Guild Wars 2

Achievements or some way to obtain through wvw please. :x

Agreed, sent a mail to anet about it. Recieved two infractions in a single thread with tons of offensive posts in it that didn’t get removed. It’s all backward. :/

I agree partly with OP, quickness is broken and needs to be nerfed if not preferably removed completely since it’s causing a lot of issues. On the other hand it would be unfair to nerf steal which imo is already quite boring and lacking for something that should help defining a class.

Sounds fun, Ima try that. :>

Kronos.4876:

Funny how every single patch was another ‘breakpoint’ for you guys. First the devblog, which didnt come out for ages, then the ’balance’patch and now this. Wondering how many people really leave the game after they didnt get what they want, because by that logic, no one should be playing right now.

Quote me on it then, never stated anything like it before. Look at EVE Online if you wish to see how it can affect the game world (jita protests where several thousand players unsubbed).

I’ve had way less problem with BS thieves than I have with 100b warriors, If I spot a thief I simply retreat and anticipate when they are going to reach me so I can roll and be ready for a stunbreak. if they miss their cloak and dagger they lost a lot of initiative + their elite most likely at that point just drop aoes if they stealth otherwise just mash them to pieces before they have time to execute another combo.

For me this patch will be make or break also unless they announce another for early Dec dedicated to PVP. Imo the lack of info is quite sad, I think this will be a minor patch out of many needed for PVP.

Sky.9347:

tOss.9024:

TheGuy.3568:

tOss.9024:

Sky.9347:

tOss.9024:

TheGuy.3568:

Its OP what else can be said. Same bs we have seen in every mmo since the start. We can argue here on how to counter, and how only good players can counter this, and regale each other in stories about how good we each are, and how great we are at countering the BS. That doesn’t change the fact its OP bullkitten now does it?

I love my P/D thief and blah blah I’m so good in pvp with it. Fact is if you use stealth than burst is a no no and if you have burst stealth should be a no no. I find it funny that the mmo that has seen the most amount of attention to detail and design in the last 5 years has failed to realize rule number one. Nerf the invisibility, burst, and/or stun lock in beta.

Say the OP sucks maybe hes not a good pvper it doesn’t change the fact that so many run this same kitteny build and everyone acts like they don’t know why. I scoff at any attempt to defend this. The quicker we get this nerf over with the quicker we get back to demanding the bugs be fixed and that the classes that actually need help get it.

There are tons of classes in other mmos with stealth and burst, usually the stealth helps them survive and get close enough to do their burst because they melt when you focus them. (this holds true here in gw2 as well)
And, if you can come up with many ways to counter it how exactly is it OP? Overpowered means unbeatable, uncounterable, if it meant anything less the word Over would be different. The word overpowered as gotten thrown around so much in recent years that its used to describe “somewhat tough to beat.”

But that isn’t true, because GW2 has Dodge. A well timed (or lucky) dodge can negate ANY amount of damage.

If we used your reasoning, the simple fact that dodging existed would mean it was technically impossible for anything to ever be too strong.

I said if there are several ways to counter it, not only if you could dodge it. Backstab can be countered with protection, gearing, other forms of damage mitigation, dodge, general situational awareness, distance gaining abilities+heal, there are a lot of options. The fact that dodge exists simply makes it even easier to deal with front loaded damage, it doesn’t harm balance.
Instead of picking at an argument to spin something your way, perhaps it’s best to read a post in it’s entirety and think critically before responding.

Like I said in OP….you know what why rehash this in a years time well be having this same conversation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URQE8aGSSCU

Like I have said before it’s just history.

There are a lot of fundamental differences between a rogue and thief, and between WoW and Guild Wars in regards to balance.
Edit to respond to yours: One backstab build vs. every other? I’m not sure what you mean here, please elaborate. Backstab, if this is what you’re implying, is not successful against every build. Just because you, and some others, are having trouble countering the build doesn’t mean the people don’t “get it.” It simply means that some don’t have problems with it, and they are trying to explain why they don’t. The main issue here, in my opinion, is people sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling, “lalalala it’s op, I’m right you’re wrong lalalalaicanthearyou.”

The same could be said of the other side in the debate.

Just because there are ways to avoid being instantly killed, doesn’t mean such massive burst capability is good for the game

Reread that sentence please, so that you can understand the gravity of this situation.

So explain to me why the thief burst is not ok while other classes burst is? 100b cool yes?

Imperator totius Sylvari.9164:

A great song, well done Gintoki,

As for WvW the crit damage is the problem…. 114% is insane, but balance should not be done through WvW, and the ability to down you in 2 seconds is not only reserved to thiefs.

wait… how do you reach 114% crt dmg? O.o
I can only reach 104%…

I switched to glass cannon thief from cond damage one prior to all nerfs because I got tired of being the kittened guy and now I got 1990 armor, highest backstab crit I took was ~8000 while highest damage I took from 100b was well… instant death from 13k hp essentially being unable to do anything about it. I don’t see why one thing is okay and the other isn’t. Confusing really.
However the game is still young and sooner or later they will fix the classes or I’ll simply reroll. lol

Wow I really didn’t think anyone liked twilight over sunrise… O.o

No, this game is too easy already.

I play most my characters female human because I think they look good and they are quite small in size which wont get in my way during jumping puzzles. Prior to that I made a male asura which really pissed me off since I barely could see the armor.

Reason to making female over male is just because I prefer the look of females, I don’t really identify myself with my character in games anyway so why would I pick a male?

Josh Foreman.8250:

Aurelian Omenkind.2470:

Tried 4 or 5 times, then said “nope, I’m’a farm some more candy corns.” Been happy since.

When I made this map I was HOPING that people who aren’t into jumping would do exactly this. They’d see a fun Halloween looking environment, maybe get to the first chest and snag a goodie, then be on their merry way. I see now it was a mistake to make the hardest jumping challenge in the game part of an in-your-face update like a holiday event. I’m not going to stop making difficult stuff like this, they just won’t be so prominent in the future. I honestly hate making people upset and have a very high level of empathy. So it’s been hard hearing all the people that are so angry, frustrated and sad because of something I’ve made. But it’s just another lesson learned.

Wow come on you can’t do that! :S
This was one of the funniest things I’ve done in game up to now… At least make some hard content for us who enjoy it, the game is very casual and forgiving in every other aspect.

Yepp that is what me and most of my mates are missing in this game, open world pvp servers where you can see the nicks of your enemies as well as talking to them etc. Right now you are just another enemy in the zerg at WVW and it pisses me off. I constantly go back to EVE when trying to play GW2 because this game lacks in the PVP department that many of us actually do enjoy. Either way, having separate PVP servers would be great IMO and I would immediately emigrate there.

That looks very much like the same build I run Judas, sadly I gotta say it’s quite hard to kill people off before they get away.

Exactly, let your stealth expire and use indirect damage while in stealth only then try to put some out while out of it and enter again. Extremely funny seeing a group of people trying to hit you and running around on your caltrops.

It doesn’t need more damage but rather I’d like to see 1 less initiative to use it, its eating quite a lot (imo).

@Dronin I agree about that.

@Flamu, hi fellow tribes player! :>

I’d rather have it so I can infiltrate the base in some way (infiltrators arrow?) than having to retort to long ranged combat for a class I kinda feel is ill fit for it.

Sorry but ‘assassin’ like should be commoners clothes, point of an assassin is to not be seen/recognized as a threat you know. ;p

Very nice post, I scored 8 points so far. ^^
However in the first post you have 2 questions listed as “3)”. :p

I wanted open world pvp, people told me to gokittenaround in the wvw so I did, now other people tell me to stop derping around in their wvw what shall I do?

Need moar topicz!

EDIT: Honestly though, isn’t there another topic where this could be posted?

Screenshot and post on the forum, I’ve had a lack of tears since I started playing GW2. They were plenty easier to farm in EVE.

VS simply don’t want to have a change in this, I don’t know why but everyone can stop arguing already and just simply wait for anet to fix this as it will kill WVW sooner or later really.

Wolfe.3097:

Korochun.5862:

Stealth mechanics are pretty bad. If I could have ten copper for every thief I killed by nailing them with a full Unload long after they stealthed, I’d be a very rich man in GW2. It is far less effective as a defensive tool compared to well-timed dodges, plus it does little to enhance your mobility, which I personally feel is key for a thief.

im wondering if this is a lag issue, simply cuz ive never experienced it while stealthed personally.

Doubt that, I usually get hit while stealthed and I have a 100/100 line in here connected to my university network with good ping to most places in EU. :x

In a way so far at level 40 I agree somewhat with you, my ranger puts out way more reliable damage and has more survivability. I hope this will change when I got more traits and stuff at 80, but from what I can tell right now it feels like if you make one mistake during pvp you are dead meat. Time will tell. :p

EDIT: Biggest issue for me is how I always get hit by hits while I’m in stealth, either single target or AoEs seems to hit me.

I don’t think I am colorblind (maybe I am?) but it is actually hard to see…

I’ve only once noticed invisible enemies, and something you could possibly do is to install GW2 on a SSD, seems to make difference for me. In general its recommended to have MMOs on SSDs.

@ersatz sounds like a good suggestion, sad that anet probably wont read it. :p

@Wiluz you are comparing smaller weaker servers ranked among the bottom of EU vs the 2nd ranked server of EU. Nuff said.

I’m not doing much WVW so far but as I sleep weird hours I check WVW for jump puzzles sometimes during night and there are always a ton of VS guys there say I enter at 2am 4am 6am or w/e gmt+1 and I always see a wall of red usually camping right outside the spawn. It’s quite insane. Either there is a zerg of people who work night which I doubt or there are lots of Canadian french playing on VS which sure is fine but don’t pretend it’s not happening. :p

Same for me and most of my friends coming from EVE Online and Lineage 2, both open world type games where in this game we feel very limited by invisible rules.

Put the game on a SSD?

I would go to another server if not everyone of my real life mates played the server I am currently on. Think it’s the same for a lot of people.

No thats how wars work.

warboss.1362:

“Ooo warboss is a real team winner joiner (from the good old CS days).”

your point is not valid we left FS while they were dominating because of the zero organization, leaving PUGs and small guilds aside nothing more.
and we really hope to get our a.. kicked by FS soon :p

About what you said about kittenes, they are always organized and usually quite good at PVP, had lots of fights vs kittene clans before which was always cool. Wish we had more of them at FS: :P

Yet don’t know if I understood this right but you left FS for VS? Sounds counter productive as you make it less organized assuming you are playing with a group and IMO you have no right to complain about the people who comment on the current balance if that is the case. :p

I also prefer GW1 PVP over GW2 PVP tbh. It’s very unforgiving and hard to get started with especially with all thieves atm.

I wish some serious L2 clans would move over to GW2, then we would see some real steam rolling.
I tried WvW once so far and I’m FS, what I saw was a huge number of FR, at least 5 times our number running anyone who stood and fight over wherever I went, I don’t think there is a good solution to this, seen it happen to many times in L2, more active side wins, it’s that simple.

Blows everything else out of water? Son let me tell you of this game called Lineage 2… We would spend weeks and months leveling characters and using a whole clan to kill a raid to get ONE item for ONE character. This raid is a world raid you have to fight other clans over which only spawns once every 2 weeks and takes 2 hours to kill IF you win the PVP. Everyone also have to have an item they have to do quest for in order to enter the world boss. Well there are plenty of those items in the game and they arekittenneeded unlike the stuff in GW2 which is just there for the looks afaik.

Both me and my brother both unable to connect from different ISPs and locations since the mass dc.