With the white swords gone the smaller guilds in all of Tier 1 now have a chance to show just how useful they can be. Instead of forcing servers to blob up in order to defend then now have to spread out which makes the game much more fair for all size groups to both attack and defend. Personally my guild is a havoc guild and now we have the capability to not only attack waypointed structures but if the scouts are not paying attaention we regularly capture them. Scouts now actually have to pay attaention to all the sneakier places for siege units to be placed instead of just semi-afk and wait for swords to pop then start looking. That being said ArenaNet should definately work out a reward system of some kind for those who ACTIVELY scout and find havoc teams being sneaky.
This was working already before. More small groups atttacking different object at same time were more effective ppt wise, then one big group. This update just made caps easy, but for the prize of less fights. For me personally PvDing the objects w/o any rezistance is just boring. I play WvW mainly for the fights, specially epic fights for keeps.
Stronger servers won’t let you cap keeps anyway, since they see wp being contested. It’s the other way around, stronger servers will keep your stuff wooden all day long, since you can’t even see them coming and call for help unless you have army of scouts watching every destroyeable wall and gate of each struckture. Enjoy your small caps while you lose your entire home map. This update favors PvE part of WvW, but who the hell likes that?
I don’t like the update at all. I prefer fights over points. No whitte swords gives no track on enemy movements and that leads to avoiding fights. There will be way less epic fights for structures. The update favors the PvE site of WvW, which is pretty boring.
There is no time for regroup. It’s all about the first push and who dies 1st. Since they force you to spawn in battlefield, the team who dies 1st just respawn one by one getting kitten d by other team waiting at spawn point. Matches ending with ridiculous score 25:500. GG Anet, very competetive.
Why would you care about soloQ leaderboard anyway. It says nothing about your personal skill lvl. It depends on too many facts, which you can’t affect. Being nr1 in soloQ leaderboard doesn’t mean you are the best player in game, there sure will be tens maybe hundreds of players better than you.
Both power and condi ranger are viable, they just have different role in pvp. If you go full power, you are rather supporter, place yourself in safe spot and nuke ppl down 1by1 with your longbow. But for that you need team mates who will be holding enemies until you snipe them down. In solo arena I wouldn’t go for power since you don’t know builds of your team mates, their role they want to play and there is lack of coordination in general. If you go full condi, you can’t do anything wrong. Condi ranger is one of the strongest 1v1 classes in game. You can bunker point, you can cap, you can offer some boons to allies, you are good in anything, best in nothing. Power ranger is more fun to play though, very effective, but barely useful.
Ranger is one of the best 1v1 classes (as for me even the best). Sure not all builds are viable, but which class has them? There are ranger builds being able to beat any other builds of any class. Ranger is completely fine, just full power build could use some love, but that’s just my little wish.
Kinda tired of this match already. Tired of endless VS blobs 24/7. Tired of them camping towers and keeps and not going out for fight unless they outnumber you 2:1. Even after league not. Are SFR guilds taking break or aren’t there any left besides [VG] and [IV]?
Amazing evening on SFR BL yet again!!! Big thanks to our ally-guilds [DSun], [DVG],[EXE] and [ObZ] for the great cooperation specially at the Garrison attack when we managed to reset the T3 keep. 5 guild raids with 15-20 numbers each. <3 Piken <3
I personally enjoy the after-league match way more then the league itself. Ppl stoped carring about points and enjoying the battles. The hatred between servers is replaced by respect and that’s how it should be. Screw the leagues.
Nice fights on SFR BL yesterday evening with [VG], [IV] and [WL]. Big respect to [IV] guild, you guys never hesitate to jump into battle even you are outnumbered. Thanks all for the fun
For over a year they are trying to balance the game, at least they say so. But to be honnest I don’t see any progress, the balance seems to be even worser then year ago.
My question for dev would be, what means balance for them? Is that overall balance across all builds and classes? Or does it mean to nerf the most used builds just to force ppl to use the less used builds?
I would personally favor small but fast changes. At the moment we got games overcrowded by lbow/hammer warriors, spriti rangers, condi necros. They need months to fix stuff, which the community sees after week. If a build appears, which is obviously over the top, they should make a hotfix, small change rather. So we don’t have games overflowed by these builds/classes.
Sure, I can understand your position; it’s logical. But if you would understand the situation SFR is in, you wouldn’t be posting what you did. I can imagine it’s not fun to be wiped over and over again by two zergs that are hunting for you. So yes, some of that frustration spills over on the forum here. I’m not saying it should, but I can understand. I’m sure you would feel the same in SFR’s place.
I understand you, we felt the same when you and Riverside focused us. But that’s how it is. I don’t think Riverside could beat us normaly, but they did thanks to SFR, but nobody from Piken threatened Riverside for some pay back did we? We are obviously the weakest one in this MU, so we need to take the oportunity. And with all respect to SFR, I think VS is stronger. They have best coverage, dedicated scouts and well organized zergs.
But then again, I repeat, there is no deal between Piken and VS. We, Piken, attack SFR as well as VS. We just are not succesful to take anything from VS, while we can take stuff from SFR because you are mostly busy to defend your stuff against VS attacks.
Sure we do, why not to take wooden keep or tower instead of break our heads against T3 highly sieged keep? Ever though that we are simply not strong enough to push VS? Check last match, VS literaly destroyed us. It’s not like we don’t try. We do but fail in most cases. We can push VS only during our prime time, where our guild raids starting. Then you will see we capping stuff from VS, their bay and even gari. There is no fun to be wipep over and over again to VS superior numbers. So we just go the easier way, I am sure you would do just the same being in our place.
Just a question for SFR. Why so much hate against Piken? It’s VS who is focusing you to secure 1st place and there is no hate against them? Piken is and will take the chance to push you too since then we have chance to end up 3rd in the season. It’s a tactic you would do alone. So what’s your prob? Why you don’t threaten VS to destroy them next match up? Is that because your e-pe_nis is not big enough for them? So do you need to enlarge you ego to threaten “weaker” servers? Is that all you can? What do you say now Wemil and other “pros”?
Yesterday we had great fun on Piken BL. AR brought few guild raids and I never saw them grouping up, respect. Thanks CoN, AFK, PSY, Qo for the nice fights (hope I didn’t miss any).
With SFR logic we should accuse RS for helping SFR and focus RS in our next match. But I guess nobody on Piken is so brainless to accuse RS for teaming with SFR. RS is just taking the opportunity to get easy captures, which is fair enough.
SFR is nothing what Piken can’t handle, in case, it’s actually RS who seems to be way stronger then SFR, at least for now. RS will decide about lot in this match.
I am not really expecting some fair play from SFR, but I am looking forward to have some fair fights with RS at least as I believe that this server didn’t lose it’s honor.
For the love of god, nerf these godkitten ed bunker builds. I am sick of ppl running in circles blocking and outhealing all the dmg. You should force ppl to show some skill in pvp.
French got public holidays on monday is that correct? That’s why there is so big gap in the score. Yesterday was really messy day. JS got superior numbers all day long and we weren’t able to push them back. All keeps and towers fully upgraded and heavily sieged. 25k points difference is probably too much to catch JS before friday, but we will try ! I just hope JS and Kodash don’t have another public holidays this week
You obviously are utterly incompetent when using lbow. If you are from EU server pm me so we can test who with what weapon is utterly incompetent, whether me with lbow or you with your 1h sword.
i’m really hoping this nerf doesn’t make my glassy ranger a dead man walking… my entire survival is from keeping a distance and dodging, and i have a very strong feeling this will gut the whole dodging thing… And if they’re gonna be removing evades how about they drop a few evades from thieves?
This.
Also dodge role is one of the few active defensive abilities which shows some player’s skill. Instead of forcing ppl to show a little bit of skill they nerf endurance regen and buff bark skin, passive defensive ability. So yeah, lets everybody make condition bunker ranger to just stay still and spam conditions.
Wonder where they came to those ppl who making the “balance”.
I would just add that the current state of barrage is rather against the ranger. Try to put barrage on retaliation buffed enemy. You will end up recieve more dmg from retaliation then you actually do with barrage itself, which is ridiculous. Small dmg but long duration (12 waves) is just horrible mechanic.
Well I don’t think that barrage is meant to kill a single enemy. The dmg is AoE, if it causes massive dmg then you could kill the entire enemy team stacked on one place with a single skill, which would be totally broken. However I agree that barrage, as it’s now, is awful skill. Half the ticks with double the dmg from each tick would for example make this skill much more beneficial.
I think it has no sence to comment glass cannon ranger as nobody is listening anyway. Further more, the upcomming updates shows that they have perfectly no clue what to do with rangers. Balance across all the builds is just a myth, don’t even think it’s their intention tbh.
Warrior has hundred blades. Necromancer has wells. Guardian has whirling wrath (if they go glass) or smite for a ranged option. Thief has pistol whip. Elementalist has meteor shower. Mesmer has clone shatter combos.
If you stand in any of these AOE effects as a single target, you will die. Why should ranger not also get to kill targets that cannot be bothered to move or dodge roll?
Edited for yet more random kittens. Please fix forum censorship.
I don’t think that any class can stay still while you hitting them with barrage + rapid fire + having for example jaguar on them. You need to count all the advantages and disadvantages of each skills to compare them and not just look at the final dmg.
Please don’t get me wrong, I really wish rangers could get some love when it comes to direct dmg, but lets make fair changes and don’t make skills OP. I already said what change barrage could take.
Well I don’t think that barrage is meant to kill a single enemy. The dmg is AoE, if it causes massive dmg then you could kill the entire enemy team stacked on one place with a single skill, which would be totally broken. However I agree that barrage, as it’s now, is awful skill. Half the ticks with double the dmg from each tick would for example make this skill much more beneficial.
I think it has no sence to comment glass cannon ranger as nobody is listening anyway. Further more, the upcomming updates shows that they have perfectly no clue what to do with rangers. Balance across all the builds is just a myth, don’t even think it’s their intention tbh.
OniDrake stop posting in this thread, you have no bussiness here as you don’t play on any of these 3 servers and you are only trolling here. If my request is not enough then I will just report you and hopefuly Mods will send you to forum break.
That was epic battle for Piken’s Garri yesterday. I felt the determination of Elona and Baruch to reset the t3 keep. For 1,5h you kept coming and coming even tho each time we managed to repel you. Sadly I had to leave later so idk how it ended. Someone can maybe give some info whether we lost it or not?
SFR is not there with points where they expected to be and they already finding conspiracy theories and excuses. That’s all the ppl here posting can say? You are so pathetic if you think PS and VS are teaming up, we are pushing VS just as hard as SFR. Just empty words you saying here. SFR may have probs with AP hunters and therefore long queues, but guess what, every server face the same problem not only SFR.
This focus percentage table says nothing else than how each server is succesful with taking stuffs from other servers. It’s actually not “focus” at all. All I can read is that VS is protecting their stuff well and it’s hard to get stuff from them. There is nothing about how often they are being attacked.
I respect SFR, it’s one of the best WvW servers in EU, maybe best ever and I am sure they will show their true strenght yet. I know those forum ppl are not representing the whole server, however you are really making your server looks bad with your attitude. Some respect to your oponents for perferming better then you currently would be nice.
VS is showing their spirit, you guys performing really well. Keep up the good work but watch your back !! Piken is coming :P.
Had great fun yesterday on Elona BL. Want to thank ZBs and dF for the nice fights and special thanks to Mya for the coop, it’s pleasure to play with such great guild.
Also thanks SFR and Elona for the whole week. Had lot of equal and challenging fights and the match up was really enjoyable.
too bad our enemies already get out the white flags before the weekend is over…seems to be another easy and victorious week then. Looking forward to the season…hopefully there wont be just little QQ babies everywhere on the opponents side.
Piken surely didn’t give up anything. If you feel like pvding then it’s because we can’t simply get more numbers in that time. And I don’t think the league will change anything, SFR is a superior wvw server compared to the rest. Most sad thing is, that even more guilds joining SFR just because they are greedy for the comming prizes.
But in the end it’s SFR who will suffer from even longer queues and boring pvds, because they just outnumber the rest besides prime time. If you are bored in match up vs nr2 and nr5 servers then don’t expect to have any challanging matches at all.
You might win the league, but I am sure other servers will enjoy it more as they will have many challanging and equal matches. After all, who will be the winner?
Same as conditions can be totally cleaned. The dmg mitigation would be another part of discussion. The game is designed, or I believe they try to do it, to achieve balance between these two sources of dmg. And I think it’s well balanced.
You forgot to mention that same like with condi build you still deal some direct dmg then with direct dmg build you still deal some condi dmg. E.g. I use double bows power build, yes sbow with power build! And I can’t complain. While dealing way higher direct dmg with sbow (mainly thx to high crit chance and crit dmg), you still deal some conditions. It’s smth like half dmg from conditions. Also while having high direct dmg build you are still able to get decent toughness, in my case 2,8k. My 75% crit chance (95% with fury) with on crit health gaining sigil and food together with speed of nr1 attack provides you great healing.
I am not fun of condi builds, but I know the builds have their usage. In case of rangers, direct dmg builds works just as fine as condi builds. It’s all about players what fits them better.
I would like to point out that Piken is still one of the least blobing servers. Take in consideration that the guild raids starting smth around 5pm GMT. I am pretty sure you then can see guild groups running on their own and minimum blobs. Ofc we are cooperating in case of taking heavily defended keep or to defend our keep against many enemies. Besides the prime time you will mostlikely see blobs as the guilds can’t get decent numbers to run on their own. I quess all servers do this.
We suffer from the blobs too as it cause long queues and half of our guild was stucked in queue yesterday, I hope it will get better durring the week.
We had great evening ytd on GH BL, FURY and RAGE surely gave us some nice fights and I hope we will meet again. Also hope we manage to get more numbers so we don’t have to team you up with GoW :P (although we love coop with GoW <3)
That was hell big group you had home for reset Abbadons. You even seem to organize that big numbers pretty well, nice fights even with Gunnars. I don’t realy like this match up, servers from 2 different leagues facing is not fair at all. Still hoping you guys don’t give up and give as some hell.
Yea it doesn’t root you to place but it does root you to target, which means it still roots you. Warrior’s sword works perfectly fine as well as thief’s sword (they work actualy much better Imo), and they don’t have leap on autoattack. You know you can use movement keys to stick to your target? Try to use them.
I understand, but that is not what ‘root’ means. I wouldn’t say that GS #3 ‘roots’ you to the target. Typically the word ‘root’ in MMOs implies a function that holds you in place, rather than one which provides mobility, like Sword #1. I guess my main point was that it doesn’t root you in place, but does allow you to stick to your target, and that we just differ in our understanding of what ‘root’ means.
And now, can I ask about this statement?
“You know you can use movement keys to stick to your target? Try to use them.”
Do you really think I don’t know that the movement keys can allow you to you follow your target? Was the suggestion to “try to use them” serious? Sarcastic? Condescending? I guess I just don’t understand the latent and sometimes explicit hostility people express when people post views that disagree their own.
Srry I was just responding to the topic creater and didn’t even read your comment so it wasn’t adressed to you at all :P.
The movement keys were sarcastic comment. I wanted to say that I feel realy clumsy using the autoattack, I want to have 100% control of my movement and not to leap on my target like crazy. Comparing with GS nr3 ain’t good, with GS I leap when I actualy want to leap.
Yea it doesn’t root you to place but it does root you to target, which means it still roots you. Warrior’s sword works perfectly fine as well as thief’s sword (they work actualy much better Imo), and they don’t have leap on autoattack. You know you can use movement keys to stick to your target? Try to use them.
Seafarers was tired of getting night & morning capped by vizunah so we’d have paper in primetime. Seafarers responce? Get americans to support at night and a commander starts morning pushes. You’d be surprised how many players are online at night but doesnt want to play since it will have no impact, then get a morning crew and you get 3x the amount of nightplayers. All seafarers did was get one american guild for nightcapping, the morning capping was pure core SFR players who knows they can wake up early and fight. We managed to beat vizunah (they slacked a little tho i think) and bam jobs done.
Whats deso/piken/server x facing sfrs solution? Whine & moan on forums. You can kiss each other and have your kittens “they r bad they only win cuz numberz” but it doesn’t change a thing. SFR had a problem in front of them, and they solved it. Deso & rest have a problem infront of them: They whine and complain.
You think it’s fun for us playing primetime with no enemies? I can be online 24 hours and still have no enemies. We want to fight, we want to kill. If you think your server can beat SFR but lack numbers, then get numbers. We wanted to show vizunah that we had better players so we matched their coverage and won. From now on I only want to meet vizunah because of these things:
1) Vizunah dont qq on forums but are in fact very respectful and polite
2) Vizunah has players on borders during primetime
and one last thing semi-irrelevant thing: I saw on reddit a deso guy complain that we had guild raid on a saturday morning. Yeah, you’d almost think wvw is a hobby for us and that we play it in our freetime. Crazy!
3 whinning ppl don’t represent the whole server. We never gave up fights vs SFR, we actually managed to keep up with SFR in points during our prime time or even dominated them. 99% of Piken was satisfied in the match with SFR and rather talked about SFR with respect instead of complaining. And if you realy care about the fun and equal and challenging fights instead of domination, then you can always change server, or try to convince your server to stop recruiting americans and stop new guilds from transfering to SFR. Funny you encourage other servers to change instead of trying to change your own server to have more equal and challenging match ups. Cheers
I would just add that adapting to new meta, as some ppl saying, is whole wrong attitude from the root. First of all there shouldn’t be meta changing every patch. There should be just one which is balance all across the field. As for the current state there, so far, was always meta of specific area, as mentioned above, and with that, meta of specific classes so we get team full of necros durring condi meta, warriors durring control meta etc. and this is just all wrong. We need teams with balanced composition of classes and builds.
It shouldn’t take that long, each time you pick the meat it gives you power, you should down the dog after 4th meat picked up. Remember you can’t let the dog eat any meat as the meat will heal him and then you basically start from 0 again. Focus on dmging the dog and when you see Strugar throwing meat then quickly cc or criple Chomper and roll to meat.
Nice guide and nice build. I am glad to see that someone is, for a change, using power build and having fun with it. I am using power build myself and having succes with it in roaming as well as in zerging. While I am using a bit different traits and stats, in the end we reaching the very same stats. Here is my build if you like to see and compare:
GS and LB is like the best combination vs thief if you are running power build. I am running this combination myself. LB nr2 is great as it still hits even if thief stealth himself. The equip should be smth like mix of soldier/knights and berserker, with 30/20/20/0/0 traits.
Not sure if you talking about just beating them or making the meat achievement. Anyway I used full berserker gear and 30/20/20/0/0 traits, lbow and sbow. You should focus the pet first, each time the guy throws the meat, you should be ready to cripple/stun/kockback the dog and pick the meat asap. Rampage as one for the extra dmg and stability is better then entangle here. Signet of hunt is handy too, lightening reflexes is must (stun breaker, mobility). The pet will heal if it picks the meat before you, while you will gain power from the meat. It might take few tries since sometimes the guy throws the meat dirrectly under the pet.
But anyway it’s surely doable with ranger, in fact, I did all the achievements with ranger (except for 8 orbs liandri).
Can nothing else but agree with the op, when it comes to any challenging content the ranger’s pet is being totaly useless. As exampel let me just post this vid of a ranger soloing Lupicus while his pet is being constantly death.
Ranger is realy bad class for zerging for various reason buy mainly cause the half of you (read pet) is totally useless in zerg fights. Any other class can perform better.
You surely had a great night gunners. Also nice defence at our keep todays morning. I hope you didn’t waste all your power durring the night and will provide us some decent fights also durring the day and prime time :-).
I think we, Underworldians, performed very well this match up and I hope we gave you, AG and FSP guys, some tough fights. We started this match up as the on paper weakest, we will probably end last, but I think we don’t need to be ashamed.
I want to thank AG and FSP for nice and challenging week. But even more I want to thank all UW guys who never gave up and kept fighting till the end. I am not afraid to say that UW belongs now to mid tier servers and I hope we will get more macthes like this one.
Ranger cry because we have few aoe skills. Then you cry becuase there is a counter to aoe skills. We have 1 maybe two aoe skill(s). There is nothing wrong with retaliation. The idea that a single player can hit a group of players with one skill and another player can punish or protect you for doing so is balanced.
Other classes have far more aoe skills. Big damage has risks. You rolled your dice accept the outcome fate has given you.
This isn’t a L2P issue this is accept the consiquences of your actions issue. I take that back it is also a L2p issue you can negate all the damage from retaliation If its that big of a deal.
Can you? How you gonna negate retaliation dmg from barrage when you can’t cancel the skill? Also you don’t rlly understand the problem. It has nothing to do with how big dmg you do to enemies, elementalist can do a big one time AoE dmg and get negligible dmg from retal. Ranger skills are channeled and that’s the pain. Also dmg from retaliation depends on power of the one who gave retaliation. So I can hit 10x 5 targets for 150dmg each, which is total of 7500 dmg, but can get back 20000 dmg.
Also it’s boon so I can’t cleans it (unlike confusion for example), I can’t dodge it, I can’t block it, i can’t counter it with “invulnerability skill” (signet of stone).
Retaliation should be capped or best not being AoE.
I have nothing against your so called humorous posts. Please, feel free to do it if you like it. But leave my name alone if I don’t want to participate in this kind of conversation. I wrote ordinary post about yesterday’s event on RoS BL, so why that offence?
You maybe misunderstood what I meant with harder to play. It doesn’t require anything special, the game play is about the same, you don’t need more buttons. But it’s way more cruzial in terms of dodging and right skill usage. Your build can absorb a lot of dmg, you are allowed to make mistakes and that makes it easier to play.
I don’t really want to argue with you about this, I talk from my own experience and from my point of view. You obviously have different opinion and it’s perfectly fine :-). I again saying that your vid is great and your skills are impressive. Maybe once you will try out the berserker build and make some records how you fighting 2 or even 3 ppl in same time like you do now, that would be awesome to see.
Point of view, I used very similiar build while ago and for me it was easy one. Also I pointed out that berserker ranger build is not viable. All I wanted to say is that I see great game play with viable/easy to play build (at least for me), but also would like to see vid with not viable/hard to play build :-).
Bunker/regen ranger build is one of the best or even the best which ranger has. While being able to outheal lot of incoming dmg, you still keep the power thanks to your pet and 30BM. I don’t want to decrease the level of your skill, the vid is truly great and you showing the knowledge of the class and its skills, you mastered this build no doubts about that. However it’s one of the easiest ranger builds to play, would you agree with me?
I generaly don’t like bunker builds, I think they are kind of out of hands, on all classes. On the other side power builds are in the backgrounds of bunker/condition builds (unless you have unlimited posibilities to hide and vanish from fight anytime you want when your hp is dangerously down, then here it’s working), specially by rangers.
Full power (berserker) build requires much better timing and precize skill usage. One mistake and you can be down in a sec. Would love to see a vid of someone who mastered such build.
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