Guild Wars 2

Delayed to the weekend after this one.
Week of Sat, December 14.

Still looking for Staff Bunker and Frost Bow Burst.

Tarkan.5609:

yeah I’ll probably go for a mix between berserkers and clerics – although after the dec 10th I won’t have perma vigor anymore
but then I’ll go for 0/15/0/25/30 and with healing signet (just love that passive)

Renewing Stamina will remain adept after the dec 10 patch.
You will still have Perma Vigor.

Where does one see these new Healing Skills?

I’ve discussed 4-5 new D/D builds in this thread
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/ELEtism-Discussion-1-Losing-Arcane

Anicetus.1253:

Just that D/D sucks for roaming or in smallscale. And it doesn’t promote high speed play, just flats out the skill level required to bash low skill players.

I have commanded with my Support D/D Elementalist build and have been extremely efficient in doing so.

I have always found D/D to be less button mashy and more of a solid and fluid playstyle. I’ve noticed the S/D merely provides more utility (blinds, blast finishers, heals)

Has anyone ever thought of this:

A staff Elementalist who has traited into Arcane Surge:
Based on your current attunement, arcane skills cause a condition to foes that they hit.
Fire Attunement -Burning: 5 s (1640 damage)
Water Attunement- Chilled: 3 s
Air Attunement- Blind: 5 s
Earth Attunement- Immobilized: 1 s

This Staff Elementalist could drop down a Meteor Shower, switch into Earth, and pop Arcane Power.

This would immobilize anyone who gets hit by a meteor shower and prevent them from escaping.

Mochann.5298:

Have to ask — why are you forcing yourself to lose Arcane? If you put 30 points in it anyway, the trait reshuffling won’t matter, right?

Anyway for me, I only play with 20 arcane, happy that I can bump it down to 10 arcane, since I only use 20 for Blasting Staff. Now I can get it with 10.

I’m not forcing myself to lose arcane. I am observing other possible opportunities for builds with the upcoming patch.

This patch will lower the general attunement cooldown for attunement swap which will make it less required.

As of right now I have 943.

feliscatus.1430:

oh for some reason thought that was getting moved/nerfed. Regardless, will prolly keep 10 in arcana.

Agreed, the bonus vigor is quite nice.

What good is a fire shield though?
How effective is it?

I’ll have Unlimited level 80’s!
Yay for having 20 Level 80 Elementalists!
:)

Disregard everything that I have said.
I thought you were asking for a WvW Build.

I’m saying take Air Training, Arcane Lightning, and Bolt to the Heart.
You don’t need any of the grandmaster traits.

Oh and you can cast meteor shower and lava font then Switch to Air for the bonus 10% damage.

This.
Stupid Implementation.

Fire’s Embrace When you activate a signet, you gain a fire shield.
Does Fire’s Embrace proc with:

Powerful Auras?
Zephyr’s Boon?
Elemental Shielding?

I’ve been playing Elementalist for 4000 hours.
I am still not tired of it… and just yesterday I learned a new trick I could use in PvP.
There are so many ways to refine yourself while playing the Elementalist I don’t think I will ever have a chance to play any other classes.

Wintel.4873:

Mash Hog.5672:

If you are running a staff then you shouldn’t normally be within 600 range of the target.
As a staff you should be far away from most of the devastation meaning you won’t be taking much damage and your health would usually be over 90%.

This makes Vital Striking the obvious choice.

You’re welcome!
Next?

So I take Vital Striking, that still leaves the question of 30 Air vs Stone Splinters. I can pick 2 out of the 3 things I listed, you named 1 :P

It’s really hard to determine whether the +10% crit/damage (all the time) is better or worse than +10% flat damage (within range). The “Real Staff Build For Manly Men” thread here: http://www.guildwars2guru.com/topic/85568-lh-is-the-new-bearbow-the-real-staff-dps-build-for-manly-men/
^ That guy goes for 20 Air + Stone Splinters + Vital Striking.

The build is made for Dungeons in which all of the mobs are stacked together and they have a dedicated healer, blocks, ect.
If you are a staff ele and you are within 600 distance of an enemy zerg, you deserve to die.

My appologies.
I HIGHLY suggest taking 30 in Air.
I thought that this was a given.
Take Bolt to the Heart and Air Training if you haven’t taken it already.

RoRo.8270:

Mash Hog.5672:

They suspended me for “Gasmic” too.
Makes me want to quit.

I mean honestly… what even IS a Gasmic?

Probably similar to orgasmic anet bans innocent players that think they are trying to work around their inappropriate name policy but they aren’t. My war was banned for Rapid Penetration

This made me giggle uncontrollably at work.

Use ER in the middle of their Burst.
Use ER in the middle of their Heal.
Use ER while they Dodge.
Use ER they are running away.
Use ER while they’re chilled/crippled.
Use ER while they’re CC’d.
Use ER when you’re half way across the map.
Use ER after they’re dead.

All these are suitable times to use ER.

Well in my experience as an Elementalist, in most cases the only time I die is when I get majorly locked down and bursted. Otherwise I’m usually at full health.
When I’m attacking from full health the signet is pretty wasted.
Thats why I take the Renewal; the burst healing is amazing and the 1-2 pulses I can get before getting interrupted is usually enough to last me through till the cooldown runs out again.
15 Seconds is an amazingly short cooldown.

The way I play, the only time I’m taking damage is when I’m about to die in which time the signet isn’t really helping me much.

I’m sure it is different from build to build though

feliscatus.1430:

I’ll be trying fresh air with diamond skin and vigorous scepter first thing double asap.

-Siz

Why not Renewing Stamina?
If it’s a crit build, with Renewing Stamina you can keep Perma Vigor (2x faster than vigorous scepter)

They suspended me for “Gasmic” too.
Makes me want to quit.

I mean honestly… what even IS a Gasmic?

Would we be able to make any of these DPS builds?

If you are running a staff then you shouldn’t normally be within 600 range of the target.
As a staff you should be far away from most of the devastation meaning you won’t be taking much damage and your health would usually be over 90%.

This makes Vital Striking the obvious choice.

You’re welcome!
Next?

I have come to a tentative date for this event for this coming weekend.

Sat, Dec 07 3PM PST.

Please continue listing your builds, available times, and your interests!

Whenever I played Bunker Elementalist in PvP for my team, I ALWAYS used Clerics. I use Clerics in certain Fractals as well.

Remember, your Healing Power not only effects you, but also your team.
Vitality only effects you.

I think roaming the open world needs to be harder.
Significantly increase waypoint costs, make mobs spawn and hit harder.
Make it so that to get around the world you need a half decent party.

Make it that much harder, but that much rewarding!

Marcos.3690:

I think dps builds should keep 10 points in arcana: CD-wise and also the fury on swap is a must-have!

I agree; the 10 points for Vigor and Fury is well worth it and should find it’s way into most builds.

For a few extra points you can have Miley Cyrus riding on it:
+500 damage to keeps and towers

oZii.2864:

The reason elementalist dodge so much is renewing staming + boon duration via arcana and or runes. EA isn’t why people dodge so much EA is why people dodge not to avoid damage. Renewing stamina is what allows people to dodge offensively or defensively. soothing disruption is icing on top of icing on the cake and can’t keep up with NOT having renewing stamina.

I also wouldn’t call D/D bunker just because you put 30 in water. +200 power via stats is alot of non bunker damage.

This also depends on runes if you wanted to grab boon duration runes for 45% gives you 4.35 secs of protection on aura which I don’t think is worth it over grabbing more focused runes. If your dropping points from arcana completely I think it is better to grab other rune options over boon duration.

I would say your variation 1 is more dps than bunker. Using that template I would run it like.

20/20/10/20/0 W/E for the first trait, cleansing fire, Zephyr’s boon, bolt to the heart, stone splinters, cantrip mastery, and cleansing wave.

Sigil of energy over battle, runes forge(which are the best protection runes imo if your really want protection)? if you must run elemental shielding or 5/6 rune of earth. Other wise divinity or traveler depending on how much you really need the 6th piece from traveler. With stone splinters I would probably go with traveler in most cases.

Don’t see a reason to go 30 in water ever if you aren’t running elemental attunement and soothing disruption.

I call it bunker because I trait it with the amulet, runes, and sigils which allow it to bunker. I call it a bunker because it would play the role of a bunker in PvP. I agree though with the right traits it could be set as a balanced roaming class.

The AoE Auras are reason enough to put 30 into Water. The bonus boons are just bonus support.

EA is the reason people waste dodges, since we have removed EA, people won’t feel the need to waste as many dodges meaning they can use the dodges more defensively. I agree a build without renewing stamina won’t have as many dodges as one specced with it, but soothing disruption allows us to take advantage of vigor during a tough spot. The lack of evades though are probably something that we have to deal with if we don’t add to Arcana.

Asurmir.7956:

Variation 1. Total points: 80

Was a mistype: I fixed it.
I didn’t base my build around those 10 extra trait points :P

Reserved for Later.

Reserved for Later.

I want this thread to discuss how effective Arcane will be after the Dec 10 patch, what people normally use it for, and what we can use in place of Arcane.

Arcana
5: Fury on Attunement Swap
10: Vigor on Critical Hit
15: Lingering Elements (lOl)
20: Boon on Attunement Swap-
Might, Swiftness, Regeneration, Protection
25: Condition on Critical Hit
30: Skill used on Dodge -
Extra Heal and Extra Blast Finisher

Arcane Provides::
Faster Attunement Swapping
Fury, Might, Swiftness, Regeneration, Vigor, and Protection
Extra Heal and Extra Blast Finisher
Boon Duration

Notes:
The reason many Elementalists dodge so much is because of Evasive Arcana. When we don’t need to dodge to proc a skill, we are more likely to use the dodge to avoid damage. This might mean we wont need vigor as much as we need now.

Access to Protection, Swiftness, and Fury can by obtained by an Aura Elementalist by speccing 10 in Air and 10 in Earth.

Access to Vigor and Regeneration can be obtained by speccing 20 in Water and taking Cantrip utilities.

Might can be accessed by Might Stacking.

Now I can see the skeleton of a D/D build in the making.
0/10/10/20/0
Traits Used: 40
Traits Left: 30

It would use auras for the Protection, Fury, and Swiftness buffs.

Variation 1. Bunker Elementalist:

I could put 20 in Fire and 10 more in Earth.

20/10/20/20/0

I would take Burning Fire. (Use Cleansing Fire when you have 3+ conditions on you)
This keeps me from getting condition spammed, gives me Regeneration and Vigor.

I would add the extra 10 in Earth for Rock Solid.
This allows me to take Ether Renewal which improves my healing and Condition Clear.

Variation 2. Bunker Elementalist:

I would add 20 to Earth and 10 to Arcane:
0/10/30/20/10

I would add 20 in Earth for the Diamond Skin Trait.
This will make me pretty strong against lots of Condition spam enemies.

I would add the remaining 10 in Arcane.
The fury and the dodges from Arcane Precision would be pretty helpful while bunkering.

Variation 1. Roaming Aurashar Healing Support Elementalist:
I would add 20 to Earth and 10 to Water.

0/10/30/30/0

I would take Rock Solid and Diamond Skin.
Rock Solid would allow me to provide AoE Stability for stomping (and Ether Renewal) Diamond Skin would help me avoid an initial CC burst.
I would take Powerful Auras.

This would allow me to share my awesome boons (Protection, Fury, Swiftness) across the board during large team fights.
The auras themselves are pretty freaking amazing and are on a low cooldown.

Variation 2. Roaming Aurashare Support DPS Elementalist
I would add 20 to Air and 10 to Water.

0/30/10/30/0

I would take Powerful Auras for the boon/aurashare.

I would take Tempest Defense which would give me Shocking Aura every time I am CC’d. Tempest Defense would also proc with Powerful Auras providing bonus Fury, Swiftness, and Protection. Not to mention it would provide AoE Static Aura very often which would provide a LOT of CC to my team.

These are just rough skeletons of many builds that I have thought over. I know that these may need a lot of workovers and refinement. Not to mention that I’m doing these based on patch notes which haven’t even been released yet.

This thread has gotten away from me a little bit.

What I want to discuss is whether straying away from the Arcana trait-line would be a viable option.

Arcana provides us with the following bonuses:
Faster Attunement Swapping
Fury, Might, Swiftness, Regeneration, Vigor, and Protection
Extra Heal and Extra Blast Finisher
Boon Duration

1. What other ways can we get these bonuses without relying on Arcana?
2. Will it be better to obtain these bonuses using other trait trees?
3. How effective will these builds be?
4. Other thoughts and comments?

What do you guys think?

Join the ELEtism Community!

I’m based in Dragonbrand, but we’re spread out across all servers

I sent you a guild invite!
We’re planning to build a full person Elementalist team!

I’m going to be sending everyone here guild invites and private messages trying to figure out the best possible time to do this.

This is in NA.

Make sure to send me a mail in-game!
This will probably be over the weekend!

Or the target explodes into a bunch of a bunch of Nyan-Cats when you kill them with Bifrost!

Glenstorm.4059:

I wish I could spectate this

I will see if I can get this recorded/streamed.

That would be great! :P

Yes!
Elementalists are lacking poison!
We don’t need an internal cooldown because ele’s can only apply burning so many times and that it’s on a 30% chance.

I’d rather it be: Inflict Poison with burning: with an ICD.

What is FA?

Flame Axe?

Mel.8769:

My guild has been doing naked Wednesdays. This week it was naked jumping puzzles. :P

Haha, we used to do Naked WvW Zergs!

The elementalist is a very versatile class.
We can spec ourselves to be whatever we want:
Bunker, DPS, Roam, Support, Ect. and be effective with it.

I want to run with a team of 5 Elementalists.

What I’m looking for:
4 other Experienced Elementalists who can play one of (or more) of these roles:

D/D Support/Roam
D/D Burst
S/D Fresh Air Burst
x/F Bunker
Staff Nuke
Staff Bunker
Frost Bow Nuke (Maybe use the second Ice Bow)

I can play all of these roles other than the staff.

I am looking for experienced and FRIENDLY people to run these with.
I do not run with rude people.
I also require Teamspeak Voice Communication.

I believe this will be a good way to get a better understanding of my own class. Even after 4000 hours with my Elementalist, I feel that there are still areas in which I need improvement in.

If you’re interested, post on this thread with your in-game name and what role you can play.

Roster:

Gasmic: S/D Burst
S/F Frostbow Burst
D/D Elementalist (Not Sure of Role)

It would be nice to have a Staff Bunker.

Last slot could be filled with anything that fits in our group composition.

The thing I like about Elementalist is that we can spec for all sorts of things:

DPS, Bunker, Support, Roam, Burst…
ect.

That way we can have everyone be Elementalists but it won’t be stacked towards once playstyle which is something that happens when we have 5 of all one class.

I love playing Ele,
I have 3.8k hours on my Elementalist and 4k hours in the whole game.

I tried playing other classes… I always got bored.

Yes, it is going to be in my own Custom Arena.

When I saw this post from the front page I thought to myself
“Gee, it’d be funny if this guy is a necromancer!”

I looked at your post.
Then I loled.

Razor.6392:

Mash Hog.5672:

I solo’ed the Hybrid with my own Fresh Air/PvE build.

Edit: Might I add, without deaths!

Wait wtf is that supposed to be something to brag about? No offense because I constantly solo the instance without issue lol.

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