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zerker guards are a joke.
That’s interesting because I feel that comfy PVT guards are a joke in PvE…
If you want to sit there all fat on hp and armor, full health all the time wasting potential DPS and wasting the time of your group then I guess that’s how you want to play.
I’d like to caution the OP here, and this is from experience, a full set of PVT will be rotting in the bank at some point. I’ve 3 man’d a lot of dungeon content with mostly full Zerker gear without issue. I run with another guard, he’s full Zerker also, runs 12.5k HP and he is front line melee and he survives it.
Gear to where you’re comfortable, just don’t be afraid to run some DPS gear over PVT.
@ the war vs guard DPS argument, post your numbers or formulas, speculation is not fact. Screen shots of 100b or WW alone is not proof.
If by PvE you mean killing boars in queensdale, then no, you don’t need PVT. When I say PvE, I mean doing dungeons like SE, CoF, Arah, Fractals, and CoE. If you go into one of those dungeons with a party, you’re expected to do most if not all the tanking. A zerker guard would do as much tanking as a warrior. The reason I run PVT is not so I have full health, rather so I’m not on the ground, being a pain in the butt to my team, throughout the whole dungeon.
You need PVT to survive in SE or CoF? Lol.
If I’m the only guardian in the party, yes I do.
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You can also swap to medkit, drop the stimulant, and then switch back to your healing skill of choice if you want. This can help a lot with macro-mobility, such as roaming across a map.
You can also swap in slick shoes and use the super speed for a short burst of extra speed, and then swap them back out.
Obviously this won’t work in the middle of combat, but it’ll help you keep pace with the zergs.
Otherwise, 10 points in tools is all you need to meet your map roaming needs.
As for micro-mobility, meaning mobility during combat, we’re pretty much the worst. If it’s any consolation, guardians aren’t much better, and necros are probably just as bad as we are.
Yeah my main is a guardian and its pretty hard to catch up to a running ele/thief even with a few gap closers. Sucks that engi doesnt really have any….
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engineers can actually sustain swiftness permanently with “speedy kits” adept trait in tools. the 4-5 engis that get left behind usually don’t have this trait or are to lazy to swap kits
Alright, I see that now. Although that forces me to use kits, its not TOO bad I guess…. Though that does leave the problem of no gap closers. If I engage an enemy that decides to run, theres not much I can do about it… I know theres the magnetic pull thing, but from personal experience, its not very reliable.
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Yeah, mesmer is quite a big change from guardian, I personally didn’t like it but MANY people swear by the mesmer.
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I’m fairly new to the engineer class, so correct me if I’m wrong. The only speed boon I see is from Elixir B, which gives 10 seconds at a 40 second recharge. And none of the weapons have any gap closers, except for the crappy rifle 5 which doesn’t close much distance. When I’m zerging in WvW, the whole zerg runs past me, and there are like 4-5 engineers just slowly running in the back trying to catch up. I’m not asking for perfection, just something more than 10 seconds of speed every 40 seconds.
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Well I have been trying to level mesmer just used to melee combat just gets boring after a bit.
I’ll also have you know that you will have a lot of down time while playing a new character. Its definitely not fun to level it up, but once it gets higher it becomes a lot more fun. If you really like melee then try warrior. If you want to try something new then you might like thief.
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When you switch to another profession after playing a guardian, expect to die a few times. None of the other professions are as tanky as a guardian is. The first thing I tried after getting my guard to 80 was engineer. By no means are the two classes similar, but engineer can be pretty kitten tanky if you gear it right. No matter what class you switch to, its going to take some getting used to. Most of the time its based personal preference. If you’re really digging melee then try out a warrior. Warrior also has some viable ranged options which is a nice change from guardian. When I got to 80 I personally wanted to make something completely different from guardian, just so I would get a taste of everything, but thats just my opinion.
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zerker guards are a joke.
That’s interesting because I feel that comfy PVT guards are a joke in PvE…
If you want to sit there all fat on hp and armor, full health all the time wasting potential DPS and wasting the time of your group then I guess that’s how you want to play.
I’d like to caution the OP here, and this is from experience, a full set of PVT will be rotting in the bank at some point. I’ve 3 man’d a lot of dungeon content with mostly full Zerker gear without issue. I run with another guard, he’s full Zerker also, runs 12.5k HP and he is front line melee and he survives it.
Gear to where you’re comfortable, just don’t be afraid to run some DPS gear over PVT.
@ the war vs guard DPS argument, post your numbers or formulas, speculation is not fact. Screen shots of 100b or WW alone is not proof.
If by PvE you mean killing boars in queensdale, then no, you don’t need PVT. When I say PvE, I mean doing dungeons like SE, CoF, Arah, Fractals, and CoE. If you go into one of those dungeons with a party, you’re expected to do most if not all the tanking. A zerker guard would do as much tanking as a warrior. The reason I run PVT is not so I have full health, rather so I’m not on the ground, being a pain in the butt to my team, throughout the whole dungeon.
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Dungeons, high level events, WvW, PvP………………… PVT works for all of them. for those who said PVT is useless in PvE, are you insane? YES you do need the health when you are in a dungeon, because you’re the one tanking the most. zerker guards are a joke.
Maybe you’re just playing zerker guard wrong. Wouldn’t surprise me.
Dungeons, high level events, WvW, PvP………………… PVT works for all of them. for those who said PVT is useless in PvE, are you insane? YES you do need the health when you are in a dungeon, because you’re the one tanking the most. zerker guards are a joke.
Gotta partially agree with him. Full zerker guards can’t hold aggro and survive while anchoring enemies, and that’s the main role of a Guardian. A Guardian can have high dps but muss always be able to protect allies and hold off enemies from fragile companions. If not, then why choose Guardian?
Obviously you can get a good PvE build around PVT stats, but I think you can get the best performance mixing things up (soldier and knight stats are my favorite)
Hammer prot? Mace regen? Area might? On-demand stability? Projectile reflect and constant condition removal? Being by default the tankiest class in the game, even before traits and equipment? DPS that exceeds warriors when built properly?
All seem like pretty good reasons to run guardian in a dungeon to me.
Guard outputting more dps then war? Have you played both guard and war? its impossible for a guard to output more damage than a warrior, so why the hell would you even attempt to? guard is NOT for dps, rather for being tanky and providing support. AFTER you are tanky then you start worrying about dps. cant just go all out dps, only relying on traits for support.
Have you ever actually tried playing DPS guardian? I’m sick of all these clowns who take their AH guardians in cleric gear into a dungeon and go OH MAN I’M NOT DOING AS MUCH DAMAGE AS MY FULL ZERKER WARRIOR GUARDIANS SUCK FOR DPS.
The only substantive difference between a guardian and a warrior in a dungeon is that the warriors provide offensive support (fury, banners) while the guardian provides defensive support (regen, prot, stability, consecrations). Because of that, a warrior putting offensive buffs will do more damage than a guardian putting defensive buffs on himself, but put the two together so they buff each other and the difference totally disappears. In fact, the guardian has a very slight edge over the warrior.
you are stupid for saying that. guardians base damage on weapon skills are A LOT less than ones for warriors, which is the reason why guardians cannot output more damage.
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Dungeons, high level events, WvW, PvP………………… PVT works for all of them. for those who said PVT is useless in PvE, are you insane? YES you do need the health when you are in a dungeon, because you’re the one tanking the most. zerker guards are a joke.
Maybe you’re just playing zerker guard wrong. Wouldn’t surprise me.
Dungeons, high level events, WvW, PvP………………… PVT works for all of them. for those who said PVT is useless in PvE, are you insane? YES you do need the health when you are in a dungeon, because you’re the one tanking the most. zerker guards are a joke.
Gotta partially agree with him. Full zerker guards can’t hold aggro and survive while anchoring enemies, and that’s the main role of a Guardian. A Guardian can have high dps but muss always be able to protect allies and hold off enemies from fragile companions. If not, then why choose Guardian?
Obviously you can get a good PvE build around PVT stats, but I think you can get the best performance mixing things up (soldier and knight stats are my favorite)
Hammer prot? Mace regen? Area might? On-demand stability? Projectile reflect and constant condition removal? Being by default the tankiest class in the game, even before traits and equipment? DPS that exceeds warriors when built properly?
All seem like pretty good reasons to run guardian in a dungeon to me.
Guard outputting more dps then war? Have you played both guard and war? its impossible for a guard to output more damage than a warrior, so why the hell would you even attempt to? guard is NOT for dps, rather for being tanky and providing support. AFTER you are tanky then you start worrying about dps. cant just go all out dps, only relying on traits for support.
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Dungeons, high level events, WvW, PvP………………… PVT works for all of them. for those who said PVT is useless in PvE, are you insane? YES you do need the health when you are in a dungeon, because you’re the one tanking the most. zerker guards are a joke.
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Guardian is meant to be on the frontline. You don’t have ANY viable ranged options. I don’t even consider scepter worth the secondary slot, as I’d rather use mace/shield. Scepter bolts never hit the target, and when they do, the damage is so low that the enemy barely even notices. If you don’t have an organized guild out there, I’d recommend you run with something other then a guardian. Guards are decent for havoc squads because they can tank a lot of hits, but if its not organized, a guard would be pretty useless…
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any NA servers servers open? its barely ever open over here
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ehh Its not that bad. I like both the animations and ways they hold it up, but I dont have a preference to either of them… I guess its a personal thing then
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People keep saying that a guardian has its own advantages that replace requiring other abilities. thats such a load of bs… Just because my guardian can support the team decently doesnt mean it has to be deprived of some other basic abilities other classes have. My #1 concern is ranged weapons though. Of course melee weapons need to stay dominant on the class, but there is still ALWAYS a need for a decent ranged weapon. oh and if you’re one of those people who says scepter is decent, please do us all a favor and jump off a cliff
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just no… in PvE, scepter on guardian is just to have a ranged option, and staff almost completely useless in PvE. In PvP, scepter is useless when it comes to dps, and same goes for staff. In PvP many people use staff for its supportive abilities, but I honestly don’t find that worth having as a secondary. There are no viable guardian ranged builds at all. might as well use melee and run up to them and that’d always be more effective.
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lol full group of guardians sounds funny. A full group of warriors without a supportive class will cause problems no matter what dungeon the group is going into. They MAY be able to pull it off, but would nonetheless, will cause difficulty.
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Hammer too slow for me, I do GS and Scepter for range. I wouldnt use scepter if there was another option for long range but oh well lol
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Hammer actually does more damage than GS, but more damage OVERALL. Because the hammer has a pretty slow attack chain, GS will definitely be better in some situations where you simply can’t afford the time it takes to use a hammer. I mainly use GS in PvE, I have used the hammer as well though, but the fact that slot 3-4 are the only useful ones other then main attacks is kind of a turn of for me
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It works at melee range for me just fine with no problems. That 600 range it claims to have is BS though, so don’t even bother with that. But when it comes to melee I don’t see why it wouldn’t work for you
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Yeah depends on what you prefer. I made a guardian because I’m usually playing a supportive role in almost all games I play, not only MMOs, but RTS and FPS as well. Guardian can support your team whether it be in a dungeon or in WvW, and they can also do a decent amount of damage. Supportive boons guardian offers are mostly to improve fighting and keep the team alive longer. Although worth noting is that a lot of people don’t always realize that they’re getting boons from a guardian near them, and those people usually hate on guards lol
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I know I made my female guardian have white hair because I thought it matches the cool look of a guardian, if that makes sense… May change it soon though
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Actually when I think about it, these “serious” and “competitive” teams are very specific on what they want in their teams and how they are structured. For example, I got denied by a team on my Guardian. And I also did AC on my guardian with 3 Eles and a Warrior. It just depends on the teams you’re joining and how they want it to be played out. That said…. There will also definitely be those biased and judgmental teams that you don’t even want to get into a dungeon with in the first place.
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You say Eles are told to go away? Try joining a serious team with an engineer….
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Only a Charr engineer will say “lock and load” when you pick up a bucket of water
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In the recent livestream (http://dulfy.net/2013/01/17/gw2-dev-livestream-jan-17-transcript/), the devs noted that they will be toning down AOE damage in favor of single-target damage.
“Reducing AoE effectiveness to bring them in line with the single target damage skills.”
“Major update coming to all the AoE skills – make classes that are good at single target damage stand out a bit more.”
It’s quite hilarious that at a time when mesmers and thieves are dominant, the devs are boosting single target damage. #wrongtarget
Lol so true, they say that AOEs need to be balanced, and aren’t saying jack crap about a thief being able to kill me in 1 strike. And they also address the Engineer as “a perfectly balanced class” MY kitten /p>
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Focus 5 give you protection from next 3 attacks, and its instant. So if you’re fast enough…
And thats part of the reason I almost always run with one out. Also because of those out of nowhere warriors that charge and quickness 100b you.
Anyways more on topic, i actually ran into an issue with this the other night with against a full zerker warrior. Hit me for 8k evisc and 1.8k auto attacks after. He would pop frenzy, the shout that adds 10stacks of vuln and then use axe2 for more vuln, evisc, then super high damage fast auto attacks. Ate my face before I knew what was going on.
The biggest thing i discovered from that is when you lose half your health in an instant like that, blow every single defensive skill you have, all your virtues, focus skills, anything you pretty much can. Because if you survive that initial burst you pretty much won the fight.
Yeah he was complaining about the thiefs OP singleshot abilities, not warrior
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Don’t worry guardians. Eles are the ones that are going to be nerfed to smithereens. oh yeah i wouldnt be surprised if they nerf engis some more too
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Idk what you guys are talking about…. I think longbow would fit in very well on a guardian. Hell I wouldnt mind if they took off both the scepter/staff and replaced them with longbow… as long as it has useful skills
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Focus 5 give you protection from next 3 attacks, and its instant. So if you’re fast enough…
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Yeah I’d like to know what the armor I’m buying looks like, especially since its worth a big shiny penny. but also — I don’t know if theres a way to do this or not, but the only option I see for picking up items from TP is the take all option. So if I bought stuff on one character and left it there. After coming back the next day on another character, I’m forced to take the stuff, although I’d rather leave it for the other character. They should add an option where you choose what items to take and what to not take.
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Totally agree. small things like this would make it A LOT more convenient for the player. Just because I’m looking a different direction doesn’t mean I want to change targets. clicking on a target should be enough for locking on…
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You wouldn’t believe how many times I’ve died because of this in WvW lol. support
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Haven’t played on an ele, but I can say for sure that I’d love to see new weapons on engi class. Many people claim engi is good for its versatility. It might be versatile, but whats the point of being able to handle many different scenarios when you’re doing nearly no damage at all? I think part of why they can’t do much damage is because of the lack of diversity in weapons. If you’re argument is towards engi kits, my response would be have you ever even used them? most are useless and the rest dont do nearly as much damage as they should.
EDIT: from livestream with Johanson:
(Host) – Engineer Grenade build was on the watch list before and it was changed accordingly. To be fair, the engineer is still awesome with the grenade build. (Colin) – yes that is what I run on my character and I agree.
We are looking at all professions at all times, we try not to just look at a single profession at any one time. That is a really dangerous thing to do and you are not look how it affects the entire game.
From the looks of this transcript, I don’t think they’re going to do many changes to the engi…
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Hammer. The autoattack + mighty blow are all you really need to power through most content. You can even kind of AoE grind with symbols, though not to the absurd extent of shortbow thieves.
Thanks for the tip.
Never tried the shortbow on the thief aside from infiltrating the environment. Yes.. I played around with their “5” still and it’s broken.
I’ve always wanted to feel for the Guardian as they feel like their in the shadow of the might Warrior, and they’re the class I’ve seen with hammers more than Greatswords.
Hammer is superior for multiple targets on Guardian.
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my play style is quite impressive. I often choose the path that spams the most grenades
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“At last, you know what it means to hate. Now you’re ready to be an Engineer.” – Braveheart (1995)
Engineer: “Why is the vitality gone?”
ANet: “Because it is a vile attribute that turns even the most respectable men into complete scoundrels.”
Engineer: “But why is the vitality gone?” – Pirates of the Caribbean : Curse of the Black Pearl (2003)
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So you’re saying they don’t care much about Mesmers either? cus its right next engineer lol.
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Yeah… I got stuck with a crap name because I was just checking if it was available or not. Apparently if its available it just goes on with it without second question. I’m sure they’ll add it some time soon.
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Keep friends alive longer and make it more convenient for them in a dungeon. Thats how I usually think when I lay out skills before going in a dung. And also don’t forget guardian can do some major damage if you chose the right skills. Usually composes of 2 support “shouts” Signet of Mercy to revive a downed player easily, and elite skill depends on dung. Just see whatever works out best for yourself
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Possibly some caster that wears heavy armor? sounds like the start of an idea
Sounds like Guardian.
My main is a guardian, and by no means does it even have the chance of being a caster… Have you never used ranged weapons on a guardian? yeah tell me what you think about it. Especially when comparing it to a warriors rilfe/longbow,
Yeah, but that’s a bad implementation. It’s still the concept.
Doesnt seem to me as they were intending guardian to be a caster, or else they wouldve tried harder
Sure SEEMS like they use a bunch of magic all the time.
All of their melee weapons use magic in the process, torch uses magical fire, nearly all of their utilities are magical in nature…
Just because they use magic doesnt call them a caster… Compare to casters in game such as necros or eles….. no similarity at all
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Yeah I think this would add a lot more variety in the game. I’d like an update like this
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Possibly some caster that wears heavy armor? sounds like the start of an idea
Sounds like Guardian.
My main is a guardian, and by no means does it even have the chance of being a caster… Have you never used ranged weapons on a guardian? yeah tell me what you think about it. Especially when comparing it to a warriors rilfe/longbow,
Yeah, but that’s a bad implementation. It’s still the concept.
Doesnt seem to me as they were intending guardian to be a caster, or else they wouldve tried harder
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Possibly some caster that wears heavy armor? sounds like the start of an idea
Sounds like Guardian.
My main is a guardian, and by no means does it even have the chance of being a caster… Have you never used ranged weapons on a guardian? yeah tell me what you think about it. Especially when comparing it to a warriors rilfe/longbow,
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I can agree with many of these. I’d really like it if they added rifle or longbow to guardians weapons. Even if they removed both staff and scepter from guardian, I still wouldnt mind…
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Possibly some caster that wears heavy armor? sounds like the start of an idea
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