Guild Wars 2

Air.3154:

even with small organizzed groupping then the server with the best coverage would still kitten the others, in your case, viz would win again by attrition.
Skirmishes are fun, but not when you fight for nothing. Capturing stuff and then coming back the morning to find all captured by viz, it’s just demolishing people morale. ._."

I agree, but I also look at things in this way…
1. I can only do so much with the time I have available, I look at the sitution when I log on, I look at the sitution when I log off, as long as the situation as improved then I consider that a victory for me and my group. In this way, it doesn;t matter so much about what happens when you don;t play, because when you did, you if effect ‘won’.

2. Losing stuff overnight is never a good thing, unfortunately it is just whats happens, but look at it from a different point of view.. It gives me more chance of ‘winning’ the next time I log in.

People should try and play to win during the time they have available, and not worry so much about the times they can’t be on.

Exactly.... so VS have to also work with the idea of trying it.. I understand your TS is down at the moment so pugs are following so close to commanders, well how about.. run without a commander tag up.. we have been doing that for months..

Leorcyn.1063:

Lelith.2916:

VS.. Troma.. I seriously ask that you look at your play style. Ask yourself this, Do you really have to fight the way you do?

VS.. Troma.. I seriously ask that you look at your play style. Ask yourself this, Do you really have to fight the way you do?

Nah, but seriously ? Do you believe there is a VS playstyle ? Where were you, X weeks ago when SFR was roflstomping VS ?
If you seriously think that we do something on VS that is not done on any other server, it’s time for some fresh air.
We play WvW, we seem to win sometimes, get over it.

Well lets all just carry on as we are then shall we?? We can carry on this you did it first so we reacted theme all day long, the fact remains it is DESTROYING this game. Someone has to man up and be the first to say.. ok.. enough with blobbing, we’ll work in smaller groups, there is no need to go round in one big ball capping everything in sight and steamrolling other groups you come across. It ruins everyone’s fun and FUN is why we play a GAME.

On Deso, we have to go in small groups, for various reasons, occasionally we have enough people to form what i guess could be called a reasonable zerg, but those are happening less often. We are actively trying to get small guild into wvw in order that they can do guild focused raids instead of just having to form up with other groups. We are happy to take the first step in this, we want an enjoyable game, but if others don’t try and follow this route then literally no one will ever wnat to be in T1 as it will be a death sentence for their server.

Nightingale.8364:

Lovely reply, full of hypothetical if and buts (i would be surfing, they probably dont have decent ping etc etc etc). Trying to cover up something you dont actually know about and cant. My point was that troma said something that no one can possibly say is true or not true except possibly anet. "99% of our server is EU based".

In all likelyhood you have players from all zones in the world. To say you only have french speakers on your server is probably the picture you have from your own ts servers, listening to the people who speak. As No.1 server you have no doubt "pugs" following from outside the EU, just because you are No1 and bandwagonners love being on No1. This is not your fault and I’m not saying it is.

If one thing your post proves that the possiblities for your "100% based french speaking" server are extemely far reaching. As for the current situation in T1 being the fault of VZ server i would totally disagree, its the fault of Anet. The work that GC have done to organise the server is admirable and no one can doubt the server pride you have. My only worry is this statement "I will always think about my server in the first place". Your server pride may be getting in the way of the overall bigger picture. My advice would be to take a step back and look at the bigger picture, is the current T1 situation really good for your server? If this situation continues what will happen to the community that you have worked so hard to build? What should anet do?

As No1 server VZ has the responsability to also look at the game as a whole and not just your own server. Nombrilisme is dangerous.

+1 this.

I have much respect for the rallying ability Troma has on VS and all the work he has done. But sometimes server pride isn’t everything. You have to look at the actual game. In it’s current state literally no one will play soon.

VS play style while effective at making sure you can have ’pride’ in being the most winning server, is runing the game for soooo many people. Lets just look at T1.. guilds are leaving in droves, everyday i see less and less people in WvW, moving server or just quitting. Take the latest casualty for instance IRON, a guild many say they respected, why do you think they left and are moving to other servers or games? First is obviously the current state of GW2, but more importantly, it is just being tired of never ending VS. People can deal with faulty mechanics and gameplay for a while, but the fact that VS don’t have to have huge roaming blobs to win, and yet they still play this very same style just makes the whole T1 pointless.

VS.. Troma.. I seriously ask that you look at your play style. Ask yourself this, Do you really have to fight the way you do?.. If you were in Deso / SFR’s position, would you really like this happening to you?...

I am willing to work with SFR and VS both to rectify the situation in any way I can until Anet can fix it. My view is that if Anet can’t fix it at the momentit is up to us as the affected servers to try and sort it ourselves.

I would also like to add however, that I fully agree with a 1st goes up, 2nd stays, and 3rd drops system. It should have been implemented from the start in my opinion and offers the fairest results. Maybe couple it with a full rating reset. While this would undoubtedly be a bit unfair on the lower tiers if they get a superserver match up, VS v Vabbi for example, it would only lead to 1-2 weeks of it instead of the current state in which 2 T1 servers (which are actually more T4-5 atm) in desperate need of breathing room to rebuild, are now dying day by day.

How many more people have to quit for good before Anet takes notice.

Desolation won’t crash and burn unfortunately. It is true we have lost a large portion of our guilds though. However, we are currently working at rebuilding a sense of community on this server. Deso has never had that feeling, for one reason or another, not even at the start to be honest. But things are in motion to get the ball rolling, it will take time undoubtedly, an i’m sure there will be casualties along the way, but if Deso players are willing to work with me, and compromise, i can promise them we will be back in competition in the near future. We have plans, and the framework is almost ready to be put to the greater community for their input, but we need to work together to achieve the end goal.

Now, as for guilds on Deso, yes IRON have decided to leave or become less active in WvW, however there are two (was three) IRON guilds, Triangle which everyone knows, HALL, a PvX/Pve branch, and Eternal IRON which focused on EB mostly. The only guild truely affected by the decision to stop WvW is Triangle, HALL will still be there doing any events they choose, and Eternal IRON, although no longer partof IRON is still there alive and kicking. Add into this the other WvW guild of GoD, along with the smaller but equally hard working PvX guilds, and we have the core of a WvW community, and hopefully a Desolation server community already.

In short Deso is down but not out.. we are in a tier where at the moment we are in no position to challenge for the top, but then as stated before, SFR and Deso are both in the same situation.

Johje Holan.4607:

Raege.1069:

PetricaKerempuh.7958:

lets put it this way… treb/cata… no1 can argue that zerg at door was just unstoppable. now it isnt anymore and its a good thing.

Let me put it this way. Vizunah caps everything at night -> Vizunah has upgraded towers with arrowcarts AND a blob. You can’t zerg the gate. Your countersiege will be derstoyerd by the blob. What are you going to do now?

Sounds like you all have a serious problem in EU T1 that has nothing to do with arrowcarts.

Everyone that isn’t on Vizunah does actually. Raege has a very good point and specifically when dealing with Viz. They have much better coverage than any T1 current server… they cap everyone’s towers / keeps / SM over night. When you wake up in the morning you are faced with YOUR OWN areas being T3 and sieged up with a billion (ok slight exaggeration) arrowcarts. Now given the increased effectiveness of them against pretty much anything you can throw at a tower… what are you going to do..

imo of course... there are more important things to be worked on for WvW then adding gear... like.. broken mechanics and the state of the WvW atm.. just my opinion though

Very well thought out ideas, and explainations of why or how each is beneficial to the general aim of WvW. I support all of these ideas completely, anything that encourages less of the megablobbing going on, is always good.

Rayya.2591:

So what guilds left ?
From Deso: DSD /Bull /FG /GH – went to tier 3 EU
From SFR : RNV / RG /NOE/ OSC /SIN -went to tier 3 EU

For Deso.. there are many more.. 8-9 in fact not including those guilds which just died due to players becoming bored and no longer playing against the grim reaper which is VS.

Now even the PvX guilds are leaving. As it stands now, Deso has 2 medium sized guilds and a handful of small guilds left.

jdkL.4520:

A major part of your server mindlessly QQs instead of swallowing your pride and ask for guilds to gather and come back. They also blatantly say that they try to go DOWN a tier, which I understand because there’s no reward being t1 atm, and getting repeatedly stomped is’nt funny.

Tell me, with all the guilds leaving for various reasons, WHY would they want to come back?? The very reason they left in the first place is still here. Tier 1 is known everywhere for it’s skill lag, and blobbing. On Deso we have actively tried to avoid it where possible, but all we get is another 50+ VS blob rolling over our attempts at splitting out groups.

Tier 1 is a dead tier in my opinion, name one guild that has moved into it in the last month, just one?? i’ll even actually believe you. It will continue to die until the lag and blobbing is dealt with, which I will add is as uch Anet’s fault as it is VS for promoting this sytle of play and effectively removing any form of counter to it.

VS, you play for fun.. this is a game afterall, and everyone plays it to have fun I would hope, but even you as a server must realise, and noticed in the last few weeks, you ruin other people’s fun. It’s not the fact that you have numbers, it’s not the fact that you night cap every single night like clockwork. It is simply you make everything about WvW pointless to the point that people just plain and simple don’t want to play against you, and in fact do everything they possibly can not to.

One channel and all the guild tags are different.. Given that I have seen more than just one person from each guild on a map, it is either a ’commanders’ list for easy communication, or there are just others from Vizunah playing and not on TS.

Either way it proves nothing, and we all know you have more than 16 people online in WvW at the moment.

Great thread Omphin, very well thought out and if it even gets Troma’s seal of approval that has to be a good sign

Ever played on Deso? Believe me.. it is far easier to say to do something than it is to actually do it..

MagnusLL.8473:

salluks.6017:

we decided to deliberately tank this game and go to tier 2, and i hope we actually lose 200 points in tier 2, so we dont have to come back to tier 1 anytime soon.

If we drop in T2 it will take a significant amount of time to climb back in T1, and it might even prove to be impossible unless one of the 3 T1 servers chooses to deliberately throw the match like we’re doing now.

If we were to drop to T2 and happen to stay there a while, that would in no way be a bad thing, it all depends on how we spend that time.

And for some reason, people have this notion we are intentionally dropping to T2, this is not the case and hasn’t even been brought up. Salluks is misinformed on that count. All that has happened is some guilds have taken a week off to rest and do other things instead of focusing purely on WvW. They will be back next week or maybe sooner and the fight will be back on.

Sird.4536:

It’s funny seeing people that have never been on SFR or been on for a week talk about how things work.

Only thing I will say about this is this, the same can be said about people on SFR passing comment about Desolation who have never been on here, and don’t know the situation themselves. Believe it or not a lot of what the Deso posters say about the state of the server, is actually true. But as usual it is seen as someone trying to mislead you.

Ifyou really doubt it that much, come here and find out for yourself.

While randomising colours is a good idea, I feel people are missing the main issue, which is... why is there PvE elements in WvW.. when it is to all intents and purposes nothing to do with PvE.

I think you’ll find i posted nothing regarding the past..

is - present tense
never will be - future tense

but anyway.. enough from me, have fun all

I posted about the current and future situations. I can’t change the past.

There is much talk of an alliance between SFR and Deso, so I am here to set the record straight.

There is and never will be any alliance between Desolation and any, I repeat, ANY other server/guilds.

There are times when it may seem like it, unfortunately that is just the way the game is played. Deso and VS are fighting for survival in T1.. we don’t want to drop, and naturally VS don’t want to either. This means it is natural that we fight each other, and put pressure on. If any other server a in VS’s position it would still be the exact same situation as we find ourselves in today.

At the end of the day, Deso will do exactly what it always does... fighting the odds vastly outnumbered and weary from the long hours we all play, to try and make that little bit of extra effort count for something. We will never go down quietly or roll over and be another servers lapdog. We have pride in our server that despite all the odds we are still competitive.

One day soon, Desolation will be where it rightfully should be, standing top of T1, surrounded by the pixelated corpses of all the haters and enemies that stood in our way. Until that day comes, enemies beware, we will fight all comers, we may lose, we may win, but will we never surrender

pretorien.6829:

Shifty.3412:

pretorien.6829:

rg(sfr) atak castle , deso tag^^ gg , seriously is fun 2v1?

Yes very fun, lots of gold from taking your keeps :>

0 skill^^

you don’t need skill to take a tower keep or camp…

as VS prove everyday

Lowlands keep on EB

No drama, just a nice screenshot I got of how VS like to siege up Yes thats right.. we counted 16 of them O.o

I propose a change in thread title to Moorta is Awesome.. – Discuss since it is by far the most interesting topic i have seen in weeks

Genev.2450:

Deso taking a break this week?

Simple answer.. Yes… Playing to have fun this week. As mentioned in the first post

Could we please have an official ruling on whether the various zoom / FoV programs are within the T&C’s of the game. Many arguements and flaming of other servers are being caused by Anet refusing to answer this one simple question.

Please do not post opinions/arguements or any other comments, all we need is a simple yes or no from Anet themselves.

Tell me how you manage to hit siege we placed in the very center of the to keep gates? You sasy it’s not the whole server but in the screenshot you will see a lot of different guild tags, including VSD and FM. What do we expect you to do about it?? Ban those guilds from WvW until the person responsible has been found and banned/kicked from that guild. We are providing you with screenshots as evidence which show guild tags and player mages, now the ball is in your court to find and get rid of the exploiters.

We already have some people saying whats the point in fighting because all VS will do is zoomhack/exploit into keep/towers anyway. Do you really want that to happen? I personally have enjoyed every fight on EB this week.. it has been much better organised and you have come out and fought fairly in open ground. Well done for that, but please stop the exploiting. If as you say you are highly organised and have a grand alliance then it is really not that hard to sort out.. as i said, ban the guild responsible until they kick out the exploiter.. simple :D

Editted – since as pointed out I personally don’t know everyone on the server. I do however point out that as far as I am aware none of our main guilds use this zoomhack and are very against it. If anyone was found to be using it I would expect the same thing to happen here as I am asking VS to do.

FrouFrou.4958:

suprNovae.5410:

@Dyno.9467 “he only time you attack Durios is when Viz are attacking Quntin Lake”
Why don’t you ettack Klovan when we attack Wildcreek??? You just haev attacked Ogrewatch and Sm. That’s all you do.

Vizunah is smart as kitten. If you go for SM they immedietely leave SM and attack Anza or Mendons. Deso is a very good server, but you sometimes lack of smartness in Eternal Battlegrounds.

I remember few commanders saying something about it being totally useless to go for Viz towers as it’s waste of time/siege, since Viz will just summon their blob and wipe everyone out.

Hey Frou, glad to hear you are having fun on Gandara and keeping an eye on us too Say hi to everyone for me.

What you say is completely true, and as you know what Deso EB is usually like, lets just say, we would attack a tower if we could…

Neutro.3079:

Hope you enjoyed our golem rush on Quentin @ Deso ;)

GJ to IRON guild trying to defend, this was a close call :)

It interesting that you use a golem rush on a practically undefended tower, bit lke yesterday.. old news and isn’t worth being proud of. Couple of points though...

1. IRON doesn’t fight on EB, there are a few scattered about here and there but as a guild no

2. Was sending your 20 man zerg to cap Danelon really worth losing SM over.. especially as we capped it back before the tally and you still don;t have SM back... now that made me LOL :D

Keep fighting .. I’m sure someone will be impressed one day

Viz... You are obviously very talented at playing the points game, which to be fair.. is all that matters in WvW. But... your tactics while effective truly make you the most boring server in the history of WvW to fight.. You say you don;t care, but what if.. using an extreme example.. every server that faces you gets tired of it and just doesn; tbother turning up that week... How would you feel fighting absolutely no one week upon week.. you certainly couldn’t claim you were the best if that happened as you would never have any opposition. Being top of T1 doesn’t always mean you are the best :D

Rayya.2591:

Nidome.1365:

Q: How do you get into an enemy T3 tower and to the lords room in less than 5 seconds without damaging the walls or door?

A: Join the [SAFC] guild on SFR as they have demonstrated that they know how…..

i party with my mesmer spy from desolation.
For real, are you 100% sure they did not had an mesmer inside ?

Veloka hadnt been attacked for over 3 hours.. so yes.. no mesmer, and i personally saw a portal on top of Anza lord room roof..

To the members of SAFC guild on SFR.. STOP exploiting into our towers on EB.. We are watching you…..

If you doubt VS has a zerg, come to EB and explain what the 40+ blob of VS people running around every night are then please

We, on Deso, are outmanned every night without fail and yet you still insist on not fighting in small groups, and why should you.. if it works for you then fine. But don’t say you don’t have a zerg, even a zerg of PUGS/randoms is effective when fighting a much smaller force.

I use Legionnaire daggers.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Legionnaire_Dagger

Krosan.2890:

I think its shameful how obvious it is both EU servers spend most of their time trolling/flame baiting VS

VZ are just as good at flaming, and surely you mean all three EU servers instead of ’both’ since.. you know.. this is the EU WvW tiers.

Arborstone….. please stop exploiting… I know it’s not everyone on Arborstone, and i know no one seems to care much for EB, but seriously, we had just flipped Anza and less than a minute later it was flipped back to Arbor… no mesmer was there, i checked the entire tower myself, and an Arbor member was seen to be ‘climbing’ the wall. Unfortunately we couldn;t get a screenshot as it was only seen from a distance.

Play fair or don’t play at all

Welcome to Desolation DkR

Logically, as the exact same thing happened last week and Elona wasn’t in the equation then, the only server they could be from would be Arbor

Thread cleaned. I have pride in my server and anyone who needs a recommendation or if you are a potential transfer possibility, please feel free to contact me. I don’t lie or mislead people about things, i tell it how it is.

Ah Frou, i love your sig… thats true deso mentality

Wothan.4673:

Wolbryne.4037:

….

Could you have some name ? or at least just report this guy :/

There are no names in WvW, so unless you actually see them place it there is no way to report it..

This is getting to be a major issue though, the amount of siege placed in useless places is getting out of hand. No one minds losing, it’s all part of the game, but at least play fair.

Sorry but 10 golems against an empty keep is overkill and a bit unnecessary. We all want to do the best we can but come on.. seriously.
We all like a good battle but zergs are getting out of hand a bit.. We give as good as we get back and i have a lot of fun running rond but I do tend to avod zergs unless it;s for a big siege like SM.. If you know it’s basically night capping do you really need that amount of golems and a 30 man zerg behind it??

I’m not against zerging at all, it’s a valid and legitimate tactic but in the end if you just zerg everywhere people will get bored and just leave if it’s 2-3am.. and then you don;t get any decent battles at all which is pretty boring for us and you

Best way i can think of is something that was talked about by my guild for a bit. Make the Fractals dungeon (or any other highend popular dungeon) only accessible to the leading server in WvW. It can be reset daily so that one server doesn’t have it for the whole week.. This would make a lot of peope that do fractals have an incentive to help out in WvW. Jumping puzzles should be removed altogether too, along with vistas.

Had great fun holding off Millers at Redlake.. Held off several waves of players and then retreated to the tower.. 5 Deso people vs Millers hordes right outside their spawn point and yet we held it against all comers, finally they had to build a treb just outside their safe zone to take it from 5-7 defenders.

Also.. why do you jump and congratulate yourself for managing to take a tower after 2 hours or more trying.. against 5-7 opponents.. isn;t an achievement really.. overwhelming numbers will always win in the end. The Deso players are get more of an achievement from holding you all back or that long.

Very epic fight at the Deso’s inner keep door tonight. BB had three golems one after the other and there were only five people that came answer the call at first. After holding them off between us, and with new reinforcements we managed to hold the inner gate, then push them back and as a final nail in the coffin, took back Bravost and Durios too.

Well done and an awesome job done by everyone.

Tomoko Hawke

Siliconhobbit.4361:

Dear Toymaker Tixx,

I’d like a jumping puzzle that isn’t a jumping puzzle. I’d like a reverse puzzle that is modeled after a giant sled-ride. One where I can climb up a mountain and ride a metal runner sled down a mountain, past obstacles and monsters and avalanches. Over jumps and hills and through slick ice chutes with falling icicles and break-away ices floes. Riding my shiney runner sled to the bottom for great prizes and record breaking times I can compare with my friends and guild-mates as competition.

Thank you

So… you basically want a bobsleigh run then

Zoid.2568:

Because then everyone can get a named weapon. Read my post again. RNG among named weapons only. Then you are 100% to get a named exotic.

How is that any fairer? I did the event and looted the chest, I got nothing special at all, in fact only 2 people in my entire guild got a named weapon of any sort.

Honestly.. go through every page of the now 7000+ thread.. and look at who is posting.. There are several people who post multiple times. Now i’m not saying ignore the thread as irrelevant but 7000 people is in no way the majority of players ingame.. it’s just a large, and i say large as who knows how many people actually use the forums, amount of people with nothing better to do than whine and moan about content that isn’t even released yet.Just to make sure everyone understands this point i will clarify….7000 people are not even close to the majority of players.

I personally couldn’t care less about Anet adding another tier of gear. I play the game for entertainment and to play with friends.

Exotics were never intended to be the best of the best armour, there are legendaries in the datfiles, and since exotics are in no way hard to attain, they shouldn’t even be thought of as the best. They require no grinding and you can get a set as soon as you hit 80 if not before. I don;t understand where all this ‘you have to grind for exotics’ rubbish comes from.

As for the forum posts in the Ascended armour thread… I doubt even 10,000 people is the majority of actual gamers, and if you read through the thread entirely, you will see the same people posting complaining about it. The majority of forum users maybe (though again.. unlikely), but the majority of gamers you certainly are not.

You are also arguing over content not even released yet.. why not actually play the game and have fun, and experience it BEFORE you make a decision. As for myself. I will play regardless of what Anet add… they may make my entire gear set out of date, but i honestly don’t care, I will get whatever I aim for over time.. just as the game is designed to allow. Anet have said they didn;t expect people to have legendaries within such a short space of time, and so they have had to bring possible future content forward for early release. If anyone is to blame imo it would be those people that ‘must have’ the next shiny thing, that offers only small advantages over existing ‘standard’ items.

Seriously if people are getting this annoyed about a game, I would advise they go outside, breathe some fresh air, and re-evaluate ther lives and whether this is the game for them.. If it isn’t move on.. I for one will certainly not miss you one bit, if you decide to stay then stop whining everytime you don’t get things go your way.

One of the quaggans

Here’s mine, not got too many ><