Guild Wars 2

KumaTazZ.8054:

Awkward moment when PvP players care about “skins” over “skills”.

This sickenss me. Dat fail argument: ur pvper, u only care for skill. So if i enjoy pvp much I can;t have a nice loking skins that are in the game i payed for? Coz im pvper and this should mean nothing to me? Strange, I don’t see pvper’s running in starter armors, all good combinations with nice weps…. hmmm…
If u think its skins over skills, u fail to understand what is this whole talk about. Completly clueless.

hooma.9642:

why would it break economy? u realize only a couple of players have high amount of wins on teamq or soloq. so the avg would maybe get ca. 200 gold, that he would prob. spend on t3 armor on the vendor. there isnt much over to explode the economy. a max. cap would prevent that a player gets to much to shake the economy by himself.

atm you had done better if all pvp players had played pve until 10.12 and then start to play pvp to benefit from gold reward and even higher rankpoints. is it that much to give pvp players gold they deserved to spend right at 10.12 at t3 vendor to buy the deserved skins and skillpoints?

on the other hand u need to think further. the more new skills coming the more its a slap in the face for pvp player. they get a small amount of gold and need to spend it for char-bound skillpoints to unlock skills, where a pve-player gets skillpoints for free and saves his gold. yes gw1 had the same system, but there where the skills accountbound and not charbound. so the next months every pvp players saves up gold after 10.12 to spend it later on new skills. so why not give them a starting base of gold they deserved? the same goes with rank points.

all in all this is just a pve-update. its not to reward pvp players. its to reward pve-players if they play pvp. so a pve can with his armor jump in pvp and keeps it. where a pvp players starts from 0. i could accept that if pve-players would need to start from 0 too, with special armor that is capable of transfering into pvp-version and not the already accumulated staff. so its only fair to give pvp-player something for the past time.

so a pve-player in t3+legendary go heart of mists = still t3 armor + legendary. plays some games and gets rewards. need 0 glory to spend. pvp player who has got some money via trading post needs to spend his saved up gold. u think thats fair?

I thought same, about suprsie on 2days patch :p
But I guess it won’t be…

Still w8ting for respons, this needs to be sticked to main page as muc has it can be.

But why is it a pv plegendary WITH SIGIL in?

hooma.9642:

savov.3712:

Smiley.5376:

What they should do is:

-For SoloQ wins: add 300×3 = 900 – 300 = 600 RP for each win
-For TeamQ wins: add 500×5 = 2500 – 500 = 2000RP for each win

That is if they want to make the previous wins on par with the incoming wins.

You got it a bit wrong there. Or maybe I confused you, because I didn’t explain the math. So, here we go:

Before Solo Arena (SA) awarded 150 Rank Points (RP) for a win. Now it’s tripe – 150×3 = 450RP per SA win at the moment. To be fair with anyone, who have won SA before, they have to give out additional 300RP for each win before the change. Because: 450 – 150(the already earned amount) = 300.

To put it your way for Team Arena:
200(old reward)x5 = 1000 – 200 = 800RP per win.

To sum it up – we need 300RP bonus for each of our SoloArena wins before the change and 800RP bonus for each of our TeamArena wins. Because that’s whats fair to the loyal playerbase, that’s how they should be treated and as pointed out – it will separate the farmers from ranked players.

the same with gold. the new system is only in favour of pve-players and pvp-starter. all pvp players played from start are kitten for the effort last year.

Lol not even 25k gold to the market from ppl who got the most wins both NA and EU in both ladders? My 2 friends got more cash in items+gold (6+legends, other skins, gold).
This is this massive influx? U must be kidding me.

Ahahaah u talkin about some gems back 1 yr be4? Fail joke. And maybe u gona say it was easy to get? Why I shall stop whining? I should be poor and watch others sleep on gold coming to get rewards and stfu? lol on this.
And most pvpers do also www and pve? There are only few pvers who takie it seriously AND do some pve www. If ppl pve+pvp+www, they r more casuals than srs pvpers. So they don’t have much wins, and it wuldn’t affect them much at all.
And ppl gona invest cash? Srsly, im gona spent hours on tp, investing to get better profits? Ofkittenrue statement. Maybe few would do, most would go for some skins and dyes obviously.

I bet with gem armors, if U converted to pvp, U will be able to use in pve. I can’t even imagine the other solution to this. And y, I guess U may end up with 2 same sets.

BTW, this picture is very sad…. but true…this is how I feel, exactly.

I think we should keep this thread going so it won’t go to hell of forgotten threads. so maybe sum1 will respond to it. Keep it up!

Last suggestion I agree with. Would be rlly nice.
15g/day is HOURS of pvp playing. Actively, giving the best to win, to get the most of it.
I’m not sure if I reach 10g day, prolly not lol.

U assume 3k ppl got 3k wins from tourns. I highly doubt it. And U seem to belive 600g in this game is big ca$h. I got friends who sit on 5+ legends (some got8+) + xxxx gold. This is real cash, few of them all together got thousands of gold. And I bet there r much more ppl like this. Not all pvpers would go spending 500+ g on gems, i bet.

Lee is right, the glory “barier” for pver’s is non-exsisitng. Gettin few k of glory for armor is matter of hours. Getting gold for pvper, is matter of weeks.
But yeh, better pver’s got all easy, and pvper’s don’t deserve rewarding.
Not to mention farming pve is so non-brain-needing that even my pillow would do it effectively. And it’s just a pillow. A dead thing with no brain. This is how easy it is.
Imo gold reward + rank reward (like GW1 with Glad) should happen. I’d get back some faith in ANet.

I bet most of the gold would go for cult armors and nigtmare set etc.

If they gave 20s per tourn win, I’d have only ~420g. I would spent it on T3, finally some abyss dye, maybe some skin from gem shop. Where are Ur big numbers then? not even 500g for 2ooo+ tourn wins is the cash that makes economy broken? It’s a price of a cheaper precursor lol. The pve ppl who r sitting on XXXX gold r ok ?

Romek.4201:

i bet you will not get it easy

t3 is in pve a big goldsink and cost something like 125gold

I died here. 125g for a pver is much gold? XD If he’s playin like whateva i don care, sure, if he knows what and how to get money – its few days. For a tpvper – ~400 tourn wins (tpvp). Gl with this “fair”. I bet devs r aware of the fact that most ppl farm pve for gold, not just run around exploring map, but they gave low rewards to pvp. And gold gona be only currency here <Facepalm>.

There are no downstates, only +. It happend sucessfully in GW1 twice, and I was a part ot that. They should do it.

ANet said they won’t. Which is stupid. Atm I got somehow cash for 1 T3 set, while my pve friend got 2k+ g in cash, just w8ting to buy em all 4pvp.
They don’t care we sticked to broken pvp for months, they think ther’s gold in chests soon so everything is ok. While I can;t even buy 2 sets for my chars. Pathetic. By this time in pve I would sleep on gold.

Hmm, any dev response about this maybe? Or maybe Josh?

Hope Devs will see it and do it….

yeh, +1 to this again.

U made that in GW1 twice (sweet suprise when u log in and ur higher ahh ) so why not here? In GW1 it wasn’t a problem so why it should be here?
This is fair Anet, simply. It’s fair reward for ppl who sticked to pvp from the begining. Since u won’t give gold for that wins (should give even this 20s !!!!! ) to be fair with everyboy U SHOULD rewad prev wins. Again, in GW1 it worked, it was COOL N FAIR, why not here?
+1 to this

Scorpio n Snake – lovely idea to add them

In GW1 a hero rank was also somehow “grindy” to achieve. But when ppl got to r15, all knew they r good and very exp. ALtho it took em yrs to get/“grind” it, since it was based on wins. I propose same here – count everybodys wins, do some rank points for each win, and give ppl rank based only based on their tournament wins. It’s fair. It worked with all pvp titles in GW1 and every1 respected it.

BTW, ladder is still broken now, may be broken in the future. Most ppl even don;t care about ladder and don’t search ur name on ladder. With ranks its much easier to track, especially if they were measurment of tournament wins. It worked 7+ yrs in GW1, don’t even try to argue with that.

Leadder position in still not working good matchamking, aha…

Rank points only for tournament wins, give ppl rank based on wins they already have (so r46 is a high, tournament scored rank). A gw1 system that worked. It’s that simple.
No for ladder ranking lol.

For race I guess no…but for class…. gr8 idea. But For example 150 tourn wins as mes, so u get additional reward for doin champ illusionist. Just 1oo played is very easy to get.

“For example, you could let us unlock different variation of finishers at different rank levels. "

This is cool idea. Different animation on each rank. A r40 tiger like it is now, at 43 tiger walking around slowly, at r46 tiger running after a prey at r50 new finisher. Would be sooo nice.

Reward tournamnet wins I already have with g!

U want to make rabbit finisher req 1milion rank points? Rlly? XD

Admitt, that doin dyes and hoping for random drop for more expensive one is a joke in terms of rewards from pvp….
If i spent all glory on dyes, I’d have 0 now and would need to farm glory…
U know, after over a year, I doubt rlly they will give me something for my prev wins….

But I still hope they will be smart to give some rewards….. As I mentioned in another thread, 1g for each tourn win I got by now would be far less comapred to what i would have earned in pve this time. Coz if I spent such time in pve, I’d have at least 3 legendaries + much gold by now. They said they want pvp be gold rewarding as average pve. But when ppl play pve, they farm it. They farm ~30g/day if they know how to farm and go for example for legendary. I know coz I got friends who left pvp for pve. And they r rich. Very. A fair reward would be 2g/per tourn win. I don’t knwo what is wrong wiht their thinking, in GW1 pvper’s were rich, coz of exclusive rare skin drops + faction/zkey trade (a 250e Eblade or other stuff etc..). I could afford what I wanted without stepping into pve. Somehow this isn’t working here.

mini.6018:

Pve players have multiple legendaries and thousands of gold just waiting to convert to pvp.Pvp players are getting the short end of the stick.With everything being convertible the only thing that they can give to pvp players exclusively will be finishers.Achievement points will be easier to get in pve, gold and skins in pve.Pvers will have the best skins (legendaries) and pvpers will not even have their rank ro show off.
Unless pvp playwrs get a ton of gold or a massive reward for their time invested to gain ranks the change will be really dissapointing for the pvp crowd.

Indeed. Few my friends who left pvp back in 2012 coz they found it non-rewarding now got 3-6legendaries, other good looking skins, stuff from gem shop (gold→gems) and tons of gold. So they r just waiting to come and convert all this stuff. And lol, they laugh at me coz atm, I am left with nothing actually. They say I should have left pvp too and do pve, now I would be rich and rewarded.
So, award ppl who sticked to slowly dying pvp for over a year – 50s-1g for each won tournament by now. It’s still FAR LESS than I would earn in this time in pve (a legendary – let’s say 1500g, my bros got few + gold, it gives 5000+ gold in such time frame). If U think a gold from tournament win from now is enough, then U r wrong. ( anyway, I basically start from 0 with gold after 10th dec, same poor as guy who bought GW2 today LOL). Yes, I sticked to pvp coz I rlly enjoy combat system. But few times I was about to leave coz of bad balance, no rewards, leavers etc. But I was telling myself U will realise that U need to reward those dedicated ones, one day. And it’s comming soon and I’m about to get…..nothing? While pve’rs come as rich boyz? Rlly?

Rozb, there were no farming like hj farm or skyhammer farm. In HA. It was epic to see ppl with ranks 12+.

I think what I proposed would be much better. They should consider it and give reasonable ammount of point for wins we already have. Y, I don’t get why farming hot joins is better for being higher rank than playing tournaments…. if it’s kep, give rank in ratio 1:5 hj/tourn….

My idea for ranks from another thread:

I would remake it. Reward ppl with rank points ONLY for win in tournaments. Hot joins are good for casuals, they r fun but got nothing in common with competitive play. Yes, I would decrease everybody’s rank. I know, ppl would loose their finishers. But rank would be a measurment of tournament wins (read GW1). I’m ok with the fact ranking up for phoenix would take me 2-3 more years. But it would be a phoenix consisting only from wins. And that would be gr8. Coz now ppl say rank means nothing, rank farmed and other bullkitten. It would eliminate it. When a guy scored a dragon rank in GW1 after years, every1 was like: wow, dat guy won MUCH, he is good for sure.
Also, rollback skyhammer farmers.

HJ should reward little gold, coz matches are easy fast, and with no que time. In 1h u can do ~10hj matches. Meanwhile at team que, maybe 3…

“First off, on Dec. 10th we are adding a new vendor that sells items for both glory and gold. Players will not be able to simply buy all the rewards with gold but will also need to use glory which amounts to time spent in PvP. T”

So new vendor with new items on 10th?
So John, I hope You, and Team are aware of the fact if im a PvPer only, I have close to NOTHING gold? I got 700k glory after over year of pvp, but I simply don’t have gold. So if there are nice new items, they are still unobtainable for me, although I got glory to buy them. But no gold. So it would be gr8 if on 10th a reward for time spent in pvp also came. Coz I got 2ooo + tournaments won, and got nothing “material” from it. So I waon’t be able to buy new things, altho I’m pvping since a year, while some pve boy who farmed hot joins for few days WILL can. That’s a nonsense.

Also, pls, add a possibility to display /rank during pvp match. You know what i felt once when I was in RA, when opposing team all made Phoenix emote at the start of the match…

Also about rank system – I would remake it. Reward ppl with rank points ONLY for win in tournaments. Yes, I would decrease everybody’s rank. I know, ppl would loose their finihsers. But rank would be a measurment of tournament wins (read GW1). I’m ok with the fact ranking up for phoenix would take me 2 more years. But it would be a phoenix consisting only from wins. And that would be gr8. Coz now ppl say rank means nothing, rank farmed and other bullkitten. It would eliminate it.
Also, rollback skyhammer farmers.

“gold per ingamemail for previous wins in tourney. dont put it into the chests. some has bunkered them, some has open them. to be fair use the already existing statistic value u have and calculate a amount for every player to be on a more equal ground like pve player”

This is gr8. Rlly.

And if we get rewarded it will cause a gold inflation? So I shouldn’t be rewarded with gold for those 2ooo + tournaments won coz it will make inflation? So there is nothing I will get for my already won tournaments, I will be (I still am lol) as poor as a guy who bought GW2 today and started to pvp? : ))) Sorry but this is epic stupid what U tryin to tell.

Ok, again – >> DON’T REMOVE RANK. Just rollback skyhamemr farmers. All singe rank point earned there by them.

About rewards:
-PvP Legends – *no conversion" pve→pvp. last thing we need is tons of Twillights running around. Make em achievable ONLY though pvp. O N L Y.
-Make some nice looking PVP-Only looking weps/armors that can be achievable only thoguh pvp.

NO for rank remove….
I am working slowly towards shark finisher (it’s so lovely!!!!!!) while playing tournies and now I don’t know if I am able to hit it before rank remove.
So time I spent lvling 50-60 is just a waste (xept fun in tournies). Not to mention U reward those awfull shyhamemr farmers….This is a bad idea, and as U see Justin, many ppl are against it, so I think the team should consider it, at best scenario abandon and come up with something else.

So after reading patch notes I wonder:
- shall I already open my saved tourney win chests, or will they contain something usefull in the future?
- shall I already spend my glory for crafting dyes or it will be more profitable later?

Also, will ppl who got saved chests/many tourney wins already will be rewarded eg with gold? Or just…. nothing after 1yr of pvp?

It took me 9months to get to r50 and get this lovevly champion pants and hood, adn now Anet u tellin me ppl that come from pve will have it insta, coz it costs round 2s on tp?
GG

Adian.8756:

So, a full-fledged PvE update disguised as PvP. Wait, who asked for this? Reading the blog-post, this is what I gathered:

- We’ll se an influx of terrible PvE players in our tournament games, as they’ve come to farm gold.
- They removed the even playing field in PvP, as now, totally new players will not have access to the same skills as veterans.
- They removed any prestige PvP players had left, by making all armors buyable with gold (We all know who has the most gold).
- They are giving Skyhammer Farmers exclusive titles and finishers, and making them forever unavailable to the rest of us.
- They are adding more achievement points to PvP, which will also encourage more PvE farmers in PvP (Who does not play to win, but play to farm – Like 5 people standing inside the same capture point).
- They are encouraging people to farm PvE for skins, as this will most likely be the path of least resistance.

I support the ladder changes, but the rest of this patch is complete and utter bullkitten.

Actually….was about to write it.

- DO NOT FORCE ME TO GO PVE TO GET NICE SKINS, MEANWHILE LETTING PVE FARMERS TO HAVE IT ALL THE 1ST DAY THEY STEP INTO PVP.

- ROLLBACK EVERY SINGLE RANK POINT GAINED BY SKYHAMMER FARMERS. EVERY, SINGLE, ONE. NO REWARDING, A ROLLBACK.

- HOW ARE U GOIN TO REWARD MY 2000+ TOURNAMENTS WON BY NOW?*

Justin ODell.9517:

Incurafy.6329:

Bad:

• Rank removal
• PvE skins in PvP
• Skillpoints required for new skills. I only have one level 80, the rest of my characters are level 2 PvP only characters, I am NOT going to be forced to PvE just to get new skills in PvP!

Good:

• Everything else.

I’m optimistic about this but I am completely diappoonted in the above.

• Ranks are being removed in favor of ladder divisions and tiers.
• It’s not just PvE gear in PvP, you’ll be able to take the gear you earn out of PvP. Do you want PvP specific gear rewards? Mention it in that discussion.

So, if I wanted to have cool armor n cool weps (eg a Fem Human in Tier3 Cultural + Infinite Light and Lyss) I should have spent time in pve gettin it, so i can now transfer it to pvp? This is so stupid….

Ranks removed…. Nice, I am working towards my 60 on tournaments, so it’s going SLOW, and it will take me months to reach it, so let’s say im 59 and its removed and im stuck with bear? + rewarding all those disgusting skyhammer farmers? For thier “effort” put in ranking up? C’mon, let’s be serious?

Quincy.2198:

Adding that at the moment im in the elo hell, how am i supossed to get back on track with these newcomers in my team? I also played today some matches, most of them were with 4v5 again.
It is quite frustrating that I have barely time to play, and when you log in you can’t get a reasonable match.
Games are meant to enjoy.

I know dat feel, had this be4, made a thread about it also…
It sux so much. Even if it’s 5v5, u can’t carry whole game by ur self if ppl r clueless…

I think in generall proposed changes will do more good than bad, so I vote yes, maybe spvp will rise from it’s knees. I think it’s finally step in the right direction, altho there will be still much work to do. But I got hope. Still.

Forsaker.9213:

Michael.7382:

I duno if dmg increase with time is a good idea. But scaling with condi dmg is gr8 one.

the thing is that they should nerf burn smg by 50% and then with 1k condi dmg 1s will be 300dmg then 2s 350dmg…. so basicly u will need to clean it or u will suffer more dmg but again the problem is that atm teams are runing perma burning setups

Ah, with the 50% dmg nerf it’s fine, I agree :>

I duno if dmg increase with time is a good idea. But scaling with condi dmg is gr8 one.

- Lyssa Runes – the IDC of 75-90 would be ok
- fresh Air – like others mentioned be4 me, it’s not the issue. The issue is 2much instant skills combined with arcanes and combos u can create of them.
-Halting strike is unrelyable – u can actually only rupt heals or key skills with gs5 or pistol, sword 4 is slow, daze from shatter takes time be4 ur clones go close (if they r not), staff 5 is chance to proc in random moment. So its more random I guess. But if u menage to land interrupt in right moment (like heal) i think it should be rewarded for paying attention – not nerfed. This was mesmer about in gw1 and i loved it for it – if u menage to time and interrupt for, he gets punished heavily. Sad it’s over :x
-Agree 100% with wars
-Ranger pets agreed
- s/d still needs slight nerf. Good thiefes can dodge everything…
- Chill – why? It’s strong and good as it it.
- Terror – really… it is there since ages, and no1 complained about the dmg it did (it was higher be4), but it got nerfed coz of the condi spam. This is the problem, codnis r aplied to fast and to much. Terror dmg is ok, no need to nerf it again. Just remove burning or replace it with torment.
-Vuln – disagree. On shatter mes u make 15+ stack of vuln easily. It would be 2much. It’s ok as it is.’
-Agreed on autoattacks.
-Legendaries – absolutely NO. I play since launch, but when my team disbanded in early 2013 I played pugs/solo till now much. I love the design of legendaries. And u want to tell me, I can’t get them coz I’m not a part of a sucesfull team? This is a joke. Spend 2k+ h in pvp, ranking up in tournies, with no rewards at all, and now I can’t make a legendary i’ve been waiting for since 2012? Altho I payed fot the game as all others? Sorry, but this is stupid. It’s a skin after all, and should be achivable for every1 (but not so easy like it tis in pve). Ofc need some req like 2000 tournaments won (It’s a fair ammount I guess and can’t jsut be farmed fast, coz if u play badly, u can’t be carried to such ammount, or will take u forever) + some rank req (40?) + let’s say 2 champ titles - it req time, so even if sum1 want to grind it it will take him months to win such ammount of tournies, so they won’t be common. The rewards from leagues should be gems + TITLES. Did U play GW1? Skins weren’t a measurment of status in pvp, at all. Titles n capes (be4 invites were sellable). A glad 11, h13, a c9 etc. It should work in a same way here, as this system is good and already checked it’s working.
- Tradin post npc in the msits – U realise that mists would become a place where TP guys sit all day and check prices/place offers? Traveling to LA for 1min is good enough.
— Let players enter solo q/team q only after they have reached a certain rank or have played a certain amount of matches – this is gr8 one.

We r talking in spvp forum and eg i don’t care for pve. And I don’t even care for impact in hotjoins. It will be mosty a tournament issue thats why he maetnioned tournament play.
Imo it should wokr like sum1 mentioned – maybe immunity when attuing to earth for 3-4seconds and it stays when u stay in earth attu.

redslion.9675:

Michael.7382:

“Yeah right, lets totally buff the most unfun and OP 1on1 spec there is to play against.”
And it will affect what? a 1v1 servers? Coz if u play seriously soloQ/tpvp u wouldn’t run PU mesmer. What for? running around (slowly) and 1v1ing? U can’t hold/contest point properly with this. And the most unfun and no-skiller 1v1 spec is ofc s/d thief.

If ANet wants to introduce some sort of Deathmatch, they can’t afford OP 1v1 builds.

BB hambows, s/d thieves, spirit rangers then.

IMO for PU condi scepter/pistol + scepter/torch….

“Yeah right, lets totally buff the most unfun and OP 1on1 spec there is to play against.”
And it will affect what? a 1v1 servers? Coz if u play seriously soloQ/tpvp u wouldn’t run PU mesmer. What for? running around (slowly) and 1v1ing? U can’t hold/contest point properly with this. And the most unfun and no-skiller 1v1 spec is ofc s/d thief.

“Mesmer has Phantasm and Shatter. "
A Bountifull Interruption is alsbo valuable. I run it much and sharing ur team 25might stacks and other boons + rupting foes in mid fight is insta favour on your team side.