Guild Wars 2

And here’s the current score!

I generally play during NA primetime so to me, SF is MORE than holding their own in this tier. Its a numbers game, and when both sides are evenly matched, its a “learn how to freaking defend our kitten, DH” game haha

Looks like we’re going to try and do a more permanent thread for the recurring fights.
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Fights in IoJ bl tonight have been awesome, hope they keep up the entire week!

Tuluum.9638:

Lord Rager.8543:

Go IoJ. I want them to be better in T6 and they need a guild like yours to do so. Even out-manned alot they have been 1 of my Favorite servers to fight against.

Stay away from T7 as they are all happy with their match up.

Darkhaven is always an option but theres Que times durning prime time NA.

But overall IoJ can get on par with SF/DH with your help.

Thats exactly what I was thinking too. At least from our match thread, some of the big guilds on SF are taking a break, so they may actually be able to beat DH when fielding their full force.

IoJ, on the other hand, is definitely fielding their full force and adapting incredibly fast.

SF doesnt really need any help, unless they want to move up a tier. Tier 7 is as close of a match as I have ever seen, so even a transfer of a 50 player guild would probably mess up the balance. Tier 8 is kind of its own thing.

So, coming from someone on DH, my vote is for IoJ as well!

Coming from someone else on DH, IoJ right now is suffering during NA primetime, their real strength is after NA goes to sleep. If you transfer to IoJ (which is a better choice than SF imo) it would make IoJ much more competative in T6.

I’d say BP or AR are other good ideas – they could def use your help, but I’d stay out of T7 because of how balanced it is.

I agree completely with some unique borderlands. It would make things far more interesting. I personally would prefer a unique borderland (or even just a unique skin) for each server (for example, crystal desert would have a desert like theme or skin and so on) – though I know that is probably too much to ask.

I do agree with the OP’s points though, they’re all spot on.

Absolutely, condensing turret skills is really a must. I would think about using them if I didn’t have to make a janky kitten build to just get the traits right.

The engineer’s utillities have so much potential – especially some of the gadgets. If the dev’s would focus on buffing some of them rather than worrying about how the grenade kit kills pve targets that never move quickly, I think we’d be golden.

We’ll just have to do some good fight nights so we get more comfy with each other! I’ll schedule a time now….How about 5pm eastern on Thursday in DH bl by the windmill?
Boom, done.

This is getting unfriendly quick! Not cool guys! Not cool. All I know is I have been having a blast fighting SF and IoJ this week. Its nice to have a proper fight on our hands.

PS: To whomever was guarding SF’s north camp on their bl last night, kitten you and your response time!!!!! You stopped us time and time again, those were some really fun fights.

Chaba.5410:

redslion.9675:

Problem is: will healing turret’s radius be long enough to actually let it be put OUT of the point and still be healed?

This is the problem with mortar as well. If the range were longer, there would not be much of a need to up the survivability. As is, it needs to be able to stay standing under AoE barrage.

Frankly, I think the mortar first off needs a severe range increase, a zoom out camera angle, and a damage boost. I would settle for just the range increase to see how it works out before the others though.

MrForz.1953:

Like Forty Seven Ninjas.6982:

(edit) Not related to what i said before, but where the heck is our 20% cooldown reduction for our turrets!?

Retrieving your turret will give you that.

Lol well then, i suppose i did know that. Nevermind! I guess we’ll just have to see how the new patch plays out.

LOL yeah, in WvW NO one attacks healing turrets….because AoE isn’t the main method of attack at all….

Wvw that turret isn’t going to last long enough to do any passive healing. It will die quicker than in PvP, if anything in WvW is where it needs the hp buff.

(edit) Not related to what i said before, but where the heck is our 20% cooldown reduction for our turrets!?

Lol, there are SO many of you guys!!!! And your response time – top notch. We have a lot to learn in terms of getting our forces where they need to be fast enough.

Looking forward to the rest of the week.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand GAME ON!

Gab Superstar.4059:

Like Forty Seven Ninjas.6982:

I don’t think DR is better necessarily, they are in second due to better coverage (did I get that right?).

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Wut? Rather, in terms of points DR is superior to IoJ. I think that is as clear as day to everyone?

Ok, so what is the reason you’re beating IoJ in points? Is it because you have better coverage (which is one of the reasons DH is stomping the scoreboard) or is it because you are just better? Cause imo, I think the reason is better coverage/more coverage when it matters (ie, NA primetime). Not an attack, just a man tryin to understand ( so please treat it as such and don’t go all atomic on my kitten )

Frankly, I think IoJ would have a better time in T7, I do think DR fields more people than IoJ does. It’ll be very interesting to see what happens when SF comes to T6.

PS: We need more screenshots!! (But not of the accusatory/youhave1203684193465morepeoplethanusnoobzor type) Alright? Alright.

hyjaxxx.1584:

to the person who asked why we always seem to attack Devona before isle. I would say that for the most part..dark haven feels Devona to be the better skilled of the two servers. and while you are usually 80-110k back in points " yeah yeah you dont care about points" we know that taking positions from you will put us in an even better position and open the 1st to 2nd lead, and have some fun to boot!

just my thoughts….dont put a video up , i promise ill behave!

Jaxx.

I know I personally (not necessarily representative of [PD]) am in DR bl because of so much trash talk on the forums . Its annoying and IoJ is up to super secret stuff so I figure why not take some more DR stuff.

I don’t think DR is better necessarily, they are in second due to better coverage (did I get that right?). [HARD] from IoJ is up to snuff in many regards as much as that adqqsty group of hoodlums. I will hand it to [OINK] though, you guys work very well as a small group. Idk anyone else who does as well as you guys in something like that.

The picture attached is the result when we tried to get a sneak peak at IoJ’s super secret plans.

Wow we had a good time tonight – lots of fun fights, especially holding the SE tower in IoJ bl. Props to whomever was manning the IoJ trebs in IoJ’s east keep. You literally shot those for about two hours. We would’ve liked to hand the tower to you directly after everything was said and done just for your dedication haha

This cracked me up – liked all the random zombie noises the whole time. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a zerg that large….and I’m on DH… haha, thats insane.

True story, this is by far my favorite part of the game. If WvW wasn’t in here, I might have stopped playing a bit ago – I’m not much for pve aspects of a game. WvW is a blast and I think they really nailed it.

Perfecthair.4190:

Hey guys, I’m returning to gw2 and wanting to give WvW a good try this time around. I was wondering if someone could tell me what class is a strong solo roamer class to play in WvW. It seems like everyone says every class has something wrong with it. I was just wondering if someone could let me know a class to play that i could level up and have success killing yak escourts taking over camps etc. Thanks for your help.

Engineer. P/P engineer will roll almost any other build 1v1 and often 1vX if you’re good at it. As an engineer it is harder to escape than with a thief, but imho the combat ceiling is higher for an engineer than it is for a thief.

If the engineer isn’t your cup of tea (it isn’t most people’s) then go for a thief, its highly played for a reason – its easy to do above average with and it is very forgiving because of stealth (especially if you’re not full glass cannon).

Man Oozo, were you in that fight where we [PD] kept getting pincered by the adnoqq guys into the IoJ masses by a NW tower (We were catting it and then almost everyone else got wiped)? Your tactical withdrawal and come from behind massacre to us was pretty nice – we were just starting to make ground against them. In the back of my head I knew it was coming tho, I just didn’t have the foresight to get our guys out lol. We were having a helluva battle there including when ya’ll showed up, that was a ton of fun.

Hope to see ya’ll out there more!

PS: just got my char guardian leveled and equipped so maybe I won’t die as often in those crazy situations.

Acelerion.6820:

PD is supposed to be a roaming guild right?

We take objectives and get points for DH just like any other guild out there. We help where we’re needed be it walkin yaks or wiping zergs (I’d like to think I’m pretty boss at the former).

If you define roaming as walking around with the sole purpose of fighting other small groups, then no, we’re not a roaming guild. If you define it as a guild that does all sorts of WvW things not with the main force for the benefit of the server, then yes, we’re a roaming guild.

Ok, so I’m just going to throw this out there because I’m tired of hearing it. I REALLY don’t know where ya’ll got the idea we said we’re winning through superior tactics or skill. Like really, where did it come from? I think we’re just tired of hearing how bad we suck. We’re winning because of superior coverage + larger turnout for NA primetime we all know it, so quitchakittenen. There then. I settled it, stop using that as an argument.

Well you missed some good fun, those clashes were some tough encounters. We were very disappointed when they left our bl after the 3rd fight (no more reports of people getting rolled and all our supply camps stayed green). Well like I said, I have literally seen your group maybe 8 times total throughout the matchup (thats generous) and with 4 exceptions you’ve been in a relatively large DR group (see what I did there?). But really, we don’t run into you guys all that much which is a kitten shame.

Furthermore, PD never zergs. We might provide flanking support to the zerg, and work closely with it, but don’t mistake it for zerging. The most I have seen our group run with is 15 people, because we don’t exclude people who hop on Mumble and want to tag along. If you consider that a zerg, then I don’t know what you would call the DR zergs

We should agree that we don’t see each other enough and therefore should stop making silly blanket statements about eachother’s “zerging” tendencies with our limited exposure to each other’s groups (cause god knows this arguement will go on for literally ever). Alright? Alright

I completely agree, I would be bummed if the reset time in the US was at 2:30am, I dont see why the EU players should have to deal with that. Give ’em a separate reset time!

Gab Superstar.4059:

I have wiped PD and SE multiple times, they have some decent players but tend to zerg around a lot instead of doing what you seem to think they are doing. I have only seen GRIM once, I encountered one of your members who promptly waypointed away.

Man…those multiple times sure as hell weren’t last night. We did a number on you guys a few times on the west side of our BL (If you were in those fights, I was the upleveled char guardian who saluted because they were a kitten blast). Lol @ we tend to zerg around – our guild comprises of maybe 10-15 people online at a time. Naw man, sometimes we’ll provide the zerg support but 90% of the time we’re off doin our own thang.

We have respect for your group gab, but hell we generally don’t tangle every night and more than half the time you outnumber us/are in the zerg….so therefore you guys must not roam as much as ya claim? Probably a false assumption :P but the limited spectrum we see of the enemies isn’t necessarily what “they do”.

dreztina.4820:

I went I think 1-5 vs. Hoppenheimer, so hopefully that will be encouragement to others when I post looking for fights. Was good fights though, and I enjoy those win or lose.

Good fights, he hits like a ton of bricks.

dreztina.4820:

If anyone else would like to try their hand at a glass d/d ele let me know and I’ll log back on.

I’ll play you. I’m an engi and im down to give it a shot. Msg Dr Hoppenheimer, i wont be on for too long if you’re game.

Had a blast tonight at fight club! Everyone was really good, hope to see everyone again next week! Hope we can get a bit more class diversity next time (maybe another engi..hint hint…), when I left thieves were very over represented (yet no slouches)! haha

Lot of fun tonight everybody. That small group of DR (I think it was 3 or 4 btsy and maybe 1 qqsomething) that kept poking us and harassing IoJ in the southern part of IoJ along with that big ’ole IoJ group provided some great times!! Glad to see everyone still kicking during the week.

Gab Superstar.4059:

“you are kind of annoying on the forums. "

Call the kettle black why don’t you lol

Baelnorn.5710:

(Since for some weird reason I can’t edit my post right now…)

Why didn’t they add 1 WXP for each silver you spend on upgrading an objective?
Why didn’t they add 1 WXP for each 10k HP you restore to structures with repairing?

Yeah, ^^ THIS would have really been a good addition to WvW. I really like this idea. It could be refined or whatnot, but the core idea is great.

Frankly I’m fairly disappointed that the levels aren’t account wide. This is going to seriously deter people from playing with alts (I know I’m not going to bother if anything real is going on) in WvW cause they’ll fall behind on wxp.

ShockStun.7453:

Like Forty Seven Ninjas.6982:

Creepy Silent.9801:

Was roaming today around 1:30 pst on my terrible D/D ele in DR BL, HARD from IoJ was doing some exp train with like 6 people and they ran into PD from DH! Just stood there as they fought each other, that looked like some fun fighting! It was at the northwest sentry, props to the other small mans running around!

Ha, that was a fun fight. We were hunting those IoJ guys down cause they beat the snot out of us the first time around on the opposite sentry. We were tryin some hairbrained tactic the first time and got murdered. Fun fights guys! I love these small scale encounters!!

LOL! I remember that. It was like we were racing for camps and sentry. Good fights indeed. Got us good on the 2nd encounter. GGs

Haha, yeahhhhhhh, we def weren’t heading for the sentry….you guys were our targets hahaha…which sort of backfired the first time . The second time around, I def targeted you first cause of that nifty little tag you’ve got there . I think you got ressed after the stomp and got away didn’t you?

GGs for sure man, hope to see ya’ll out there some more!

Goloith.6349:

For those that don’t know, the first big condition buff came in the form of fixing Giver’s weapon’s condition duration. This has opened a ton of new builds for not just Engineer, but others as well.

How does this affect the Engineer the most? See my thread below and I will explain how this was a buff.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/engineer/The-New-Meta-for-WvW/first

I’d classify that as a game fix rather than a buff. I’d say if we need a buff it is NOT in the condition category. That build Goloith has u kitten olid as all get-out, I used it before the cond duration bugs. Imo, I think we’re lacking in the burst category unless we’re full GC.

The only KRs that got completely ruined were the grenade and super elixir. Idk why the super elixer kit got smashed that bad. Its the step-child now, doesn’t really fit with the kit imo.

The bomb kit, medkit, and tool kit’s KR all are pretty solid and fit their respective niche uses.

Tbh tho, I REALLY dont understand why they feel a universal cool down is a good thing. It takes away from utility and versatility. Makes using more than 1 kit sort of a bummer – especially since jumping no longer negates the effect. I loved being able to control when I wanted to use my KR, kinda lost that even if it was a bug.

Creepy Silent.9801:

Was roaming today around 1:30 pst on my terrible D/D ele in DR BL, HARD from IoJ was doing some exp train with like 6 people and they ran into PD from DH! Just stood there as they fought each other, that looked like some fun fighting! It was at the northwest sentry, props to the other small mans running around!

Ha, that was a fun fight. We were hunting those IoJ guys down cause they beat the snot out of us the first time around on the opposite sentry. We were tryin some hairbrained tactic the first time and got murdered. Fun fights guys! I love these small scale encounters!!

Had a blast in DR’s borderlands tonight. I’m so happy culling is over. The fights between garrison and the west keep back and forth were a great time!

Make it optional for both the person with the title and whether or not people can see titles. Its just another thing to load ikittenerg but give those who care the option to see it.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Mayhem.1935:

Well, good thing we have this Fight Night set up so we can see all the boss PVPers. Some are quiet, some are loud mouths, some are rude… but..

We will all be able to test our meddle against the duelists of each realm. I for one will be there to step up for DH pvpers. See you there!

The Swindler[SE]

Being able to win a 1v1 can have very little to do with your WvW prowess, especially if you run a confusion mesmer >.<.

Anyway, nope I won’t be able to make it there. I would stomp everyone easily though.

Just going to toss this out there…..WvW is about tactics and holding objectives. Not open field fights with even numbers. So the obsession with colors that Myro and many others have is just their way of showing you true “WvW prowess”.

That said, I do love me some good ’ole fashion brawls – big and small, I love them all.

Aervius.2016:

Arakkne reminds me of Arrakis, so instant win in my book (lol). 9/10

Kolt (Forty-five), the Asura Thief.

8/10 if you use pistols…..

My engineer: Dr Hoppenheimer

I would totally use mines if they didn’t show up as red circles…..you know…..like mines……

Gab Superstar.4059:

Mayhem.1935:

CrazyCanuck.4265:

hyjaxxx.1584:

I will say this,dark haven has some amazing players. And I can’t wait to see what we can achieve in the future.

Where are these players? Or did you mean to say amazing zergs. Quite frankly I have yet to see a group smaller than 15 do anything more than cap sentries and get wiped by 5 people. I have literally had better fights from ioj up level roamers then anything I’ve seen from dark haven.. Your weekday force must really suck cause you guys are very reminiscent of the mass zerging/pvdooring that SBI did, yet you are in T6.

Also the hacking that happened at NW tower in drbl tonight by 3-4 DH was pretty sad.. As if pvdooring wasn’t boring enough.

I run small man(2-5) constantly and just 20 minutes ago put a beating on a DR & IOJ zerg in DRBL + capped IOJ DB with the same small group while a big zerg took IOJ garrison. I dont know who you are fighting, but is sure isnt me & my team.

Were you the [PD] guys at IoJ spawn?

You rang?

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Like Forty Seven Ninjas.6982:

Now I seem to remember someone putting the “new” IoJ borderlands up last week…..

Well here’s the “new” Darkhaven borderland so there! We’re evenish?

Not having a go, but was most/any of this PvDoor? Just want to know if we had a presence then and were just really…really bad or if we had no one.

Gave me a good laugh but
Ill admit, after we took your bay there was no DH to be found and were able to take the rest of the map no worries.

Naw, there was some fearsome resistance during that run at garrison, and 5 of us defended/saved the NE tower at the last second a few times with gates down against a relatively large group of IoJ (I think [POOH] was the the guild).

Overall we had more people on your map in the later hours, but it was a good fight up until about 4am eastern USA time.

Now I seem to remember someone putting the “new” IoJ borderlands up last week…..

Well here’s the “new” Darkhaven borderland so there! We’re evenish?

pixieish.9627:

Well, about an hour or so ago, I had some of my guildmates informing me that our borderlands weren’t going well, and when I showed up, I had the pleasure of seeing a rather sizable force of Darkhaven breaking through the southern gate of our garrison, eager for blood.

Personally? I think I barely did anything to improve our odds beyond giving a nice blue sigil for our forces to look at, with DR militia quickly manning the ballistas and turning those rednames into porcupines when they broke the inner gate and piled in.

Our forces tried to push them out, but annoyingly Darkhaven managed to rally up quick like, and soon we were back inside garrison, trying to rebuild siege, regroup, and… wonder why the hell someone decided we needed a golem.

This time, however, we discovered we still had a mortar handy, and with a catapult built up as well, Darkhaven’s siege attempts were pretty much nullified. I tried to group up our forces for a proper counterattack, though that was rendered pointless when our guys just charged them anyways, and I found myself following them, leaving a trail of sparkling bags and corpses behind us as we finally managed to break that assault on our lands.

Was a little anticlimatic when we managed to retake all of our map with little fuss, but
I suppose I can’t complain.

And we would’ve had it too, if it weren’t for you meddling commanders! But really, that was a really fun battle, no idea why or how we disbanded so quickly. All we needed was a mesmer to get to the ramp to the second level and we could’ve had a proper fight going!

Tuluum.9638:

Gab Superstar.4059:

ghoriar.3410:

Darkhaven must have some awesome jokes, there’s a lot of /laughing going on within their zergs, just wish our 3 man could hear what they are.

“Those guys only killed half of us in that 15v3.”
“Haha, what terribads!”

/laugh

“Did anyone record it?”

I will actually call people out when they disrespect others. Of course, this can lead to me becoming the center of their attention, haha. Meh, its my least favorite aspect of playing with other people. My only rule is “respect others.” I dont expect the same, but I stand firm in my conviction on it. Doesnt mean Im not playing to win though, giving an easy win to someone skilled isnt very respectful in my mind.

As a mini-game, I try to /salute individual players who impress me even in the middle of a zerg fight. Obviously, this leaves me vulnerable and can lead to trying to get out of some tricky situations! I find it funny too, since I am pretty sure amongst all the particle effects, etc. that no one can see it. Oh well!

Absolutely, I try and do the same. A simple “have some class” usually makes people quit with the emotes. I bow and hope if nothing else they see it in chat among any other emotes.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Hello Darkhaven!

:)

Hello? Who’s there!?

Haha, yeah, not gonna lie, I definitely targeted you. I see an engineer that has their kitten together (you killed me before that near garrison with a larger group) and I wanted to try and match skills .

I didn’t know the rest of them were behind me, I’ll try to make it a more personal encounter next time .

Kardiamond.6952:

To the [PD] guild,

Why all the hate? Go for my Elem friend from time to time

I don’t like being the target of 3-4 pull in and then mass stun/supply drop. :P

Are you by any chance the tall female norn engi in [SOLO]?

CriSPeH.8512:

Yeah glad to see all the optimism.
Its unfortunate to see what the Devs thought process is, they clearly do not know or care about the actually flaws of the Engineer and are more interested in the most popular QQ about a single aspect of the profession.

Really? Barrage+Barrage is TOO powerfull? A burst that requires you to be ontop of the target and FULL GC to pull of the numbers they spit out. 24k give me a break. A Thief can do that with a macro key, then stealth speed stomp you and wait to do it again. Its AoE sure but to its own detriment, that just means if there are other mobs/pets/enemies around that your damage will be diluted between all of them.

I don’t want to complain too much since this is a sub free game and I already feel like I have got my moneys worth out of it. Nerfing KR will do nothing more than kitten ppl off for a week or 2 then they will find another backasswards way to combine our mess of skills and traits into some new combo for ppl to complain about instead of figure out how to counter.

Devs I don’t think you are giving equal and just attention to all aspects of your game, you spend much more time and effort on the key classes that every MMO has and fail to fully refine the class you decided to rush in at the last minute.You mention for a 10 point Trait KR is too powerful but neglect the fact that you would need 30 points in explosion to get such high damage with barragex2. You seem to be more worried about addressing the weekly QQs than you are about finally bringing all your games professions up to release ready.

I agree completely. If they’re worried its too strong for a 10pt trait, move it. Switch it with something useless like….I dont know…..our 30pt trait that gives us +50% endurance regen. It’ll be interesting to see how much utillity we get out of the new KR, but I personally think this is a huge knee jerk reaction to a spec thats not as widely used as they think.

Personally, I’d like to see the other kit-refinement abilities buffed instead of our two quality ones nerfed. Currently, the bomb kit refinement is relatively a waste, tool kit is great (very versatile), flamethrower isn’t bad, and medkit is horrendous. I think the kit refinements need to be better considering we get hit with confusion 2x if we switch to a kit and have kit refinement traited (which may be an unintended side effect but its HUGE against anyone stacking confusion).

I guess we’ll have to wait and see the patch notes, but I really hope they didn’t finish the destruction of kit refinement overall definitely one of our best traits.

Mayhem.1935:

I run a duo of 2 identical mesmers with my wife and kitten if i dont get laughed or taunted in some way everytime we lose to AR by vast numbers. I’m not sure what the deal is with some of you guys but alot of you guys are just rude. Suffice it to say im leaving IoJ alone and bonking AR heads as much as possible until some manners are learned! ^.^

Ha, yeah, I’ll agree with that. It always cracks me up when you see someone teabag you after it took 15 dudes entirely too long to kill you. Idk, all we can do is tell our militia to have some class instead of jumpin on bodies or whatnot. Maybe some of the rudes’ll catch on