Guild Wars 2

melodey.4652:

By cover I mean had we pushed to where you were standing (and I did, to take out one of your superior ACs), your zerg was covered by siege fire. So, not very inviting for DH to come fight you there. Omegas do killer damage by their lonesome and take forever to take down via melee; if you want an open field fight, like I said you shouldn’t have spent hours capping camps and empty towers with your ginormous zergball. I was bored as well roaming camps and dredge/hylek and looking for stragglers to punt off cliffs during that time. So the feeling was mutual I suppose.

Oh I know what you were talking about. The open field thing was like 30-45 min before that.

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

Mepheles.2087:

Out of all the opponents we have faced, we are the LEAST inclined to AC wars.

Tell that to everyone who wouldnt accept our offer of 5g to come wipe us outside SM and instead decided to build more ACs in SM which btw could use some help right now.

Then I got upset and offered 20g… Not sure if that was passed along though haha.

We seem to be missing a lot of people this reset :/ And DH seems to have fixed their reset problem haha. Here’s to an interesting week, cheers!

p.s. Fight Night on Thursday?

Flappybob.1950:

Excuse me while I spend a week putting together the enormous montage of CoSa kills that Mend puts out every night. How about if you guys want a challenge you actually come face us in your bl, rather than give up after 2 hours of us destroying you in open field battles with half your numbers.

All this hate towards BC, and these apparent “bounties” are sad, of course people will be burst down by a zerg focus firing them because of a “bounty”. You accomplish nothing besides making yourself look like a kitten when posting a new video every night.

TLDR – Cut the crap, play the game, respect your opponents.

Angry much? It’s not a montage btw, it’s video proof of spikes to earn his bounty. You guys aren’t even the target. The spikes on BC are paid for by an ET PK member. The spikes on ET’s PK guild is paid for by one of our guys. See how it goes? It’s not a big deal. But if you’d like, feel free to return the favor and put a bounty on CoSA. Knowing the guys/gals in that guild, I’m pretty sure they’d get a lot of laughs out of it. Have fun paying for the bounties though; they have a lot of people and they don’t mind dying haha.

I think he’s trollin :P

Pooka.3420:

maybe you should go there? Since you certainly havent helped your server near as much as me : )

Oh no no, I couldn’t possibly Marshal. They only want helpful players, of which I am definitely not. Vabbi has heard of your battlefield prowess and would love to have you there.

Hey Marshal, I hear Vabbi is in dire need of people. You should check them out.

I don’t think PHZE has gotten enough credit for what they do and I feel like they’ve gotten much better since we faced them in T7, so here’s to you PHZE, keep up the good fights.

kurath.9406:

Its not really the answer a lot of people like but one available tool that a lot of people overlook are consumables. Many people either use none or straight damage consumables rather than what covers their weaknesses.

You took 8k damage from retal over a 12 second barrage. If you were using an omnomberry pie, it has a cd of 1 sec which matches barrage ticks – assuming you crit atleast once per barrage tick (which is expected as a damage ranger), you’d have proc’d 12 omnomberry pie steals, at 325 hp each or 3900 hp stolen, mitigating half of the retaliation damage.

If thats not your game, then the standard strategy applies – focus fire when retal is a problem to drop single targets, AoE when there’s a window. Retal is supposed to counter wanton AoE, and while it does arguably have too much uptime countering it too readily its a matter of adapting unless that gets changed.

Smart man, that’s exactly how to counter retal. It’s too bad some people want to just blindly throw AoE out there from the back lines and be safe at the same time. Being focused by rapid fire hurts like hell. I could just as well complain that LB rangers are op. 5 of them focus firing can kill anyone they want, with retal being a non-factor. And your zerg should have retal up as well.

Also, I swear a third of HoD in wvw are all LB rangers and they do just fine. I would hate to see them all start raining barrage on people just because retal gets nerfed to jokes damage. They’d be like mobile ACs, and we all know how ACs go…

Some of you are too worried about the individual trinket pieces. With the exception of heavy valkyrie users, 90% of existing trinket mixes can be recreated using Ascended trinkets. To go with an example that was mentioned above, instead of soldier trinkets with zerker jewels, run 4 pieces ascended soldier and 2 pieces ascended zerker (depending on how much zerker you want or however you wanna do it). In some cases though, you would have to replace multiple pieces at once to keep your min stats at the right level.

Linanthony.1809:

LordKael.7260:

Uh…PHZE.. mind explaining what happened here at Sunnyhill? The gate and walls were still up at this point.

Lol that was quite interesting, a couple of our guys were hitting and rolling when they popped into the tower…to bad they weren’t mesmers :/

hahaha we were so confused, and that guardian just kept running around in circles on the wall

Uh…PHZE.. mind explaining what happened here at Sunnyhill? The gate and walls were still up at this point.

lunyboy.8672:

All we can do is get out there and stomp who we can, take what we can, and hold what we can against a server that should be at least T5 for sheer numbers alone. We can only get better by not being able to throw numbers at a problem and solve it with brute force.

SF is definitely not a T5 server. We’re solidly a T6 server with our current level of coverage. T5 servers and DH have much better sustained coverage than we can field.

Command with your high-survival characters, whichever class that might be. If you do use mesmer though, you probably don’t want to be the one dropping portals for pbombs cuz you’ll likely get pugs following you in lol

melodey.4652:

To the Trojan horse SF Knight from [SONG] last night- You were a baby quaggan with us… then someone with a big sword hacking away at us animals. Haha, guess the yaks looked too tasty to pass up.

Baby quaggans have a big appetite

Seriously, please fix this. I had a hell of a time trying to find my own party members on the map. The only way to make the blue show instead is when I zoom out on the map. That green dot sits on top of the commander icon as well, which is a bit annoying. This shouldn’t be a complicated fix as it looks like the layering order of the dots just got mixed up, so please resolve this asap ><

Miss Firesss.3704:

We enjoyed having you guys too SF, [KING] [CoSA] [SONG] especially, and sometimes that WalMart one haha! We always knew when we met you guys, or you were spotted on the map somewhere, we would have a good fight on our hands.

I have an inkling we will meet again though, we aren’t too far apart from each other in the rankings.

Good luck wherever you end up.

O.o
I must say I’m rather surprised to see a shoutout to my guild on here haha. Considering I’m the only regular (with a couple more that hop in now and then), it’s nice to know we made an impression somehow and it’s much appreciated.

Btw, it was fun running around with you guys in animal tonics before the rest of our guys crashed the party :P

neiliam.8614:

I had a lot of fun in my roaming adventures with this match-up….made some friends too. Shout-out to Milo from IoJ and Lord Kael, Soul, NSP, 7Mirror, and Bunny of SF.

Keep up the good fights and keeping things interesting in small skirmishes

You’re welcome to visit at anytime :P

Hey Darkhaven, just FYI… there’s a sylvari mesmer from Asylum Elites [FURY] that was blatantly speedhacking in SM just now. He’s dead, but it would be helpful if you guys figure out who he is and report him. Thanks!

A well-built shield warrior is on par with guardian in terms of raw bunker ability. Just sayin’.

The zerg mentality is common because it’s the easier solution and the mindless horde only needs to really follow 1 or 2 people. Separating that 75-man zerg into say… 7 groups of 10-12 people would be the smart thing to do, but the coordination required to be effective between all those groups is much more complicated than organizing a single zerg.

Myrmidian Eudoros.4671:

… just because their guard was bad and they could not neut the mid point, ever, unless we chose to let them…

You answered your own question right there. If their guard was decent, it would’ve been a different story. Anything you can do, he should also be able to do. And just because the other team was a pre-made doesn’t mean they were any good.

Also, there are quite a few counters to guardians. It’s not the class’s fault if other people choose not to field those any of those counters. A good necro/sd-thief/mesmer/engi can all ruin a guard’s day. There are some really nasty evade tank rangers out there as well.

So yes, I think it’s balanced pretty well. The other team just didn’t know what they were doing.

HippoLogic.2519:

Come on now just admit it you worked together is it that hard to say or is the outcome you wanted not what you got

Jeez Hippo, calm down… You sound a bit frustrated there. Not happy about having a weaker reset again? Don’t worry, we all know DH is gonna get the lead back once weekday coverage comes around and IOJ/SF will be floatin around for 2nd/3rd. No need to troll the forums this hard trying to stir up trouble lol. Let us have our fun in the meantime k?

manabevulkan.9527:

Banzie.5248:

FishEB.2043:

manabevulkan.9527:

Banzie.5248:

Sylvanaz Windrunner.9035:

Tukmolytes.3467:

Crimson Magdelana.9024:

Sylvanaz Windrunner.9035:

What an honor, 2 servers ally up against us to take us (DH) down. XD

Just a tease of things to come when you’re up against servers with equal/larger populations. Enjoy it while it lasts. Consider us the warmup. Until then consider yourself Baghaven.

:P

LOL! Baghaven!

Hahahaha, That’s cool, we don’t mind being named names. Afterall we (DH) were the ones laughing every Friday during May. Alliances of 2v1 in fail attempts to win, Taking hours to take a keep (LL) in EB while having 5 walls down, while 2 full forces outside our walls? Man, that was glorious as hell! Sorry for you lads though.

You know what? soon we might not see each other in wvwvw, but I guarantee you, someone else will come to replace us (while we are in a better tier), and instead of us, they will do the steamrolling and badge farming on you.

You BETTER be ready to come up with a better name than BagHaven for them

You obviously haven’t read the bottom of the new post Anet made, with the way their current math is We’d be pitted against FC and DR lol, cake walk compared to your numbers in NA primetime and many of us are definitely working on slowly corrupting all the kitten PvE minds to come to wvw for NA

Edit: Of course theres the new random factor to it im aware, but its doubtful we’ll be pitted against anyone above you , DH, again at the way our current numbers are.

look again with the current ratings SF will be facing AR and CD instead of us DH,
and if this keeps up for the whole week then Ioj will facing BP and NSP instead of FC and DR…..

That is, of course, if SF can keep the lead for the whole week (which has been proven they can’t). Having a super strong weekend presence doesn’t make up for lack of coverage for the other 5 days.

^ What he said, the past two weeks DH has already proved they will gain a 30k lead by Friday due to a superior NA coverage time the other 5 days of the week ;P

SF = 1 249.612
DH =1 238.516
IOJ =1 219.466

regardless if we win this week or not SF will be green… and i was talking about the ratings that determines a servers tier..

check http://mos.millenium.org/na if u dont believe it

That’s based on current score (as of today). Unless by some miracle we hold our lead through Friday, there’s no way we’ll be green. And besides, the new wvw matchup system goes into effect next week, so green/blue/red won’t matter anymore.

neiliam.8614:

A compliment from Seven Mirror…blush
I wasn’t able to take him down, but at least I hit hard =)

PS: He hit me harder, lol! (but I got away too and took a souvenir from him. -see my F1-) These guys are a great bunch (Bunny and Panties, thanks for hanging out!)
PSS: Crazy reset night! I love it!

also: a little chatter about Palace.

“I was being nice to Palace too, but he wasn’t having any of it lol”
^ hahahaha that’s pure gold XD

The only thing guardian needs to be a completely well-rounded class is some touch-ups to the Zeal traits and making spirit weapons a viable alternative to other builds. Everything else should be left as is.

Those changes you’re suggesting would make guardians completely overpowered.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Myro Pyro.1749:

but my question is, where did everyone go when we took it? You guys had roughly 30-35 people defending Hills, but when it came time for your Garrison it was vacant. We were all a bit confused.

Like my post above, SF had a lot of people defending OW and some defending Veloka but once we capped their 4 towers and hit the keep, we got in there and saw 2 people in the lords room on balistas.

Thats one thing SF need to address ASAP! The moral of your server drops so fast. Us on IoJ, we have a core group that will fight till the last supply camp falls and when that happens, we’ll be popping breakouts and hitting keeps straight after!

I was there for that garrison cap, and yeah it hurt. I’m surprised you guys didn’t know that we lose a lot of people around those hours due to people going to bed. We were already on our last legs defending Hills and Cliffside. After Hills went, we were losing people by the minute. When DH flipped Garrison, we had like 6 people on the map. And you also had us distracted trying to counter the Cliffside treb haha, so props on the backdoor I suppose. By the time someone called out watergate in map chat, it was already too late.

Atlas.9704:

That’s IoJ for everyone: Why bother placing in one spot, we could shoot for all three!

Sly IoJ… trying to win all 3 places at once… Didn’t see that one coming :/

I’m looking forward to the patch

Good job IOJ taking first! This round already looks to be more interesting than the previous weeks

Everyone answered the boon duration part, so I’ll leave that part at that.

As far as Signet of Resolve goes, you must have switched your traits to not use the signet cooldown trait, which would bring your 40s cd down to 32s. The default is 40s even in PvE.

EnemyCrusher.7324:

LordKael.7260:

hahaha some troll had built a bunch of alpha golems in our keep using our keep supply earlier in the day so… we finally decided to put them to use. PvGrub, superior t1 tactics. Got 5 badges from that chest, totally worth it.

I thought you guys were joking…

Well it had started out as a joke… then somewhere along the way we started walking the golems out the door haha

MegaManExpert.8413:

Hey SF lay off our grub! Thats for the after zerg party!

Been on the Eternal Battle grounds for 8 hours with a short break in our borderlands to help out, but we where out manned for almost the whole day. Dark Haven, I will have to say you got people, and they are very responsive too attacks and everything. Even with AC’s and siege you just roll on over us and turn our small army into badges.

As for SF, you guys can stay in your corner of EB and we will stay in ours =P. At around 1:15 you brought that huge zerg around our keep and I though you where going to hit us… Well good battles all around and just wished we had a bit more people. Tried to keep our points up for our Oceanatics and Ms. Starkk.

hahaha some troll had built a bunch of alpha golems in our keep using our keep supply earlier in the day so… we finally decided to put them to use. PvGrub, superior t1 tactics. Got 5 badges from that chest, totally worth it.

melodey.4652:

Score update!

(edit: if someone could explain how to post the score updates at the top I’d appreciate it)

It almost looks like you’re at Disneyland with Simba
O.o

To the 3 d/d eles (I think you were all d/d anyway) I fought up at the Anz vista just now, that was a lot fun :P Felt like it took years to finish tho haha

torridstoic.7492:

Fought a small group of SF between dredge and Wildcreek a short time ago. One of you was playing a self-heal guard that seemed pretty similar to Dawnheart’s build. You, sir, are exceeeeeedingly annoying. Well fought. (sorry I don’t remember guild names)

Haha that was me, it was a pretty fun fight :P
I thought I had it mopped up and then the other 2 came back lol. Darn those npc’s rezzing people

If you’re well spec’d for roaming play, thieves generally aren’t a huge deal. More of an annoyance because of all their escape mechanisms. They only die if they over-commit when trying to kill you. Otherwise it just ends up being a tie. The only ones that are a bit of a pain are skilled s/d thieves due to the new boon steal (depending on how much your build relies on boons).

Remember, according to Anet, Guardians are supposed to be fighting on the front-lines, so of course they have a ton of survivability. But you have to remember, any Guardian that’s built as bunker as you say they are will have near laughable damage. Try fighting some good players when you’re on your Guardian next. You’ll realize you that they might not be able to kill you, but you won’t be able to kill them either. It’ll be about who makes the first mistake. If you try to facetank a Guardian with a lighter armored class, that’s your problem.

TogoChubb.3984:

Well it looks like someone needs to stoke the furnace and wreck the barge coming out of janthir. kitten I wish I was there fighting for my server….Work really gets in the way of play time.

Zinrae – you are exactly right on how we used to be in the same boat as SF during the week. SF your day crew will learn new strats over time to deal with being outnumbered.

T6 is gonna be fun matchup for a while

Miss Firesss.3704:

SF, are you all taking a break again???

Always on break.

Yeah, I was jealous of how many bags people were saying they got. It’s too bad standing guard at durios gets you none
I really hope someone recorded that though, would’ve liked to have seen it go down.

And kitten you guys gave us a hell of a time running around all our towers lol, map chat lit up trying to keep up.

KinkyGiraffe.4123:

Score update

IoJ closing the gap on SF and SF not falling to far behind DH! This matchup is a lot closer than last week.

Looks like Sorrow of Janthir needs to get to work on DH and keep this thing close.
:P

Keep in mind VoR and VoC have long cooldowns in the first place. They’re never meant to be activated if you can help it, and you only really do so to pull yourself or your party out of a sticky spot in a last ditch effort.

Only thing sword needs is for zealot’s defense to be usable while moving. Everything else is fine. A stun would be pretty OP, especially if you run with hammer as well.

And I like focus the way it is…

Completely agree with the OP. Rams last way too long considering they’re only useful for a few minutes before either the gate or the ram goes down. AC/Cata/Balli timer needs to be increased for the sake of the poor graveyard shift workers. 5 people running around a map trying to defend AND refresh defensive siege is a really sad sight to see.

naphack.9346:

So I observe the enemy running into my zerg. now I:
-attack and die or
-do nothing and get killed
Observing doesn’t kill stuff. How are you supposed to observe, if the average zerg clash is decided within 10 seconds?

The only thing that’s clever is: You see enemy zerg approaching with retal up.
-f10 -> character select
-delete that engineer and that ranger and the ele, too, for good measure
-new character
-mesmer or necromancer

That’s what 90% of the guys in here are saying, isn’t it?

A zerg clash decided in 10 seconds? One side of that zerg is either vastly larger or far more skilled than the other, in which case, you have a bigger problem than retal. Or someone just got caught with their pants down.

And why doesn’t your zerg have retaliation? Observing definitely kills stuff if your opponent is doing the same thing you say you’re doing. Let them kill themselves with retaliation and just laugh while you mop up the fight. Besides what stopping you from doing single-target dps instead of aoe? You’re still attacking but getting much less retal in return. This is assuming retal is up 24/7 and is never removed.

naphack.9346:

LordKael.7260:

Ah… About these complaints about getting killed from retal by AoE’ing a zerg… Are people trying to 1vZerg or something? Or have your zergs stopped using mesmers and necros?

Seriously though, if none of the mesmers/necros on your side have spec’d for boon rips/steal/corrupts or uses them badly, then I’m sorry, but it is what it is.

And you don’t see a problem that there are classes, which are needed because of retal and classes which are utterly useless unless another class strips the retal for them?
If all of that stems from the fact, retal is so utterly powerfull, how about fixing retal instead?

No, I don’t see a problem. The difference for me here I guess, is that I think every class is necessary in big fights (yes, even thieves). It’s not just about retal. Mesmers/necros strip boons in general, so that retal is removed anyway. If no one’s stripping boons, then it’s just going to be a bad time in the first place. Unless you like letting your opponents walk around with every boon activated that is. And in that case, you take what you get.

Some people are also putting up theoretical maxes of how much damage retal can give. In a real pvp situation though, considering a mesmer/necro is doing their job flipping boons on people, at least half those people on average won’t have retal anymore. So cut that max retal damage figure in half and that’s how much it approximately does in a practical situation. Retal isn’t really that strong. It only hits hard if people let it do so.

Ah… About these complaints about getting killed from retal by AoE’ing a zerg… Are people trying to 1vZerg or something? Or have your zergs stopped using mesmers and necros?

Seriously though, if none of the mesmers/necros on your side have spec’d for boon rips/steal/corrupts or uses them badly, then I’m sorry, but it is what it is.

mfernandez.4172:

tonight’s session. couldn’t stop laughing

I got a good laugh outta that ram XD
And I see myself in that second screenshot :o

plevyakin.8792:

I was there trying to push SF when they had our keep in EB with a similar number to us, but they outfought us. If we were that good as we claimed to be, we would have at least been able to get a camp out of it.
(Shoutout to Lord Kael from [SONG] for that fight yesterday =D)

Thanks! It was a ton of fun out there :P
You have no idea how baffled I was when I got your party invite btw, hahaha