Guild Wars 2

Haha, I’ve been there for the worst of times and the best. This’ll be fun! Booyah. ~(o.o)!

rchu.8945:

Murmaider.1805:

Thief here, I went onto the Thief forums and was lucky enough to have a floaty to swim around in the tears. I don’t get it, I’m excited. I’m hoping these changes get the fotm profession hoppers off of thief, so I can continue to enjoy the profession I chose since beta.

why are the thieves crying? Clearly Mesmers got the the most buffs, and yet Thieves will still eat them alive. If anything, Mesmers should still be crying because with the buffs they are still hard countered by the the same popular thief class.

I don’t know, it makes no sense to me haha

If you’re not, I’m sorry! I’ve been playing Thief since beta, and no amount of change will stop that. I love my thief and if you do too, you’ll adapt. It’s not that bad. The rest of you can go play engis! Thank you AN for changing up my game.

Thief here, I went onto the Thief forums and was lucky enough to have a floaty to swim around in the tears. I don’t get it, I’m excited. I’m hoping these changes get the fotm profession hoppers off of thief, so I can continue to enjoy the profession I chose since beta.

I see what you’re saying. I agree. I’ve just always found players with good group synergy to be admirable in a different way than a really gifted solo player. I admire solo players that wreck the fields because it takes time and a crap ton of patience to learn by yourself. I admire team play in a different way because it’s more than just about you. It’s about finding the right people, learning how they think and having solid synergy together as an entire entity on a competitive level. Once again, I’m saying both types of play shouldn’t be overlooked. I never said premades should be rewarded more than a solo player, just not forgotten.

Black Ninja.4325:

Sounds like a L2P issue.. first dont play hotjoin and it will get better ! get a better build and maybe a better internet connection (?). I play a warrior too and all of my skills work perfectly ! I played alot of pvp in WoW before gw2 and i must say that gw2 is alot more balanced and less bugged than WoW ! gw2 pvp is really hard at first maybe that is why you struggle so much, play more and fights will gets better and easier ! watch some guides on youtube, it helps alot.

PS; sorry for my bad english, i’m trying my best

Thank you. Coming from WoW, this game is amazing.

jihm.2315:

Murmaider.1805:

jihm.2315:

Murmaider.1805:

Sweetbread.4701:

Murmaider.1805:

bhagwad.4281:

Murmaider.1805:

Sweetbread.4701:

Then go have fun in a ranked team queue if it doesn’t matter where you do it.

I could… hmm yes indeed. Oh wait I do! With my casual friends, they prefer unranked, they like the other maps as well So I guess we’ll agree to disagree and I’ll just keep stomping the field.

Like I said, no one can stop you from being ill-mannered. Our job is only to make you aware of the fact. The rest is up to you. And your friends (who may not want to be ill-mannered once they’ve been informed.).

Lol, my friends won’t care. They’re childhood friends as well as my brother. This is one of the few ways we can all keep in touch and many of them way more casual than I am. So I think they’ll take having a decent time with some old super casual buddies over catering to a bunch of whiny flower children. I won’t stop them if they want to do any of those crappy maps, I’ll value my time with my friends over some moot crusade for bringing back single player queues.

Well at least you admit you have no actual argument. Sorry, but your inability to text, or use Facebook, or have a friendship that doesn’t fall to pieces if you can’t farm pugs in GW2 is not a valid reason to shaft the entire solo queue playerbase. Or God forbid you actually just have to use freaking hotjoin for its original, casual purpose in the future. Stop being a selfish child and think objectively for 30 seconds before posting next time, you look like a complete fool that can’t think of anything but themself.

slams head on desk – I’m done. I would like to find a nice common ground, but it won’t happen. I hope one day, you can stop being so angry and enjoy a nice solo PvP experience without trying to hamper those around you who also like to group. G’day

Edit – And I don’t know man, maybe I just come from a different time. Solo in any other game ran such a greater risk, that maybe I just don’t understand what’s going on here. I’m dumb that way I guess! DAoC solo play was extreme if you were a visi, EQ solo play was near impossible, WoW solo play, you still get matched against premades all of the time, but they never saw it as a big deal, etc. S0rry for making no sense to anybody but myself apparently.

in wow there was no premades until they introduced an addon that queued teams in random bgs and there was a huge fuzz about it.
it was just a little before bgs died and got full of bots.
the only premades where the ranked ones

Ahh yeah I remember that, caused an uproar for sure. Really wasn’t fair, at all. Makes this game seem angelic compared to it haha

and you think repeating the same mistakes here is a good thing?

when we talk about something is because we want the good for this game
premades are not something that will keep the people around for long
the guilds that farm unranked wont save the game they will destroy it.

only the feeling that when you enter solo and give an advantage to premades makes you play a lot less or not even play at all.

i still have faith that they will bring solo q back and i will start playing spvp again , we all do mistakes.

No, I think adding a separate queue for only premades is good and having no reward for team synergy is bad. I’m sure they’ll bring solo q back, but I wonder why they removed it in the first place. I play solo way more than any kind of grouping, still haven’t had bad run-ins with premades but I guess I’m missing that or something lol.

Wishful thinking, but I’d love some sort of PvP legendary weapons that are earned through PvP stuff strictly. I know it’s possible right now, but only with map completions. I just get frustratingly bored with PvE. However that’d work, I’m not thinking too hard about it. Would just be cool to me.

+1 I love this idea

jihm.2315:

Murmaider.1805:

Sweetbread.4701:

Murmaider.1805:

bhagwad.4281:

Murmaider.1805:

Sweetbread.4701:

Then go have fun in a ranked team queue if it doesn’t matter where you do it.

I could… hmm yes indeed. Oh wait I do! With my casual friends, they prefer unranked, they like the other maps as well So I guess we’ll agree to disagree and I’ll just keep stomping the field.

Like I said, no one can stop you from being ill-mannered. Our job is only to make you aware of the fact. The rest is up to you. And your friends (who may not want to be ill-mannered once they’ve been informed.).

Lol, my friends won’t care. They’re childhood friends as well as my brother. This is one of the few ways we can all keep in touch and many of them way more casual than I am. So I think they’ll take having a decent time with some old super casual buddies over catering to a bunch of whiny flower children. I won’t stop them if they want to do any of those crappy maps, I’ll value my time with my friends over some moot crusade for bringing back single player queues.

Well at least you admit you have no actual argument. Sorry, but your inability to text, or use Facebook, or have a friendship that doesn’t fall to pieces if you can’t farm pugs in GW2 is not a valid reason to shaft the entire solo queue playerbase. Or God forbid you actually just have to use freaking hotjoin for its original, casual purpose in the future. Stop being a selfish child and think objectively for 30 seconds before posting next time, you look like a complete fool that can’t think of anything but themself.

slams head on desk – I’m done. I would like to find a nice common ground, but it won’t happen. I hope one day, you can stop being so angry and enjoy a nice solo PvP experience without trying to hamper those around you who also like to group. G’day

Edit – And I don’t know man, maybe I just come from a different time. Solo in any other game ran such a greater risk, that maybe I just don’t understand what’s going on here. I’m dumb that way I guess! DAoC solo play was extreme if you were a visi, EQ solo play was near impossible, WoW solo play, you still get matched against premades all of the time, but they never saw it as a big deal, etc. S0rry for making no sense to anybody but myself apparently.

in wow there was no premades until they introduced an addon that queued teams in random bgs and there was a huge fuzz about it.
it was just a little before bgs died and got full of bots.
the only premades where the ranked ones

Ahh yeah I remember that, caused an uproar for sure. Really wasn’t fair, at all. Makes this game seem angelic compared to it haha

Sweetbread.4701:

Murmaider.1805:

Sweetbread.4701:

Murmaider.1805:

bhagwad.4281:

Murmaider.1805:

Sweetbread.4701:

Then go have fun in a ranked team queue if it doesn’t matter where you do it.

I could… hmm yes indeed. Oh wait I do! With my casual friends, they prefer unranked, they like the other maps as well So I guess we’ll agree to disagree and I’ll just keep stomping the field.

Like I said, no one can stop you from being ill-mannered. Our job is only to make you aware of the fact. The rest is up to you. And your friends (who may not want to be ill-mannered once they’ve been informed.).

Lol, my friends won’t care. They’re childhood friends as well as my brother. This is one of the few ways we can all keep in touch and many of them way more casual than I am. So I think they’ll take having a decent time with some old super casual buddies over catering to a bunch of whiny flower children. I won’t stop them if they want to do any of those crappy maps, I’ll value my time with my friends over some moot crusade for bringing back single player queues.

Well at least you admit you have no actual argument. Sorry, but your inability to text, or use Facebook, or have a friendship that doesn’t fall to pieces if you can’t farm pugs in GW2 is not a valid reason to shaft the entire solo queue playerbase. Or God forbid you actually just have to use freaking hotjoin for its original, casual purpose in the future. Stop being a selfish child and think objectively for 30 seconds before posting next time, you look like a complete fool that can’t think of anything but themself.

slams head on desk – I’m done. I would like to find a nice common ground, but it won’t happen. I hope one day, you can stop being so angry and enjoy a nice solo PvP experience without trying to hamper those around you who also like to group. G’day

Edit – And I don’t know man, maybe I just come from a different time. Solo in any other game ran such a greater risk, that maybe I just don’t understand what’s going on here. I’m dumb that way I guess! DAoC solo play was extreme if you were a visi, EQ solo play was near impossible, WoW solo play, you still get matched against premades all of the time, but they never saw it as a big deal, etc. S0rry for making no sense to anybody but myself apparently.

Solo as in everyone in the match on both sides queues solo. This isn’t exactly rocket surgery here. Solo players just want their venue to fight other solo players on even ground back. Right now all we have is solo vs premades or premades vs premades. I am beyond baffled at how this makes no sense to you or how solo queuers getting their own queue in anyway infringes on your ability to queue as a group. If Ranked queue isn’t kids gloves enough for your team then there’s always hotjoin for casual play. Why are you even arguing in here if you can’t grasp such a simple concept? Are you that self entitled that even when you have no idea what’s going on you have to enforce your kitten illogical opinion that you haven’t thought out even remotely? After that anecdotal “this is how I stay in touch with my friends” post I’m definitely leaning towards yes.

.. and I’ve said there should be a solo vs solo option brought back. I’ve also said matching up solos with premades isn’t fair for soloers, but you ignore that too. The only thing you said back about adding a solo vs solo queue was “Uh well like A-Net u kno how they r”. So you’re arguing nothing with me..Just that you want the unranked to be solo only. Which I would agree with, if I knew other people out there wouldn’t like to group up for the maps in unranked.

Fluffball.8307:

Toxsa.2701:

It also shows how bad the game balance is, that running 3 mediation Guardian is ok while having 2 thieves or 2 necros have a great disadvantage, despite all being zerk class. It already shows who’s at the top of food chain.

Thieves are basically a requirement, though. Is there any high ranking team that doesn’t use one at all?

1 thief is overpowered, 2 thieves are auto-lose.

It’s funny how that works, but so true

Sweetbread.4701:

Murmaider.1805:

bhagwad.4281:

Murmaider.1805:

Sweetbread.4701:

Then go have fun in a ranked team queue if it doesn’t matter where you do it.

I could… hmm yes indeed. Oh wait I do! With my casual friends, they prefer unranked, they like the other maps as well So I guess we’ll agree to disagree and I’ll just keep stomping the field.

Like I said, no one can stop you from being ill-mannered. Our job is only to make you aware of the fact. The rest is up to you. And your friends (who may not want to be ill-mannered once they’ve been informed.).

Lol, my friends won’t care. They’re childhood friends as well as my brother. This is one of the few ways we can all keep in touch and many of them way more casual than I am. So I think they’ll take having a decent time with some old super casual buddies over catering to a bunch of whiny flower children. I won’t stop them if they want to do any of those crappy maps, I’ll value my time with my friends over some moot crusade for bringing back single player queues.

Well at least you admit you have no actual argument. Sorry, but your inability to text, or use Facebook, or have a friendship that doesn’t fall to pieces if you can’t farm pugs in GW2 is not a valid reason to shaft the entire solo queue playerbase. Or God forbid you actually just have to use freaking hotjoin for its original, casual purpose in the future. Stop being a selfish child and think objectively for 30 seconds before posting next time, you look like a complete fool that can’t think of anything but themself.

slams head on desk – I’m done. I would like to find a nice common ground, but it won’t happen. I hope one day, you can stop being so angry and enjoy a nice solo PvP experience without trying to hamper those around you who also like to group. G’day

Edit – And I don’t know man, maybe I just come from a different time. Solo in any other game ran such a greater risk, that maybe I just don’t understand what’s going on here. I’m dumb that way I guess! DAoC solo play was extreme if you were a visi, EQ solo play was near impossible, WoW solo play, you still get matched against premades all of the time, but they never saw it as a big deal, etc. S0rry for making no sense to anybody but myself apparently.

Liam McColgan.7689:

This a sad thread. I feel for you Tayln. I regard myself as fairly competent in pvp but even i find solo queue just a nightmare now.

90% of the time you come up against a premade of some sorts. Now for someone who usually queues with a team, i leave often thinking; “if i was with my team we would have won that, or at the very least given them a game”.

Buffing or nerfing MMR’s just so you get a queue pop is ridiculous. I cannot believe ANET actually thought that would be a good idea. If you asked people, i bet 99% would say they would rather wait in a queue another 3-5 mins than get a quicker queue pop, with an inflated mmr only to face a tryhard premade, who clearly have a strategic/coordination advantage regardless of individual skill. This is before we get onto the 6 min queues with NOTHING TO DO!!!!!!!

And from the other angle, i HATE queueing as a part-premade….eg 3-4. The pug you get, ends up not being on the same wave length/ skill level and it’s just frustrating for both parties. None of us asked for this.

You simply cannot have premades v pugs and still expect a competitive environment.

You are not the only one and sure wont be the last to cry over the state of pvp queueing right now.

THIS IS WHY YOU NEED A 2v2/ 3V3 mode. So people who want to play with a buddy or do not have their full team online, can still play in a competitive environment, where you know the only thing that will matter is skill, not whether the team has been together for 2 years, and using ts, fighting a bunch of randomers who have 0 synergy. Keep conquest 5/5, but dont force smaller groups to play it if it means they will face a premade.

Yes, I don’t find fighting pugs fun, it’s just not my choice. Even in Ranked. Matchups need to be friendlier for people

Sweetbread.4701:

So basically we’ve just come full circle to: “my being able to have the option to kitten around is greater than solo queuers right to a fair match up. YOU DONT DECIDE WHATS FUN. STOP PERSECUTING ME!!!” Aaaaand repeat. Real genius here folks. No wonder Anet’s catering to that crowd and pvp is absolutely booming as a result.

So basically we’ve just come full circle to: “The fact that I can’t queue solo and enjoy my time playing PvP means nobody else should queue grouped and enjoy PvP, by my own self-stacked moral high ground” You see how this goes both ways? Nice semantics, making me look like a redneck fighting for his gun rights haha.

Pooter.5047:

I love PvP and would say about 85% of my time in GW2 has been spent in the arenas. That being said, I would definitely consider myself a casual player because I really don’t get a chance to play much.

I would really like to join a guild/team that enjoys playing PvP but won’t crap on me for being an average player or for not investing much time into the game. I’m rank 37 and feel that I have a good comfort level with my guardian, but considering I always play solo queue, it’s really hard to tell if I am actually decent, or if the peeps around me simply suck. I really want to learn more and improve and want to become more competitive, but I don’t feel like I will get that from playing solo all the time.

Any recommendations for guilds or teams that love to play PvP and enjoy teaching other players?

There are some guilds that do it, but like others have said, not many. I’m in a guild that does ranked groups all of the time, always busy. The nice thing bout sPvP guilds is that the good ones are where all the players tend to gravitate. So while there aren’t many, there are some quality ones. Unfortunately the one I’m in is only recruiting ranked 60+ at the moment

bhagwad.4281:

Murmaider.1805:

Sweetbread.4701:

Then go have fun in a ranked team queue if it doesn’t matter where you do it.

I could… hmm yes indeed. Oh wait I do! With my casual friends, they prefer unranked, they like the other maps as well So I guess we’ll agree to disagree and I’ll just keep stomping the field.

Like I said, no one can stop you from being ill-mannered. Our job is only to make you aware of the fact. The rest is up to you. And your friends (who may not want to be ill-mannered once they’ve been informed.).

Lol, my friends won’t care. They’re childhood friends as well as my brother. This is one of the few ways we can all keep in touch and many of them way more casual than I am. So I think they’ll take having a decent time with some old super casual buddies over catering to a bunch of whiny flower children. I won’t stop them if they want to do any of those crappy maps, I’ll value my time with my friends over some moot crusade for bringing back single player queues.

Sweetbread.4701:

Then go have fun in a ranked team queue if it doesn’t matter where you do it.

I could… hmm yes indeed. Oh wait I do! With my casual friends, they prefer unranked, they like the other maps as well So I guess we’ll agree to disagree and I’ll just keep stomping the field.

“Or you could show regard for other people’s feelings and not “have fun” at the cost of others. If you’re serious about your preference, you could always create or join a custom server to “have fun” simply because you have the numbers to create one, which soloers do not.

Obviously no one can stop you from teaming up even a full 5-member team in unranked if you want. It’s just incredibly bad manners and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

As for wanting a solo queue, that’s a pretty big demand already if you’ve been reading the forums. Since Anet hasn’t listened yet, the only other thing we can do is to create a culture where teams are simply not welcome in unranked. We can’t stop you, but the community can make you feel bad about it."

A community of soloers? Oh my sweet lanta what will I do?! You misunderstand, which is common of you. I don’t have fun at the cost of others, I have fun playing PvP, win or lose. But thanks for putting words into my mouth and trying to make me out to be a bad guy. I also appreciate how you must have skimmed over what I have said before, which is I SOLO PLAYED 47 RANKS. I know about that solo life. Me sticking up for grouping isn’t just about me. Why should I be ashamed of enjoying the game? Because you can’t reciprocate the same amount of fun I’m having, both solo and grouped? Haha.

My friends feel more comfortable doing unranked. Ranked people tend to still scream at you if you don’t do things right and the environment is completely different. Contrary to popular belief, I see more premades in Ranked and any premade I’ve ever been a part of has only done ranked because they hate the other maps haha. The system is definitely beyond kittened, it’s bad. They need to re-do the ranking systems, as well as bring back the solo queue so I don’t feel like me enjoying myself and the game I payed for feels like a witch hunt because I want to have fun with people.

Lol right? It’s either work on map completion or PvP. I wish I could do both! You can do both when in a queue for WvW if the server is full.

Sweetbread.4701:

Murmaider.1805:

bhagwad.4281:

Murmaider.1805:

bhagwad.4281:

Tman.6349:

2 players grouped up =/= ‘A Premade’. That’s just completely silly. 5 people running complimenting, synergetic builds, who cover each others’ weaknesses through weaponsets, gear choices, utility selections and trait layouts, in order to accomplish maximum efficiency/synergy/output, while covering each others shortcomings…THAT is the very definition of a ‘PREMADE’. This word (premade), not only demands that, by definition of the word, but has NO RELEVANCE without meeting that criteria. A couple of buddies queueing together does not constitute ‘a premade’.

Even a 2-man team is a huge unfair advantage. If you’re teaming up, it’s serious enough to join the ranked q. Unranked should only be for soloers playing by themselves.

Orrr, orrrr, they could be practicing together, before hitting ranked! Orrrr, orrrr, they could be friends, and 1 is teaching the other how to play! Orrr, orrrrr, this game encourages a social experience in a team fight! So what you’re telling me is that 2 friends can’t get together and have fun in unranked matches because it’s a burden to the solo player? Get outta here. I’m social, I’m here for fun, and to enjoy it with my friends who may feel uncomfortable doing ranked matches. To say that 2 people shouldn’t even be allowed is a biased standpoint from a solo player.

That’s exactly what I’m saying. “Practicing together” is a pretty serious time commitment and if that’s what you’re doing, you shouldn’t be in unranked. Remember that it’s not just about skill – merely having two people working together is a tremendous advantage. The whole is more than the sum of its parts, as my previous link about 2-man teams showed.

Yes, friends shouldn’t be able to “get together” and “have fun” in unranked. Because guess what? It’s not “fun” for the rest of us. Pre arranged coordination is something that people can choose to do only in ranked arenas thank you very much.

Welp, obviously speaking to a wall, since apparently the only version of having fun around here must be dictated by this guy’s personal preferences of risking playing solo and not the gist of a fun, social, online experience.

Edit – I’ll do ranked when I want to be serious, I’ll do unranked with my friends when we want to run around off of TS and have fun and laugh at stupid things

So instead of a place for team play and a place for solo play you want two places for team play and NO place for solo play just so that you can “practice” against a bunch of pugs. How exactly does that train you for competitive team play? And you complain that “apparently the only version of having fun around here must be dictated by this guy’s personal preferences” when you essentially want to completely disregard at the very least half of the pvp playerbase just so that you can have two different team arenas to choose from when you get bored. The irony is palpable to say the least. Are you even remotely capable of logically thinking about this?

Let’s think logically for a second!

1 – Never did I say there shouldn’t be a solo play option for all solo players
2 – Instead of suggesting that feature come back, you’re all here kittening on players who like to queue for fun together as friends, because it’s unfair for you.
3 – I think they should bring back solo queue, but as of now there isn’t. And hindering others having fun in UNRANKED (FOR FUN), because they took away solo queueing is dumb!
4 – Saying RANKED is the only way friends should have fun is stupid.

bhagwad.4281:

Murmaider.1805:

bhagwad.4281:

Tman.6349:

2 players grouped up =/= ‘A Premade’. That’s just completely silly. 5 people running complimenting, synergetic builds, who cover each others’ weaknesses through weaponsets, gear choices, utility selections and trait layouts, in order to accomplish maximum efficiency/synergy/output, while covering each others shortcomings…THAT is the very definition of a ‘PREMADE’. This word (premade), not only demands that, by definition of the word, but has NO RELEVANCE without meeting that criteria. A couple of buddies queueing together does not constitute ‘a premade’.

Even a 2-man team is a huge unfair advantage. If you’re teaming up, it’s serious enough to join the ranked q. Unranked should only be for soloers playing by themselves.

Orrr, orrrr, they could be practicing together, before hitting ranked! Orrrr, orrrr, they could be friends, and 1 is teaching the other how to play! Orrr, orrrrr, this game encourages a social experience in a team fight! So what you’re telling me is that 2 friends can’t get together and have fun in unranked matches because it’s a burden to the solo player? Get outta here. I’m social, I’m here for fun, and to enjoy it with my friends who may feel uncomfortable doing ranked matches. To say that 2 people shouldn’t even be allowed is a biased standpoint from a solo player.

That’s exactly what I’m saying. “Practicing together” is a pretty serious time commitment and if that’s what you’re doing, you shouldn’t be in unranked. Remember that it’s not just about skill – merely having two people working together is a tremendous advantage. The whole is more than the sum of its parts, as my previous link about 2-man teams showed.

Yes, friends shouldn’t be able to “get together” and “have fun” in unranked. Because guess what? It’s not “fun” for the rest of us. Pre arranged coordination is something that people can choose to do only in ranked arenas thank you very much.

Welp, obviously speaking to a wall, since apparently the only version of having fun around here must be dictated by this guy’s personal preferences of risking playing solo and not the gist of a fun, social, online experience.

Edit – I’ll do ranked when I want to be serious, I’ll do unranked with my friends when we want to run around off of TS and have fun and laugh at stupid things

Some people here must have never played thief. I have no problem with Thieves on my Guard or my War (actually a good thief is difficult but not impossible on War). It really doesn’t matter how far away they go, you just need to understand 1 of 2 things are going to happen: They’re going to pop right back up in your face, or they’re getting out of there. Maybe assume the first? If you’re blowing all your CDs and buttons in the first minute then you don’t understand your class rotation or the appropriate time to use your abilities.

AlfredKlios.9657:

Hot join became a sad mess with team stacking and gankfests with a daily apparently encouraging it. Volunteering is a one shot death sentence to end up on a 1 v 5 from folks I don’t think want to fight if they can’t pile one person with three.

When I enter combat my character goes from rushing head on into battle with swiftness to literally prancing on his feet like a four year old, limping at walking speed against any class with accesible cripple and chill.

Eviscerates make me lollygag jumping backwards towards at a crate when I’m another plane (but I’ll probably leap and then be blinded mid hit anyway). Earthshaker Adrenaline decides to pound the mid air rather than the ground.

Launch personal battering ram flies 90 degrees to the right of the target. My thief runs over Oil Slicks to trigger a 45 second cooldown on skills that don’t even have cooldowns.

Tapping left to right very quickly, I dodge ranger arrows even at max speed yawning. I’ll get downed by DoT’s running to a safe area as 4 minions, 5 clones/phantasms and a coked up bird with two cats gnawing on my face come to finish me.

My killshot downs a player triggering an invulnerable state that can be immediately lifted up again by 2 other players.

Where is the action in this ‘action packed pvp’ when I skip to my opponent merrily to have my attacks not even land and pray to god every one of my skills does not bug up. How do you enjoy pvp folks? How do you take it seriously?

Have you tried learning combat mechanics, what boons and condis are and how to counter them? Or are you S-keying in circles wondering why you can’t run fast?

bhagwad.4281:

Tman.6349:

2 players grouped up =/= ‘A Premade’. That’s just completely silly. 5 people running complimenting, synergetic builds, who cover each others’ weaknesses through weaponsets, gear choices, utility selections and trait layouts, in order to accomplish maximum efficiency/synergy/output, while covering each others shortcomings…THAT is the very definition of a ‘PREMADE’. This word (premade), not only demands that, by definition of the word, but has NO RELEVANCE without meeting that criteria. A couple of buddies queueing together does not constitute ‘a premade’.

Even a 2-man team is a huge unfair advantage. If you’re teaming up, it’s serious enough to join the ranked q. Unranked should only be for soloers playing by themselves.

Orrr, orrrr, they could be practicing together, before hitting ranked! Orrrr, orrrr, they could be friends, and 1 is teaching the other how to play! Orrr, orrrrr, this game encourages a social experience in a team fight! So what you’re telling me is that 2 friends can’t get together and have fun in unranked matches because it’s a burden to the solo player? Get outta here. I’m social, I’m here for fun, and to enjoy it with my friends who may feel uncomfortable doing ranked matches. To say that 2 people shouldn’t even be allowed is a biased standpoint from a solo player.

Maybe I’m just spoiled because I’ve dealt with WoW imbalances for years, which were and still are…. In my opinion … really broken

Match ups definitely can suck, I feel you. Also I know about that whole life, I dealt with it heavily for 5 years, for me it was DAoC that helped me through it I’m actually a very quiet person, I’ve never spoken on TS or Vent, just listened in – which can still make all the difference. It’s hard though when some of the people in TS get frustrated over nothing at all, that has no consequence for them in real life.

Go play PvE dude, I’m sorry if that sounds bad. Nobody is going to get worse at this game the more they play and the longer the game is out! I have a guild outside of my PvP one that keeps in touch in FB, does a lot of fun events, even does PvP but for fun as well. Find people. I solo queued for 47 ranks, got my butt kicked a lot of those times. By the time I hit rank 50 I proactively sought a PvP guild and learned a lot, improved and had fun. But not once did I feel like the game or the players were out to make my life miserable, I solo queued because I enjoyed just playing. And I know we’re not talking about actual solo queues haha. If you want, and want to give this game another go, just add me. I just enjoy the company

Without mobility, stealth or blind we wouldn’t have much! We don’t have abilities that convert condi’s to boons (sure we can cleanse them, if we use the right build), we have no stability and we have no abilities that give us boons at will (minus mug, again if you’re the right build). We’re super squishy and our HP is pretty much that of an ele’s. All we are, banks on staying clear of damage haha

stof.9341:

Sunshine.5014:

If your berserker thief gets two shot by any class, then a berserker Ele, with even less HP, will get one shot by any class?

Thief needs:

• reveal on block/miss/evade
• affected by Chill. Generate one initiative per 1.66s

Do you play the game at all? Thief got the same HP as Elementalist. They also only get a tiny slight bit more of armor so practically not mentionnable.

Eles depending on spec and rotation can easily live through stuff too with the buttload of boons they can keep up

Saiyan.1704:

Murmaider.1805:

yolo swaggins.2570:

ronpierce.2760:

yolo swaggins.2570:

ronpierce.2760:

yolo swaggins.2570:

ResJudicator.7916:

OP’s posts are kind of ridiculous. They’re always a long-winded rant attacking anyone who suggests balance changes that impact his playstyle. Instead of writing up a multi-page tantrum, you could actually try responding to the points in a logical manner?

I’d do the same for you here, except you haven’t actually made any points except to disingenuously claim (per usual) that everyone who disagrees with you is a scrub.

That would be nice if they actually responded to logic. Same thing if they really were suggesting balance changes. Unfortunately, the people I am addressing do neither and they will remain bad players so long as they want arenanet to give them free kills. While discussion about the contents of my letter is fine that little fact is not up for debate just like all the thief-breaking nerfs those players want.

I offered ideas for a shadow arts remake and everyone ignored it and went back to calling each other bad, so… :/

What do you expect after years of toxicity from the community? I am sure everyone else would be as jaded as them if they were in their shoes.

Two way road. Thieves may get sick of hearing it, and I believe that, but people complaining get sick of dealing with a play type that they find toxic. I think if you sit down and think about it; we’re all very much alike and being incredibly selfish and both sides say a lot that is actually true, but neither side is willing to work at a constructive conclusion because they butt heads so much.

Of course its a two way road. But it isn’t like all thieves only play thief. Alot of them multiclass because thief in it’s limited roles can get boring from time to time. But because they multiclass, they know what to expect from other professions on both their thief and alts.

Believe it or not though, thieves will discuss ways to solve other player’s problem if only to get them to stop kittening. But simply starting off with serious nerfs and a closed mind from the get go is not the way to do it which is what usually happens. Again, not saying it happens to everyone.

The OP in the post I linked is one of those exceptions. While he was receptive to thief’s points even after just posting nerfs, the commenters were not and the thread got derailed.

Exactly, I multiclass because any more than 1 thief per game = pretty much a loss. Try playing a game with all thieves, It’s baaaad.

What’s funny (sad) is I had a Guardian team vs Thief team. We lost out of sheer kitteniness. I was too busy 1v2/1v3ing thieves off point that they literally kept flying by us and backcaping :p
Goes to show the rabid can lose to a toroise.

Hahah, that’s great!

IGN: Shadough
Playstyle: sPvP/WvW
Server: Jade Quarry
Experience with thief: Thief since gw2 Beta, Champion Shadow, only Bear Rank right now (Rank 53). I’d just like to join for kittens and giggles!

Guardians in PvP are easy when you know what they’re going to do … and if you’re running Panic Strike build ( http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Thief_-_Dagger/Pistol ). Keep your blind up on them, when they start swinging around with their GS then just swap bow, use the evade shot to get out of the way and drop the aoe poison, and swap back to D/P to use shadow shot to teleport back to them and apply blind at the same time. You see shields around them? Gain some distance, there’s nothing you can do when they’re shielding. Hell, use Black Powder and stack stealth with Heartseeker ( D/P ) then use Basilisk Venom, wait for the shields to drop and backstab them and unleash the DPS. Pay close attention to their animations, you can easily disrupt them with your Pistol’s #4 ability and Mug. If they lay down a field of fire just evade out of it, swap bow and lay the poison AOE on them. They’ll probably try to pull you in with their sword, when they do, just use Shadow Step again. . . Rinse, repeat. Stealing from a Guard essentially gives your 4 interrupts. You have the Guardian’s interrupt, your Mug interrupt, Basilisk venom, and your Pistol’s interrupt. You just have to lock down on them and learn their rotation. Really comes down to properly keeping your distance because they want you to burn in those AOEs they drop. Judge’s Intervention is how they will usually close in on you instantaneously, so prep from that by having Shadow Step up. If it’s down, your bow’s #5 ability has a teleport at the cost of some initiative, but keeping them blinded, staying out of their fire and chain abilities is essential.

Try this one man, the aoe and vuln that comes from bow helps a lot when fighting downed opponents from a safe distance. D/P also provides a stackable stealth if you use Heartseeker to leap through Black Powder.

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Thief_-_Dagger/Pistol
Edit: Your bow’s #3 ability allows you to evade as well, if you find yourself immobilized just spam #3 and then use Shadow Step to get out when you run out of initiative

yolo swaggins.2570:

ronpierce.2760:

yolo swaggins.2570:

ronpierce.2760:

yolo swaggins.2570:

ResJudicator.7916:

OP’s posts are kind of ridiculous. They’re always a long-winded rant attacking anyone who suggests balance changes that impact his playstyle. Instead of writing up a multi-page tantrum, you could actually try responding to the points in a logical manner?

I’d do the same for you here, except you haven’t actually made any points except to disingenuously claim (per usual) that everyone who disagrees with you is a scrub.

That would be nice if they actually responded to logic. Same thing if they really were suggesting balance changes. Unfortunately, the people I am addressing do neither and they will remain bad players so long as they want arenanet to give them free kills. While discussion about the contents of my letter is fine that little fact is not up for debate just like all the thief-breaking nerfs those players want.

I offered ideas for a shadow arts remake and everyone ignored it and went back to calling each other bad, so… :/

What do you expect after years of toxicity from the community? I am sure everyone else would be as jaded as them if they were in their shoes.

Two way road. Thieves may get sick of hearing it, and I believe that, but people complaining get sick of dealing with a play type that they find toxic. I think if you sit down and think about it; we’re all very much alike and being incredibly selfish and both sides say a lot that is actually true, but neither side is willing to work at a constructive conclusion because they butt heads so much.

Of course its a two way road. But it isn’t like all thieves only play thief. Alot of them multiclass because thief in it’s limited roles can get boring from time to time. But because they multiclass, they know what to expect from other professions on both their thief and alts.

Believe it or not though, thieves will discuss ways to solve other player’s problem if only to get them to stop kittening. But simply starting off with serious nerfs and a closed mind from the get go is not the way to do it which is what usually happens. Again, not saying it happens to everyone.

The OP in the post I linked is one of those exceptions. While he was receptive to thief’s points even after just posting nerfs, the commenters were not and the thread got derailed.

Exactly, I multiclass because any more than 1 thief per game = pretty much a loss. Try playing a game with all thieves, It’s baaaad.

yolo swaggins.2570:

I guess I could say that all this screaming is childish and destructive. Tantrums exploding from wrecked egos directed at those who don’t deserve it.

It’s honestly this. People getting stomped by a class generally go rage post about it. Thieves play-style is so much different from the other professions that people don’t know how to counter it, because they’ve never played one. Some things about them are unbalanced, but that goes with any class. My main is a thief, but I picked up a GS/H Warrior and I’m dominating with him. So much easier to learn and play than my thief ever was.

Sunshine.5014:

Murmaider.1805:

Thieves don’t need a fix. We can get two shot by any class and god forbid theres an aoe we can’t get out of. Our abilities are tied down to shadowstep because it’s ESSENTIAL if we want any survivability at all. We have 1 Elite skill that grants us stability, takedowns are kitten near impossible so we’re forced to jump in, hit really hard and fast and then jump out. If you have trouble with a thief, it’s because you’ve never played one. Thief of course is hands down my favorite profession, but I find myself running Warrior way more in groups because… well Kitten, Warriors destroy.

If your berserker thief gets two shot by any class, then a berserker Ele, with even less HP, will get one shot by any class?

Thief needs:

• reveal on block/miss/evade
• affected by Chill. Generate one initiative per 1.66s

I completely misread this at first. As a Thief I do think we should be revealed if we screw up an opener, but I’m not so sure about the Chill. I could live with that, as I’ve spent enough time learning my profession to know when to hit somebody haha

Seriously. Thieves get destroyed in AOEs, which is most of the PvP battles. Let us enjoy having mobility and being strong in intimate fights. Plus, you’re only as good the hours you put into a thief.

Thieves don’t need a fix. We can get two shot by any class and god forbid theres an aoe we can’t get out of. Our abilities are tied down to shadowstep because it’s ESSENTIAL if we want any survivability at all. We have 1 Elite skill that grants us stability, takedowns are kitten near impossible so we’re forced to jump in, hit really hard and fast and then jump out. If you have trouble with a thief, it’s because you’ve never played one. Thief of course is hands down my favorite profession, but I find myself running Warrior way more in groups because… well Kitten, Warriors destroy.

hcoop.9401:

Hi my name is Harley i have been playing gw2 for about….2-3 months i think and ive found 99% of this game extremely enjoyable the devs did a amazing job in my honest opinion its one of the best games of its kind… however when trying pvp i found a lack of balance for example… Guardian,ranger and warrior classes i have noticed when versing these they almost seem impossible to kill on a 1v1… warrior super tanky cant scratch them, guardian just heals to full as soon as they get low giving a super unfair advantage over others… ranger.. i dont know exactly why maybe its the first few hits they get or something but imo they seem overpowered even when using melee…. so that leaves a couple of really under powered classes left that just get destroyed completely from this making pvp not really fun for these classes.This is in no way a hate speech or a troll post its just how i feel about this area in the game and i hope they balance pvp at some stage to make it a little more fair until then i will stick to the story and farming goods…i cant wait for the new expansion >.< come on!… ok thats enough from me thankyou for your time please let me know what others feel about it.

You can kill them as a thief, but it’s haaaard! My thief is my favorite character, first character and only one so far I have champion status with. If you have build questions or anything of the like feel free to PM me It’s a lot about knowing your enemies rotations and avoiding their aoe rings, knowing when to dip out and back in, etc. Ranger is my favorite to kill, love stealing that healing tree and stacking it with Shadow Refuge and Dagger Storm =) If they pull out the sword though, ya gotta move!

Literally all you need to know is WHEN to hit, WHERE to hit and HOW to hit. Like dude… It’s strategic. I’m rolling with a GS/Hammer war and I have no problems. You just have to take the time to learn, find people that could teach you, etc!

Everything is getting blocked? Learn the graphics stance for when people are using shields or shielding spells, wait for their rotation/move to be over and lay into them! Don’t waste your cooldowns if they’re not going to do any damage!

You’re not hitting anybody? You’re probably blinded! Evade and keep a distance until it runs out. If you’re not blinded, then see above thing about shielding spells.

Immune to everything you do? They popped STABILITY, keep an eye for it! Stability prevents players from being knocked down, feared, slowed or chilled or crippled! If they’re popping stability, it means they’re planning on doing something big and don’t want you to stop them from doing it! Keep your distance! Stability is very important in PvP for uninterrupted takedowns, rezzes, and large attacks. If you see a Thief spinning in circles, stay away or out DPS him. That’s their ONLY form of stability. Other than that, blinding, stealth and staying mobile is essential for them. They’re soft.

Some classes are squishier than others, prioritize who to kill, when you should, and think before you go into fights. Anticipate what the other player is going to do next, or force their hand to do so.

These are all things you slowly learn to recognize. It’s hard man, but once you get it down this game’s PvP is very fun. Sure there are problems, but if you enjoy it enough you work around them.

Salvage-O-matic has made my life a lot easier. But yeah It can get frustrating. Especially when your vault can’t carry any more stacks of those ascended mats and you have to keep deleting them. I would love to see ascended mats turned into currency or something just so we don’t have to worry about that jazz.

Best of Luck man, I’m new to posting in the forums and it’s a shame to see you go… but with RL stuff I completely get it. As for me, I’m in the same boat with my thief. It’s the only profession I’ve made to 80 and the only one I enjoy. I’m still going to play though, I’m starting to get used to this nerf and I’m having fun with d/p p/p. Hopefully there are brighter days in our future, but I’m kind of enjoying how good I’m getting namely because I have to do my best in every fight to survive haha

Cam Ron.4170:

style.6173:

TheFamster.7806:

style.6173:

Windsagio.1340:

Harbinger.8637:

You only play soloq if you’re a masochist.

I presume that it’s people that want to consider themselves more serious (or just want more rewards) than hotjoin and (reasonably) don’t want to go through the effort of joining/making a team.

To me it’s the real redheaded stepchild, a halfway point between play-for-fun hotjoin and play-to-be-competitive team.

I don’t understand why everyone doesn’t just solo into team queue. Better rewards, and unless you are a to player, you will still be fighting pug vs pug

I thought you can only join team Q with a 2 or more members… I also thought team Q was for hardcore/good pvpers so I’ve been refraining from going solo. I only go there when I have full party of guild members.

No and no. Play there solo. Plus no skyhammer or spirit watch.

WOW! You can join team Q solo? LOL. Never playing soloQ again with those two kitten maps. Thank-you for thee info! PS: am I the only one that thinks spiritwatch is WORSE than skyhammer? Weird how they put the maps that require the most amount of teamwork in soloq but not team Q

I still hate skyhammer more, even if there was a fire. That laser beam, my theif’s abilities always throw me off the edge (well not so much anymore now that i’m used to it) or I just get feared, rooted, stunned w/e on a fragile foot plate and fall to my doom haha

Windsagio.1340:

Harbinger.8637:

You only play soloq if you’re a masochist.

I presume that it’s people that want to consider themselves more serious (or just want more rewards) than hotjoin and (reasonably) don’t want to go through the effort of joining/making a team.

To me it’s the real redheaded stepchild, a halfway point between play-for-fun hotjoin and play-to-be-competitive team.

Solo player here and you’re right haha. It sucks, but I don’t have the time to commit to a designated team (schedule is way too flip-floppy) as much as I’d like to. I also HATE insta-join games because I lose those more than solo. If I could find a group of friends who are knowledgeable about PvP i’d join them, when I’m available. I just don’t have the schedule to permit commitment and it sucks.

All of this. Most of my losses come from people trying to cap every single point and end up abandoning the home point. And then end up running back to home point. And then end up running back to far point. And then end up running back to home point. All while the other team has the center point. All you really need is home and near point and the smaller 3rd extra point objective to win a game, but people want to color the entire map red or blue..

No. I mean whatever you can try to play a thief if you want. It’s my only 80 and the only profession I’ve played since launch, so I’ll continue to play one… but I’m a masochist.

Here’s a d/d build I’ve been enjoying for a bit now. Bow as a weapon swap

30 Critical Strikes (III, VI, XII)—30 Shadow Arts (I,VI,XI)—10 Trickery (IV)

Hide in Shadows – Signet of Shadows – Shadow Refuge – Shadow Step – Dagger Storm

I think Signet of Shadows is great for Blind and has a shorter CD than Blinding Powder (which can sometimes backfire on your with the toughness passive that uses blinding powder at 25% hp)

Hide in Shadows is a must for this build, it’ll heal your more than Signet of Malice AND stealth you. Signet of Malice is really only good once in a blue moon if you’re using Dagger Storm on a big zerg

Shadowstep has a longer range than Shadow Arrow with the bow and if you use it to port to an enemy and things get out of hand really fast you can port back. Also a great tool for running away.

I find Dagger Storm to be invaluable just for it’s range and crippling effect if somebody tries to run away. Not to mention using it on people like mesmers and others who stealth to keep them at bay. Not to mention if things get realllly ugly Shadow Refuge + Dagger Storm = a decent healing combo field.

I also want to point out my PC did a windows 7 update and an AVG Free update the night before (the last time i played)