Guild Wars 2

kyubi.3620:

If every single player used their head more and created and tested their build themselves beforehand working tirelessly for the best playstyle/effectiveness wed likely get better players in general and we wouldnt need to be constantly be worried about if a guy is using a very bad build or not. Can you realy pretend after testing it out your build isnt a total failure if the result wasnt satisfying?

What do you think the meta build is then? A build someone came up with and thought it was great so he forced others to play it?

No.

The meta is the meta build because people have tested it and found it to be the most optimal build to run for dungeons. Of course this changes as people get more accustomed to the class and realize certain traits are worth taking over others. Why do you think that happens? Surprise, surprise it is because people do in fact test it over and over again.

Guardian for instance; a year ago people thought AH was great, then they came to realize that it’s useless and selfish. As a result people moved towards more offensive builds to what we have now. Again not one person came up with it, but several people trying out builds and seeing what works best, in most cases they just happen to be the same because they are the most optimal for PvE. Especially for dungeons people are using the meta build, because a lot of the content is trivialized by high DPS.

kyubi.3620:

Part 3 is actualy the reason we all rush lupicus health bar trought part 2 lol because hes a just a huge barney the pink dino at part 3 and wouldnt kill anything ever if he wanted to (well if you actualy run a 2h sword or axe warrior on lupicus its all your fault anyway if you fail at the easyest part of the fight) stay at a fair range from him and youl be fine

The funny part is that you are giving someone from rT advise on how to do Lupicus, even though the whole guild consists of people who can solo him in melee on various classes. Needless to say, they could do it at a speed which will make a pug team look like a wet noodle trying to range him. Honestly though do you actually believe in what you are saying or am I just feeding a troll?

Also the pull happens after she does her unload, so be ready to dodge after she does it. Even if you have reflects up, dodge anyway since it sometimes can go through.

LittleLepton.8915:

NeoVaris.4806:

Thank you Spoj for letting me leech and take the screenshots

This makes me laugh. So hard. Hahah

Something I would do.

Just as a side note; he pulled the locust to me while I was posting this.

Thank you Spoj for letting me leech and take the screenshots

There is no difference in playstyle from 20/25 and meta 10/25 (or 30). You get more power and the 5% while you are on greatsword. This alone equates to more DPS than the meta build. You are not forced to use greatsword all the time, nor should you since the playstyle is the same (i.e auto attack with sword and swap to greatsword for burst damage).

By all means if you want to go 20/25 you can use a different trait if you don’t like zealous blade.

If you use zealous blade…you still have the other damage modifiers that allow you to use sword/focus without a problem. That just means your burst weapon (i.e. GS) will deal extra damage. RHS is not required if you have a party that gives fury, banners and maybe even spotter. So yes, it is worth it if you are willing to trade off perma vigour and shout cool-downs.

Tarsius.3170:

Yup – all damage modifiers stack multiplicatively. ( Fiery Wrath, Radiant Power, Unscathed Contender, Elusive Power and Power of the Virtuous + all weapon specific traits )

This is the reason current best guardian dps builds don’t trait into Zeal beyond Fiery Wrath, but try and get access to as many modifiers as possible.

True, but the reason the meta DPS build doesn’t go beyond Fiery Wrath is because you want to keep Vigorous Precision and Superior Aria (or RHS depending on what you prefer). Otherwise you can add another 10 points into Zeal for Zealous Blade and get another 5% damage modifier.

You can melee all bosses at high level fractals with berserker gear actually, as long as you have the Agony Resistance and know how to dodge. As mentioned sword/focus is superior to sword/shield, but scepter/focus if you really need to range is also an option. For Fractals Hammer is better to be honest, since you can get permanent protection that reduces a substantial amount at damage, due to mobs at higher levels hitting quite hard. So that should always be part of your equipment unless another guardian already has that covered. Greatsword is useful for places you need to pull several mobs together quickly like the Uncategorised Fractal (the 4 golems), Snowblind Fractal (Ice Elementals) and Volcanic Fractal (Lava Elementals).

Wall of Reflection should really be your reflect since it lasts longer than using shield, as well as reflect the damage back instead of just absorb it.

For a hammer build you could go something like 15/15/0/20/10 with 10 trait points left over to use where you like. Or just have a look at obal’s video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=girefVuoAuk)

lchan.2169:

how do you even maintain above 90% health to maximise the scholar runes. Within 10 secs you are already below the 90%. This is why i dont agree with scholar runes. I used them tho on the ranger.

As for the lag, we have a constant 400-600ms ping with spikes up to 1500ms. If its a kitten day, we can have like 3 sec of pauses. I dont think your european guild mates experience such lags.

Uhm…dodge is a good start, aegis from guardians and reflects should be sufficient to keep your health above the 90% health threshold long enough. In addition you could have soothing mist from elementalists which is small but still helps a little, as well as healing signet that heals for quite a lot.

kyubi.3620:

Lupi on phase 3 is easy to dodge its about getting trought phase 2 unscarred wich most people have a serious problem doing.

what phase 2 and 3 are you talking about here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tcctZH5UxE

kyubi.3620:

the dps youve done is of little importance once your dead because at that point you no longuer do any.

You are missing the point, you can do MORE dps even with dying than your build.

kyubi.3620:

blessing nosferatu.3784:

we actually get stuff done at least twice as fast as yours

thats if you get it done to begin with

Proof that we do get stuff done:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD5_-ONI48o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWzy9kJ410A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYPRHAbbnP8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7gWFMUeakg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tcctZH5UxE vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYuOOKe2NrY

kyubi.3620:

well as i recall lupi will prety much 1 shot any class in zerker gear cept people with top health or toughtness (last time i tried glass cannon against him was on thief). ive not personnaly tryed lupicus in a full dps gear on warrior because guild was concentrating on getting the stuff done rather then doing a ’’ACE’’ run.

If you watched my guardian video there was a partial lupi kill as well. WoR did around 25% of his health, could have been more but I screwed up with “Save Yourselves”. Getting back on topic, he one shots people with low health pools which means warriors can survive in full zerker. Also 25% of his health will still be more than what your build would have done so…I could have died and still done more DPS than you

kyubi.3620:

Again with the glorification of the damage. Seriously if everything in this game was about damage half the builds would be rejected from the moment youd get into the fractals. It aint the case. Behing the last man standing also holds some meaning when it comes to party survival because the ’’tanky’’ guy will always be the one to revive the glass cannons who constantly dies of aoe they wont dodge in time.

i can assure you that going full dps its kind of unlikely youl be that ‘’last standing’’ guy and that its kind of unlikely a thief with refuge will save your party should i get close to wiping mainly because you wont pick one.

I’ve seen plenty of times when a full zerker just soloed the boss after a near wipe…(especially lupicus)

Well than taking into account 25 stacks and fury for guardian they already out-dps your build

kyubi.3620:

I do agree thief may do higher damage but are so squishy people are effraid of using them.

As for where the guardian stands you do know that he needs a warrior banner full party buff as well as a frost spirit just to deal that damage (extern dps source) can it do that much damage on its own im doubtfull of it.

even then you want me to believe youl have a full party of guardian, warrior or thieves? I dont see thieves going this high in the fractals tbh. Guardians may reach it but generaly takes on a support role

when i did my mats i wasnt receiving any damage support save from my own buff and a 25 might stack coupled the 25 armor penetration. I wasnt using full ascended gear either im still lacking half my trinkets and im a good 6 critical damage short from one of my ring behing soldier styled (fractals didnt drop anything good that week and i geared my other character as a priority) likely with party support ill reach a good 30k+

‘’Ok your fantastics shouts heals must be awesome at fractal 15.’’
my build is banner tri-regen not shout you must have been looking at the other guy

Warrior doesn’t just get 25 stacks out of thin air either…you will only have 8 (or 11 with sigil of battle). Also ascended doesn’t boost your DPS by a huge deal, I run a 30/25 build on a warrior with full zerker and still get higher numbers than you in solo situations.

kyubi.3620:

Adam.4103:

kyubi.3620:

i dont recall 25k on hundred blade behing a bad hit dear. It may not be this great for average warrior dps but it still outshine most class who would be based on damage.

No, no it doesn’t. 25k hundred blades is bad, not to mention you need to factor in cast time and not just pay attention to the final number.

Thats still more then about any other class would do in zerker gear. doing 3k+ (to up to 4k) with auto and 12k with whirlwind is perfectly acceptable. And if you can do better then show me numbers and with other class… not warriors

As i recall thief can do great damage as well but is so glassy it wont even live to deal it thats the reason no one wants a thief in the party for end content. now now what will you get me out show me your mats.

Thief (Zerker with Ruby Orbs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7gWFMUeakg
Thief can hit way higher than that, but I don’t play it enough.

Guardian (Zerker with Scholar Runes) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOKcE07lA2s
Again can hit higher with full party and Frost Spirit

deSade.9437:

Keeping dredge as a surprise… and anyway, since harder ones will come last, it means you’ll be stuck with dredge 90% of time in every rotation.
I’m also pretty sure they’ll buff it as well.
I couldn’t care less, now I have a hope we’ll stop doing it entirely since finally they’ll be forced to realise fractal levels/rewards – and fractals as a whole – are pointless.

Don’t worry, we get dredge in 100% of our rotations anyway. Nothing will change after patch!!!

15/15/0/20/10 with 10 trait points left over to use as you see fit, is probably the best DPS hammer build as mentioned before. Although I would use at least Knight’s if you don’t feel comfortable with Berserker’s.

Otherwise 0/30/0/30/10 is also good for a DPS support build, using sword/focus and GS. Alternatively 10/25/0/10/25 (or 10/30/0/5/25 for RHS, but the loss of superior aria) if you don’t mind the low health pool. This one takes a while to get used to, but offers high DPS.

Gear wise Berserker’s with Scholar Runes is what you should go for with both those builds, although Knight’s might be fine.

As for staff I wouldn’t use it, except maybe for trash runs or Fractals for Line of Warding and Empower for shorter fights.

Keiel.7489:

do you keep a tally of which character earned which tokens, gold and badges? Don’t you want to have the proper character earn the proper equipment themselves? Why even bother making a new character and gear them out via the shared-inventory exploit?

You do remember that the tokens were account bound to begin with, right? So it would have made no difference what character you earned it on. Otherwise it would be a bit pointless if you had thousands of tokens from one dungeon, but could only use it for one character…

DeathPanel.8362:

Arc DLad.2194:

you get kitten weapons from the daily chest aswell in fractals. if you dont want to play the stat combo lottery, you can always craft.
and if yoy all get kicked from the fractal before you get the chest, report the user for scamming.

Well, having 13 characters like I do with different builds, the chances of getting a stat combo that I need on a ring is significantly higher…

Also, you can get INFUSED rings, which saves you a ton of coin over just crafting and then upgrading to infused.

Add on top of that the ability to outright get ascended weapons whereas it takes days of time gating and a bunch of gold just to craft the ascended weapon is helpful.

I’d say that makes fotm well worth running.

You just need 5 vials, 3 globs, and 1 shard to infuse a ring; where is there money involved except RNG?
The weapons are worth it though if you are lucky ^^

DeathPanel.8362:

haviz.1340:

Anyone actually still doing fractals? You get more gold by chopping an orrian sapling.

No one ever goes to fractals to get gold.

People go to get ascended infused rings and weapons which saves a ton of gold on having to craft them.

Only thing is that they can drop from the same places ascended crafting mats do (i.e. Champion loot bags). Anyway I don’t even want to think about the chances of getting a drop, let alone with the stats you like….

ShroomOneUp.6913:

Broadicea.8294:

Dude it takes like a week to get to 80.

I don´t know if you are an adult goin work, a highschool student or goin to middle school or what ever.
But i can tell you that making 80 levels in one week required either way to specific ways of doin so OR much time investment, which most poeple can not effort due to time constrains or other reasons.

further more it was not entirly based on gain Exp to level, as i stated it helps for exsample newcomers or people who play a new class to get used to that class in circumstances given by doungens.
It also will help the doungen farmers in a long term, because if Low Level learn the doungens NOW they will be MORE doungen farmers at level 80 later on.
I´ve seen enough 80s who had NO idea whats the hell was goin on due to lack of knowledge.
Also this game is based on team work. What team is that if you exclude everyone who has a,lower level then you? specialy in areas where they allready met all requirments nessecary?

Also if you have the gold you can craft to 80 in less than 10 hours.
Seriously though, just join a guild. I am sure they don’t mind taking along a lower level character as long as it’s not too low for the dungeon itself.

Anet placed a cap on Fractals 50+ for months now, so you can’t get past Jade Maw regardless of the currently available AR, or any other method you try and use (it will just be re-applied). On all the other Fractals however, Agony ticks the same as Fractals 40+, so you can do progression by doing uneven levels.

I was banned for posting it free of charge, although I didn’t realise until much later when I tried posting for AC… >.>

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Dub.1273:

TheKillerAngel.3596:

SkyChef.5432:

I don’t see those activities much in NA servers and I have looked at LFG website like 4 or 5 times.

Same. Where are all these mythical Arah sellers?

We served 47 exploiting sellers with gw2lfg bans. Only one seller stayed untouched, he was the only one who did Lupicus…

Banned them from LFG or banned them from GW2?

LFG I think, Muffin joined my run once too

I have noticed that too…pretty sure it’s an EU only thing

Some Arah sellers are just hypocrites, >.>
Earlier I did an Arah run, which I sold (no PuGs were kicked) and upon completion get PM’ed by another seller. First he was just telling me to delete my post, which I promptly did, but was then followed by a lecture about having to delete the post when I get a full party. As I went on explaining that I forgot, it escalated into him accusing us of skipping Lupicus and threatening to ban us. Ironically I asked a friend to join his supposed “legit” run only to find out he skipped Lupicus and is selling it too.

Which dogs are you referring to? The only ones I can think of are the ones before the first boss, which everyone just skips.

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Draco.9480:

I agree with this thread, what’s the point having few level 80 if only 1 character can be rewarded from dungeons. So the more I create characters the less profit I can get. It means I can only spend my profit on 1 character per day.
Please Arenanet, make the daily dungeon reward for each character and not via account

Did you just copy that reply in another thread to?

Seems so, I just saw 3 other threads with the exact same post…just 1 was slightly changed

Arah Path 4 gives 3g

Did she go stealth when she hit 50% all the time?

I think the Simin fight is doable with that group setup, my first run in path 4 took around 2 hours (two of us were first timers to Arah entirely). The group composition was 2 elementists, 2 guardians, and a mesmer that kept disconnecting (weren’t LH eles). We still did it without the time warp though, it just comes down to how fast you can kite the sparks.

However some people have reported that there is a bug with Simin, where she would stealth at 50% and regenerate no matter what. I have run P4 numerous times now since then and never really encountered this bug.

Well depends, at least you’ll have a weapon that less people are wielding, like Twilight. By all means I like both Legendary Greatswords…but everywhere you go in LA you will find at least 1 person wielding it :/

Oh right, yeah the change was so that reviving by any means re-applied Agony.

Broadicea.8294:

What was the change that was made so that you could no longer do Maw at level 50 and above?

Agony hits for way too much (more than 100% of your health pool). Also using any reviving methods (i.e. Revival Orbs etc.) would simply re-apply Agony. This is only at Maw though and any other bosses in between will still apply the same Agony as Fractal Level 40+.

Adam.4103:

Nuka Cola.8520:

Adam.4103:

Nuka Cola.8520:

those looking for skins, don’t even bother doing any other levels but 48. At lower levels all you get is rings. I did a 48 yesterday after like a week of not doing fotm and got another fractal hammer

That couldn’t be further from the truth actually, from what I’ve seen 38 has just as much chance for a skin as 48 does. Over months and months of experience.

I got a fractal GS at my first level 20 when fotm was released, 3 dailies later i got another fractal weapon in daily 20’s. You will get fractal weps on other levels but gl even coming close to the amount you get at 48 and i say this by experience, not tell you what some random dude told me.

It’s not just me though, I’ve witnessed it with everyone I regularly do Fractals with. 48 really is no better than 38 for skin chances. 20+ clearly has a lower chance. I’d rather believe first hand evidence than some random dude…

It still comes down to RNG, although I get lucky on both 30+ and 40+, I get most of them on 30+. Not sure about 20+ though, since I don’t really run it that often.

I don’t know why it is only present in the dredge fractal…Anet logic. But that’s how I have experienced it, I didn’t really care at first since it just meant killing a few extra mobs. But then when I did Frac 50+ for progression I noticed that they aren’t there when we got it on our first try (seemed to get it awefully often too).
We always re-rolled for swamp and usually get it as a third again, which seems to be the only scenario in which they appear in. However as Spoj has said I meant that this happens only if you re-roll after you get Dredge to any other fractal and then get it again later on.

Did you by any chance get it first and then re-roll to get something like swamp? From my experience those extra mobs are only there if you do that and get dredge again as a second or third fractal.