It is actually. You can’t beat Bowser if you didn’t clear the stages before him.
Actually, Mario games have lots of skips.
Exploits ?
Or built in skips ? Would like an example, i’m no Mario expert, but i don’t remember of much “skips”.
I love the energy in the thread
I think though that we need to realise that running the same dungeon has gotten boring without anything new to add. We are talking about a community event, which in my eyes shouldn’t be to ‘increase player skill levels’ but simply to have fun and see who knows what they’re doing. So something which doesn’t depend on who knows each other best or who has practiced most sounds a lot more fun to me.
Running with your friends is something you should be doing in your free time already anyways, why not try something else, or someone else. People who sign up will likely not be clueless as pugs, seeing as how they have had to read this thread(which is a lot of effort for a pug)
I agree that we shouldn’t focus on increasing the skill level, and we are just looking to have fun. That being said, an increase of skill will come along with the fun part, and these could increase the number of players interested in very high end tournaments. Kind of a win/win situation
Weth, i like your last idea about gambits and the numerical value, but i think it will be very hard to get balanced.
:-\ honestly it sounds like you guys actually have a good shot at winning. The thing about recorded speed runs is they are unrealistic times to have at live events mainly because of the RNG involved and some of the strats are very risky. For what its worth, I was in a pug group with guys who were very casual at the game and we practiced like only 2-3days total for the first tournament and we did surprisingly well.
Knowing the game and following the meta doesn’t mean we are good enough to have a team able to face people like Miku, Goku, Seshii… They are on different level. We don’t create any strats, but they do. I’m not saying that it wouldn’t be fun to play with/against them but a competition means i will go all out to win. If it’s already settled, it takes the fun out.
Maybe you’re right, maybe we can still compete. Would we participate ? I’m not sure.
But the facts are, there is not enough (interested) very high end PvE players to organize some big events like the DnT tournament. If we’d like to have some high end events still, we should change things a bit to elevate semi-hardcore players to the next level. That’s why randomizing teams seems a good option to me (but it’s not the only one, and we should consider other/better ways).
And nothing stop us to have both kind of events
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Here’s my 2 cents. For a tournament like that which is done for fun, I’d have each player register individually and then according to the number of players registered, we’d have teams chosen randomly and it would be 5 / 4 / 3 man. Obviously, we would need to have a list of the people who can stream to have 1 streamer per team and maybe having some seeds so players from known guilds won’t be with each other.
That would be great to coordinate with new people. Some fun can come out of it
I like Weth and Iris ideas.
The advantage is that it’s not heavy for my actual casual playtime. I think it would ensure to have a lot more participants. I would be happy to participate to both, and i know some of my guild mates too
I’m looking forward to it !
Dont see why people have so few Ac tears dont you run those paths for gold people?
I could say the same thing about everybody not having 88k Arah tokens, but I think the reality is that I’m the crazy one for it. Same goes for you!
Please post a wallet screenshot I like to see those crazy numbers
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I wish more of the dungeon forum people see this thread.
They do
I don’t know guys, i more than often see : “pugs are jerks”, “pugs are stupid”…
Yeah, i often get pugs that don’t play very well. Doesn’t mean they are stupid or jerks, and when i teach them, i almost always get good results, and intantly the run get smoother. So why my experience differs so much than yours ? (and you know i’m a MetaLitistZerkBurger too)
Let me start by saying that I agree with your statement and share your puging experience. With that said, to answer your question:
In my opinion, the “bad/stupid pug” attitude is unjustly promoted by a bunch of frequent/popular forums users and/or streamers. They intentionally join “all welcome”, “inexperienced” and similar sorts of groups – or even start their own with similar snowflake-requirements. Then they come glee about it on the forums after it – obviously – didn’t go as smooth as it would have in an experienced and coordinated group. I cringe every time I get to read one of these “gems”.
On the other hand, there are players who know what to look for and what to avoid when dealing with the lfg-system and they make us of this knowledge in order to get mostly smooth runs. Honestly, there are plenty of very capable players out there pugging, you just have to ensure you can get them to group which each others, which takes a bit of an extra effort and good intentions of doing so.
Obviously, there are always random factors involved when it comes to pugging, but this has nothing to do with being bad or stupid. Any experienced player can quite easily deal with these sort of challenges.
Agreed, but i don’t think Jerus falls in that category
I do it every time i pug TA. And it’s almost daily (since my guildies don’t really run it, i need those tokens for the dungeonneer
) and goes perfectly well every single time.
Almost every single boss encounter that were stacked pre-FGS nerf are now pretty much doable in pugs in open field. I just drop “open field” in party chat before each encounter where stacking is now irelevant, and it goes well (sometimes we end up licking the floor, yeah, but the next try always works).
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I can’t answer for Nike, but I will say, I don’t want to see tournaments turn into jumping puzzle contests. That’s why I proposed a new set of twin rulesets, speed runs and tournament rules. Tournament being more restrictive preventing a win/loss coming down to making a single jump.
As a fan of watching these speed runs though, I do want to see what people can do when they let loose. Unrestricted simply allows too much to be competitive and interesting. Somewhere between the two opens things up to new tactics, new cool things, things I want to see done. That’s what I want to see from speed runs at this point. But, those things don’t belong in a tournament IMO.
Just like in professional fighting. The best fighter in the world may lose in a boxing match or even an MMA fight, but take the rules out and he’s an animal. The settings play a big part in things and I personally want to see what people can do at this point. I enjoy the jumping puzzles. I enjoy the IB4/meteor manipulations. I like the immob tricks. But, they’ve proven unpopular with people doing the runs, I wonder if it’s influenced by the replication within a singular time or if it’s just based on doing a speed run. In the end it’s up to what those people want to do, but all I can say is I want to see what they can do without tying their arms behind their backs.
Makes sense. Thanks for your input
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If we are talking for a PvE side :
If you are following the meta and want optimal speed, Guardian, Elementalist, Warrior and Thief are the meta classes. If you don’t care about speed/meta and want to play the way you want in this mode, every class is fine, just create your own LFG or join the LFG with no requirement.
From a PvP and WvW side :
The meta change very quickly (with the recent patchs and HoT incomming), every class has his up and low, so it will depend on the people you’ll play with. Find a guild/group of friends first, and you’ll be able to find wich one you want to pick Usually Guards/Eles/Warriors have good spots in every groups.
I’ll put this in this way : you are doing a full dungeon run (in need of money for more shinnies) including Asc Cat full run + CoE full run + CoF 1/2 + TA FWD/UP + Arah 1/2/3 + CM FullRun, every day for let’s say a week, in order to grant you 50+ gold/day.
Do you prefer 5 hours run with some randoms, or 3 hours with a full meta group for each dungeon ?
Faster the better > Time is money and often very limited, people want the most value for the time and adding factor that most have done the paths for 500+ times.
Apart from joining small/med sized guild that loves doing stuff ( where you are not just name on a rooster tab )
Create a funny lfg + “all welcome” blabla bla shows good results ^^ as long you keep what you get
(often do see meta focused people but very friendly)
Imo Both options are very good and chance to get some new names on fl that are worth keeping for future runs etc x)
I do create boths types (Meta Zerk or All Welcome) following my feeling of the moment.
I run a medium (50 actives players) guild for 8 years (that exist for more than 9 years now) with all kind of people in it, meta followers, and some more casuals so i can always find people according to my mind set. I’m not really in need for other names in my FL
But, if i want to play in meta way to achieve very fast speed because i need those shinnies, i’ll create a LFG Meta Zerk. Because the Meta allow an optimal speed (when done the right way), and it this particular case that’s what i’m looking for.
EDIT : Meta people are not necessarly jerks, you can have some good laugh with them, they are humans like every single one of us, some tend to forget that.
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