Guild Wars 2

yes theyre meant to help the enemy identify what weapon you’re using, but does it have to be the same size as my character?

sniper rifle sounds way out of the engi style… maybe a long range bazooka to match the missile turret??

When I said tanky DPS, I meant the build must be tanky, but also have acceptable DPS. I know very well that you must sacrifice one for the other. im not really talking about fractals specifically, but more like dungeons in general. im not new to the engi class, so theres no need for a sophisticated explanation of a build, just a general idea works.

Yobculture.5786:

Maiden England.3491:

IM SICK AND TIRED OF MY PARTY TELLING ME IM NOT TANKY ENOUGH. seriously…. everyone in my party ALWAYS expects the engi to be tanky. I usually run rifle power builds with toolkit/grenades depending on the situation, so I’m not familiar WHATSOEVER with any engi tanky builds. I am able to play with p/p condi builds, but i just dont find them as fun. does anyone have any tanky builds that can shut these people up? my main is a guard, i know what tanky is and how its played, just cant find a half decent build of it for engi. im a bit short on money, but i can probably buy runes as well as a full set, without trinkets. if the build is really tanky but doesnt use rifle, FINE BY ME. as long as its tanky and does decent damage

FT with rifle and Knight’s gear is pretty good so I’ve heard (check nakoda’s thread).

thanks, ill look into this a bit more

IM SICK AND TIRED OF MY PARTY TELLING ME IM NOT TANKY ENOUGH. seriously…. everyone in my party ALWAYS expects the engi to be tanky. I usually run rifle power builds with toolkit/grenades depending on the situation, so I’m not familiar WHATSOEVER with any engi tanky builds. I am able to play with p/p condi builds, but i just dont find them as fun. does anyone have any tanky builds that can shut these people up? my main is a guard, i know what tanky is and how its played, just cant find a half decent build of it for engi. im a bit short on money, but i can probably buy runes as well as a full set, without trinkets. if the build is really tanky but doesnt use rifle, FINE BY ME. as long as its tanky and does decent damage

Zedd.8239:

Maiden England.3491:

People talking about tomes as if they’re the best thing that ever happened… The amount of time they last vs the cooldown simply makes them not worth it for me. Even if you’re running small group wvw, there are more useful things you can do to help your team.

I’m pretty sure no one is saying that tomes are the “best thing that ever happened.” We are, however, saying that they aren’t “useless” and can be very powerful if used in the right situations.

Yes but the right situation is so seldom that it’s not worth a slot. Renewed focus can be used at any time as is also an extra skill for survivability.

People talking about tomes as if they’re the best thing that ever happened… The amount of time they last vs the cooldown simply makes them not worth it for me. Even if you’re running small group wvw, there are more useful things you can do to help your team.

Only reason id prefer a weapon rather than a kit is for more diverse builds. What we have going on right now is kind of lame :/

I’d like symbols to be more effective… Even if you have all the traits to buff symbols, theyre still not very effective. It’s bad enough that symbols are stationary, but enemies walk over them taking little to none damage. If symbols are meant to supply boons, then they don’t do a very good job of it. Needs to be more than just a half second of a boon. I’d like it so that when I drop a symbol, the team actually knows to stack to get a boon before going in.

I have both Condi and zerker gear, I just find myself using zerker a lot more often.

I’d say you just get the runes later when you have money to spare. Zerker is real good for running cof p1, but it’s unreasonable for other things.

Going full damage is just a lot more versatile imo

Castaliea.3156:

Can someone help explain this to me as I haven’t played in a while?

Last time I checked it was;
Warriors always wanted for dungeon DPS.
Warriors always wanted in WvW for mass CC.
(never heard a gripe about warrior in sPvP)

When did the Warrior go from ANet’s “example of a balanced, good place profession used as a standard” to literally everyone “omg we sux so hard we can’t do anything. We worst class out there!”

What changed? What go nerfed really bad? It had to be something that completely changed the profession. That or the Warrior forum community changed.

Warriors are still the most sought for when doing most dungeons. Banner support is what they’re used for in wvw over here, and they aren’t the best in PvP, but not as bad as some people say.

its an aoe that takes a decent amount of time to detonate. no need to nerf it, if the opponent doesnt dodge the aoe theyre probably just stupid

if this is true, i wonder: why would you bring it up?

repairing siege would be great… would love to hear a commander yelling “quick! engis repair that treb!” that would be awesome

kiba.2768:

Harbinger.8637:

Kain Francois.4328:

What does Sword 1h do? Is it ever justified?

1h is the highest single target weapon we have. You can argue and say scepter is, but until they fix the scepter’s auto speed. I’m going to say no.

i think scepter is the highest single target dps for a stationary target. otherwise the prize goes to 1hs

scepters shots dont always land though.

kurtosis.9526:

Maiden England.3491:

kurtosis.9526:

foofad.5162:

I don’t recommend going with +healing gear as a guardian, because of scaling issues and various other concerns.

Definitely don’t go Healing Power as a Guardian, and especially not in WvW. Clerics Gear is terribad, only noobs run it.

There is actually a new build going around that uses clerics. its based on the healing on dodge trait. basically runes/traits/food give you full endurance at all times, and with clerics you can heal around 2k health per dodge. its still very experimental, but interesting.

I was being sarcastic. That build you’re referring to isn’t new, has been known and used almost since launch, it’s just that nobody talks about it for two reasons:

1. It’s optimal for Zerg vs Zerg, not so much for other stuff. It’s probably the best ZvZ guardian build available, but there are better builds for dungeons, sPvP, even organized GvG that are also almost as good for ZvZ. Most players go with one of those for more general-purpose all-around play.

2. Those hardcore WvW’ers running it in ZvZ don’t want to see it coming at them in enemy zergs, so they keep quiet about it.

There’s also a roaming/1v1 version called Healway you can see in action if you search for it on Youtube.

But yeah, HP, particularly Cleric’s gear, is strong on Guardians and a perfectly viable gearing option.

also i might add thakittens not as versatile as other builds. you can use ptv effectively for pretty much anything, not the same for clerics

Lighter.5631:

Maiden England.3491:

Lighter.5631:

Maiden England.3491:

Lighter.5631:

Maiden England.3491:

Kwll.1468:

Sword is fine as a weapon. Its the best 1h main hand for a single target dps build because of the teleport and the rapid attacks will proc burning off of justice a lot. The autoattack can also hit 3 people if they are lined up right. It’s a niche weapon. All weapons are not meant to be equally effective in all situations.

only reason i’d use a sword is so i can have a defensive offhand. i dont use it because i like it, rather because its the only viable option. yes teleport is nice but sword 3 is a bit crappy

sword 3? crappy? lol if you don’t want it, i’d take it any time on my warrior.

hits only slightly higher than its auto, and its projectile block is so unreliable its not even funny. id trade most warrior skills for it

projectile block unreliable? ill tell you whats unreliable. sure get that amazing leap and that amazing cripple not just one of them but both, ill have that unreliable guardian sword 3 lolol. hope you enjoy getting shot down in mid air or that melee range single cripple lol

are you kidding me? im not even making this up… its common knowlege that the projectile block on sword 3 doesnt work half the time. ive been using sword for the past 2 months as my secondary….. by no means am i inexperienced with it

Sure, take it take that amazing leap that gets you shot down in mid air everytime you use it, or that melee range single cripple which is definitely way more reliable then blocking projectiles while throwing out projectiles at the same time, according to you

How about you take a fully geared guardian into wvw with a sword and then come back and tell me what’s what. You obviously haven’t tried it enough.

Lighter.5631:

Maiden England.3491:

Lighter.5631:

Maiden England.3491:

Kwll.1468:

Sword is fine as a weapon. Its the best 1h main hand for a single target dps build because of the teleport and the rapid attacks will proc burning off of justice a lot. The autoattack can also hit 3 people if they are lined up right. It’s a niche weapon. All weapons are not meant to be equally effective in all situations.

only reason i’d use a sword is so i can have a defensive offhand. i dont use it because i like it, rather because its the only viable option. yes teleport is nice but sword 3 is a bit crappy

sword 3? crappy? lol if you don’t want it, i’d take it any time on my warrior.

hits only slightly higher than its auto, and its projectile block is so unreliable its not even funny. id trade most warrior skills for it

projectile block unreliable? ill tell you whats unreliable. sure get that amazing leap and that amazing cripple not just one of them but both, ill have that unreliable guardian sword 3 lolol. hope you enjoy getting shot down in mid air or that melee range single cripple lol

are you kidding me? im not even making this up… its common knowlege that the projectile block on sword 3 doesnt work half the time. ive been using sword for the past 2 months as my secondary….. by no means am i inexperienced with it

Lighter.5631:

Maiden England.3491:

Kwll.1468:

Sword is fine as a weapon. Its the best 1h main hand for a single target dps build because of the teleport and the rapid attacks will proc burning off of justice a lot. The autoattack can also hit 3 people if they are lined up right. It’s a niche weapon. All weapons are not meant to be equally effective in all situations.

only reason i’d use a sword is so i can have a defensive offhand. i dont use it because i like it, rather because its the only viable option. yes teleport is nice but sword 3 is a bit crappy

sword 3? crappy? lol if you don’t want it, i’d take it any time on my warrior.

hits only slightly higher than its auto, and its projectile block is so unreliable its not even funny. id trade most warrior skills for it

Kwll.1468:

Sword is fine as a weapon. Its the best 1h main hand for a single target dps build because of the teleport and the rapid attacks will proc burning off of justice a lot. The autoattack can also hit 3 people if they are lined up right. It’s a niche weapon. All weapons are not meant to be equally effective in all situations.

only reason i’d use a sword is so i can have a defensive offhand. i dont use it because i like it, rather because its the only viable option. yes teleport is nice but sword 3 is a bit crappy

kurtosis.9526:

foofad.5162:

I don’t recommend going with +healing gear as a guardian, because of scaling issues and various other concerns.

Definitely don’t go Healing Power as a Guardian, and especially not in WvW. Clerics Gear is terribad, only noobs run it.

There is actually a new build going around that uses clerics. its based on the healing on dodge trait. basically runes/traits/food give you full endurance at all times, and with clerics you can heal around 2k health per dodge. its still very experimental, but interesting.

dont get all titty, the nerf barely changed a thing. the projectile block was so unreliable anyways. but yes, as a 1 hander sword should be more mobile than it is right now

Senticon.3452:

Another baby Guardian needs advices =)
So, I have ele lvl 80 for PvE/WvW, and I wanted some PvE/PvP class,
Guardian is a best choice for me I guess. For now, I’m learning this class and mostly
focused to PvE. I want tanky/warrior-like build, and I’m stuck with weapon selection.
I like how hammer looks, but it completely sucks compared to greatsword, my lower lvl greatsword does 2-3 times more damage than hammer, it’s not usefull or I miss something?… As second weapon set, I’m pretty much sure with Mace+Shield, still some tips would be great. In traits I planned 10/0/30/30/0, but after closer look and forced to go with greatsword as main weapon, seems I’ll have to go 30/0/10/30/0. How good/bad is it? With utility skills I’m not sure yet, haven’t even half of them, and unable to test, so
this is outta discussions for now.

guardians shine with Altruistic Healing (AH) because it lets them heal tons of amounts. so standard build for that is 0/0/30/30/10. guardians generally dont invest in the zeal traitline since it doesnt give back as much as the rest do. almost all guardians hate hammer if theyre already used to greatsword. thing is you have to get used to its playstyle, which is completely different, and then you will be able to do more damage with it than with greatsword. hammer #2 and #4 can do massive amounts of damage. greatsword is better for mobility and 1v1 situations, whereas hammer is for CC and multiple targets. both of them work in both scenarios, but each one is more suited than the other.

Yeah I haven’t seen that around over here. my main is a guardian so I’m off to a good start when it comes to countering thieves :P. thanks for all the builds guys, im probably combining Rozbuskas build and Amadeuss explosive toolkit build to make something a bit in between.

I have the same question. I can’t find the matchups at all….

PTV is definitely the way to go in wvw. It’s a bit more complicated in pve. Do you usually run dungeons with uncoordinated pugs? Then stick with the ptv. Running with well planned guildies? Run with full zerker. Pretty much standard guardian AH build is 0/0/30/30/10. You test weapons out yourself and see which one works best with you. I use gs as primary and scepter/torch as secondary. Scepter is just incase you HAVE to attack ranged. You should always melee as a guard if given the chance. Guards range dps is garbage.

AH when you’re zerging and MF when you’re soloing. Even if there are only a few friendlies around you AH should suffice… MF does tons of healing but rarely are you ever alone when you’re in wvw. Always at least another 2 guys with you.

I finally hit 80, so now I’m looking on how to gear my engi. I’m mostly going to be doing wvw on it, roaming/havocing. to my understanding, condition damage engis do the best damage/tanking wise, correct me if im wrong. so if a more experienced engi would be so kind as to show their build, itd be much appreciated, thanks!

heals… heals everywhere

Carighan.6758:

MonMalthias.4763:

The fact that you would not support more weapon options for Engineers is baffling.

So is the fact that you’d prefer more broken and unbalanced skill and traits over fixing the existent ones. Apparently.

Really, the devs have plenty work cut out for them, and we (as a class) have plenty room to grow. Just from bugs and quirks and them hopefully getting fixed eventually.

The devs have plenty of work cut out for them is not an excuse. The reason they should add more instead of fix is because tons of the existent traits are completely useless. Not because they’re weak or bugged, only because theyre not even useful. 3 weapons is ridiculous. We need more variety. Kits are great and all, but theyre so inflexible. I want more variety in my builds. The way it is right now we are given a few options. Variety is something I expect in all professions, no matter what.

Omg I so agree on the hobosack thing… They look so darn ugly but have no choice but to use them. I don’t like how we have to look ugly to use a kit. Why don’t they actually make kits look cool?

It’s obvious that some fights require scepter, no ones arguing against that. The complaint here is of players who use scepter as a primary, even for fights that would clearly be quicker if they used melee

cant wait to get that green keep vista in ebg. thats all ive been missing for like 2 months

Mordon Darkstar.8425:

Well props to SoR for the past 4-5 hours I’ve been on, you guys are pushing big this week ! My favourite moment of the night was our JQ group ninja capping SM whilst you were attacking BG’s keep Our ownership lasted all of 5 mins but still

Seriously hope JQ can get just a few more peeps back in WvW to compete with SoR & BG. We’ve had the outmanned buff on all borderlands and EB for most of the past week or two (at least when I’m playing – EU time)

See you out there !

thats how its been in sor for a while…. so now you know how it feels

why are you guys bashing on the OP? he just posted a thread about his personal opinion of the classes. you may think differently, as I, of a class or two than he does, but you still get the kittening point…

koroshi.2658:

I stream engi wvw every day, actually most of my viewers want to see engi only. Altho I am a solo roaming engi, so no group/zerg play here.

for some reason, of which I REALLY don’t know why… engi is good for roaming/small havoc teams. They don’t provide much to a zerg, but still good for those small teams. But what about everything else? we suck balls.

amonian.3596:

recently i transfer to sor from kaineng and playing asian prime time.
sor is very weak ocean and asian time. we need more oceasin lol.

go sor.

what are you talking about? we are weak NA time and strong during oceanic… HIRE, NYS, TSYM….. all raid during oceanic

not easy to 1v1 on guardian unless you were planning for it. usually guards run AH, and thats pretty useless in a 1v1 scenario. i havent had much experience with it, but theres a tricky build out there that involves full zerker gear with greatsword/sword focus, also uses monks focus with meditations for heals. that monks focus thing heals tons…. though if you’re not used to playing zerker guard, you’ll probably die a lot. needs lots of getting used to. you could probably pull it off with PVT gear, it really depends on what your opponent is running. bottom line is guardian isnt the ideal class for 1v1…

you didnt use FT #2 enough lol

Ezeriel.9574:

I agree with the OP, that even in WvW, engineers are bad.

This class is in such a sad state, I am amazed to see that anyone still plays it. Grenades should rule WvW, but if you spec for grenades you are possibly the biggest freekill in the game.

It wasn’t always this bad. Before, if you came under fire, you could pop elixirgun for the KR cleanse/heal and run for it. Now, who cares?…

It is so bad as a grenade engineer, that as soon as you realize how much you suck, you just throw your hands up and log off.

You have no good escapes, no good condition removals, no anything, that is going to give you the tools, needed to live long enough, in order to fight back against a melee class running circles around you, that you can’t hit with a fricken grenade.

There are all these little clever things that sound good on paper, but in practice don’t work for squat, or can’t be put on your toolbar, because there’s no room.

And it’s not like you can just swap to rifle or pistols… the engineer class, more than any other, specs for one weapon, at the expense of everything else.

On my ranger, the trait that lets arrows pierce drives me nuts, because it does nothing when I switch to my greatsword. If I use my longbow, and want the extra range, that’s two wasted traits… so annoying.

But on my engineer. I have bleeding/burning explosions, 10% more damage with explosions, extra range with grenades, faster run speed with kits, and elixir S for when I get ambushed because I can’t see anything behind me while using the stupid grenades…

…and I swap to rifle/pistol/flamethrower/elixirgun/toolkit? and do what? I have nothing that applies any of those weapons, and 3 out of 5 of my traits are worthless, maybe 4.

And even now, it feels like everything is broken. My personal favorite is the trait Rifled Barrels, which is just supposed to increase range, but it also “Tranquilizer Dart: Reduces Bleed Duration by 25% but increases the Weakness Duration by 200%.” and “Elixir F: Increases Swiftness and Cripple Durations by 166%. "

…it just never ends.

although i dont want to, i have to agree with you. this class is at a very bad state at the moment. people just dont understand that the somewhat positive things this class has to offer are almost always outdone by other classes. i honestly think that anet only cares how engi performs in spvp. dont think theyre even aware of how much theyve hindered engi in pve and wvw through their nerfs.

maybe even if there were 2 separate weapons like shotgun/rifle. it is a bit odd though that engi rifle has a bunch of close ranged skills, yet one of the attacks can reach up to 1200… if rifle #1 was changed so that it was a very strong auto attack at 600 range, i’d be alright with that.

as these guys said, zerker may be ideal in a perfect scenario, which nearly never happens.

Let me remind you gentlemen that though zerker guardians do more damage, PVT gear still does some decent damage as well. So you’d be contributing somewhat decent dps as well as tanking the entire dungeon.

Aeolus.3615:

yes guardians are eveywhere!
thats why im running atm on thief and necro

well theres nothing wrong with there being a lot of guardians, since theyre useful for nearly everything

wow after all this time scepter is finally getting projectile buff…. cant wait!

Bloodgruve.6038:

Maiden England.3491:

zerker guards are a joke.

That’s interesting because I feel that comfy PVT guards are a joke in PvE…

If you want to sit there all fat on hp and armor, full health all the time wasting potential DPS and wasting the time of your group then I guess that’s how you want to play.

I’d like to caution the OP here, and this is from experience, a full set of PVT will be rotting in the bank at some point. I’ve 3 man’d a lot of dungeon content with mostly full Zerker gear without issue. I run with another guard, he’s full Zerker also, runs 12.5k HP and he is front line melee and he survives it.

Gear to where you’re comfortable, just don’t be afraid to run some DPS gear over PVT.

@ the war vs guard DPS argument, post your numbers or formulas, speculation is not fact. Screen shots of 100b or WW alone is not proof.

didn’t see this post til now. your argument of guards base dps being higher is just as empty as mine. and having played both guard and war, from personal experience, without research or formulas, using the same gear, warrior and guardian do not even hit near the same dps as eachother…. you think guardian is just a warrior with defensive skills? its a bit more complicated than that.

ArcTheFallen.7682:

Maiden England.3491:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Maiden England.3491:

Sorem.9157:

Maiden England.3491:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Maiden England.3491:

Bloodgruve.6038:

Maiden England.3491:

zerker guards are a joke.

That’s interesting because I feel that comfy PVT guards are a joke in PvE…

If you want to sit there all fat on hp and armor, full health all the time wasting potential DPS and wasting the time of your group then I guess that’s how you want to play.

I’d like to caution the OP here, and this is from experience, a full set of PVT will be rotting in the bank at some point. I’ve 3 man’d a lot of dungeon content with mostly full Zerker gear without issue. I run with another guard, he’s full Zerker also, runs 12.5k HP and he is front line melee and he survives it.

Gear to where you’re comfortable, just don’t be afraid to run some DPS gear over PVT.

@ the war vs guard DPS argument, post your numbers or formulas, speculation is not fact. Screen shots of 100b or WW alone is not proof.

If by PvE you mean killing boars in queensdale, then no, you don’t need PVT. When I say PvE, I mean doing dungeons like SE, CoF, Arah, Fractals, and CoE. If you go into one of those dungeons with a party, you’re expected to do most if not all the tanking. A zerker guard would do as much tanking as a warrior. The reason I run PVT is not so I have full health, rather so I’m not on the ground, being a pain in the butt to my team, throughout the whole dungeon.

You need PVT to survive in SE or CoF? Lol.

If I’m the only guardian in the party, yes I do.

Pretty sure a zerker Guardian can tank a lot more than a Warrior.

If you need PVT to tank CoF, you’re doing it wrong, Guardian is probably not your class. I tank it just fine with zerker, while being the only Guardian in the group.

been playing guard since release, i think i know that class pretty well…..

Then why do you need PVT for CoF?

You all seem to be so hard headed on PVT being useless in pve and zerker being the way to go. I’ll go try it once more and see how it goes. no hard feelings

I think the more objective summary is that zerker fans do not think you really need PVT. No content really (except higher level fractals maybe) really requires heavy builds of PVT to survive. Learning the mechanics, you can easily anticipate dodges and zerk your way through. Given all the defensive boons, you it’s even more forgiving to be zerk with guard as opposed to other classes.

I think both sides are arguing for two different kinds of play.

There’s solo play (aka every man for himself not necessarily soloing a dungeon) and then there’s team play.

PVT or cleric’s or more defensive stats with a guard, will most likely allow you to anchor (not having to dodge) and take on enemies more easier thus allowing your party more freedom to make mistakes / survive. This only really works if you have aggro on you — and we all know how reliable some aggro AIs are (some aren’t really reliable). Investing in healing power can help support party self-heals and boon duration is always a plus.

Zerker gear will allow you to be more effective as a player. If everybody in the party can handle themselves, this should be the most effective way to go (because bosses are just a dps check most of the time).

I think both sides have valid points. I honestly can’t go back to anything other than zerker because I like seeing the highest damage I can output and I’d rather just hope players can handle themselves in a tough fight.

It really depends on how you view party mates. If you want to help them, going more tanky never hurts. If you want to work with them and know they can take care of themselves, you can give up your armor stats for more effective damage output.

Yes, of course this is all assuming you have a team good enough in CoF for example to take down slave driver quickly. I usually go in CoF with pugs that take 7 mins to kill slave driver while I’m tanking the whole time. You can’t just learn the game and dodge your way through all the hits, I do the dodging, AS WELL as use PVT.

I used to be the same exact way. Idk what happened but I just don’t see it anymore. the highest profession made is warrior and second highest is guardian, third being ele. I don’t remember where I saw this but it was some chart anet released. I do understand what you mean though… It is a bit wired, but not really true.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Maiden England.3491:

Sorem.9157:

Maiden England.3491:

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Maiden England.3491:

Bloodgruve.6038:

Maiden England.3491:

zerker guards are a joke.

That’s interesting because I feel that comfy PVT guards are a joke in PvE…

If you want to sit there all fat on hp and armor, full health all the time wasting potential DPS and wasting the time of your group then I guess that’s how you want to play.

I’d like to caution the OP here, and this is from experience, a full set of PVT will be rotting in the bank at some point. I’ve 3 man’d a lot of dungeon content with mostly full Zerker gear without issue. I run with another guard, he’s full Zerker also, runs 12.5k HP and he is front line melee and he survives it.

Gear to where you’re comfortable, just don’t be afraid to run some DPS gear over PVT.

@ the war vs guard DPS argument, post your numbers or formulas, speculation is not fact. Screen shots of 100b or WW alone is not proof.

If by PvE you mean killing boars in queensdale, then no, you don’t need PVT. When I say PvE, I mean doing dungeons like SE, CoF, Arah, Fractals, and CoE. If you go into one of those dungeons with a party, you’re expected to do most if not all the tanking. A zerker guard would do as much tanking as a warrior. The reason I run PVT is not so I have full health, rather so I’m not on the ground, being a pain in the butt to my team, throughout the whole dungeon.

You need PVT to survive in SE or CoF? Lol.

If I’m the only guardian in the party, yes I do.

Pretty sure a zerker Guardian can tank a lot more than a Warrior.

If you need PVT to tank CoF, you’re doing it wrong, Guardian is probably not your class. I tank it just fine with zerker, while being the only Guardian in the group.

been playing guard since release, i think i know that class pretty well…..

Then why do you need PVT for CoF?

You all seem to be so hard headed on PVT being useless in pve and zerker being the way to go. I’ll go try it once more and see how it goes. no hard feelings