Guild Wars 2

Maybe if BG should spent more time playing and less time QQing on the forums they wouldn’t tick below 100ppt.

You guys took advantage of our rivalry with DB last week and chest thumped about it, this week it’s on.

So TW wants to fight FOO, and FOO wants to fight TW.

But FOO doesn’t like BG because they spammed rams into our keeps wasting our supply.

Not sure what that SS is supposed to prove.

Where are the 80 man BG zergs?

The Blackhole is indeed fairweather.

Killer.4709:

You know there is a lot of fighting between our servers and a lot of 2v1 QQ talk in the past present and sure to be in the future. There has also been a lot of calling out other guilds and specific players for things that are and aren’t true. One guild that has been at the center of this many times is TW because they are a great guild and aren’t afraid to tell everyone that. Now blackgate and TW have a long history but most of the population actually does admit that TW is a great guild and has respect for them. But after the events of today… frankly I just expected better from you guys, I thought you had more honor.

I understand that you wanted to keep fighting BG so you went to JQ that’s fine. But the fact that your still on JQ, in wvw, blatantly working with SOR is just sad… I thought you guys had more honor than this…

They have been wiping SoR just as much as they are wiping BG, I think your paranoia is just getting to you. They really are an indiscriminate army just killing everything in their path.

Hickeroar.9734:

Kryyg.8576:

Peetee.9406:

Sovereign.1093:

Why wait for a guild to challenge you. You should go and look for fellow travelers.

However, I do recommend that if you guys go and do GVG to control your spectators. This is a gentleman’s game outside of the normal WVW thing where opponents can be civil and hopefully be friends. Who knows, might play together in the same server in the future or something outside of the game.

If you walk into WvW you’re fair game. No kittens given about your GvGs or duels. If you want to hold hands, go PvE.

And this is why SoR has no good GvG guilds.

TW is an SoR guild and they just beat Agg, who was arguably the “guild to beat.”

They are currently on JQ and I until I see them back on SoR, I won’t believe otherwise. Indo and TW are surprisingly unpredictable, who knows maybe they will end up staying on JQ. I know they’ve been saying they are having a lot of fun over here and everyone is enjoying running with them, it wouldn’t shock me if they ended up staying.

Fun week DB and BG. Tough week. Had some great battles, was fun to fight with old allies. But overall I think it’s becoming extremely clear JQ isn’t what it used to be. We aren’t out of the count yet, but we have a lot of work and hard times ahead of us. I’m confident in our ability to pull through, but we’ll see what happens.

Peetee.9406:

Sovereign.1093:

Why wait for a guild to challenge you. You should go and look for fellow travelers.

However, I do recommend that if you guys go and do GVG to control your spectators. This is a gentleman’s game outside of the normal WVW thing where opponents can be civil and hopefully be friends. Who knows, might play together in the same server in the future or something outside of the game.

If you walk into WvW you’re fair game. No kittens given about your GvGs or duels. If you want to hold hands, go PvE.

And this is why SoR has no good GvG guilds.

From the JQ perspective, BG seems to have a zerg on all 4 maps almost 24/7 this matchup.

I don’t know whether they got new transfers in or whether it is because the matchup is different and more people are out from BG. But if nothing else, this matchup has shown that BG has the population across all time zones to compete, and the huge gaps that JQ has that we have to work on to fill.

I honestly, see no difference between BG and SoR atm. Both are zergy and both seem to beat their chests about it.

The 2nd link isn’t working for me.

Nakoor.1980:

TW vs Agg Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFFA04mkujs

TW vs Agg Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxA-pOSPJU=

Agg also has a video up of their PoV.

Those are probably some of the longest GvGs I’ve ever seen. I noticed in 2 fights, AGG actually rezzed up their fully dead guys in the fight, is that allowed in GvG?

That Blackgate spy guy is the same dude that destroyed almost 10 of our golems out of garri, just kept running them off a cliff.

Hickeroar.9734:

Strippling.3524:

Hickeroar.9734:

Evalana.5480:

This is an awesome view…

I’m guessing that that fight did not go so well for JQ… I’ve seen that [Agg] ball of torment in action… DB…I miss you guys.

There. I said it.

Actually [Agg] have been wiped many times so far this match up by BG guilds and by JQ guilds. Not putting Agg down, they are definitely very good at what they do, but there are also many other guilds that are excellent too.

By coming into our forum and stating “I’m guessing that that fight did not go so well for JQ” is only bait for flaming and QQs. There is already enough of that in this forums and it’s disgusting. So I kindly ask that you don’t write posts in our thread that will fuel the fire of hate even further in this match up… especially considering you aren’t even in this match up.

Thanks for the fights today TW, a lot of fun had.

I was speaking to the fact that JQ was spread all over the place in that shot and Agg was in their “ball of pain” formation. Agg also clearly outnumbered JQ.

In that shot…I’d put money on Agg. :P It wasn’t a troll. Just an observation.

I was there, and yes AGG did outnumber us by a lot, and they still lost the fight.

TW is probably one of the top premier WvW guilds on all of NA. I won’t lie seeing them on JQ kind of rallied the troops, BG BL which sat all blue and fully t3 since reset and quite empty quickly filled up and started turning red slowly with them in there. It was a lot of fun especially for the old JQ’ers who were there originally.

If nothing else, TW is helping to rally JQ a bit which is good for the game in general I think. Lot of the old WvWers that haven’t been active are coming out of the woodwork again just to play with them. Whether they stay a week, 2 weeks or forever, we’re happy to have them.

That being said, you should give them a break, it’s only a game.

Everyone was freaking out and pretty excited when they saw TW zone in, but then we found out they aren’t staying. We will keep trying to convert them though.

MagiKarp.8201:

Welcome TW back to T1, glad you saw sense and jumped back into a real T1 server.

Lol trolling aside, you guys really are obsessed with BG so cute, if we had your match up we’d take a break and go pve for a week, need to maintain that #1 spot yo! :P

Obsession, Infatuation, Addiction – Words to describe SoR’s relationship with BG, we have a restraining order against you this week for a reason. LEAVE BG ALONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE :P

You guys seem really upset they didn’t come to BG.

Reslinal.2359:

While I understand why TW wants to come to JQ giving the boring match SoR is having, the situation is still amusing since it gives the impression of how obsessive SoR is with BG:)

Worried? They made short work of your zerg and fully T3 Bay in BG BL.

Reslinal.2359:

Kryyg.8576:

pot.6805:

Kryyg.8576:

^^ With all the guilds that BG has gotten, you should be mopping the floor with everyone quite frankly.

BG is the most stacked and overpopulated server of all NA servers. You’ve basically merged 3 other servers into yours.

It’s a testament to JQ that we are staying competitive even though you’ve gained 15+ guilds and we’ve lost 3 in the same time.

JQ was the most stacked server since the days of HoD, winning T1 by 80k before BG came. To say you have population issues is laughable.

It’s laughable that you are trying to deny that BG is currently the most populated server in all of NA and yet you guys are still trying to recruit even more guilds to your server.

No idea why you think BG is the most populated server. WvW population wise, SoR has the most population in NA time, BG probably has most population in Oceanic/SEA time, and SoR right now has most population in EU. Server population wise, both TC, JQ, BG were full with TC and JQ being full a bit longer..BG may have received more guild transfers more recently but JQ got a huge amount of guilds when free transfer ended…

That was months ago. We are talking about now. BG IS the most populated NA server, there is no denying that.

Grithan Soulforge.5726:

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

Just let it go. I think it’s time don’t you?

Let what go? Admitting that server population matters and that server pops have changed over the last few months?

How much PvDoor do people on BG want to do this week during NA? That SoR spanks you with fewer numbers?

It takes JQ half as many numbers to stay competitive with BG, BG takes twice as many numbers to get roflstomped by SoR.

At the end of the day, I think it’s safe to say BG is all fluff.

pot.6805:

Kryyg.8576:

^^ With all the guilds that BG has gotten, you should be mopping the floor with everyone quite frankly.

BG is the most stacked and overpopulated server of all NA servers. You’ve basically merged 3 other servers into yours.

It’s a testament to JQ that we are staying competitive even though you’ve gained 15+ guilds and we’ve lost 3 in the same time.

JQ was the most stacked server since the days of HoD, winning T1 by 80k before BG came. To say you have population issues is laughable.

It’s laughable that you are trying to deny that BG is currently the most populated server in all of NA and yet you guys are still trying to recruit even more guilds to your server.

^^ With all the guilds that BG has gotten, you should be mopping the floor with everyone quite frankly.

BG is the most stacked and overpopulated server of all NA servers. You’ve basically merged 3 other servers into yours.

It’s a testament to JQ that we are staying competitive even though you’ve gained 15+ guilds and we’ve lost 3 in the same time.

lani.7431:

I’m kinda weirded out by JQ’s performance. I thought you would be alot stronger but BG is just dominating both DB and JQ.

BG is just taking advantage of the fact that we are concentrating on DB for the weekend. Look at the previous matchups and you will see that while they are the biggest of any server population wise, JQ was very close to them last match and won the previous 2.

I can’t blame them for taking advantage of a rivalry to max out their points, but as far as a BG v JQ, both servers are pretty even on the field with BG having the overall population advantage.

GL HF all!!

Don’t compare JQ to BG, our two servers are nothing alike.

It’s amusing how BG is doing blackouts to get even more guilds.

I mean they are the first server to cry when they lose, first server to gloat when they win, but the last server to try and help balance a tier.

I think it’s pretty safe to say, that you do not need more guilds, just organization. Try doing the right thing and sending your potential recruits to the server that does need them(JQ). At least, SoR refuses transfers and sends them both our way, BG on the other hand cares only about winning it seems and over-stacking their server.

Agreed, first server to get EU should be JQ. Then start at the top again and filter out.

The EU guilds moving over should balance themselves out imo. Imagine how much fun it would be.

sigh, another bs sor 400+ ppt night?

Do you dudes ever log off?

Israel.7056:

Kryyg.8576:

You got us all curious now, what does that even mean?

There seems to be a widely held set of beliefs about what is the right way to play this game and it seems like many of them won’t diverge from those beliefs even if it means they might lose.

Like I’ve heard many of the say on TS that they won’t help guilds transfer over for example. A lot of them talk about balancing the tier out instead of dominating it.

I’ve even heard some of the guild leaders say that they’ve turned away guilds that were interested in transferring just because they thought it might unbalance the tier.

I never really heard anyone on BG get overly concerned about that sort of thing.

I also don’t see as many guilds put in big overtime like I did on BG.

Israel.7056:

pot.6805:

LOL! You got all of the SoR talking points into one propaganda post, so hilarious.

I never said that I thought any of that stuff was good I’m just saying that I’ve found it to be legit. They appear to practice what they preach.

Interesting perspective. And if it is true, impressive if they’ve got the entire server all on the same page. How that is even possible I don’t know though, so many different players and guilds.

Israel.7056:

Reslinal.2359:

Interesting, what do you think are the biggest differences? I always imagine SoR is more militaristic.

Well one of the big differences is the focus on building a really tight knit community.

The word militaristic might fit but I’d probably use the word idealistic.

You got us all curious now, what does that even mean?

Jahn.7019:

Liquid.9672:

Jahn.7019:

Sounds like a core problem within BG. I agree with the poster above that BG probably has absorbed a lot, if not the most, wvw orientated guilds of the 3 servers yet their performance does not show. It seems that the entire atmosphere of BG is toxic. You need a strong leader to step up to re-organize the server or the current active wvw guilds should start over somewhere else to be quite frank. It’s obvious the current “eat up as many servers/guilds as possible and we’ll be ok” strategy isn’t working for BG.

That being said, if it requires a 2v1 against SoR, then it requires a 2v1 against SoR. I think most Rallians are used to being the underdog by nature, so a 2v1 would bring that back for them since that’s where they thrive.

The atmosphere isn’t toxic at all. We have some kinks to work out with communication on our new TS setup, but other than that the environment is as friendly and organized as it can be. Sure there are frustrations at times, but I don’t believe any server is immune to that and it’s perfectly normal.

Why player activity dropped for certain guilds that transferred to the server is anyone’s guess. My personal feelings on the matter is some of those guilds were already hurting, and some players just wanted a last hoorah with a T1 victory before calling it quits on the game. The players that remain have been reorganizing and rebuilding their rosters, but that takes time. In the meantime, the core is still there doing our thing and leadership is still strong and doing their thing. But on many days and certain times we simply haven’t been able to sustain the same numbers in WvW as SoR.

You’ve picked up BT from FA, a massive NA guild, and you’re also getting XF from KN, a decent sized OC/SEA guild.

BG now has:

NA: KnT, ICOA, BT, RISE, GOF, ATAC, PRO, RIOT, RUIN, WORK, RESO, OnS
OC: MERC, LOTD, MEOW, NOC, URGE, XF
AZ: THAI, ND, ND, WM, JL, NBB
EURO: HB, RK

This list doesn’t even include all the smaller/medium sized guilds BG has.

How much more could BG possibly need to eat up to be competitive. You have without question the most WvW guilds of anyone in T1.

Are you sure this list accurate? I knew BG had a ton of people but I never realized they had so many WvW guilds as well. Their performance doesn’t match their population/coverage then, which is very odd, they should be dominating T1 right now with what they got.

I really don’t understand. BG gets all these WvW guilds to transfer to their server, then they just give up and don’t fight.

You guys do realize you probably have more WvW guilds than both the other servers combined right?

I really do not understand how such a stacked server can give up so easily.

The stability JQ has to offer is unmatched by any other server. Our community is strong and established. There is no gamble with JQ, you are assured a good environment to play in for the rest of your GW2 days.

Honestly, your decision is easy if the health and future of your guild are important to you guys.

JQ is a mature server that is well respected by even its enemies. I know you’ve already talked to a couple of our server leaders, but you don’t even have to take it from us, go look at our recruitment thread, even our enemies post in our support. We have a lot going for us, come make us stronger with your presence.

Hoots.9564:

fade.8603:

Watching is different from participation, you should know that preparing a gvg requires time and effort to get to form your team. Need everyone to be traited properly and geared properly. Thats where all the theory crafting comes in, some people love to experiment build synergies but this will take a lot of time to test.

For [TW] at least, we kinda just show up for the GvG’s with what we have online and skip all the technical schizzle bizzle. But that is how Indo developed TW to be.

I find that hard to believe considering Indo’s history. And when he played on JQ, he was literally JQ’s first commander pin and was considered to be one of the best strategists by the community at large back then. I call BS if you are saying you guys just “show up” for GvGs.

It’s no coincidence that each of the server’s largest guilds came out and said they have no interest in GvG.

Just think about it practically, they run on the field with 40-50+ people, the talent pool is diluted and they compensate with numbers. To have to break that down to 20-25 people and get out there and fight on even grounds would be kitten near difficult.

I’m not knocking those guilds because I think they are great at what they do, but to expect a zerg guild to go and do GvG is absurd. Their guilds weren’t built for that. But I bet if you both started at the same time in a BL and said who could get garri first, and you had the WvW guild v the GvG guild, guarantee you the WvW guild will take the garri before the GvG guild.

Tidbit.9352:

Someone said it was raining upstairs.

So I had to check it out.

Hey what do you know it was raining.

Wow, that is silly.

Pvp.2758:

IRSyKo.5843:

Jahn.7019:

TIMMEH.8106:

we have like 100 members tagged…..we really aren’t that large.

You should still GvG them, want me to ask them to get in touch?

BT has no interest in GvG,

Appreciate the offer though.

We understand if you do not wish to be embarrassed.

Doubt it has anything to do with that. Fact of the matter is, most zerg guilds don’t GvG. I’d guess it’s because that majority of their performance is based on running with a lot of people. From what I’ve seen of BT, they run a huge zerg and I bet their group synergy is revolved around those 40-50 people. I’ve never seen them in anything close to 20 people or less so I think it’s safe to say that their style of play is just mass zerging things over.

Running that many and then doing a 20v20/25v25 is two totally different types of gameplay. You can be good at one and not the other, very few guilds if any, are good at both.

TIMMEH.8106:

We are having a blast, Some of the fights tonight have been UNREAL.

Your zergs are pretty unreal, what do you guys run around with 50-60 BT?

Killer.4709:

scootshoot.6583:

Killer.4709:

Kryyg.8576:

It’s rank 3 in the US, rank 12 in the world for all TSs. I believe that’s how it reads.

JQ’s TS used to be pretty busy too back in the day.

saying by members of SOR that BG is stacked and if my info is correct this #2 or 3 spot thing is no new development.

You can probably answer your own question. Is there any T1 server besides BG that has had the amount of WVW guilds join them in the past month? MEOW, THAI, WM, BT, RISE, etc. I know am forgetting at least several more. All these guilds transferred specifically for WvW.

In other words I believe the perception BG is stacked is based upon the frequency of WvW guild transfers your server seems to get every week. Also your server status seems to state “Full” 24/7 so kudos to you guys for being able to add as much WvW guild transfers at the rate you do.

Who cares how many people transfer. Any good wvw player knows a person in voice chat is worth at least 5 people not in voice chat. what I mean by this is these people transferring mean nothing if they don’t come in voice chat and if SOR is still the most used ts and according to Indo it is a pure wvw ts( or at least he used that as a reason to ban cuddles) that would mean that you still have more coordinated people in wvw. So the reason for our full status is a stupid thing to base wvw players on considering they could be anything from a pug in wvw to pve players to randoms standing in LA.

In conclusions SOR’s coordinated force has been larger than bg for as long as they have been on that ranking and I don’t want to see anyone deny it until proof is given cause I’m tired of this he said she said bull kitten that seems to be plaguing the forums. I’m giving reasoning for my conclusions let’s see some given back.

It’s just a game man, relax and enjoy.

It’s rank 3 in the US, rank 12 in the world for all TSs. I believe that’s how it reads.

JQ’s TS used to be pretty busy too back in the day.

Grithan Soulforge.5726:

zKarp.6048:

JQ must do P90x on fridays because they, Bring it!

They hate it, but they love it!

JQ has obviously been re-energized by the new match up. What a great change of pace.

Agreed, keep it up JQ!!!

Renny.6571:

SykkoB.9465:

same can be said about baseless claims of 2v1 just saying yet bg calls 2v1 almost every matchup

The timing is too right to be coincidence! But no, you’re right. It’s totally just a coincidence. Go ahead and remain naive.

Why does BG always try to justify stuff. Just say what we are all saying, it sucks it is happening SoR, none of the legitimate players would want that to happen. It’s probably some kitten. End story.

How many guilds is BG going to eat. NOM NOM NOM.

EU resets earlier than NA.

Pixels.6532:

XIII.6351:

I guess its time to part ways for the last T1 pillars.( Reminds me of pokemon where the 3 legendary dogs moved out.)
It’s been a blast fighting BG and JQ, even though its the same ol matchup we’ve had for months, everyone from all servers still go out there and give a fight.

Good luck to us 3 tyrants for the next matchup. Keep fighting and give your opponents a hell of a fight!

Cheers

As far as I know, we’ll be stuck with eacth other next week too. Or did something just change?

Anet just posted 30min ago, they are going to implement the new system after all. Just no new leaderboards yet.

Tarkus.4109:

I really want a DB/JQ/BG matchup and see who would get double teamed

Long as we don’t get put against SoR again I am happy.

DB/JQ/BG sounds nice.

Just make sure the matchups are all different now lol, even if you have to manually adjust for this week.

YAY ANET!!!

THANK YOU ANET!!!!

Please fix this bug asap.

Honestly, I think BG is probably the most overpopulated server of the current T1. Their zergs are massive and non-stop. The problem BG has in my opinion is that their player base is very fickle and fairweather. Compile that with the fact that the overall skill cap of their organized guilds seem pretty average at best, you could have a ton of players(which BG does), they just aren’t very good or organized. They seem happy just recruiting mass number of guilds to their server every few weeks to sustain them in T1.

SoR, while not a large server(population wise), seems to be the most organized of T1 and probably currently has the highest skill cap. I don’t think they need or want more players from what I’ve read. They seem content being the smallest server and their forum trolls let us know that every 3rd post. Personally, I think that will bite them in the kitten in the end if they have an elitist type of attitude for their server and aren’t actively recruiting, but they seem happy, so to each their own.

JQ has good organization and good overall skill cap, our problem is we are just lacking 1 or 2 more organized NA guilds and we are back to full strength. RE would be a huge asset and very welcome to JQ. You should come and talk to our leadership and see what we are about. The support from the server and challenge from our enemies you would receive really makes you guys a perfect fit. Get in touch with Jedbacca or Ben Sheets, both are great guys and can really tell you more about JQ. It really is a great community and as you know, the longest lasting in T1(which in itself speaks volumes).

Honestly, it depends what your guild is looking for.

If you want to be a balancer come to JQ.
If you want to be a builder go to DB.

I would not suggest SoR, BG, or TC. All those servers have full NA maps across the board.

Your choice is really easy, do you want to bump DB to “T1” or do you want to keep JQ in “T1”. Wherever you go, the above will happen.