Guild Wars 2

Maybe I’m missing something, but iWarden was fixed, iLeap was fixed and immensely buffed, iElasticity was fixed, we were finally given some form of AoE and usefulness in dungeons, and now we’re a part of the condi PvP meta. Why does every Mesmer always have to find something to complain about?

Yes, the scepter buff may have been excessive, but this is what ANet apparently wants and who are we to complain about someone else’s vision on their game? Honestly, I think that the scepter clones giving torment adds to the Mesmer ‘flavour’ as our clones are tormenting the minds of the enemy.

Someone else explained very nicely as to how PU isn’t going to be the gamebreaking OP spec everyone is QQing about (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/Why-PU-Mesmers-Were-Buffed)

But seriously, stop complaining or reroll to something else….or play another game entirely. I just can’t stand how a lot of the Mesmer community complains if we’re underpowered, complains if we’re able to compete with the rest of the meta, AND complains when we’re given any form of love and have the potential to be strong.

I just don’t get it.

Can Mesmers actually get a better skill than Moa? I mean its funny and all (until you get facerolled by a bird…) but it would be cool if Mesmers could turn into a Moa! Or better yet, a giant purple butterfly of dooooom >:)

P/P Mesmer is a thing now.

I’ll post more about my mes later :P

Royale.5863:

Noah.9654:

I would absolutely LOVE MH Pistol! However, I’ve been trying to think of what skills MH Pistols would make the weapon viable. I would love to see a skill akin to iDuelist’s unload which will give us pretty decent DPS.

Well first skill would be an AA ranged attack. That in itself would be worth the price of admission considering the poor Scepter AA.

Second skill would need to be some sort of clone generating ability.

Third skill, it would be nice to have some sort of utility with a blast finisher. God knows we lack blast finishers.

You know, for the longest time the community has been trying to come up with ways that a blast finisher would realistically work into the Mesmer’s skills and the best we’ve been able to come up with is GS#3. I think MH pistol would be the perfect way to add a blast finisher!

My biggest question now would be how the AA skill would work with the MH pistol. For some reason, I can only picture pistols being fast enough—realistically—if you’re dualwielding p/p.

90% of the pistols in the game are old-time gunpowder with really slow turnovers (at least in the real world). Good thing we have our Mesmer magic to say ‘screw you’ to physics :P

As a Mesmer, I agree that Moa is annoying, but you’ll never really see a good Mesmer running the skill in PvP unless we see we’re up against multiple Necros. Mass Invis is really important for our survivability.

I always want to congratulate anyone who is still able to down me as a Moa.

I would absolutely LOVE MH Pistol! However, I’ve been trying to think of what skills MH Pistols would make the weapon viable. I would love to see a skill akin to iDuelist’s unload which will give us pretty decent DPS.

Fay.2357:

2 things. 1, the china team was horrid and got facerolled. 2, if Helseth was half as good at thief as he is at mesmer, he could probably singlehandedly win matches against most of the teams in the game right now. Since he plays mesmer, he’s simply known as the one single mesmer that actually still plays high level pvp.

There’s a lot of bad players in WvW.

There’s a lot of bad players in tPvP too.

PvE in this game is hilariously easy. Soloing isn’t even that difficult, but it’s the one thing that even retains just a little challenge.

So most of your argument hinges on the game being easy and full of bad players? If thats the case and Mesmers are still able to do well enough with skill, why buff them at all or fix any of their bugs? See how that isn’t a valid argument…at all?

Fay.2357:

You know, if this was the first time they promised multiple great fixes, maybe I’d believe it. Unfortunately, we’ve walked this road already. Remember ‘oh yes, we’re fixing illusionary elasticity and we’re going to fix the IC/weapon cd trait interactions, and we’re also going to fix the warden [and pass it off as a buff]’. Need I refresh your memory on what happened after we got all those lovely promises?

This I will give to you, however thats how all games are. If you look at any of the other profession—except maybe Eles—everyone is complaining about the same thing. [insert class here] never gets [insert skill/issue here] fixed and we’re just being nerfed again. No program can be made without unexpected issues. Assuming that issue X, Y, and Z will never be fixed will just poorly affect your gameplay experience. Instead of always complaining about it, try enjoying the class for what it does have (the best pet system in the game, great aesthetics, and Portal).

Veltoss.9135:

I feel it’s most noticeable in PvE, but maybe I’ve just not done enough PvP lately. I had trouble with some of the newest living story content, fights dragged out a lot longer than I feel they would have if I were playing any other class. I tried two different builds, neither did great. Conditions are just worthless in PvE, and even with them our time to kill is much longer than other classes. We need some kind of DPS boost in PvE, at the very least.

I have also had some trouble in the latest Living Story fights as a Mesmer (looking at you, Rytlock). I was also dumb and tried using a Phantasm build instead of a shatter build against an AoE heavy opponent.

In PvP, Mesmers are actually really good depending on the map. Our Portal utility literally wins games in Spirit Watch and Temple. We can troll players with Blink in Forefire if you know the map well enough. We’re also the best class for the treb and one of the best classes for holding mid in Khylo.

Here’s to hoping the September update will help out Mesmers in PvE. There is a good chance we’ll get better AoE so thats something :P

Swish.2463:

" For this update, we’re looking at improving "

Anet is taking a look.

this does not mean
“We have changed and it is implemented and working correctly already”

Looking means planning, no promises, to try some things.

some of those things may fall flat on their face or be broken or may not even make it at all.

“multiple”

Multiple – meaning any number greater than 1.

some of the new grandmaster traits and improved upon their original implementation

Some does not mean All. i’ll hedge my bets that Some means Disruptors Sustainment and the dueling waste of space trait. the others are not being touched.

I’ll also hedge my bets that there will only be 2 or 3 “changes” made that are not already listed above.

Anet doesn’t understand Mesmers and can’t fix them short of pulling the plug and recoding and redoing the entire class.

The above would require a lot of effort and money

its easier to let mesmers rot, a few players will leave but most will reroll and keep spending money/playing.

Orrrrrr we could stop being so negative? Seriously, Mesmers are only as bad as the community makes it. Its like the people who complain just can’t be happy O.o

Yes, Mesmers have bugs. Yes, Thieves generally faceroll us. Yes, we’re not the strongest call ever. However, Mesmers can be pretty good and be even better with just a little help. Look at Lord Helseth; he was a crucial member of this past tournament match against China. He took down what I assume to be China’s most skilled thief twice (although said thief did knock him down as well). I’ve seen many YouTube videos where Mesmers take out entire squadrons in WvW, carry teams in s/tPvP, and even solo dungeons. Mesmers can be good. Trust me.

I agree that ANet may not understand Mesmers, but most of us understand them and we are able to do pretty well using them. I don’t think constantly complaining about the class and being negative will make the class any better. The class doesn’t need to be redone. People just need to play it and be happy.

As for your comments about the changes, I highly doubt ANet would purposely skew their words. If they say they are going to fix ‘multiple’ things, then they are most likely going to fix multiple things, as in more than just 2. They are ‘planning’ on making the changes. I don’t know how much you would know about programming, but a big update like this would have to be in its final stages by now if not done. This means that the changes to Mesmers are most likely done.

Tl:DR—Stop complaining. You’re giving Mesmers a bad name. Be positive as changes are coming!

Wyrden.4713:

Noah.9654:

I literally just said a prayer. To Dwayna. I’m not even religious…

I’m REALLY hopefully about the new changes. This could be a really big turning point for Mesmers in PvP. Here are the things I’m really hoping for:
-AoE in offensive Mantras
-AoE in GS#3 (we all know it could be a thing ) this will give us a huge leverage against thieves and SR.
-Bug fixes. We may finally have a fix to iLeap or iWarden
-MH Pistol……A guy can dream, right? XD

so its caue of u! we mesmers r supposed to pray to lyssa, but u, just coz of u, the gods r cursing mesmers.

…oops. In my defense, I’m human so I figured I could pray to all of them xD

I’m really curious as to what changes to the illusions ANET will make.

I literally just said a prayer. To Dwayna. I’m not even religious…

I’m REALLY hopefully about the new changes. This could be a really big turning point for Mesmers in PvP. Here are the things I’m really hoping for:
-AoE in offensive Mantras
-AoE in GS#3 (we all know it could be a thing ) this will give us a huge leverage against thieves and SR.
-Bug fixes. We may finally have a fix to iLeap or iWarden
-MH Pistol……A guy can dream, right? XD

I’m really happy about all of the Mesmer love this thread has revived. <3

I should probably have prefaced by saying that before playing GW2, I was a part of a Pokemon MMO that has since been shut down. The game was nothing but bugs and the community was very small, but I stuck through because I liked it. I can see the same thing with the Mesmer community. We have bugs (can someone actually explain to me whats the deal with iWarden?) but the class is really good in sPvP.

I’ve seen people like Lord Helseth completely dominate among the top players this past weekend and it really gives me hope for the class. It might take a little while longer, but I suspect that once certain bugs are fixed…and if/when we get MH Pistol, the mesmer class will be totally OP >:)

Oh and I now love Portal XD

Esplen.3940:

Noah.9654:

Esplen.3940:

If a thief is downing you in 2 hits, you’re able to down him in 2 hits as well. This is a proven fact unless you’re naked in WvW.
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Realistically speaking, a Mesmer will never 2 shot a Thief unless you sneak up on them (which rarely happens since they’re trying to sneak up on you). You can beat a thief if you’re really good, but its almost always a drawn out battle of trading stealths/fields.

Sure, if it’s a full zerk stealth thief coming at you, you’re probably dead if you’re also wearking zerk. But if you notice him or are capable of reacting extremely fast, you can stealth away, then prep a combo while he’s revealed and down him. He might end up downing you afterwards, but a Mesmer will win the downbattle because of Rogue.

The problem is that after the first 20 seconds in a PvP match when all the points aren’t being rushed to, its vary hard to see a thief coming at you unless you’re at a vantage point. If you’re going after him while he’s already fighting, sure. However the thief’s superior mobility means that you’re going to be hard-pressed to run away and catch your breath. Usually, you’re best bet is reacting then and there and hoping you can avoid the burst.

That being said, I don’t think we need an extra illusion. I feel like 3 is plenty and its already hard to keep all 3 up anyway. What would be nice though is letting us use the downed phantasm when we’re not downed. Maybe have it inflict poison or chill.

Esplen.3940:

If a thief is downing you in 2 hits, you’re able to down him in 2 hits as well. This is a proven fact unless you’re naked in WvW.
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Realistically speaking, a Mesmer will never 2 shot a Thief unless you sneak up on them (which rarely happens since they’re trying to sneak up on you). You can beat a thief if you’re really good, but its almost always a drawn out battle of trading stealths/fields.

As a PvP Mesmer, I’m not so secretly loving the nerf that s/d thieves are getting….

I would love to see a MH Pistol option for Mesmers! Since Mesmers don’t really know how to use weapons in the conventional way (who here honestly doesn’t see GS as a glorified sniper rifle?) I could see MH pistol being used as more of a slight AoE weapon instead. Mesmers could shoot the ground to drop a field like Chaos Storm, make a gunslinger illusion that stacks confusion/useful condis, or just bounce magic bullets like Pistol 5 already does. I could also see a MH Pistol unloading skill similar to our iDuelist which would really help our lack of DPS problem.

I know that this would just add another ranged weapon to our disposal which could become redundant, but what Mesmer honestly wants to engage in melee with a war or gaurd….or any class for that matter?

Veruah.5302:

I had no idea this rapier skin existed. Can you get that with gems in any way?
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You can get it at the Trading Post for what I would consider a cheaper price than gems. Its about 30G iirc. Mesmers are the only class that look cool using it as we’re the only light armor class that can use swords.

I’m going to be completely honest. I only bought GW2 because of 2 reasons: it was on a killer sale for like $20 and I really wanted to use Bonetti’s Rapier because I love fencing in MMOs. When I found out that Mesmers could use both swords, magic, AND pistols, I thought this would be the best class for me. I fell in love with the Mesmer mechanics, the GS skills, and the designs. However, as soon as I hit around lv25~ I could tell that Mesmers were going to be a tricky class to play. As I started sPvP—my favorite playstyle—I found that Mesmers were pretty underpowered compared to most classes. Our DPS wasn’t extraordinary, we’re the most squishy light armor class, Thieves completely crap on our lives, good players never really fell for our ‘illusion tricks’, and just about everything we can do, another class did better.

Most people call Mesmers the ‘trash class of the game’ (although I am firm in my beliefs that we will always be better than Rangers) and a lot of players refuse to dungeon with us because they see us as dead-weight. I haven’t played WvW yet, but my understanding is that we are pretty much only useful for Portal (which I have yet to find use for in PvE or PvP).

The other day, after losing a few sPvP matches, I finally decided to break down and try a few other classes. I rerolled as an Elementalist and a Thief to see how both classes played…..and I hated them both. I was completely bored with these classes and their designs were just meh. I kept finding myself go back to my Mesmer again and again.

Despite what others say about Mesmers (this entire post makes me really sad, BTW) I still love the class. I think I will always try to find ways to make this class relevant again. So I want to ask the Mesmer community why they still play this class. Maybe we can all encourage each other to find a way to better this class despite the negativity (read: multiple bugs) about it.

P.S. – Sorry for the wall of text.

Arcus Pride [ArcP] is a medium up-and-coming LGBT-minded PvX guild. We span multiple servers from Tarnished Coast to Crystal Desert. We are mostly a judgement free social guild for people to be themselves, hang, chat, and play together. We welcome all Gaymers of any skill level, experience, and time commitment. Our guild hosts different contests and events for our members with different prizes as well as mentoring for newer players.

Instead of using TeamSpeak, we usually use either Skype or communicate on our Facebook Page.

While we don’t have a set schedule of events, at any given time we will take part in:
-Dungeon (story and explorable)
-Living Story
-Personal Story
-Guild Missions (soon)
-Powerleveling newer players
-tPvP
-Gossip
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-Miscellaneous shenanigans

If you’re interested or would like to know more, message me on here for an invite!

Hello! I really enjoy sPvP and I absolutely love my Mesmer. However, as we all know, thieves are a serious pain in the neck to deal with. I’ve heard people say that Mesmers can avoid being backstabbed but I never seem to be able to do it. As a Mes, I also have serious problems avoiding a damage spike from thieves (I’m pretty sure surviving one if you’re caught is all but impossible).

I’m currently alternating between 2 builds depending on the arena
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAR8alknpRttpxBNcrRSqxcqnQ5XrRyBCokf0NA
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQJARWlknpRttpxBNcrRSqxcqnQ5XrRyBCokf0NA

Would anyone like to suggest a better build to fight thieves, prevent backstabbing, or gain better survivability?

Swish.2463:

I confess that the Mesmer NPC’s are more useful, powerful, and less buggy than mine.

specifically Countess Anise, Kasmeer and queen jennah..

PS, not even the Edge of Destiny Jennah, the Personal story version that just stands there…

This is literally the best post in the history of best posts.

-I refuse to use a scepter. Ever.

-I only rolled Mesmer because they were the only magic class that uses guns (and I really only bought the game because I wanted to use Bonetti’s Rapier) yet I have fallen in love with this class.

-I really want to try a PU build, but I’m afraid it won’t work well in sPvP

-I hate thieves with a passion because of this class

Thanks so much! It was the Researcher’s Epaulets that was getting me. The tie makes it look like its part of the chest armor. My outfit is now complete thanks to you

Hello all! There is a very regal skin/light armor going around in GW2Style and even Facebook that I just have to get my hands on. Unfortunately, I have not been able to contact the people on this sites about this skin and I’ve only seen it once in-game (on a female) which leads me to believe that it is either very rare or not available anymore.

The armor can be found at this link: http://imgur.com/7NusDbj.png

If anyone could please tell me the name of the skin, I would be very appreciative!

Thanks