Guild Wars 2

Odaman.8359:

Convince TC to stop running away from and i’ll be posting with bunny ears and fire works photoshopped into my score updates with compliments to everyone hidden in my chat.

Dear Odaman… you misunderstand us… We were running past you into first place.

Enjoy your set of steak-knives.

Odaman.8359:

Hard to respect anyone running from fights on a regular basis. I just hope T1 has more fighting oriented guilds than FA so that when they pvdoor everything TC owns you have nowhere to run to… forcing you to have “meaningless fights”.

Thank you for proving my point.

Mercenary Higgins.1807:

TC needs to pack their bags and go get kitten smashed face rolled in T1.

And if/when we do reach Tier 1 we will fight hard from reset to reset.

We will then congratulate the servers that have defeated us for their hard earned and well-deserved victory while showing grace in defeat.

What we won’t do is come to these forums and complain or make excuses about coverage, 2v1, recruiting, and lack of 20v20 GvG opportunities, while chest pumping about loot bags, and open field meaningless victories.

Little word of advice to you FA: respect your opposition if you wish your opposition to respect you.

Whitebeard.5172:

there is no taking that away from them.

But apparently you CAN take Hills, Bay, and Garrison away.

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/64762/gw115.jpg

Whitebeard.5172:

My worry Tears is that you have crossed the non threat threshold.

The dreaded non-threat threshold, defined as:

“A platonic relationship wherein one person wishes to enter into an RP-centric relationship, while the other does not. It is generally considered to be an undesirable situation by the RPer. Once the non-threat threshold is established, it is said to be difficult to move beyond that point to the hot-springs.”

Alisgale.6381:

Yeah and then the big bad boogeyman FA came and ruined your fun.

Only the big bad boogeyman wasn’t all that scary, brought candy and cookies, and we all had a dance party.

/loot
/dance

Furiousbeard.7602:

I fear you may have become too good at it. Being a wise “apple” that is.

But i guess if you’re going to create a persona, this is a good forum (pardon the irony) for it.

Why Furious…

Thanks for noticing!

Complements will get you EVERYWHERE!

…And Furious, just so you know.

I role-play a wise apple.

Case you were curious. (See what I did there?)

Furiousbeard.7602:

Well that’s too bad. Hopefully you can get the help you need.

We already got the help that we need for our overnight coverage.

We’re all good.

Whitebeard.5172:

Many of us in TC will be kind of sad to see FA drop to T3

I’ll be REALLY sad if they go.

Kinda like in the 1st grade when my best friend who just couldn’t keep up with the rest of the class was held back a year. The worst thing about him being in a different class was that we could no longer play dodge ball together at recess. Yeah the games were a bit lopsided, and I regret breaking his glasses when I hit him in the face that one time, but we always had a BLAST. At least I did.

And Furious…

My answer is no.

Andy.9137:

Just because FA is not posting walls of text of strategy does not mean that we have none.

Fair enough.

Bad strategy counts as well.

Hills and Bay. It just doesn’t feel right if you don’t have both of them. Kinda like splitting up twins.

Furiousbeard.7602:

Hope that makes sense.

Always helpful MrSilver.

Thanks dude!

Glad I could be there for ya!

Furiousbeard.7602:

Sunspots.9861:

Ulfnar.8317:

Excalibur.9748:

Let’s not drop down to FA’s level. We’re dominating them so much now, they’re just bitter that we’re much better in terms of coverage and skill level.

Anyone else find this post ironic?

And yes, we were ping ponging between maps last night trying to bolster our defenses and hold what we had. You know, doing that whole PPT thing that some of you guys are telling us to learn.

I don’t have anything to add…I just wanted this quoted so I can look back at it every time someone from BT says they only play for the fights.

But… if you have nothing to add, why not just re-read the post?

Seems rather odd and contradictory.

Because sometimes it is nice to bookmark posts by replying if they are something that you have found particularly interesting. It just makes it easier to find them.

Or sometimes people do it to add commentary, and the statement “I have nothing to add,” is really the poster saying +1.

Hope that makes sense.

Rawr.5930:

Aytrix.4059:

Lanimal.6541:

Aytrix.4059:

MrSilver.5269:

Ulfnar.8317:

And yes, we were ping ponging between maps last night trying to bolster our defenses and hold what we had. You know, doing that whole PPT thing that some of you guys are telling us to learn.

And practice makes perfect.

One day you’ll get there if you continue to work hard and don’t get discouraged because you aren’t seeing a return on your investment.

Or maybe we could just recruit our way to victory and then try and talk trash on the forums. Nah, that would be too easy.

You mean like the time we won T2 and took green without the new guilds coming over? (Note: We won T2 without superior coverage)

Yes, back when the tier was semi-balanced, congrats. Now that it isn’t anymore and winning is based on numbers, its funny how TCers pick now to come to the forums to chest thump. Just find it kinda sad.

I see mostly responses to backhanded sniping rather than outright chest thumping frankly.

Maybe if you’d stop with the now VERY old QQ about the usual crap EVERYONE is guilty off, then maybe we can have a civil thread without it always devolving into this pile of poop.

DING, DING, DING

We have a winnnaaaaaahh

You guys are super awesome!!! Good job!! Here is some cake.

Vash.9183:

Well, according to the millenium website, Dragonbrand is going to jump straight to 2nd place in tier 2 and it’s Fort Aspenwood that’s going to lose so much rating that it’ll drop straight to tier 3. and this is all for the next match-up. lol. Dragonbrand has an amazing SEA coverage and they just gained an NA guild from Jade Quarry.

That’s fantastic…

Finally a third server that can pull their weight!

Ulfnar.8317:

And yes, we were ping ponging between maps last night trying to bolster our defenses and hold what we had. You know, doing that whole PPT thing that some of you guys are telling us to learn.

And practice makes perfect.

One day you’ll get there if you continue to work hard and don’t get discouraged because you aren’t seeing a return on your investment.

That left a mark.

Dawn’s… I missed you.

Hopefully FA can get a 20v20 in tier 3.

BTeeeeeee come out an playaya

FA Garrison is cozy!

Isambard K. Brunel

George Stephenson

Michael Faraday

Frank Whittle

Keith Duckworth

and of course…

Scotty.

Expunge.4926:

I suppose we all do… but I also matured in a generation where I learned how to tell when keeping score really matters.

Exactly.

There are some games where we really need to keep score, and other games where we shouldn’t.

Couldn’t agree more!

nibbles.2408:

Everyone plays the game how they want. Respect that decision and move on.

Agreed.

I respect people that play the game just to have fun, because winning isn’t everything.

Expunge.4926:

it’s easy to play and have fun when ppt doesn’t give you a guilty conscience

I guess I see things differently… but I also grew up in a generation where they actually kept score in little league.

BTW, is your participation trophy in blue or red?

Quenta.2978:

Good fights last night in KNBL. I think I got like 7 WvW ranks there against that big TC zerg.

I helped complete guild missions.

It was very rewarding to know that I didn’t have to participate in WvW on a Thursday night because TC had amounted an insurmountable lead.

If TC wasn’t winning by tens of thousands of points I would have had a guilty conscience.

7 PvP ranks sounds like a really nice consolation prize though.

Congrats!

Interesting protection build… I would suggest Deadly Mixture in Elixirs, and med kit so you have some more access to swiftness and replace the condition removal.

Is there a link to the patch notes? I can’t seem to find them.

Loken.9724:

Excuse 1 down. What else you got TSL?

A first place tier 2 victory with a second incoming?

Don’t feel bad though, second place gets a set of steak knives.

Furiousbeard.7602:

Does anybody have a preference or suggestions on some good programs?

Yes,

I would like to see footage from the FA slaughter at the supply camp.

We will send the footage over to you so that you can cut your teeth in the editing room. There is plenty of footage so I’m really looking forward to seeing what you do with all of it.

Make sure that you get at least one shot of me running into the circle with Alodar against ~30+ FA who were unable to kill us.

Nerf engineers.

Epic battle over lowlands supply camp in FABL.

Nothing like having every single vendor covered with siege in EB.

Thanks for the link.

I don’t see how it would be too powerful… but even still isn’t a compromise to bump it up to 30-45 second cooldown, and remove the global.

I went with precision on toolkit because it pairs well with crit damage, and because practically there is less likelihood that you are going to miss if you are trying to hit someone pointblank with a wrench.

I’m fine with 200 power on bombs, and 100/100 on grenades.

Maybe switch med kit to 200 vitality, and make elixir gun 200 healing power.

… and thanks for your response!

If it were kit specific I would be fine with it.

Devs, If you are reading this…

Get rid of the global portion of the 20 second cool down.

Make the cooldown kit specific if you really want to make kit refinement useful.

Ok…

Just read this:

Creating these effects does not trigger the cooldowns of the associated skills.
All kit skills are on a static global recharge (20 seconds).

I’ll still try it out, but you appear to be correct it doesn’t look to be worth the investment.

The global cooldown is a killer.

This has got to be changed.

gimmethegepgun.1284:

Not sure if you were referring to KR or just the centaur runes, but the KR cooldown is 20s not 10s.

I’m not sure if I understand the mechanic to be honest.

Is it a 20 second global cooldown on each kit?

I was under the (mis)impression that in addition to the 20 second individual kit cooldown, that there was a 10 second global cooldown.

How does it work?

I know they aren’t the best, but I can’t live without the perma-swiftness from Centaur runes.

As for kit refinement, I can see some utility from it.

i.e., switch to Elixir gun, trigger glue trail (Activates a Glue Trail that follows the player for a short time. Enemies that step in the glue are briefly immobilized) and then hit acid bomb leaving a trail of glue behind you.

I try to stay in FT as long as possible, and switch to my other kits for utility, so the ten second cooldown although an issue, will be more predictable.

When switching from FT after 10 seconds I will know exactly what utility skill will be of most use depending on opponent.

I’m not saying you’re wrong…

I’m just saying I want to check it out for myself.

And thanks for your feedback!

I used to think that our kits limited us by taking away a utility spot. Clearly my glass was half-empty. I’ve changed my perspective.

I decided to put together a 4 kit build, as I believe that the real utility of the class comes from the individual skills hidden in each kit. I also wanted to play around with the new kit refinement.

I had been using FT and EG with great success coupled with Elixir S. I was motivated to go 4 kit because I’ve really missed the tool kit. Losing Elixir S on my utility bar may be tough, but the build takes auto Elixir S at 25%, and tool kit’s gear shield will hopefully bridge the gap.

I would appreciate any input you may have about the build.

Just so you have a better understanding of my philosophy/play-style, I like durable front-line tanky builds that are survivable and also have the ability to do moderate damage, as well as provide group support.

As such I like to shoot for around 3k attack 3k armor 40% crit (with food buffs pre-fury). I use soldier’s armor (p/v/t) with 6/6 rune of the centaur. I also use p/v/t trinkets, with exquisite emerald orbs (prec/power/toughness). My weapons (pistol shield) are knight’s (toughness/power/precision). I am open to suggestions on sigils. I go with +5% crit and +5% damage.

The four kits used are Med kit, Elixir Gun, Tool Kit, Flame Thrower

Elite: Supply Drop.

Here is the build:

0/30/0/20/20

30: V, VIII, XI
20: IV, VII
20: IV, VIII

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-VRw;2sPku0l6sTFx0;9;5T-JJ;147A;136-37-4N;46Rk06Rk06gL

I usually put 20 into inventions for more toughness and to trait my shield. I shifted them into tools for tool kit cool down, and tool belt reduction. I may go back to the 20 in inventions though if I feel the loss of durability is significant. The 20 I usually put into inventions are: V, and VII

Thoughts?

Great stuff here.

I really appreciate ALL of the VERY thoughtful responses. I know I have learned something.

I have been going more tanky with a 0/30/20/20/0 build, but as a result of the replies, I think I’m going to play around with 20 in explosives for additional might stacking from enhanced performance and incendiary power.

Would you suggest a sigil of superior strength for additional might stacking?

If not, what sigils do you suggest to run with a flamethrower build?

And thank you all again for all of your input.

Wenrolio.8063:

What were you really trying to go for? Not wanting to spread trait points so much between the firearms and alchemy trees? I’m not clear on your rationale for suggesting the changes.

This and that we have to take so many traits spread across multiple lines just to make Flamethrower viable.

Score update please.

Juggernaut:

Add the 15% damage increase from Deadly Mixture to Juggernaut, but bump it up to to 20-25%), and remove the might stacking component, and add 20% reduction of FT cooldowns. Then move Juggernaut to a tier II trait. Create a new tier 3 trait to replace juggernaut… i.e., gain might on critical hits (not weapon or kit specific).

As for the 200 toughness: see kit refinement below.

Deadly Mixture:

Change the deadly mixture trait to an elixir gun only boost… 15-20% increase in healing power, reduction of cooldowns on EG by 20%.

Kit refinement:

Change the trait again to give passive benefits depending on the kit you have equipped.

Med Kit: +200 Healing Power
Flamethrower: +200 Toughness
Elixir Gun: +200 Vitality
Bombs: +200 Condition Damage
Grenades: +200 Power
Toolkit: +200 Precision

Thoughts?

Score update please.

Score update please!!!!

Viking Jorun.5413:

Most people, however, do not run full condition removal builds

Pretty much.

I went back to p/d / sb in full carrion yesterday just to play around and was having fun again with conditions.

I was ticking bleeds at around 110-120 per tick. I’m finding that I can only get 10-15 stacks max now with the extra second added to the debuff. I vaguely remember being able to get 25 stacks with no problem. I’m running 101% condition duration. (45% to bleeds from gear, 20% from sigils, and 36% from pizza).

Am I doing something wrong?

Couple things about engineers you have to be careful of:

Elixir B has retaliation that can last 13 seconds on a traited 32 second cooldown, and there is a minor trait for an automatic elixir B when health reaches 75%. So you are talking about 26 seconds of retaliation with only a very short window of opportunity before Elixir B is back up again for another 13 seconds.

If the engineer has pistols they also have 3 seconds of confusion from #3 static shot on a untraited 15 second cool down.

As has been stated, they also have confusion from pry bar on tool kit, and projectile reflection from shield.

So basically the engineer can completely lock down range projectiles.

My bunker engineer has I wanna say 25K HPs, 3K armor, and 3.1K attack with 62% crit with food buffs and fury.

Engineers also can spec to have a ton of condition removal which nullifies p/d.

Thieves really aren’t a problem for me when I’m on my engineer, as I can reset almost any fight with 2 elixir S (1 auto at 25% one manual with a traited 48 sec cooldown).

That being said, I can’t beat a mesmer if my life depended on it.