Not lookin good. JQ has always had a strong reset night / weekend force and as such if they get buried going into Monday their server will be demoralized and will turn into a 2 horse race early.
Thats not true at all. The leader of the weekend has changed regularly. The problem is, BG is already playing for second.
This x 100. BG isn’t even hitting SoR, they are purely on JQ.
JQ has a bad habit of just abandoning the BL after a few wipes.
Are you dumb? So what we left. And so what we dropped siege every fight, we are going to be tactical, we aren’t going to just rush in and face smash against you guys. We will drop 10 ACs on your head every engagement if it benefits us. And yes we had a lot of ppl, but so did you.
Good fights either way, we enjoyed ourselves that’s for sure.
If JQ will get their heads out of their kitten we can still win this.
We have tons of ppl on but they’d rather whine and complain in LA rather than actually get out there and fight.
And the lame kitten BG trolls in LA isn’t helping, get your server in line, it’s dumb that you guys feel the need to come into our LA and try to demoralize us more.
If you guy’s truly wanna know why JQ gave up a 17k lead here it is. JQ as a whole has gotten bored of the repetitive wvw match up that we have now since the match up hasn’t changed much in a long time. (Guest in JQ la and ask this is the answer that you will get) Overall JQ is tired of wvw after weekend hype and a large lead and says lets go do something else that we havn’t been doing for months on end. JQ will continue to slack off until something new is added to wvw but until then have fun bg with first then maybe you guys will feel the same after a bit too.
This x 100.
Quite frankly, the game is boring. JQ is the #1 server in the history of the game. You can’t blame us that we want to take it easy and just relax on our luarrels and play other games. There’s no challenge left in GW2 for JQ as a server, we’ve fought the best and been the best.
Let’s be honest, here’s what happened. WM/MEOW/etc transferred to BG and started fighting NA/OC/AZ timezone and got wrecked. Jang and co seeing they couldn’t compete changed their schedules and started logging in en masse for EU TZ which was dead for the other 2 servers.
Whatever may come out of Jang’s mouth, 2 things are clear: 1. WM isn’t in it for the “challenge”. and 2. They don’t have the chops for T1 combat.
Score update 12:18pm est. BG struggling to remain above 100ppt, must be tired from all that try-hard the week before.
They are probably just taking a break, their commanders and players pulled 25+ hours shifts last week like that guy was saying in the last thread. They deserve the break(if that’s what it is), though, to be fair with the amount of transfers BG has gotten, that is worrysome ppt either way. NA prime at lowest should be around 150ppt on a NA server.
Whoa whoa whoa. SoR complaining about transfers to other servers but not their own? Please stop the accusations! Everyone knows that the transfers to JQ and BG are all bandwagoners but those to SoR are “building the server right”. You can’t even compare.
Besides, SoR never buys guilds like other servers. That gold that was put together to help their new servermates transfer? Those were just “donations”. Completely different thing!
I know right?
As someone from SoR said a few weeks back,
SoS guilds to BG -> Bandwaggoners
SoS guilds to SoR -> True WvW guilds of SoS
If you ask any sensible SoR member, everyone will agree that we have gotten transfers, and we’re quite thankful for it. All of our friends in TSYM, AFS, HIRE and so on (I can’t recall everyone off the top of my head, I’m sorry! ) are valued members of our community and WvW strategy. I think the idea of bandwagoning simply comes from the volume of transfers; when SoS disbanded, Blackgate got what was perceived to be a much larger influx of guilds than SoR, hence the “stacking” accusations and whatnot. You cannot deny that your WvW capacity spiked as a result. Similarly with Kaineng, Blackgate received multiple guilds in one go, while SoR has received a number of guilds over the last few weeks in a more spread out manner. The difference is simply whether your WvW population increases in spikes, or incrementally.
As far as SoR donating gold: I listen in to our weekly WvW strategy meetings on TS, and the one thing that gets repeated and stressed every week is that we will not offer gold to other guilds. Should they choose to come over, we will be glad to run dungeons and help other guilds farm for gold, and I’m pretty sure we would also have folks who simply donated gold. However, I think that on principle, this is different from “buying” guilds. I’m sure we can accommodate transferring the last remaining members or whatnot, but we wouldn’t simply say “we’ll give you X gold to transfer,” nor would we meet demands of that nature. Our belief is that you should come to SoR because you want to be here, and if you aren’t willing to put in the time (to acquire gold) to immigrate over, then I’m not so sure how strong your commitment is.
BG -> 2 Major guilds (MERC, ND) and AoI (a combination of small guids)
SoR -> 2 Major guilds (TSym, AFS) and OCX (PvX guild)
So what difference does it make ??
And in the same way that you say that you help other guilds transferring by running dungeons to help some members to come, every other server does the same as well. So basically, BG has done nothing different from the almighty SoR and yet they have to take kitten from your forum warriors week after week. KN choosing us was totally from their side and it would probably have to do with the excellent relations BG had with TC & KN. I wasn’t there when SoR was T2 but if this is the way SoR used to deal with the match threads and PR, are you honestly surprised that KN chose us ?? And in the rare event that BG implodes, do you think any of us would ever consider going to your server because of all this ?? Same with the KN guilds, think about it.
BG got ND,MERC, FOE, AGG all in one go…. FOE and AGG jumped ship however….
Didn’t BG also get ATAC, Work, etc and all the other small/med WvW guilds from SoS as well?
I was like you once. I thought it would never happen to my server, we have a proud history, we are not fair weather, we always fight hard when behind and can handle losing etc etc
The problem is that once a server reaches the top and has tasted the large amount of victories, it becomes corrupt and is more susceptible than ever to collapse. Like a poisoned chalice.
What do HoD, SBI and SoS all have in common? They were the 3 most successful servers in tier 1.
Who succeeded them? Jade Quarry.
Is Jade Quarry immune to collapse? Prior to their success you would say yes, afterwards, I’m not so sure.
The majority of the loyal guilds and players who have been there from day dot, and have been there through the hard times have left SBI and SoS within a short timeframe, the same can happen to JQ or any other server and SoS proved it can still happen after the end of free transfers.
Apparently you don’t understand the history of T1 very well my friend, Understandable, but don’t come on here and post regarding things that you know nothing about.
Do you know what happened right after the HoD collapse? Guess what? JQ took the throne, JQ was in the top spot for some time after HoD’s fall, a few weeks if I recall correctly. After that, there were innumerable cries of “Stacking” and “WvW Stagnation”, much like what we see today. Then, a couple weeks later, the newly revitalized SBI, shot back up and took our top spot from us for another 4 or 5 very competitive weeks. At the end of which, JQ managed to beat SBI, only to witness the rise of SoS. SoS was the dominant server for around 10 weeks, something that i’m sure you will remember.
My point to all this is to let you know that JQ has been at the top, we have experience with both success and failure in T1, and almost nothing has changed. Not to say that our community is somehow stronger or better than any other server, but there is something that just keeps Jade Quarrians playing. I for one, have the utmost confidence that JQ will not collapse. We may have many outspoken forum warriors that pop up when we win, and die away when we are losing, but the core that makes us JQ will always be there.
I know exactly what happened, I don’t really want to argue semantics , but JQ didn’t have a period of dominance, they won 2 weeks in a row after HoD and ET collapsed and 1 of those wins was against 2 dying servers which is not on the same level of dominance as the other 3 servers I mentioned.
But now after JQ’s recent 3 months, they have set the records, and once you’ve done that you cannot handle defeat in the same way that you used to.
Most JQ players are now used to winning without even trying, if things get rough there could be a chain reaction and it won’t be for the first time. JQ has already lost the core of the 2 strongest guilds that underpinned the success of JQ, remove the foundations of any structure, no matter how big and it will start to wobble.
I have no idea what’s going to happen, JQ could win the next 5 weeks straight and stabilise themselves, or the whole thing could come crashing down, it’s uncertain. No server is immune to it, no matter what you tell yourself.
LOL, JQ is fine. I’d worry more about your own server. BG has the population now more than any of the other 3 but the only way you guys can win it seems is from most of your guys playing 25+ hours at a time. You may dominate the other servers in coverage but as far as skill goes, you guys need a lot more help still.
Guilds transfer to BG to die it seems, no guild has gone to BG and gotten stronger, they all lose their playerbase and then quit the game.
BG is a black hole for guilds, good thing they have a never ending supply of gold to keep buying new guilds to come over.
You should have just kept in the ability to increase the AC’s through Wexp and not buffed them statically as well.
To do both is what messed everything up.
Secondly, AC’s should not be the one stop shop against rams and golems. Ram/golem resistance needs to increase against ACs, decrease against cannons, ballistas and trebuchets.
You are ticking at 500ppt, obviously we aren’t around. Less chest thumping, enjoy your win, but you took advantage of some internal re-organization along with a lot of overplaying on your part. I mean from the SS’s your oceanic crew is still on. That’s just silly, it’s coming close to a 18 hour day for some BG.
Your entire asian crew is still on as well. We are well into Euro, almost to NA in a couple hours.
Queue this up as another fairly non-issue that will be complained about endlessly.
And I hope everyone with their personal solutions realize if they were implemented, there would be a new group of you on this site to complain about that.
This will allow smaller mans to fight large groups.
If everything is equal, a larger group should take down a smaller group. Everyone complaining wants everything to be equal and balanced so that no advantage can be acquired whatsoever, but small groups should be able to defeat large groups given the same skill?
That makes no sense.
Obviously if it’s a small group v a large group and they have the “same skill” the large group wins. Common sense ftw.
This change would allow small groups to be competitive against large groups and allow the skilled small groups to beat unorganized large groups.
So what if BG keeps doling out the gold to buy guilds. Why should anyone else care? That’s their business.
While I agree with you with the assessment that guilds seem to die off when they go to BG not get stronger, that’s their choice, once again their business.
Bottom line, SoR should worry about SoR. BG is in the position of advantage with the new transfers, lets see what they do with it.
Well if KN is breaking up then T1 servers do need you.
If you’re looking for competition and want to balance out the servers then you should follow the advice. If you have a different agenda then obviously do what you want, but if we can get a balanced T1 the game will be fun for everyone so try to do what you can to be responsible in your transfers.
In essence both BG and SoR need help to fight us, SoR is strongest during NA and weakest during SEA. BG is the opposite, strongest during SEA and weakest during NA.
If you are a NA guild, I suggest BG.
If you are a SEA guild, I suggest SoR.
Either way, don’t come to JQ, our queues are terrible as is and there needs to be balance in the tier for longevity of the game.
You do realize that the match is over. That FOO logged two hours ago and that no matter what you tick the match is literally over. I guess we can keep reiterating this fact but if you want to push so hard go for it.
And I find it perplexing that someone would quit playing because of a number. Are we not here for combat? But it does seem to be common, guess Rallians are a bit odd in this.
Or it’s simply the fact those of us who play during these timezone’s are doing other stuff with our guilds and having fun and while WvW is fun for fights sometimes you need days to have a break and today is one of those days. This is especially true considering the new reset time.
Stei is right, SoR does this every week for some reason. On Thursday, you guys push so hard even though the match has already been decided. Why don’t you guys try doing this earlier in the matchup instead? It might actually help you try for first? Just saying…
I was there for most of the fights. Waha challenged Indo to a GvG, and FOO was like 70 deep, Indo told us TW doesn’t have a lot of people so they would come in with FEAR.
The entire JQ side was basically FOO and 10 pugs and I think most of the SoR side was split with TW and FEAR. Later on in the day, most of us were asked to leave the BL by FOO so they could get more of their guildies in, I can only assume the last fights were all FOO.
BG was kicked fully out of the map so it was a 1v1.
Was a fun day and everyone on JQ and SoR seems to have enjoyed it since Waha has planned another one.
I find it amusing that people who were chased away from NA T1 are now coming back here to give us their 2 cents like we’d care about their opinion. Only people who’s opinion matters is JQ and SoR guys who participated in the fight or who will participate in future fights.
There you go, while I don’t disagree with you that we may have slightly more of a SEA population. I don’t think it’s fair to discredit the amount of organization and leadership WAHA has put in to our morning crew for it to get to where it has.
You listed two asian guilds that are never on during NA prime, SAHP and SSQ. SiN I’ve never seen field more than 5-10, HIRE is rarely in force outside Oceanic hours, Hal should be Hel, PLUM fields like…five people on a good day, maybe if you replace them with HL, I don’t think HL runs 30 tho, GSCH does not come every night but they do normally come in a larger force.
Some of the other guilds numbers you say seem a bit off too. Oh and this comes from probably one of the most active people on SoR.
I agree, our SEA fights hard everyday, I love the mornings when I am able to run with FOO. Waha really is committed to just dominating our enemies regardless of the score. Our other timezone leaders could learn a lot from his example. If we operated more like our SEA guilds, our maps would probably be green almost 24/7.
Yeah, it must be hard when you have a massive zerg, one of the other sides is slowly dying, and the other doesn’t have the same amount of SEA as you. Don’t you dare down talk your other leaders, they try hard to get points. They actually have to fight things for PPT.
Are you trying to say only reason our SEA performs is because they are un-opposed? If so, that is wrong and you know it. Our SEA is probably the most organized of any server and that’s the reason we win that time slot.
I agree, our SEA fights hard everyday, I love the mornings when I am able to run with FOO. Waha really is committed to just dominating our enemies regardless of the score. Our other timezone leaders could learn a lot from his example. If we operated more like our SEA guilds, our maps would probably be green almost 24/7.
I think there has been one night I can remember when we had 60 TSym out on the field on a given night, and that was a LONG time ago. Its pretty rare. We average around 40-50 on primetime at best. I know cause I stack and count supply and players quite a bit.
Its just a rough list on what we’ve seen the past few weeks
I don’t think that’s fair to discount all the JQ guilds that go out there every night and fight hard. We have just as many if not more guilds than SoR for NA primetime and we stick it to them when we can. I don’t even believe there is a huge skill discrepancy(with a couple guild exceptions) overall between the 2 servers, what I do believe JQ suffers from is disorganization, our guilds are too fragmented, there’s too much ego, lot of times I’ve seen particular guilds zone into a BL and demand the other guilds leave to make room for their guildies. There’s too much “ME” on our server and not enough “WE”.
How many times have BG held the green team spot in t1? Only thing that matters to me too bad Smokee couldn’t carry BG for any longer. Maybe Vodka and the mighty ICOA can take his place! (lol)
Also I enjoy vodka’s troll posts lately they keep us entertained on SoR, keep em coming!
Yeah, no one on JQ would do this quite frankly, it’s not our style. We aren’t petty in our wins or our losses.
Forget the fact that JQ doesn’t need to do anything shady to win.
Quite frankly, there’s only 1 server in this tier that has historically done this kind of stuff both in game and out.
The sooner they get booted out of the tier the better as far as I’m concerned. This morning, someone spammed rams again while BG was attacking us. Drained us in less than 30 minutes. It’s getting old and tiresome.
I’m sure MERC can handle themselves. When they went hard last week and ticked 500+ PPT during their primetime
No culling fix last week just sayin
Believe me the 45 man JQ zergs on all maps in SEA culled as well. Plus a lot of our commanders have RL stuff going on right now, so were largely MIA all week. Not using it as an excuse, but just as an explanation at the sudden drop off. Plus, it woul be nice to fight JQ on open field for once because the only guild that does that is FoO. All of the rest of the guild will only engage you if they run in a much larger zerg than yours and I just find it hilarious that we would full cap BG bl with the exception of hills and the entire non-outmanned JQ force would sit in hills waiting for a chance to PvD because you don’t join JQ for the PvP.
JQ cannot argue from the standpoint of having lack of numbers, the only issue is that all of the engagements we’ve had ended in JQ running. Must be fun to spend your entire night sitting on a battlement spamming 1 right?
We play tactically depending on the forces we have, we aren’t going to crash our 10-15 players into your 50+man zerg.
Though must be fun getting paid to bandwagon to another server only to lose again right?
It wasn’t even a handful, it was at least a dozen MERC dancing around taunting and shouting disrespects.
Far as I’m concerned, BG doesn’t have what it takes to be a server of character and be a true winner(in every sense of the word).
Take some notes from us maybe, be a respectful and humble winner like us honey badgers and you might get some respect in return, until then, reap what you sow.
And one last thing, to be that disrespectful when we all know, the ram incidents played a huge role in your win just shows how far you guys will go for your win and what your true characters are once you get the “win”.
Whats up with all the taunting by BG players on a defeats ? Ive been laughed at, danced on, slept on, and on occasionally left their bleeding as the BG Invader emotes me till I die. It’s like BG amateur hour out there now and far more closer to the 1st time BG entered T1 than the more laid back BG that was here last time in t1.
People do it on all sides and it’s always pugs doing it.
Yeah probably. It’s usually players that only participate in WvW when a server is winning, and are basically saying “haha we’re in T1 and winning you’re bad neener” or something along those lines. All servers have the sort, and they usually go away when losing. Humans are usually mean by nature … we have to learn to be nice.
I agree, that’s one thing that makes me proud that I play on JQ. I’ve seen spam laughs from a lot of BG and even from some SoR. It’s really unsportsmanlike. Only emotes I see from our JQ guys are usually beckons, cheers and salutes.
We really don’t have to be mean spirited about the competition, after all it’s only a game, and laughing and dancing on corpses is pretty low.
) are valued members of our community and WvW strategy. I think the idea of bandwagoning simply comes from the volume of transfers; when SoS disbanded, Blackgate got what was perceived to be a much larger influx of guilds than SoR, hence the “stacking” accusations and whatnot. You cannot deny that your WvW capacity spiked as a result. Similarly with Kaineng, Blackgate received multiple guilds in one go, while SoR has received a number of guilds over the last few weeks in a more spread out manner. The difference is simply whether your WvW population increases in spikes, or incrementally.
