Guild Wars 2

Why are we not given the option to buy the new ascended gear with pristine fractals, or at least something else than those rings. There is nothing you can do with them when you have your gear. Except maybe give some stuff to your twinks, but this is just postponing the issue.

The Blue Ace.2850:

I disagree, most of the people who got legendarys were either people who got their mats close to the launch of the game when the prices were laughable and people who play the market.

Me and my regular guildmember all have legendarys. And I can tell you how we got em: Orr and CoF p1. No playing the tp or early silly prices. We just play the game and don’t complain on the forum about how everything is stupidly costed. Because if you take time to farm those things you come to realize that it is not overcosted. But you rather spent your time here – not playing.

Lightrayne.7829:

Nozdrum.2894:

OP sees lfg with “lf1m cof p1 speedfarm, berserker gear required”
OP does not have berserker gear
OP joins anyways
OP gets kicked for not having berserker gear
OP creates rage-thread

Actually, OP posted that he was LFG… his LFG post description said nothing about zerker gear, only that he wanted a speed run, and a bad group picked him up asking for zerker gear and kicked him for not having it, hence, the rage post.

Ups you are right, seems like I can’t read. I take everything back and apologize to OP.

It sure was, but the last couple of posts were all about charged lodestones and how insane it is to farm them.
What it boils down to is that you believe that charged lodestones :
* do not drop enough
* have a high price on the tp because of market-manipulation

And therefore find yourself unable to get your lodestones.
But if you look at both statements together it starts making sense.
They are high in price because they do not drop as often as other lodestones. Or rather the dungeons that are being farmed regularly do not drop the lodestones you are looking for. Also many items require charged lodestones and thus the high demand.
For example why are molten cores and lodestones so cheap? Because everyone is farming cof p1. Why are glacial cores and lodestones so cheap? There are not many recipes that need those lodestones.
But this does not interest you I guess.
Like I said before if you are not able to adapt, go do something else.
You want something. There are (imho)enough ways to get them. You are not capable of doing so or do not want to → You won’t get it no matter how much you brag about it.

You know, if you don’t find yourself able to farm those lodestones just buy em from the tp. You need to adapt to the game not the other way around. If you are unable to do this maybe you should consider doing something else instead.

Oh and btw.

saying everything is fine when its not.

This is just your opinion nothing more.

Oglaf.1074:

Yeah, you should just have to do your home Borderlands. Technically speaking, the other two Borderlands are not part of YOUR World even!

My world is fractals, dungeons and the tp. So I should only complete those right?

Leo Paul.1659:

I haven’t reached fotm level 5 yet and thus I am not able to get ascended rings yet and they’re adding more ascended items already? OMG T_T If only they fix the disconnection issue first then I would be able to farm more smoothly for my ascended equips. I feel like I’m so far behind from everyone else.. Not being able to reconnect after disconnection is really upsetting).

They said they are going to fix the disconnect-issue with this patch also.

@Topic
Hope we will be able to use our useless pristine fractals for this :S At least they only take one slot in the bank and not five million like the fractal relics and rings do.

I don’t know what happened. OP was not very clear on what happended exactly. So I don’t think we can infer anything useful here. As it is now he joined a dungeon that was cleared and was kicked when he did not payed. That is all he wrote and if you assume that people are not evil just stupid I would say that OP just did not see the pay-comment when he joined. But this is only one way of seeing it. If you think he joined ( and no one told him anything ) he helped with the last boss and then got kicked because he didn’t pay, then I agree it is scamming.

But we just don’t know enough to judge this situation.
We don’t know how he found the party. gw2lfg ( with a pay-comment or not ) or map-chat ( with a pay-comment or not ). We don’t know if OP read everything. We don’t know when he got kicked ( immediately when he joined or at the end of the boss ) and what people were telling him exactly and when. We don’t know how OP reacted to anything ( was he angry and said stupid things – I don’t believe he did, just saying it might be possible )
So in the end there is not much to talk about other than the thread that malediktus linked.

This thread is sooooo subjective. If you wan’t to make a serious attempt to promote balance-changes then you had to play every class of this game in a lot of different ways in a lot of scenarios ( pve, spvp, wvwvw ) and collect a lot of data. Also you had to try a lot of different builds and be good at them. Just trying something for 2min and failing at it and saying it is impossible/too hard is not a good way of evaluating the condition a class is in. Most people will just post here that they feel that something is bad or good, but this mostly is not grounded in reallity.

Just reminds me off
Scissor says: “Rock is overpowered nerf it. Paper is fine.”

Yep I agree to Malediktus here. OP stated that the instance was already cleared and he joined and had to pay for the free dungeon. You don’t pay → you get kicked.

Tanknastole.3617:

In current state of dungeons everyone is skipping most of the dungeon just to get tokens in the end. Nobody cares for something like fun and if you wipe in AC half of your party will leave with words “lol wipe in AC waste of time”. I simply dont like this and as simple solution i would add something like dungeon progress for killing creeps along the way and if you get like 90% of dungeon kills you would get all tokens if not you would for example get just half or something like that.

Does this bother anyone else ?
What are your suggestions to fix this ?

Just because you don’t find it fun does not mean everyone else does not find it fun.

This has been discussed over and over again on this forum. Skipping is a legit way to do a dungeon and you won’t stop them.The solution was always the same ( has even been said by a dev ): If you wan’t to kill everything, find a group that want’s to kill everything. If you wan’t to skip everything, find a group that want’s skip everything.

Will I be able to buy this new ascended gear with pristine fractals, because I don’t know what to do with these except storing them in the bank with my other 12 useless ascended-rings.

Autoattack is not burst-damage.
And yes of course you can dodge physical attacks, but condition can also be removed – there are even some bosses that lose all their condition after less than a second, where you will be completely useless. But I don’t think that I tell you anything by that – you should know that there are ways to deal with every type of attack. So this is not an argument.

And yes the only fair compariso is damage over time. I already gave you mine: about 3k-4k per autoattack, without berserker and switching weapons for phantasmal warden.
So where is your damage over time?

Perfect example of “I don’t understand this, it must be evil”

Crossplay.2067:

Xavi.6591:

Condition builds aren’t that effective in PvE as most NPC’s don’t hit fast enough for them to be that viable.

Staff auto-attacks cause burning and sharper images causes bleeds on crit. Neither of these need the enemy to attack to work.

Yeah and still is far less damage than just autoattacking with a bersker-gs-build. Try to get over 3k-4k damage (autoattack of berserk-mesmer ) with your spells and conditions.

Errant Venture.9371:

[…]fix this problem.

Could you elaborate why this is even a problem? And don’t tell me “precursors cost too much”. That is just your opinion.

joe.9815:

the least used class in wvw

[citation needed]

the least used class in dungeons

[citation needed]

you [can’t]speed run with it

[citation needed]

no one get a necro

[citation needed]

Always love those people that claim things without providing any data or proof

Vox Hollow.2736:

Yes, that is indeed a hard thing.
It seems like you’re just saying you don’t feel like you have enough incentive. Well, apparently, that’s being looked at. So, it sounds like everything is working out splendidly?

I’ll admit I’m not entirely sure I understood your post.

Sorry was quite late here when I wrote all those words :S, also english is not my first language – probably easy to notice.
But yeah incentive is a good word for it. The incentive to kill mobs is just not high enough for me.
I think you understood it quite well =) and I think dungeon-wise they are doing alot of good things.

Vox Hollow.2736:

I’m honestly waiting for a single well written or reasonable post explain to me why just skipping packs of mob without using any exploit is somehow a bad thing.

Fair enough, I guess.
But that’s kind of a misleading question.

Skipping is a symptom, not a disease.
It’s a sign that a large part of dungeon content isn’t entertaining and rewarding enough. How we feel about the symptom isn’t really relevant, because at the end of the day, no developer’s going to purposefully keep a large portion of dungeon content a boring and unrewarding experience just to maintain the status quo.

To be fair it is very hard to create a dungeon that is interesting after like 20 run troughs. For example I really like fractals you get a nice variety of things to do and the mobs sometimes even drop well. Also fractals keeps getting harder which is making it interesting.
But you can’t expect that every dungeon in this game is desgined in a way that it is still interesting after 100 runs. I think they did a good job with fractals.

If I am anywhere else I will skip everything if it is possible with the group, because trash-mobs are not worth my time – MY time. If you believe it is worth killing mobs that are not required you are evaluating your time wrong, at least money-wise. Of course there are exceptions like first playtrough, but if you wan’t the money your time is better spent skipping the mobs and doing an additional path for more money.
Also some bosses are a exception, for example if your group is not braindead and knows how to dodge you should kill kohler. The problem here is: most people are braindead and don’t know how to dodge and die to kohler making it take so long that it isn’t worth killing him. You can always compare the time spent on killing a optional boss to farming orr/cof p1. If the money/time is better than orr/cof p1 money/time go for the kill, but most optional bosses and especially the trash lose here.

Second image is me with a guildmember

I change my skills for every fractal and often also in the fractal, you should be adapting on what is needed at the moment.

Toxyn.9608:

What I’m saying is that requesting a feature to be taken directly from another game isn’t an idea. Put a spin on it.

Want a challenge mode? Drop the time-based aspect and…I don’t know…perhaps a “Perfection” mode. If no one dies during your dungeon run, a second chest appears at the end which contains an assortment of T6 mats, additional dungeon tokens, and a small hance at a precursor.

This gives people the option to drop their Beserker builds and experiment with more sustainable builds. It also helps lessen the grind for the legendary and makes getting dungeon gear quicker.

This idea could of course be tweaked.

Things like this instead of, paraphrasing; “use WoWs challenge mode”.

Sure I am not very creative thats why I just used WoW challange mode. If there are other better ways of doing this I would love it.
I just want a bit more challange in dungeons while keeping the regular ones alive, but also promotes doing a dungeon fast.

Toxyn.9608:

I’m trying to be sympathetic, but I’m starting to become frustrated by “ideas” to bring features of one MMO into another. True ideas, innovations, would be things that make Guild Wars 2 unique in comparison.

Please don’t meta-talk in this thread =). I understand your point, but only the problem you are adressing is not the topic of this thread.

Toxyn.9608:

Not to mention that challenge modes are sort of already in GW2. At least the dynamic level/stat portion which lets 80s still experience low level dungeons.

True for dungeons below 80 you are getting better rewards. But this is level-dependent not tempo-dependent – which I am suggesting here.

lorazcyk.8927:

I thought Anet doesn’t want to encourage speedclears?

[Citation needed]

Hi,

since my client crashed again and it needs to repair itself I found some time to suggest something which is already implemented in WoW: Challenge Mode

Basicly it is just speedrunning. The faster you are the better your reward will be at the end. In WoW it is splitted in 3 medals. I would really love to see something like that, also this should end all the rage in the dungeon-forum about skipping because people who want a dungeon done fast ( and know how to do it ) will go there and everyone who wants their kill-all-trash-watch-all-cutscene-run can go the normal way.
You could also make some nice achievment out of these medals or whatever and a global/monthly/daily ladder.
The reward could be something as simple as more token/gold, you sure have good ideas.

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

I don’t think there are many people who have more than 50g and do not
a.) play the auction house (flipping orders)
b.) buy gems and change those to money

Try to farm CoF p1 for a day and see how much richer you are after that.

Got kicked out of the game while porting. Now I can’t login

Cures.7451:

aaaaaaw .. NOOOES!
you forgot one aditional tool those kittens use – calc… shh, not so loud .. calculators! cheaters i tell you, they are all cheaters! rofl the spidy-hackers ^^

Put your voice down man. People can hear you.
Also I heard people are using excel, but only high profile hackers do that.

Krimpton.4879:

Kinglette.4906:

Do the npc players ignore you in the other maps?
No didnt think so, what you are saying is im a bad i can kill npcs but not players please nerf the game.
either that or spend some time in wvw and see it can be fun, the added danger that you could actually die rather than auto attack and afk help the time pass

I think most of us are totally NOT INTERESTED in killing other players..
And the only reason most people are in WvW is because its one of the easiest and most efficient ways to farm Karma.
Oh and its full of underwater farming botts too..
And people camped in the jumping puzzle 24 hours a day to get there ‘’easy kills’’
The only Added danger in it is if one zerg is going clockwise round the map and the other is going anti clockwise and they accidently bump into each other.
Even then with the culling issue you dont see 90% of the people on either side so where is the excitement in that.??
Killed by invisibility.. ;p
{Edit to agree with op} and yes i agree with the op WvW should Never had been made a part of world completion.. thats a fact.. end of story..

I for my self would like to add: Lag.
Today I finished my monthly and this is the only time I do WvW because it is totally not fun. Also I don’t get any fun of killing other players. This is especially true for the jp, we just slow each other down in getting the treasure – this is helping no one.
But I have to agree stoped trying WvW a long time ago, no fun for me to stomp other people in the ground.

Really, really don’t fight mobs that are even 1 level higher than you.

Did not read all ten pages so I hope this was not posted before.
If you cast timewarp under the effect of quicken the timewarp-bubble will stay there only for 5 seconds instead of 10.

I agree to everything said here. Go glass cannon anything else is just a waste of everyones time. What utility-skills you need depends on the fractal and on the boss you are fighting. In general feedback is a good one =)
I change my utility-skills nearly always as we enter a fractal, before we fight the first boss, after we fought the first boss and so on.

The class you are looking for is called guardian.

I understand this patch in the context of pvp. But for pve you just lose so much group-potential, now I can’t really buff my group well anymore so I am going back to full-berserk mode. Just brain-afk autoattack mode since I don’t have anything useful to do. Exceptions are bosses where I have to use feedback – so yeah every 40 seconds I will go come back from firefox to the game.

You guys reallize that grinding is one core mechanic of any mmo?
There is a lot of content in the game that does not require you to grind, this does so deal with it.

As I am on the quest to farm sunrise I feel this the most frustrating part ( besides getting my precursor ), but still this just increases the value of sunrise – so I dont mind it that much.

But what I hate most is people demanding to be everything the way the want it be.
For example

and should NOT require months if not years worth of farming

Elric Of Melnibone.4781:

This game is NOT supposed to be about grind

Who are you to decide what this is game about and what shall be or shall not be? Did you spent years developing this game?

If you come to the conlcusion that farming sparks is not a good way to get em then think about something else. Go farm fractals, go farm crucible, go farm skritts for bags, go farm money to buy it from the tp.
If you think the price is too high then you don’t value them as high as others do, that is all there is.
Maybe you should overthink your plan on getting a legendary if you can’t handle these kinds of problems.

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How long do your cof-runs take with those builds? 30 minutes? How do you kill your opponents – heal them do death?

After a long and hard dungeon:
Guy1: Hey man this <whatever> was hard and took us several hours and attempts to complete, but in the end it was fun.
Guy2: Yeah see ya tomorrow.
Next day in la mapchat:
Guy3: Buying <whatever>-completion for 10g.
Guy 1 sees it → Possible reaction:
1. Does not even remotly care
2. Laughs at him for being superior and goes on with his life
3. Writes bad things in the map chat
4. Writes really bad things in the map chat
5. Writes really really bad thing in the map chat and whispers him
5. Goes so mad that he writes a forum post because he can’t go on with the fact that people are solving problems not the way he did and everyone shall suffer because they don’t see the things the way he does. Probably also mad because of gay marriage, nyan-cat and WRONG toilette-paper-orientation.

Note to myself: the jellyfish boss of aquatic-fractal sure is a boring boss.

TsukasaHiiragi.9730:

And finally, the average player of GW2 will just never get a legendary weapon

Sounds about right to me. Why should it be different?

Because I get killed by invis people all the time.
No this is not a complain about thiefs.
It is a complain about people not loading in time. This really annoys me, why not just show a bunch of red names?
Also when I see them it likes like kitten and I can’t do anything remotly relevant because all I do has lagg.

The reason I don’t go wvw? It is unplayable for me.

And third time no reward, seriously why am I even doing this.

Context: PVE.

Condition damage is just bad compared to power/prec/crit. Don’t try it, it is a dead end at the moment. If you want to be useful go berserk and use your utility-slots ( feedback, nullfield, portal, veil, thiefery ).

evolverzilla.2359:

To me I just prefer the long term profit.

You know killing mobs has oppertunity costs.
But I agree if everyone in the group has mf-gear on and banner-buffs and mf-food it is probably worth killing the mobs, because you already commited so much.
But I never was in such a group ( exception of course some farming-spots like arah first boss – but we are not talking about that ), so why don’t you come out of your ivory tower =)

Azix.4123:

(really it doesn’t because they have to come back anyhow to rez someone).

Hahaha, no I dont. In fact none in my regular group is dying while skipping. And if someday someone dies we laugh at him, he puts on a spell more to survive or payes attention and gets trough alone. You hear me ALONE, if you don’t get trough alone you are bad and either dont know how to dodge or what spells your proffesion has or when to use them.

Azix.4123:

1: Perma aggro. Once you aggro, the mobs follow you throughout the whole dungeon. Stealth does not break aggro – in fact it takes the mob to the rest of the group. (Like WoW – sorry, it works)

Nope, there is still invis – also you can often just jump somewhere where mobs can’t follow you.

Azix.4123:

2: No switching characters to get loot. Seriously? There needs to be some sort of certificate or something. Also, if you need to switch characters to incorporate into the strategy, you need to fix the game in general. Versatile classes?

Nope again, if you fail to make a good group it is your fault. Five warriors with no bow/rifle in hotw-butcher-way: fun fun fun. I am not saying you should need a very specific group, but you shouldn’t be like “Five necros will work everyday everywhere”.
I like how it is now, you can do nearly everything with every group if people at least have different weapons with them and theirfor are compensating.

Azix.4123:

3: Indicate who the party leader is.

Would like some indicator too.

Azix.4123:

4: Please have a dungeon finder… It isn’t really a new thought – for crying out loud. You are making people use 3rd party applications and websites… g w 2 l f g . c o m

Yeah would be nice, but not really needed. I got a guild and a friendlist =)

Azix.4123:

I’ve been burnt way too many times by this game. If anyone else has any feedback, write it here. This game needs fixed. Too many people trying to save 30 seconds.

It is not like not-saving 30 seconds gives me anything that is worth 30 seconds. Also try kill everything you see while running trough arah – will be more like 30 minutes to an hour compared to skip. ( Same with ta i guess )

Hey man how did you got here? There is no ingame feature to write in this forum, at least I dont know. If there is the game didn’t show me properly. We should try to add an ingame-feature that allows to use the forum ingame. Maybe we call it “browser”.
Don’t you think it is unfair to other players to write here. People that are in the game can’t read the thing you wrote here, unless they tab out of their game or even close it.

I like the title. It is implying things that are not proven and from this assumption he is creating all kind of nonsense.
If you wan’t a hard dungeon why don’t you go arah and fractals 30+ ?

Malediktus.9250:

Nozdrum.2894:

Malediktus.9250:

In the end they earned nothing because the rest of the dungeon takes 40% longer with 1-2 people dead and doing nothing.

Take a look at what I wrote here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Twilight-Arbor-only-45-Tokens-at-the-end/first
We did five dungeons too fast, TOO FAST. We skipped every group and event possible. Also of course full berserk equip on all five people and none of us died while skipping ( mostly because we know how to dodge ). Now show me how you do that if you kill every mob and do every event you see in a dungeon.

THats good, DR should be stricter so skipping gets punished.

You are pretty ignorant. Your way of playing is not the only one. For example everyone in our guild wants legendary ( and when we are not in the mood to farm we just do fractals ). And a good way to get rares/ectos/exotics/money is to do dungeons fast and not kill mobs that don’t contribute to that. I am not saying everyone should skip – If you like killing all the mobs go for it, but make sure everyone knows it and everyone agrees to it. We always say that we speedrun and skip before we start anything ( when inviting randoms to our group ). If they don’t wanna do that they are free to leave, but if the are just stupid and don’t care for what the majority of the group want we just let em rot somewhere between the trash and eventually they leave or complain in the chat that it is impossible to skip. But again: If you want to do all the trash look for a group that also wants that and not try to impose your style on everybody else.

And to the dimishing return: We just make 5 minutes break between runs now, so the dr doesnt hit us. If the dr hits earlier we would just increase the breaks or would do something else inbetween, it would change nothing.

Ever tought about the fact that they might want it the way they have it now?

Malediktus.9250:

In the end they earned nothing because the rest of the dungeon takes 40% longer with 1-2 people dead and doing nothing.

Take a look at what I wrote here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Twilight-Arbor-only-45-Tokens-at-the-end/first
We did five dungeons too fast, TOO FAST. We skipped every group and event possible. Also of course full berserk equip on all five people and none of us died while skipping ( mostly because we know how to dodge ). Now show me how you do that if you kill every mob and do every event you see in a dungeon.