I think they said, there are certain Guilds/Commanders that have agreed to work together. While on the other side there are also guilds that said they won’t support it.
The way I see it, as long as it gives us more of a fight I don’t care what they do. Now if only we could get them out o the towers and fighting in the open field.
Interesting times for our guild, our server and this match-up. As a guild philosophy and charter WAR is not interested in alliances with other servers or even other guilds on our own, but we sometimes observe a truce of convenience like yesterday in Ehmry Bay’s home map.
We are not interested in this amazingly stupid new perspective that WvW should be an sPVP playground. Do that where my train can find you and we are going to break it down.
Get serious, have fun, but get serious. Some of the superior attitudes that I hear in game and read in this forum are nauseating. You are not all that… Now come get some.
I understand the whole thing with not working with the other server, but really not working with your own Guilds? I have to be reading that wrong. That only hurts your server as whole and a pretty kittenty attitude to have considering you just commented on others.
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On the other side of the coin, depending on your ability, not working with the rest of the server might be a plus for them. Guess someone from AR would have to comment on that.
Shout out to CoF and some other random Rekz/FTF members for yesterday fights in BP BL.
CoF had been naughty once and invis ganked us when we were chilling destroying a treb.
But at least we got a nice fight after then, 3 on 4, but a really cool one. We didn’t have much fight of the night, it was cool.
Your asura mesmer is a pain, like most osicat mesmer.
If it makes you feel any better as you guys were running back, BP(WFD Guild Group) Pushed out from Bay, and more AR rolled in on us. And the treb did die, i think half of us managed to evade wfd before calling it a night.
To think our mesmer was concerned about how he would play after the Nerf on Tuesday too. Dude is a beast.
You guys make it sound like its a huge thing that goes on that drastically affects your ability to play. Get over it. Back capping will still exist because there are some players that prefer to play that way, Just like how a lot of you like to Zerg it up, and I like to play in Smaller groups. Deal with it.
Scenario: Mesmer dies (sad face), and hangs around inside a keep. A perma-stealth thief does his perma-stealth thing, also inside the keep (which is now in the hands of the other team). Some time later (10 minutes? 20 minutes?) perma-stealth thief rez’s dead mezmer, who then portals a kitten-load of his team inside your keep. This dynamic happens all-too frequently, and as admitted by Anet, is not a dynamic that is “working as intended”. Therefore, they are going to address the corpse issue, hopefully with a very short timer then depop (in WvW…..who knows what, if anything, they’ll do w/ PvE). Problem solved, and no Quagans died in the process. Bonus!
Now, if a team fails to sweep for a sneaky mesmer who has found a legit hidey spot, shame shame on the sweepers. Enjoy (or not) your back cap.
Solution: Everyone on the Map doesn’t need to be within the same screen as each other. Break up the Zerg have some players scout and play defensively. At that point you have eyes on the Mesmer Corpse, if the player see the thief he yells out.
If you leave kitten undefended you should expect for it to be taken.
So, your solution is to force people to baby-sit a dead guy. I’d rather actually play the game than be forced to watch a non-decaying corpse. Fortunately Anet agrees with that and will be fixing it.
Now go play and have fun. Mind the pointy sticks…..
I wouldn’t consider it baby sitting as much as playing Guard duty, its an aspect of the game that many people don’t embrace. And hopefully AN will do something to make it worthwhile to Guard things.
You guys make it sound like its a huge thing that goes on that drastically affects your ability to play. Get over it. Back capping will still exist because there are some players that prefer to play that way, Just like how a lot of you like to Zerg it up, and I like to play in Smaller groups. Deal with it.
Scenario: Mesmer dies (sad face), and hangs around inside a keep. A perma-stealth thief does his perma-stealth thing, also inside the keep (which is now in the hands of the other team). Some time later (10 minutes? 20 minutes?) perma-stealth thief rez’s dead mezmer, who then portals a kitten-load of his team inside your keep. This dynamic happens all-too frequently, and as admitted by Anet, is not a dynamic that is “working as intended”. Therefore, they are going to address the corpse issue, hopefully with a very short timer then depop (in WvW…..who knows what, if anything, they’ll do w/ PvE). Problem solved, and no Quagans died in the process. Bonus!
Now, if a team fails to sweep for a sneaky mesmer who has found a legit hidey spot, shame shame on the sweepers. Enjoy (or not) your back cap.
Solution: Everyone on the Map doesn’t need to be within the same screen as each other. Break up the Zerg have some players scout and play defensively. At that point you have eyes on the Mesmer Corpse, if the player see the thief he yells out.
If you leave kitten undefended you should expect for it to be taken.
Why is this this Corpse Spying such a big issue? We’ve seen it happen to us and we throw a few Siege on the corpse and he leaves because it obstructs the view.
You guys make it sound like its a huge thing that goes on that drastically affects your ability to play. Get over it. Back capping will still exist because there are some players that prefer to play that way, Just like how a lot of you like to Zerg it up, and I like to play in Smaller groups. Deal with it.
I think you might have gotten your maths wrong. Melandru + lemongrass is -65% condition duration. That means that all conditions including snares will be left with 35% of original duration. Dogged march is -33% for snare type conditions (meaning snares will haf 67% of original duration). If Im not wrong this effect is multiplicative since it seems like two different effects. Basically 67% x 35% = 23% condition duration for snare type conditions. This is just speculation though but I got the feeling this is how most duration type stuff works if they are slightly different.
Edit: I guess if one is not patient and is rich…you can try this with elementalist, they got in 1 of their traits a -33% condition duration to snare type condition, so if you are feeling rich, try with melandru n lemongrass n test it please ^^.
Lemongrass is required which is a kitten to find. No reported farms of it exist, and only exists in Straights as a few Herb Patches that can give 3 or 4 different types of Herbs.
Like it said, its better off making the lower end one which has a 2 or 4% difference in power. Which should only affect players by a few tenths of a second I think.
That’s if you use additive stacking instead of multiplicative. Has it been established this game uses additive over multiplicative?
If its multiplicative it wont hit 98%
Instead of a 30% trait and a 40% food bringing you to 70% reduction, it will bring you to 58% reduction.
I wonder if this interaction is tested somewhere, cant really find it.
Also the question is how does condition duration interacts with this, if I have a 40% longer cripple (pizza) does it make the cripple last (against a target with 98% condition reduction) 58%, or does it make it last 96.4%?
Its definitely additive. I can tell a huge difference from when my food wares off and I just have runes going on.
I’m not sure how it applies the condition. Just a guess but works like this. Lets say your Cripple is 10 Seconds base so we have easy numbers.
You’d have a 14 Second Cripple after we factor in your 40% bonus, then I reduce the duration by 98%. Which ends out to be .28 Seconds.
With Dogged March + Melandru + Lemongrass, all snares will be reduced to 2% duration.
This seems ridiculously powerful to me. Did ANet intend for Warriors to be able do this in WvW?
Am I missing something?
And how exactly is something like a nourishment as Bowl of Lemongrass Poultry Soup related to warriors alone ?
Also,forgive me for my ignorance,but wth is Dogged March ?
A Trait that will provide 30% Passive Reduction in duration of movement impairing conditions.
With Lemongrass & the Runes, warriors will be able to stack up to 98%. More than likely since the the Lemongrass Soup was over 8 Silver Per unit last week, I doubt many use it, so your looking more likely at 94 or 96% whatever the difference in the lower level.
Shadow Refuge is easily countered with a Fear. The problem is not everyone knows that or is willing to slot a fear over other utility skills.
I wouldn’t call the stealth the worse designed, the fact its not perma stealth is a step up. I just wish any type of ability short of a heal should break stealth. Can’t you use Short-bow and use Infiltrators Arrow escape while in stealth?
Sweeping also can require thinking outside of the box. Most of the people running in the Zerg will circle around the same path as everyone else. Probably not even looking for a place to hide just following the Commanders pin.
And if that’s true that’s where the real problem lies.
That’s exactly it. Did the person sweeping look up at the vista (since few people actually look there)? Did they look at those tiny platforms that it looks like only a fool would use?
There are some very creative places with ledges that players can hide. I’ve seen a handful of [BURN] people try this on the (InsertColor)Lake Tower in the Borderlands. Trying to hide on the roadside ledge, but that doesn’t work too well since the name panels show through the wall. There are tons of Hiding places all over keeps that you can drop down a half a level and get stuck on a rock sliding out that it off the normal path. Its not hax, or exploiting its just a creative use of the terrain and players not use to looking for it yet.
Sweeping also can require thinking outside of the box. Most of the people running in the Zerg will circle around the same path as everyone else. Probably not even looking for a place to hide just following the Commanders pin.
And if that’s true that’s where the real problem lies.
Here would be if the guy ran a dual monitor set up. Actually I could go even further down. Not sure why you are embracing hacks so much. Oh wait a sec. Did you ask the guy on the cart if he has dual monitors. This really requires no hacks at all.
Just look at what’s happening to Kaineng up there in tier2.. losing guilds left and right and about to fall down a tier or 2 cause all they did was focus on score and winning(getting to tier1). Play for the fun of it people!
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Playing on those Servers are like Toxic environments(So is all of Tier1). You have people outside of your guild trying to dictate what you do, how to play and when you can do it. Some of those players can completely ruin a server.
Greetings from the guild Exiles Edge [EDGE] from Borlis Pass
You may have heard of us, you may not, and it matters not. I come here to address troubling rumours and whispers I hear in the air. I have heard that Ehmry Bay relies on numbers and not skill, I have heard that Ehmry has much hate agaisnt us from the Pass, and that Ehmry looks down upon Borlis from time to time….
Arch [EDGE]
Founder and Marshall of Exiles EDGE
Dude, everyone zergs(ALL Servers). It was bad before WXP, its worse now. And its true, some of the Server relies on numbers. But you know what? There are certain Guilds that don’t and can easily take on more of than their own numbers.
That’s cool tho, I always encourage groups to break away from the Zergs and try fighting without them. It encourages people to grow skill sets, tweak their builds and gear, and overall become better.
All 3 Servers with less Zergs is healthier over all for all of us.
4. tier movement seems nearly impossible, and with EB’s apparently superior server population and coverage, it seems that even moving to the top spot in tier 5 is all but impossible. I still love the ebb and flow of battle, but this system creates a sense of pointlessness.
5. why no points for kills? worked fine in allliance battles, don’t understand why its not here. Badges are great, but your server should get a direct benefit for each kill imo.
6. Kalkz haters: he’s a good commander I’ve run with several times. I don’t know what kind of trash talking or whatever might have gottern some of you riled up, but I’m glad he’s on our server. Very active on team chat and good at pulling the pugs and solos together for team goals.
4.) Movement is stalled because of Glicko. There was talk from Devon about modifying it. There definitely needs to be more movement because I know several guild members who are bored with this pairing for the 3rd week in a row. And I guess is likely to be a forth yipee.
5.) Because it would be too easy to farm People for kills? You could throw the score way off pretty quickly. I’m not saying it shouldn’t happen because I believe WvW should be more focused around killing players than taking objectives. But then agian WvW is the red headed step child of ANet.
As someone who has GM’d for other MMOs in the past, I find the idea that a guild would be disbanded for an (arguably) inappropriate name completely absurd and ham fisted.
There’s no reason a GM could not simply force rename a guild and then have the leader petition with a new one.
While I’d agree, one of the CSRs posted that its beyond their means to do technically.
What Tier Server? I’m in T5, In WvW every night for multiple hours and haven’t seen any lag at all. I’ve been around a handful of major fights that are 50ish on each side fighting at Stonemist.
I’m assuming this is in EBG, but are the Borderworlds experiencing the same problems at the same time?
As much as I’d love to see AN take a step back and make small groups able to deal with the Zerg, they won’t. As posted in dozens of other threads over the course of the last 72 hours, AN has built up a system that rewards larger numbers.
Right now the Zerg is the fastest way to make money, Xp, and world xp. They go from objective to objective taking them, and once a zone is cleared they move to another and rinse and repeat(Yay its Warhammer Renown farming all over again). The emphasis needs to be on fighting players not capping unmanned objectives.
Butch, I’ve thought bout having World XP unlock more AOE, but I tend to think that the Zergs would be the first people with it.
I know its not ideal, but loathing zergs as I do, i tend to think that the Event scaling mechanics should kick in on towers/keeps and maybe even stonemist Lords to increase the health.
Seeing a Zerg run in and everyone getting 1-2 shots on the lord and he dies is kinda annoying. It would also help the defense of the structure.
I run almost exclusively in a Five to 10 man group. Telling us we can’t take Tower here and there when the enemy zerg is distracted or to cause a distraction won’t sit well with me. I don’t think there needs to be more things to do, but definitely needs to be a method to dealing with larger numbers.
score update for you! despite large BP/AR pushes today, losing our entire side of EBG and SM, our lead has actually increased to 35k.
Ya, your server needs to get rid of the hackers/exploiters or your gonna lose any respect you think you have, i’m just saying it is starting to snowball and get worse.
I must have missed this patch that gave the players the ability to do something about that besides reporting them.
No bonus should exist that directly impacts 1 players damage vs anothers. All the PVE kitten thats fine. Even siege since some of it needed to be buffed after everyone cried in beta.
The system needs to be setup so it doesn’t give a huge disadvantage to a Seasoned Character vs a New character. Any type of increase or decrease of Player done damage is bad.
True, but its the group dynamic that tends to save them.
There was a group (5man)on BP we encountered last week where the ranger was doing a sick amount of damage and played it extremely well, and it went well with what the rest of the Group was doing.
Truth be told, we don’t still don’t know exactly what he was doing besides that his Spike Traps on Downed Allies were wrecking the idiots going in for the Finisher.
It wasn’t just a good build he had, he was a solid player. You don’t see that often on a Ranger, because as a good player you do so much more on another class.
I stopped playing AC back in 2004 or 2005. Right before the second expansion came out. I remember in the beginning they had some Server Issue for the first few weeks, it felt like they were doing maintenance or backup on Sundays that killed performance, but thats about all I remember(well besides Graphics lag near Aerlinthe Crater). And that was before broadband was common.
But, I’m saying if you are talking about T1, its just a cluster kitten right now. Some of my Guild is still on JQ, and they were saying Skill lag is bad. But I’m not sure I’ve seen complaints out of the tiers. And if that is the case, its overpopulated, probably due to the fact everyone is roaming in those megazergs.
I’ve seen larger battles in my tier, and haven’t seen this lag.
And lets be realistic here, if this was Turbine with Asheron’s Call lag wouldn’t be the issue, it would that the servers are still being hotfixed, and rolled back, and decal isn’t updated so no one could play.
Watcha expect? All the Errrbay trolls have been put in their place. BP has told their trolls (“more pew pew, less Q Q”) that they can’t post until they get in 2nd place.
:)
-K
Put in our place? We’ve spent only slightly more than half a day (cumulative) with the lowest PPT this matchup out of almost 5 days total so far – ten hours of which have been within the last day. Our lead has steadily increased by 5-10k every day. Check the stats yourself.
Our lead is increasing. That’s the opposite of being put in our place. Sure, the last 10 hours haven’t been as kind to us as the rest of the week, but it hasn’t been some crazy breakout period with PPTs of 600+ for AR and BP either.
Also, on a side note, it’s kind of funny to see that for all the talk Kalkz gives of his super PvDoor skills, BP has spent each and every night on the bottom of the tally charts.
Two points:
- I was calling out Errbay trolls. see: reading comprehension
-You said something about ppt and numbers. Yet Errbay (the server) is losing Glicko Rating points. You see, you were expected to do better than a 30k lead ( on Thursday) against two T6 servers.
Week 1, you lost by 40k.
Week 2, you win by close to 100k
Wee 3, you are looking at a 40-50k win.
I suggest you refrain about patting your self on the back for having a 30k lead on two servers who have never been past their current ranking.
You Errbay ( the server, not the trolls) have been in T4. You are expected to win, in fact you are expected to win by a lot more than 30k.
-K
So basically your argument is that we didn’t beat the point spread. Big deal.
I’m not sure what my servers Zergs do. I know there has been comments about community funded stuff.
Running in a Small group, we just do JP for siege. No one spends money on it and tokens are horded for gear options. We do them in a group so we get 8piece per player. And only spend money on upgrading camps if we plan on holding them. Usually the kills/loot we get while holding will pay off the upgrades 10fold.
I don’t think JQ has more population than it already did, its just more people want to try WvW because it has Character progression. Its happening everywhere. As someone said in another thread, within a few weeks it will die down some and the numbers should stabilize.
I just moved off JQ for a T5 Server and find it awesome. I can honestly say I don’t give a kitten if we win or lose, I just want encounter good fights. So far BP, AR, and DR have provided that without the megazergs of T1.
Being on T1 (JQ) we had similar issues prior to the patch and going months back. We came to the conclusion that T1 doesn’t support our playstyle very well and moved off to a lower tier.
Keep in mind lower Tiers are active all the time too in EBG, and you can pick pretty good fights in the borderworlds.
As a group, I believe we are all very happy with our choice to bail on T1.
What needs to happen is have more WXP given to player kills so its doesn’t promote ignoring the othersides and looking for undefended places and doing the PVD Thing. Warhammer did that and look where it is now.
And, where is the 3 Mesmer 3 necro thing coming from? Who is doing that in the mid-tiers?
In short; “I’m not sure, but they should be running it”.
I’m originally from HoD pre-release when we were untouchable. That’s exactly what my group of people ran on a regular basis, and quite frankly it was silly seeing how potent it was. I know you’ve been on the receiving end of high stacks of confusion, you made a; “nerf this” thread about it.
I had a group of people I convinced to play GW2, who ended up quitting because of stupid queue times, and the glaring reality that GW2 was not ready for the eSport scene. They all went back to play competitively in the games they made a little bit of money in like SC2, LoL, and a couple FPS games.
So being stuck alone, and solo I transfered to Anvil Rock so I didn’t have to deal with the queue times.
Yeah! I used to play HoD during beta and after release too. Once Titan Alliance. fell apart though… I bounced around like 8 different servers until landing on Ebay
Where did most of them go? I left before the alliance broke up, when queue times were like five, or six hours.
Strangely enough lots went to SBI/JQ when we were fighting those servers. After that things got really bad so i left.
The fair weather players made a bad situation worse on JQ with Queues. Massive Influx of players to JQ after both Titan and Ruin Alliances fell apart.
I often question any server that wants to go to T3+…. Seems like a lot of 24/7zerging/ no real good fights to be had. It turns into a giant numbers game, and while it may somewhat be that in t4/5 you get a healthier mix of various fights IE some solo roamers, small roaming groups as well as decent sized zergs. Im fairly content with where we are atm.
I can’t agree with you more about how much more healthier/fun these lower tiers are from the top. We just had a small group of us transfer off of JQ to come to EB. It is completely refreshing being able to do something as a small group and not run into a zerg of 80 people to stop 5 and then dance on our corpses like it was some awesome display of skill.
