Guild Wars 2

Zerker is even worst^^ idk what kind of shoutbow you’ve fought but he seems to be terrible, in this case celestial hambow would have more chance than anything but shoutbow stil got the MU.

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If a person playing hambow is gonna beat the person playing shoutbow 1 on 1 they definitely have the advantage if they’re both skilled players. The key is for them to time their interrupts when the shoutbow is trying to use combustive shot to proc cleansing ire. That’ll kitten em up good.

Nah shoutbow win, you wont get interupt your combustive agains’t a hambow if ur decent. And even if you get cc’d you’ll get your CS cd back when you get up.

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/15char

Haha, and you should check his stream aswell its hilarous how he press buttons randomly. This guy is awsome

Good news they did not rewarded theses guys

ofc you’ve to take longbow if you wanna play competitive, but there’s also plenty fun good builds if you wanna chill in hotjoin/1v1/ranked etc.

That stuff is basic wtf

Ye you’re doing casual pvp, not enought training to take less attention on cd

You guys are comparing casual pvp hotjoin with gvg competitive scène, think about the différence of training behind a random zerg wvw player to reach a top gvg team and casual pvp to top one, casual pvp to competitive one take 50x more time, just that.

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MrKrataus.6420:

Ogre.3124:

Flyphish.6398:

X T D.6458:

Flyphish.6398:

There were 10K viewers in the last WTS, “slightly” more than any GvG. People prefer to watch the most skilled players with good individual and team plays, not zerg versus zerg.

Your comparing something promoted by Anet a company to something fans put up on youtube or w/e site. 1k views for a gvg is pretty darn good.

It doesn’t change the fact that 15 v 15 or 20 v 20 is unwatchable and does not require a high level of mechanical skill.

Imagine a 5v5. Now increase that 3-4x fold. 15v15 and 20v20 combat is more complex regarding positioning and teamwork.

Hahaha

Sorry

… more people, more potential for teamwork. More damage / skills from the other team, takes better positioning.

Video w/ Caed an above average tpvp player doing gvg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx151_7QU0A

He dies the first minute. This is from him being assumingly inexperienced, but that’s the whole point. Not to say tpvp doesn’t take skill; even more-so in its own aspects. GvGs take more skill regarding a more straight forward manner of non-environmental positioning and communication due to there being a larger team.

It take less individual communication for a gvg player, ofc there’s gonna be a lot of speaking, cuz 20players, I’ve played both pvp tourny and both gvg at a top 1-2 team each.

Communication and positioning are both harder speaking of a match with 2top pvp team tryharding then a gvg with 2top tryharding also.

For a top gvg player it will take ages to compete on pvp tourny, on the otherside 1days was enought for me to play at a competitive gvg, there’s exceptions with gvg players but theses players like sindrener Let’s say came from pvp first, Sorry for da english yo

Ogre.3124:

Flyphish.6398:

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Flyphish.6398:

There were 10K viewers in the last WTS, “slightly” more than any GvG. People prefer to watch the most skilled players with good individual and team plays, not zerg versus zerg.

Your comparing something promoted by Anet a company to something fans put up on youtube or w/e site. 1k views for a gvg is pretty darn good.

It doesn’t change the fact that 15 v 15 or 20 v 20 is unwatchable and does not require a high level of mechanical skill.

Imagine a 5v5. Now increase that 3-4x fold. 15v15 and 20v20 combat is more complex regarding positioning and teamwork.

Hahaha

Sorry

55’ve got -18y old ppl, same for the french team, hopefully there’s gonna be smth to deal with it.

I would bet for orange just for the team composition.

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MrKrataus.6420:

The Gates Assassin.9827:

PvP Forum Specialist here

Few questions about this build:

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1. Is the problem banner? – Let’s say the build didn’t have War Banner. Would you still think this build is too strong?
2. Is the problem killing it? – I tend to find that these die fairly quickly in team fights, but super slow in small engagements.
3. What do you usually fight it with? – What are your tactics for fighting it, if at all

1) Shoutwar got no stab, so ye easly interuptable
2) kinda y, vulnerable to heavy cc like slick shoes and high power burst.
3) focus him with a powerburst like thief mesmer, he’s gonna die asap if well coordinated.

I mean D/D ele’s doing better at everything exept that war got that long cd and easly interuptable banner, clearly shoutwar is the most balanced spec atm, its just old warriors player who stick with this spec when there’s ingi celestial and ele DD at a better spot.

You say its not op because “focus it with thief mesmer”. Then nothing is OP. You could double all damage and healing on d/d ele and it wouldnt be OP.

EVERYTHING insta dies vs thief/mesmer. Right from bunker guardian down. Literally everything.

Maybe that is a problem in itself with the high burst of thief amd fire/air sigils though.

Nope nope nope you can survive from it ofc, but thing is warshout got not reliable acces to protection, no block, no invul, no extra dodge like dd burning speed and no stab, no cc like slick shoes wich can completly reset the thief/mesmer, you’ve only fear me if you’re not blinded and trying to dodge the first hits if you’re not already cc’ed by smth.

Yeah its harder on shoutwar

Bunk guard are better at holding points/teamfighting, but they are slow, that why they are usually playing with a mesmer/thief combo.

Same with staff ele, but staff ele got the mobility and aoe pressure and better cc.

And we can also talk about engi who can basically do everything with one build and good rotations

The Gates Assassin.9827:

PvP Forum Specialist here

Few questions about this build:

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1. Is the problem banner? – Let’s say the build didn’t have War Banner. Would you still think this build is too strong?
2. Is the problem killing it? – I tend to find that these die fairly quickly in team fights, but super slow in small engagements.
3. What do you usually fight it with? – What are your tactics for fighting it, if at all

1) Shoutwar got no stab, so ye easly interuptable
2) kinda y, vulnerable to heavy cc like slick shoes and high power burst.
3) focus him with a powerburst like thief mesmer, he’s gonna die asap if well coordinated.

I mean D/D ele’s doing better at everything exept that war got that long cd and easly interuptable banner, clearly shoutwar is the most balanced spec atm, its just old warriors player who stick with this spec when there’s ingi celestial and ele DD at a better spot.

They will, but they will first release HoT, then listen to the community, as they said

1) mettabattle
2) watch tourney
3) twitch top players stream

Well I have thousands games on warrior, 30%~ on shoutbow and I play atm on a top 1-3 EU pvp team, I’ve played agains’t each best players in each class and I know wich match-up shoutwar get or not, “Generally” shoutwar is a beast at 1v1 if you know how to play it, zerker does not make an exeption.

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MrKrataus.6420:

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It is bad at 1v1 against zerk builds because the damage is weak.

I’d bring a lb ranger if the other team has shotbow, problem solved.

thief can’t, mesmer aswell, and I tested with lb ranger aswell, shoutwar got 2much tool to kill them easly while putting weakness and being tanky as sheet.

I hate to break it to you, but personal “testing” has nothing to do with viability of zerker builds against Shoutbow warriors…

So im wondering where this “zerk beat shoutbow” came from if its not personal test? Since every decent players with a bit of knowledge know that’s wrong? Im also wondering if you ever played agains’t a good shoutbow.

General consensus.

Nope. Getting rekt by a longbow ranger in a random hotjoin doesn’t make it a general consensus.

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MrKrataus.6420:

Sube Dai.8496:

It is bad at 1v1 against zerk builds because the damage is weak.

I’d bring a lb ranger if the other team has shotbow, problem solved.

thief can’t, mesmer aswell, and I tested with lb ranger aswell, shoutwar got 2much tool to kill them easly while putting weakness and being tanky as sheet.

I hate to break it to you, but personal “testing” has nothing to do with viability of zerker builds against Shoutbow warriors…

So im wondering where this “zerk beat shoutbow” came from if its not personal test? Since every decent players with a bit of knowledge know that’s wrong? Im also wondering if you ever played agains’t a good shoutbow.

Sube Dai.8496:

It is bad at 1v1 against zerk builds because the damage is weak.

I’d bring a lb ranger if the other team has shotbow, problem solved.

thief can’t, mesmer aswell, and I tested with lb ranger aswell, shoutwar got 2much tool to kill them easly while putting weakness and being tanky as sheet.

Shoutwar got the match-up agains’t every meta build exept cele ingi hoelbrak slickshoes doom sigil, wich is a bit harder but not undefeatable.

When hambow lose agains’t every other cele meta build and got predictable burst.

Idk why you guys are saying shoutwar is a bad 1v1er.

Ye, but less viable then ele/ingi in most situations

You do not need discipline III trait when you’re perma speed with 4, and yeah you could’ve explain much more things even basics one but its a good introduction.

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Ye like team A team B etc, still if the leaderboard work it will be rules by pvp players.

There is only few players in top WvW guilds who have the lvl to compete at a high lvl of pvp, I can count them on my both hands.

Nope cuz it is not appropriate to esporzz, 15vs15 will never be taken seriously, even 8vs8 is hardly understandable for ppl who don’t play gw2 / beginners.

Don’t waste shout on poison
Stow the horn skills aftercast
Leap in combustive shot for fire aura
Rest you’ve to learn by training and training again

And ye shoutbow got all the match-up but the more hardest is ingi celestial but you should win with practice

Thx Justin, so basically there’s gonna be a reset again ?

There is a meta in all competitive games, gw2 isn’t an exception, even the pve competitive aspect there is a meta with same builds.

Did you tweaked something ? Because I see 6ppl in the top 25 lb with more lose than win, and when I see the first Guy with 80 points (80w/40l), I wonder if losing games matter now since I get only 1pts per win with 0lose

Can’t we reach the top without being able to spam games all the day ?

And then a genious created the moba style

Pve and pvp in the same game mode, awsum ?

But ye rifle need an immob or a way to leep back idk both maybe, need kitting stuff u know

And kittenillshot cast time reduced and maybe more damage.

“Killshot is one of the most powerful skill in the game”

^^ nice I give u a 12/20, you’re in a good way keep it up !

Well if you watched all the vidéo you can see that only the first one is agains’t them, now im on augury rock, and ye what is the problem with low tiers ? ô/

Warri have a place everywhere, they are still one of the best class for soloing dunjon and they have a place in the pve META, war are equal to engi, refering to shoutwar celestial, engi don’t have superior 1v1 capability, depend on what he’s facing

Classique GS/Axe Shield build at roaming stuff o/

n’joy

Full melee, shield(easy weap), greatsword(2nd easiest weap) and the rotation is based on 3thing, yeah the playstyle is ez. Not op at all but ez, same sheet for guard medit.

Ye but if a top war fight a top ele at mine in a private serv without interuption, and it happen a lot, war win, simple fact (shout vs dd) and it can take some time with ele y, but agains’t ingi it is rly quick

Well, shoutwar basically win over cele ele at 1v1, over ingi without crate(if crate up u need to play like da kitteng god) but point will be decaped 100%, and over the rest, and bring more support skills in team fight, weakness ? Ye only one, no stab just one break stun and one fear, one chain c/c and you’re dead and its kitteng hard to land banner agains’t a good teef. Ele D/D is in a good spot in my war pov, but ingi slick shoes crate are rly hard to defeat even tho you should defeat them if u play like a top war.

Yo, so because you lost a duel agains’t an ele when you used supply crate, supply crate need a buff right ? Nah just get gud son.

Ho okay! Thx you guys

Hey, nice proposals but I think using MMR to reward ppl insted of leaderboard rank isn’t that good because basically mmr is hidden and it would be less intuitive.

But ye they need to fix the leaderboard first because no one in the top 100 or even more deserv such a place, isn’t competitive at all. (or maybe competitve in term of who can spam the games faster than each other…)

Ranger isn’t even viable and nec need that little buff, watarutalkinbou’t

Good patch, I hope its not a fake

But the necro nerf is stupid tho

Hello,

back in the days the teamQ leaderboard was ok and only good players could reach the top, now its just a pointless spamming game, but you know that already so I ask you again : Any upgrate incomming to fix dat ?

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