Guild Wars 2

I’m still playing, but the same can’t be said for 90% of my guild, which quit as soon as the Ascended grind was introduced. They are all waiting for the impending release of another MMO that has full loot and is an unrestricted sandbox.

I’m still here, but for the most part I find myself running solo in WvW hoping to find small fights.

I have to admit, that the recent turn of events has sucked the enthusiasm I once had for the game from me. Since the game is free I’ll keep logging in, but have no intention of ever spending another penny at the gem store.

moirweyn.9872:

Nope, bad idea because it would not work. AOE would hit everyone around you unless you were all in a party all the time and that just don’t happen with events. So – that would mean no events which is a cornerstone of PvE.

WvW is open world PvP.

Oh and ‘open world pvp = non consensual pvp = I just wanna PK noobs’

AoE could be limited to people not in party, and would have to be used judiciously in other settings. It has been done in other games.

ENDORSE this idea fully.

I would LOVE to play on a full pvp server as suggested by the OP.

MAKE IT SO.

1. 1st minute of head start.
2. 616 hours 41 minutes.
3. 50 gold
4. 1 level 80
5. WvW is my sole source of income.
6. No MF gear.
7. I have you never gotten an exotic weapon from a mob.
8. I got an exotic weapon from a chest from world completion.
9. What’s the most number of rare weapons you have looted in one day or 8hrs time? No idea.
10. How many rare or exotic weapons do you “expect” to loot in one hour of time? I have no expectations because I’m not playing for loot.
11. How many lodestones have you looted total so far? (all types) I don’t even know what a lodestone is.
12. Do you craft? If so, do you have a 400 crafter? if so, how many? I have a 400 cook, and never use it.
13. Do you sell your looted crafting mats? (specify optional) I horde my crafted mats for no particular reason.
14. Do you feel your return, (in terms of items, completion, income, etc) for your time, has been worth it? I only wvw for fun.
15. In ONE word, what needs improved most; from your perspective? Engineers.

Lande.5782:

Getting Lion’s Arch overflow all the time now.

You do realize that the reason you get LA overflow is because that is where the entrance to FotM is.

LA is the only place with reliable population clusters.

My gaming background goes all the way back to before table top pong. (My first games were oldschool pinball).

I’ve been playing games online since around ’99. I usually stick with one main game for years at a time. The longest played games of my gaming career being Shadowbane, Lineage II, WoW, LoTRo, Aion, and now GW2. Each of these games I played for at least one year if not longer.

My MMO background:

Acheron’s call
Anarchy Online
Shadowbane
Star Wars Galaxies
Lineage II
EvE
WOW
EQII
Guild Wars
Archlord
D&D Online
AoC
LoTRO
Aion
Darkfall
Rift
Tera
Guild Wars 2

Do I love or hate Guildwars 2?

I loved it until I found out about the introduction of vertical gear progression. I’ve played my share of gear grinds. Never again. I’d rather spend time IRL with family, or at the office than do something in a game that I dislike immensely, i.e., repeatedly running dungeons for RNG drops. I thought I would be playing GW2 for years, and possibly until the release of GW3 if that ever came out. I’m currently debating my gaming options, which very well may be an outright retirement from MMOs.

What I loved about GW2:

WvW large scale epic sieges. So much fun.

Small scale behind the lines roaming pvp.

World exploration.

Jumping puzzles (learned to love them)- GW2 needs more of them.

Tweaking my build.

What I hated about GW2:

Every single dungeon. So boring. I refuse to run things more than once or twice. After I’ve done a scripted fight and seen the dungeon there is no reason for me to ever see it again. I just can’t stand pve raids.

Sumii.2845:

Why should we (ArenaNet) care:

• For starters while the population is made of players they are first and foremost consumers. They will play whatever they are content with and carry their buying power with them in that regards. If you alienate the majority or even a noticeable margin of your player base without any sort of formal answer you are effectively jeopardizing a majority or noticeable amount of your revenue. The best way for you (ArenaNet) to get the best RoI is by keeping your direction, planning, and ideas out in the open and very forthcoming to your consumers. The minute you (ArenaNet) treat consumers like cattle that can be corralled into any shape or fashion is the minute you’re likely to lose that valuable RoI.

• Aside from losing consumers you’re damaging any future legacy your brand name might have. I am a Marketing & Brand Developer. I work in progressing my brand’s name and making sure that it’s outlook in the future is improved. By jeopardizing your brand’s image you are liable to lose any future chance of new consumers or old consumers giving you a second chance.

• Potential lawsuits. I don’t advocate this, but let’s face it. The world today has become something of a frenzy in the courts. The issue is if you (ArenaNet) keep going down this road and direction without any regard to consumers you are putting yourself at risk. There are already precedents for virtual items that are owned by the company still being ruled in favor of the plaintiff (the player who lost said virtual property by whatever means). But more importantly, by putting out a manifesto, selling the product as such and along the lines of the manifesto puts you at an even greater risk. A number of states have what is known as Deceptive Trade & Practices Acts which you would do well to be wary of. Here are a few snippets from Texas’ said DTPA

• The underlying purpose of this Act is to protect consumers against false, misleading, and deceptive business practices, unconscionable actions, and breaches of warranty and to provide efficient and economical procedures to secure such protection. This Act is intended to be liberally construed and applied. A consumer is defined as one who seeks or acquires by purchase or lease any goods or services.

• …Seller takes advantage of “consumers” lack of knowledge, ability, experience, or capacity to a grossly unfair degree.

• …Representing that goods or services are of a particular standard, quality or grade, or that goods are of a particular style or model, if they are of another.

• …Fitness: Good can do what the sales person said it would do.

Let me please re-iterate that I am not condoning or advocating this kind of response, however it would be naive to think that this type of stuff doesn’t happen. People make ridiculous claims all the time that jeopardize companies and make them question why they even stay open to do business with such issues.

Sum It Up:

All this is conjecture and way overboard. It is based on a pre-tense of what could happen if ArenaNet keeps going down this road. Which I believe is something the majority (even upset consumers) don’t think ArenaNet intended (or intends) to do. But the last couple of weeks on the forums and in the game have been a melee and a constant bickering (even I have contributed to that).

So again, can we PLEASE have a formal statement from ArenaNet, regardless of direction of decision?

TLDR: Invest in the time to read and understand rather than looking for the shortened Cliff’s notes version. If this is too much to ask, just move along, thanks!

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Quoted your second post for emphasis.

Anyone else purchase this game, or gems to be converted to gold on the false pretense that they would never have to upgrade their gear above exotics?

I know I did.

I won’t make that mistake twice.

Araushnee.1852:

I think I have over 400 hours, but I’m not sure as I wasn’t counting. I play almost everyday. And bought at a minimum of $50 worth in gems every month. And I bought my first $50 back in July during the last beta event. I haven’t bought anything this month though. So I spent over $250 if you include the game. ::sigh::

I think I have 3 or 4 pieces of level 80 exotic equipment, and that’s it. I don’t like to play one character all the time, although recently I’ve been doing a lot of farming to upgrade my gear.

I think my investment is about the same. ..

and my credit card won’t be used on this game again if I have to replace all the jewels I bought with gold obtained from converted gems on the false pretense that I would never ever have to do it again.

Man… my posts are disappearing everywhere..

kRiza krimos.1637:

MrSilver.5269:

Kravick.4906:

I have over 938 hours played in this game so far. I only know of 2 other people who have me beat. I’d say I’m a dedicated player. I’ve even spent money in the gem store. I consider myself a dedicated player. I haven’t played any other game since GW2 launched.

With that said, I think ascended gear is a huge mistake that will drive me away from the game if it continues. I have no desire to gear treadmill. Been there, done that, never want to repeat it again.

This, this, this.

I have 100% map completion, two sets of exotic gear for my main, just shy of 500 badges banked for gift of battle after already purchasing my exotic chest piece from badges, 49g banked, an inventory full of blueprints from jumping puzzles, every single inventory spot opened from gems, bank spots purchased, working on getting every dye for my main, and thousands upon thousands oh wvw kills.

I’m dedicated.

And I will never play FotM for ascended gear, and will leave the game if I don’t hear some details about alternative ways to obtain ascended through karma/wvw soon.

What blueprints from jumpig puzzles?

And badges.

Narkosys.5173:

… and stopped a friend from getting this game because of anet willingness to change direction on a whim..

Word of mouth goes very far in the mmo community. I also have stopped trying to get friends to leave wow for this game. The lack of gear grind was my selling point.

Kravick.4906:

I have over 938 hours played in this game so far. I only know of 2 other people who have me beat. I’d say I’m a dedicated player. I’ve even spent money in the gem store. I consider myself a dedicated player. I haven’t played any other game since GW2 launched.

With that said, I think ascended gear is a huge mistake that will drive me away from the game if it continues. I have no desire to gear treadmill. Been there, done that, never want to repeat it again.

This, this, this.

I have 100% map completion, two sets of exotic gear for my main, just shy of 500 badges banked for gift of battle after already purchasing my exotic chest piece from badges, 49g banked, an inventory full of blueprints from jumping puzzles, every single inventory spot opened from gems, bank spots purchased, working on getting every dye for my main, and thousands upon thousands oh wvw kills.

I’m dedicated.

And I will never play FotM for ascended gear, and will leave the game if I don’t hear some details about alternative ways to obtain ascended through karma/wvw soon.

Add one more to the list. I’ll keep playing wvw exclusively, but the time in game will be less and less.

Farzo.8410:

• Lurking the forums for a ray of light response from ArenaNet apologizing, and explaining what’s actually happening to them.

Lol… This is what I’m doing now as well… Sitting on the couch watching football, lurking with my iPad.
Been playing since bwe1, and have been following the game for two years.

Melonbrew.9681:

Which I say again. Thats what they advertised. Been playing MMO’s long enough to know if this Little progression u call it is going to turn into more. If it brings in money it’s gonna happen end of.

I was so happy about this game. I have a family, I don’t have time to play MMO’s for 4-5 hours a night anymore. This game was my answer for still been able to play MMO’s and not get stuck at gated progression due to my real life commitments. But instead the MMO whiners and grinders got there way.

Shame on Arenanet

I’m with you. I’ve been playing mmos for almost 15 years now. The genre is the only gaming I play. I don’t have the time anymore to do gear grinds, and I thought GW2 was the Holy Grail for aging mmo gamers

Ohh well.

I’m waiting for the afternoon football games… Watched the early games. Will watch the night game. I’d rather watch a game for fun, than play a game that requires me to “work” to stay competitive.

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Thanks… And what does the stat jump look like? ~10%?

they already accidentally showed the legendary gear stats. sorry, but you are incorrect.

Where did you see this? Link?

Tolmos.8395:

Legendaries used to be best in slot ALONG WITH EXOTICS before this patch. These “drama queens” seem to be far more knowledgable of the situation than you do.

Ascended items do not bridge any gap- there was no gap to bridge. They created a gap the same day they added the gap filler. THAT is the issue here. Ascended items are just the poster children for the problem- that new stats were added for no good reason and now people who had no intention of grinding out for their looks because they already had the best in slot (exotics) are now stuck in a choice of being left behind stat wise, or joining in the WoW style gear treadmill that Arenanet is trying to create.

So before raging, with tears in your eyes, about how no one here has done their homework, you would do well to research a little on your own.

There is no way to describe the issue clearer than this poster has.

I purchased this game because of the specific assurance that there would not be a gear grind, that the exotics were best in slot, and they would ALWAYS be best in slot. I purchased gems with irl $ to convert to gold under market value to get my exotic jewels because of this specific assurance. I elected to make my purchase with Arenanet because I wanted to support the company, rather than doing what so many others are doing: purchasing gold from gold sellers at a MUCH better value.

I won’t EVER make another gem purchase as a result, and I’m actively considering a new game.

I am not alone.

Add ascended armor to the list. I haven’t stepped one foot inside the FotM instance, and never plan on it. I’d be willing to spend $50 bucks for a full ascended armor set if/when if releases, however.

I hate to say it because I’m worried it will get the N-bat, but in wvw I slot X underwater

I haven’t been back to LA since the patch, and don’t have any intention to run FotM… ever.

Hoping that ascended will in fact be released via wvw / karma., and are reasonable to obtain.

I am definitely less excited about logging in, because I simply dread the thought of having to grind more gear. I spent IRL money at the gem store to convert to gold to purchase my jewels on the promise that I would never have to do it again. 3 months later that I find that I was induced to spend my money by ANET money on false pretenses.

I feel like I was robbed, and it simply does not make me want to log in. I’m typing this post from the office on my day off, because I decided to go to work rather than logging in. Yes, I’m on the forums, but only because I wanted to voice my frustration. Not because I hate this game, but because the opposite.

But to answer the OP’s question, I’ll still be in game, but nowhere near the amount that I usually am. Once I get this feeling about a game, it usually results in a death spiral, and before long it is uninstalled.

The bottom line is that I was spoiled by a game called Shadowbane that had full-open world no restrictions asset destruction pvp, with easy leveling, and no gear treadmill. I’ve been chasing the horizon ever since to find another game that can match it.

I was hoping that GW2 would be a nice happy medium for an aging MMOer that just doesn’t have the time anymore to grind.

Starting to look like that was a pipe dream.

Such a bummer because I REALLY was in love with this game.

I’ve been in the same guild since about 2006. We are a pvp-centric guild that does some pve as the game requires. Many of us are IRL friends. All of us have full-time jobs, families, lives. Needless to say, our time in game is precious.

After the first weekend there was already difficulty getting full guild groups to run FotM, because of the tier discrepancy. I can’t even imagine what it would be like to try to pug it.

I haven’t even been back to Lion’s Arch since the release of the patch as I have been spending my time split between 100% completion (I was hoping to some day get a legendary weapon), and WvW.

Now that I am well behind the curve of FoTM I just have no desire to play catch-up. I personally can’t stand pve and REALLY can’t stand pve when I HAVE to do it for competitiveness on the pvp side of things.

There is another game coming out that I was planning on skipping altogether. Guess it is time to take another look at it.

Such a bummer.

Read the second post to this thread. They are aware, and they are working on a fix.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Can-you-fix-it-culling

John Lucier.5486:

Nope, with the new ascended system they will be forced to introduce a PVP stat, Resilience anyone? Even AION had it…. because even if they release ascended gear as is for badges or karma, they will never be able to balance it so the players who are NOT wow locust dungeon farmers will be on the same par as those dungeon farmers, in which case just like Agony resistance, they will have to release a stat for the PVP facit, only obtainable through wvwvw… further turning the game into WoW

God, I hope you’re wrong, but get the uncomfortable feeling that you’re right.

I take it all back Stiv… all of it! wink

But seriously, there are some culling and rendering issues that still need to be addressed.

If you can survive a thieve’s initial burst chances are you will win the fight (if we are talking about the steal/C&D/BS 2xs dagger thief). My entire build now centers around crit and stun mitigation. Did my DPS take a hit… yup. But you can’t do damage if you are dead.

I went up against a dual pistol thief the other day that was wearing no chest piece, I kid you not, and the guy was rock solid. I lost twice to him… and it had absolutely nothing to do with stealth.

I know that this suggestion is little more than a pipe dream, but in WvW an engineer should be given the ability to fix damaged siege weapons as well as buff their damage.

Just a thought.

Same here. Everyone in my guild experiencing lag spikes, and rendering issues in wvw.

Most of us just logged off, because it is pretty unplayable atm.

I guess I missed both! Sorry!

I’m not changing classes, as my build didn’t get impacted by the patch, and because I’m attached to my character, and because I’m too lazy to roll another, and because my guild is eyeing something else that is shinny and new.

Ohhh…

And because I still love the engineer class despite its flaws.

Anyone else notice that they removed the ability to obtain an opposing player’s gamer ID by clicking report?

Just because you voice dissent doesn’t mean you don’t love the game. I love this game, and have voiced dissent BECAUSE of my love for the game.

Try sup. rune of the centaur with med kit.

alanis.6094:

This gear needs to be obtainable outside a dungeon or there are going to be a lot less people playing and buying stuff.

So true.

They said it will be, but who knows how long that will take.

HenryAu.7523:

The only reason I would choose superior rune of the Centaur is to group swiftness buff (on every CD using medkit), and to get away from spending 10 trait points on speedy kit while keeping permanent swiftness (need medkit skill 5 as well).

This is exactly why I chose Centaur, and don’t regret it for one second.

BurnWeed.5902:

personally i’d rather have the option of putting a utility skill in the elite slot

That makes two of us!!!

There are so many great choices to chose from.

“Here’s what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can’t realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games — we leave the grind to other MMOs.” -Mike Obrien, President of Arenanet

We really need to have all available information released on these new changes. Release all of the stats on all of the new Ascended gear, and let us know exactly what needs to be done to obtain them.

@Wintyre Fraust.6534

FANTASTIC post. Read every word and couldn’t agree more, especially on the cash shop items.

I want this company to make money. Lots of it.

Give me a reason to spend.

If they are having issues with generating revenue how about introducing a ton of new (and good) cosmetic skins that may be transmuted into your wearable gear and that may only be purchased with a new form of gem that can’t be traded for gold.

I know I would be more than willing to spend at least $10-15 per month on cosmetic improvements.

There is so much that could be done to improve the current items that are purchasable with gems.

For example:

30 slot bags
Weapon skins
Underwater armor skins
Customizable Titles
Designable Guild military-type uniforms beyond just an emblem.
Guild only Commander icons (i.e., can only be seen by other members of a guild)

I’d also be willing to go so far as to purchase a fully leveled and geared character. Let’s say for $150.00 you get a completed level 80 with your choice of soulbound level 80 exotic armor, weapon and trinkets. I know that that idea is probably more than most can stomach, but the point is, I am willing to spend irl money to buy in-game items if the in-game items were worth purchasing.

In any event, my point is that if revenue is the issue, please figure out a way to solve the problem without going against the manifesto.

fathamburger.8453:

Unfortunately I had to write what was probably the first piece of bad press that GW2 has ever gotten because of this. I did not enjoy it.

http://www.examiner.com/article/guild-wars-2-may-take-it-s-first-critical-mis-step-upcoming-lost-shores-exp

Thanks for sharing the link. It has been reposted on my guild forums, and sums up my feelings perfectly.

I’m not interested in playing another game with a gear treadmill, and neither are most of the veteran players I know that migrated to GW2 because the game was built without one.

There is a true pvp-centric sandbox squeal that is on the verge of release. Most of my guild came to GW2 from the original, and it will be difficult to keep the guild in this title now.

Such a bummer because I really love this game.

Thrumdi.9216:

An official blog post I left two previous Realm vs Realm games when gear grinds necessary for PvP were introduced. I was hoping it wouldn’t happen to GW2, but I guess it’s the genre. They can’t avoid it. Though we’ll have to wait and see how bad it is.

If it is truly bad, this will probably be my last MMO.

EDIT: Actually, the blog says Ascended Rings come from the dungeon, back pieces from the Mystic Forge. Looks WvW’ers will have to grind dungeons.

So frustrated to hear about this.

I feel the same way. The MMO genre has been ruined by gear treadmills.

Fantastic post. I share the concerns articulated, and echo the sentiment. I’m one of the gamers that has been playing the mmo genre since the late 90s. I no longer have the time to play a game with a constantly evolving gear progression, and have migrated to GW2 primarily for the wvw content.

I was on the verge of retiring from mmos completely, but held out for GW2’s release. I love the game as it currently stands, and don’t need artificial treadmill content to keep my interest.

PLEASE reconsider your position on this issue ANET.

@DisplacedTitan6897

Please leave your politics off this forum, as this is the one place where we can go and not be bombarded with political opinion.

Voted that I will leave gw2 if a gear grind is introduced.

Please lock this thread. It doesn’t add anything that already isn’t in the other huge thread, and to me looks like it may be a troll looking to create flames.

And one more onto the pile of people who do NOT want to see more powerful gear being introduced.

I’m not interested in anything that remotely resembles a gear grind. I don’t want to have to do pve content to be able to maintain competitiveness in wvw pvp.

Please rethink this ArenaNet

Thanks for the responses… that pretty much just answered my question about whether I’d finish my thief.

Stiv.1820:

My personal counter is ~20K health, ~2600 armor, instant AoE blind+ stealth and passive teleport on CC every minute.

I’m at 21K health and ~2,500 armor.

I can’t speak for other classes but the engineer has traits that allows you to survive the thief’s initial burst and get distance.

I’m not saying that I never die to a thief, but I played for 3+ hours last night in EBG and I did not die to any thief from a steal/C&D/backstab. Matter of fact, I almost never die to a thief anymore from a steal/C&D/backstab, and before my switch ~3/4s of my deaths were to thieves.

I’ve gotten my thief up to level 41 now, and probably won’t level it much further. That said, if I were to finish it I would not spec full glass cannon.

The one skill that I really have my eyes on is hard to catch. I’m not experienced enough with the thief to know if going that deep into acrobatics will completely kitten you.

For those of you with experience, how does an acrobatics build play out?