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then stop copy builds and setups from “good” teams and start use your brain for counter out this “bad meta”, instead whine all time around on forums.

all of this “op builds” are able to play out.
so bad joke when 2 days after patch all think we have a new meta and stop try around.

its all time the same player names whine here.
my idea for anet, ignore forum
you cant make this ppls happy, the old meta was also soooo bad.
it was same qq.

old ele qq
old shatter mes qq
old trapper ranger qq
old bm ranger qq
old backstab thief qq
old nade ingi qq
old hgh engi qq
some bomb engi qq
now necro qq
now spirit ranger qq
now s/d thief qq
also now cc warrior qq soon?

i forgot something?…
all time the same players whine about the actual meta.
maybe you should whine about your less player skill or look for better game.
one of both is the reason

keep playing instead camp on forum and wait for next discussion topics…

Shranks.3260:

Oidmetala.8426:

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at least, because i also play spirit ranger…
stop to put it on s-tier… -.-
its so beatable! if u put ranger on s-tier then go with engin, warrior, s/d thief and necro also on s-tier.
just learn to destroy sometimes “minions” first…
everyone know it vs mm necro, why u stop use brain vs ranger.
spirit ranger is a a-tier profession,
its not so lame and easy to 1vs1 other professions as spirit ranger.
[…]

Thing is – in the past you only had good 1v1 classes that excelled in 1v1 only.
You cannot say Ranger is not strong in 1v1s.

Imo a strong 1v1 build shouldn’t have huge team support. Either you spec for the one or the other.
With the spirits though it offers great team support – and with the rez it’s huge support!

Same for the Necro – with necro you can kill almost every class in 1v1 if played strong – also it’s HUGE team support at the same time.

Why would you pick anything else than a profession/build that can do everything.

whats with engin then?
its strong like hell on 1vs1 and rly useful on team.
stop guys on rezing or stomping, make downed ppls invis and rez with elixier or use ulti on point Oo
and when side point is open from the spirit ranger, the bomb engi go invis because use this stupid jumpfinisher to the enemy homepoint.
rly funny to go back as ranger and fight the engi then at ur decaped homepoint with a win chance 50/50… and when u win him he jump invis away.
got some fights vs teldo and it feels like a troll when i was winning and he just jumped away for come back again with the much knocks, it ends on a all time decpaed closepoint.
and dont forget engi won 2vs1 on pax.
teldo is rly good, but not unbeatable.

there is spirit ranger less “imba” in teamfight or 1vs1
and dont forget how fast the spirits go down…
rez ghost is nice when u can use it good, but its balanced and on huge coodlown
AND u can interrupt it.
also its buged atm when u cast his active effect to fast after u summoned him

the hate is like always without much reason on ranger and on some other professions atm.
history of ranger, trapper ranger balanced all whined, bm ranger balacned all whined, now same on spirit ranger :P
lets wait for longbow ranger whine.
sure its strong on 1vs1, but u have to play also good as ranger when u whant win vs good players

there is not bad team running around with
power necro, cc warrior, bunker guardian, dmg guardian and backstab thief and they have win vs “master pro teams” like car crash which play meta setup.
so i think this ppls are good players, because they dont play the meta and show us its not a must do to win all matches…

so in my mind anet should patch careful in next patch on atm working professions and look on not used weapons and traits to push them for new working builds.
also the mesmer just need something little buff to bring him back.

i whant more nice changes like the extra animation on necro staff fear, because its so important to watch enemy animations, there its bad joke when some attacks have so huge different effect, but same animation.
im happy to finaly see when i have to dodge necro fear.
its not rly a nerf but bring more balance in high skilled pvp when fight vs a necro

at least, because i also play spirit ranger…
stop to put it on s-tier… -.-
its so beatable! if u put ranger on s-tier then go with engin, warrior, s/d thief and necro also on s-tier.
just learn to destroy sometimes “minions” first…
everyone know it vs mm necro, why u stop use brain vs ranger.
spirit ranger is a a-tier profession,
its not so lame and easy to 1vs1 other professions as spirit ranger.

Batmang.5421:

Oidmetala.8426:

rly interesting to put spirit ranger on s-tier and same spot like necro…
dont know, but its for sure not a to strong build.

looks like rangers goes always rly fast from b-tier to s-tier when they only get a good balanced build.
its more weak build then the necro atm and you guys put him on same spot…
dont know how u can do that.
a skilled ranger player cant destroy a skilled necro player.
as spirit ranger u have only a chance with a fast fight, but vs a good nec its always a long fight and you lose that because when spirits death you will lose so sure.

a spirit ranger can lose vs a skilled cc warrior, the warrior have better win chances then the spirit ranger

a spirit ranger lose more often vs a necro as he win him

a spirit ranger can lose vs a s/d thief when he first destroy spirits with shortbow

spirit ranger vs bomb engi is also 50/50
and bomb engi get nearly always a decap

sry guys, but its so a well balanced build in my mind atm and for sure not in s-tier

It appears as if you’re only considering 1v1’s which are a relatively small part of competitive play.

ye, why i should not.
its hes main job to hold such situations on his close, or im wrong?

on teamfight its not so op strong build as u think, spirits die rly fast on teamfight situations.
rly nice is the spirit rez, but anet have give this skill a huge cooldown, so its ok.

in my mind the meta is not so destroyed as many ppls think atm.
there are not so much nerfs need.
just some litte buffs can bring a good balance.
also warriors is finaly rly viable. its strong profession in my mind

rly interesting to put spirit ranger on s-tier and same spot like necro…
dont know, but its for sure not a to strong build.

looks like rangers goes always rly fast from b-tier to s-tier when they only get a good balanced build.
its more weak build then the necro atm and you guys put him on same spot…
dont know how u can do that.
a skilled ranger player cant destroy a skilled necro player.
as spirit ranger u have only a chance with a fast fight, but vs a good nec its always a long fight and you lose that because when spirits death you will lose so sure.

a spirit ranger can lose vs a skilled cc warrior, the warrior have better win chances then the spirit ranger

a spirit ranger lose more often vs a necro as he win him

a spirit ranger can lose vs a s/d thief when he first destroy spirits with shortbow

spirit ranger vs bomb engi is also 50/50
and bomb engi get nearly always a decap

sry guys, but its so a well balanced build in my mind atm and for sure not in s-tier

but double ranger is big fail Oo
better use double necro for be op.

atm spirit ranger is in a well balanced spot.
kill spirits and its a ranger without utilitys…

s-tier:
+ condi necro

a-tier:
+ bomb engin
+ s/d thief
= bunker guardian
= spirit ranger
= dps elem
- cc warrior
- shatter mesmer

b-tier:
+ bunker ele
+ beastmaster ranger
+ hgh engin
+ dmg guardian
+ power necro
+ backstab thief
= trapper ranger
- 100 blades warrior
… all this not any more much used builds

c tier:
- longbow/longsword ranger
- condi mesmers
- staff ele
… all this never rly well worked builds

would be interesting to know if there some not enough tested builds to brake this meta a bit, because this tier-list is only a meta questsion and depends some times on only 1-2 dominating professions and the counter builds vs them.
last week we got a interesting fight vs a team with bunker guard, dmg guard, backstab thief, power necro and cc warrior.
we used meta setup and it was not easy vs them
we stay ladder ~<100 and they was ladder ~<200
so it was not rly a random match with not skilled ppls.

oh ok, then i use this topic for a real spirit bug :P

when i summon a spirits and whant to press rly fast the button again for use the active skill of them, nothing happens and the active skill go to cooldwon.
i think the grandmaster trait (spirits follow u) is the reason for this bug, because they move a bit to side when i summon them and when i press in this time the active skill, nothing happens.

much time this is not fun when i need the rez ghost rly fast.
its happen only when u summon the spirit and press rly fast the button again for active skill.
well when u know this its not such a huge problem to handle, but at start it was rly not fun when my rez ghost was do nothing (and im sure nobody have interrupt him)

also the spirits dont cast when u jump down somewhere, but well thats not such a huge problem, but why they go to cooldown when such things happen.
its rare situations but sometimes its important.

something to see when passive trait effects are ready would be nice to have

something like to see when is ranger passive condi cleanse rdy again,
when is the stun break or the invis passive rdy again and and and…

because for example when the stunbreak trait is rdy, you can do a safestomp as ranger.
so it would be nice to know its rdy again…

sry, but please finaly accept rangers in tournys…

spirit ranger is the first well balanced build with strengh and weak points
there are ways to win him if u do right and ways to lose him if u do wrong…

its same maybe like vs shatter mes, you have to dodge the shatter combo or
at ele you have to dodge the dmg combos when hes in some elements…
or at bomb engi you have to look on which kit/weapon he is and dont stay in fire combofields… each class have his speacial way to play against and thats good

at spirit ranger, most easy way first look for kill sun spirit, much professions can kill all 3 spirits fast with aoe, then
look maybe a bit on spirits when they die, because the active skills.
when ranger summon new spirits you can hit him easy rly hard, its such a long cast time

for me its rly nice and balanced build, nn to nerf around there…
more interesting would be finaly give ranger better dps builds with longsword or longbow

Drakula.8405:

Oidmetala.8426:

Drakula.8405:

The developers answer just prove what is the situation— Necro in this game are the MINORITY!!! compare to other classes, 30% of player base in Gw2 are guardians 24% war and when ppl from that classes cry about necro and ask nerf for our class what u expect ???
Guardians cry about nerf Corrupted Boon — was nerf after that terror now the fire damage ….were u guys going with this ?? to delete my class and be force to play other class that i don’t like .

Since an ele started this thread and since the result was a nerf i’m very disappointed .

GUYS DON’T LIE TO YOURSELF THEY DON’T WANT ANY KIND OF NECRO IN THE NEW META!
I’m waiting to the point when i will be like i was a free kill in spvp just like all mesmer /thief/ele wants.

I hope will not become the bunkers fight in the new meta since the only thing that killed a bunker was conditions but is this what u ask for .

Pls don’t balance this class with the suggestion from other class players in the future

sad, but your main class is still op.
i have do 1vs1 before the nerf and after the nerf vs necromancer.
still cant win it. (no ulti use)
dont know wheres the logic on necros atm.
win nearly each1vs1 and be a beast at the teamfight.
also win vs builds just created for 1vs1s…
simple kite enemys and stay on distance when spam them to hell…
np with enough cripple, fear and slows…

for sure the qq against necro is huge, because nearly nobody can beat this atm.
there are only some less builds can win a necro atm
and this also not so easy…
sry but playing necro need not much skill atm, start spam is most time enough to bring enemy player fast in trouble and defensive, because its like a condi burst.
also double fear is lame like hell when u hit the staff fear and spam fast the ds fear then and maybe put the fear wall after when its a point defender you fight there… wow, gg.
most lame profession atm and most easy to play one.
no reason to defend this, im not calling much for nerfs, but because necro, fun stoped hard to play this game atm… (well when i play a bit necro then not, because its like godmode)
see teams play double necro is reason enough to start thinking…

a necro on khylo trebu is a huge problem atm when you face one of this much double necro teams.

Since when spvp is 1vs1?

And are builds that kill a terrormancer in 1vs1 , don’t know what u play but necro isn’t immortal .Did u even try to adjust with traits or utilities vs a necro or u just didn’t bother with this??

where i have write pvp is 1vs1?
u have read my full message or not?
i just wonder why necro have to win nearly each 1vs1 and is ALSO a monster in the teamfight.
when you dont go fast for the necro he wipe the full team, the guard goes so hard in trouble when the nec stand free and start spam.
and 2 ppls who go for the nec have it not rly easy to become him down.

for me its most lame profession atm, it was not bad balanced for the kitten buffs.
the patch have buff the nec just rly to MUCH.
for sure nec main players defend it now like hell, because its the free ticket to have easy play atm.
for me np i just start also use it and lame around like much players switched to necro.
this last patches have change the full ladder and meta.

Drakula.8405:

The developers answer just prove what is the situation— Necro in this game are the MINORITY!!! compare to other classes, 30% of player base in Gw2 are guardians 24% war and when ppl from that classes cry about necro and ask nerf for our class what u expect ???
Guardians cry about nerf Corrupted Boon — was nerf after that terror now the fire damage ….were u guys going with this ?? to delete my class and be force to play other class that i don’t like .

Since an ele started this thread and since the result was a nerf i’m very disappointed .

GUYS DON’T LIE TO YOURSELF THEY DON’T WANT ANY KIND OF NECRO IN THE NEW META!
I’m waiting to the point when i will be like i was a free kill in spvp just like all mesmer /thief/ele wants.

I hope will not become the bunkers fight in the new meta since the only thing that killed a bunker was conditions but is this what u ask for .

Pls don’t balance this class with the suggestion from other class players in the future

sad, but your main class is still op.
i have do 1vs1 before the nerf and after the nerf vs necromancer.
still cant win it. (no ulti use)
dont know wheres the logic on necros atm.
win nearly each1vs1 and be a beast at the teamfight.
also win vs builds just created for 1vs1s…
simple kite enemys and stay on distance when spam them to hell…
np with enough cripple, fear and slows…

for sure the qq against necro is huge, because nearly nobody can beat this atm.
there are only some less builds can win a necro atm
and this also not so easy…
sry but playing necro need not much skill atm, start spam is most time enough to bring enemy player fast in trouble and defensive, because its like a condi burst.
also double fear is lame like hell when u hit the staff fear and spam fast the ds fear then and maybe put the fear wall after when its a point defender you fight there… wow, gg.
most lame profession atm and most easy to play one.
no reason to defend this, im not calling much for nerfs, but because necro, fun stoped hard to play this game atm… (well when i play a bit necro then not, because its like godmode)
see teams play double necro is reason enough to start thinking…

a necro on khylo trebu is a huge problem atm when you face one of this much double necro teams.

lol…. seriously?

ok, enough forum for today
i leave again

Zenith.7301:

Lopez.7369:

Condition necromancers don’t get eaten alive by thieves or rangers, and they’re not outlasted by elementalists. Warriors are probably condition necromancer’s best counter in group fights, but they’re not good in one-on-one situations.

If a BM/spirit ranger loses to a conditionmancer he’s just terrible. Sit on healing spring, bring signet of renewal plus empathetic bond, and pop elite spirit for extra condi removal.

And you’ve got to be kidding me if you think a s/d thief or p/d shadow arts condi removal thief doesn’t eat necromancers.

oh ok, show me pls how spirit ranger win a good necro without use rez spirit ulti :P
if u face a necro without this ulti and most time this happens, because the rez spirit is important for teamfight, then its max 50/50 who will win this and not a sure win for spirit ranger, its more sure win for the necro when u dont dodge some fears with all the same animations…
and the necromancer can eat spirits fast from distance, because they dont dodge when ranger do it.

bm vs necro is also max 50/50, there it depends on what skills of all the same necro animations the bm dodge and which not, so its random.
i cant sit on healing spring, because i have to dodge for my live vs necro when hes a skilled player

atm necro feels unfair like hell, sry but its still op.
i duo joined with a friend, we both used necro and for me it was first time to play a necro on tourny.
we was just troll around and it felt so unfair to play a necromancer, sry but theres nothing more easy to play and kill enemys with atm…
and im rly bad necromancer…
a bad necro player like me looks balanced, but a main necro player is op atm and not just because player skills…

for the topic:
i also think necro need some slow not to huge “nerfs”
its op atm, but only in good hands…

for me, because i play guardian and ranger.
i would like to have some more different animations on necro, to be sure what skills i have to dodge there and not just random.
when he do some animation i can just think “oh ok, its maybe one important skill i have to dodge now, but which?”
but well, fights are fast, when he hit a fear most time i eat the next big dmg skill fast after that.
maybe fears should have a extra animations, because its much and important to dodge…
also the deathshroud fear comes to instant, i just can dodge, activate block when its still viable after necro go into this

i think vs necro the fears are the problem, it feels so lame when the fight goes to this point when i have no more skills rdy to help myself and get feared slowed and at same time i become so fast dmg from condis that it feels like burst…
when i have to survive necro with guard or 1vs1 him on spirit ranger, big help would be to see fear more easy coming, so i dont have to lose much dodges or blocks viable and have them longer rdy when i can more easy decide to dodge this skill not because i can remove condis then, but i dodge then next one.

i think some extra animations for fear and a bit dmg reduce would help.

sry for bad engl.

the longbow is now better with this patch,
but anet was speak on sotg of put 2-3 skills toghether and crearte 1-2 new skills Oo
pls do that. i like the stealth on longbow rly now, but the skills on longbow feels still not so good on pvp. just my mind.

barrage feels so bad, because i have to stay and the dmg is low.
when i fight ppls i never use it…
it would be so more useful when i can run when cast barrage and it casts only one times barrag with full dmg and cripple.

maybe like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kErSOqASlKM
3:23 is how i would like barrage

next skill i dont like is rapid fire.
its not bad, but its also a long time cast skill.
most time i eat much dmg in this time when i cast it and often i have to interrupt it myself if one go offensive vs my glass canon build.
for example i fight some builds 1vs1 with new longbow.
barrage i never used and when i used rapid fire i eat always dmg like mesmer pistol or the necro marks, just because in this long cast time im not dodging and have to go offensive.
for sure there are combos like go invis > point blank shoot > rapid fire
but dont know. i would like rapid fire ~3 arrows with the dmg of full rapid fire…

i cant play zelda song of storms now anymore :…(

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i think it need some more fixes on ranger in future, but this is now finaly a good one
now some condi removal maybe also when not skill in wildnes survive would be nice :P
and not passiv ones

spirit ranger is a good choose atm if you whant prefer the ranger gameplay.
there is allrdy a stupid “spirit ranger op” topic on spvp.
but this topic is like always, created from idiots who cant believe that there are also ranger players back on tourny gameplay.

but i think a bm ranger can still do same job as in the past on tournament.
i have problems to use the spirit ranger good at maps like foefire, the point is more big and its important to hit the spirit active skills also.
but maybe i just need more practise, the build is not long out atm,
thats also a reason why ppls think its op, just because its something new on tpvp…

more problem is atm a bug on spirits,
when we summon them and press the active effect fast, it goes on cooldown but dont cast.
most big problem of this is on rez ulti :/

for me zoose is bad player.
we won his team with a rly bad friendlist team some month before…

and now we see him lose vs 5 rangers and anet listen to such players,
seriously…

i laughed so hard

yeah ppls always qq when they see a ranger, nothing new on this.

for me,
i dont think spirit ranger goes good or important for teams.
i tried also around with it last days, it feels strong when i go with a friendlist team vs other friendlist teams,
but when we play team vs team it feels less strong.

its again a homepoint bunker for 1vs1s with shaman, thats what i speak about
and there is the old bm ranger same strong in my mind.
the lightning reflexes and the 2 sigils on bm ranger (one condi remove and stunbreak sigil) make him for me more interesting vs good players atm
spirits still also die rly fast.

i can beat a good necro on 1vs1 with my bm ranger (rly hard)
but with spirit ranger its going interesting, its a fast fight and i loose it most time, maybe to less practise with this build atm, but i think no. i dont have the important condi remove sigil and lightning reflexes against the much fear there and
necro eats my spirits rly fast, then im naked.
same happens in teamfights, one ele is enough to remove all spirits rly fast.
when i whant my point dont go neutral, i prefer bm ranger vs bomb engi and all what can me knock or fear out of point.

looks like some ppls qq again just because they have no idea how to kill a spirit ranger…
with necro ist easy, stay first on distance and spam the ground skills on the spirits, they will die when the ranger dont have the ulti spirit.

its same with you,
you think spirit ranger is MORE then viable, but still there are not much in good teams running around, i see only symbolic and battosai do ranger atm.
kanscout and konrad quest do necromancer instead ranger when they go important fights, also symbolic have do it much.

before the patch i was also for TMO all the time the beastmaster ranger (you should remeber this, we fight sometimes vs boon) and there it was allrdy start to become a problem to use a ranger when the enemy team run a bomb engin instead of bm ranger.
its same with spirit ranger now, bomb engin is a bit more easy to fight on the 1vs1 with this build, but at end its the same.

after our team was gone, nobody ask me for play ranger.
all ask me to play guardian and they know my main class is the ranger..
and why i become ask for guardian, because nobody is interested to use ranger on teams, just qq but all know this class is not best choose.

and ranger was never popular or a must have in a srtrong team.

why i should take a bunkier ranger when i can run
guardian
ele
mes
bomb engi
thief/necro

all of them can do more well then a ranger atm.
not because they are stronger on 1vs1, no because they do better on the teamfights.

but thats not what i speak about.
ranger players whant have offensive dmg builds and there is still not any one working atm, because the class mechanic, much traits, skills and weapons are crap like hell!
we should talk about this ingame, its offtopic

Empathetic Fighter.2065:

Try spirit ranger, it’s more than viable.

what?
its viable, but for sure not more.

and its also not a amazing build, its decent
not more…
when we form a team, i dont see a good spot for ranger atm instead of any other profession

ilr.9675:

Bryzy.2719:

I suppose that’s a little reassuring, thanks allie. I’ll go and continue my QQ in the ranger forum ‘cos I’m thinking this isn’t the right thread for that :p

Haha no…. I mean it’s nice to get a response but, that’s a game-wide issue you were right in bringing up, and instead of recognizing it as one… the focus goes immediately back to “sure we’ll tweak a few more things to make this Tournament smoother”.

there is nowhere the right thread…
most of community dont care about rangers, yes most of them even hate the ranger class, because when it have one time a little place (just a “ok we can also take a ranger for our team” place) on tournys, nearly the full community begins with hard whining.

yes beastmaster is a silly build, but this shows how bad designed the ranger is…
rangers need to use a shaman build, nearly every class can do such bunker builds,
but the ranger have a npc who make dmg for him… wow, gg on design for a RANGER, maybe rename it to zookeeper.

and before the last patch nerf for ranger, it was allrdy not hard to play against such shaman ranger builds, when the enemy team have run a bomb engin…

when rangers try to go damage builds, just nothing work.
not condition and also not dps…
i dont whant stupid pew pew builds, but finaly ONE working dps ranger build and ONE working condition dmg build with an other amu then shaman-.-
with working i speak about when a team can say “YES we take a ranger, because he is good in this and this”

atm its like when we see a ranger with longbow: oh freekill, noob ranger
if we see a ranger with longsword: oh freekill, noob ranger

when face a trapper ranger something like 10/30/30/0/0 its also not a dangerous feeling as when i face a bomb engin, this builds run the kittening same amulet and the bomb engin is so much stronger because he can do so much more amazing things-.-

if we see a shaman amu… beastmaster ranger or spirit ranger atm, its:
“oh ok, thats maybe a good ranger player”
but there is in my mind much more better option for 5. player then a ranger atm.

i dont know, but just one look into ranger forum says all…
more then 75% of rangers looks rly not happy on pve, wvw and pvp.

and no, ranger players dont whant reroll, much of the skills are fun to play, but just
the most builds which sounds good in theory, are totaly crap in practise

sry again for offtopic, cant stop write out sadness :P

yes our f1-f4 skills are simply crap…
whould be so easy to make f4 like engi kits to bring pet skills and commends on 12345.
when press again go back to weapon skills.

then they whould be able to make nice f1-f3 skills…
and this skills whould be able to make them
depending on which weapons ranger use

maybe longbow can be something like this
f1: go in stealth, next arrow from high distance make more dmg
f2: next 5 seconds ranger shoot multishoots, 5 arrows
f3: ranger block next melee attack with bow and do a kick

just idea :P

you have ideas.
i write about, when you start with this strong Whirle Defense
other players can easy hit you with there dmg combos.

and this is not a offensive skill, the dmg is joke man.
you seriosly attack ppls with it?
with berzerker stuff, right?

i only see a offhand axe maybe for a bunker spirit ranger or bunker trapper ranger.
to pull ppls with axe 4 into your traps or spirit active skills.
the axe 5 is to block some ranged attacks and then move again, because good players burst you when you stop move, they know in this axe 5 animation you dont dodge and dmg is low.
so you have to interrupt it yourself to dodge next enemy bursts.

its nothing strong/useful when our axe 5 skill have a more long cast time
then the engi reflection shield skill
gw2 is a fast game, there i would prefer the more short cast time on axe 5,
but have something nice like the engi reflection shield skill when i press it again.

good moving and positioning is better then this skill.
offhand dagger is so much better then offhand axe atm, also because we are only ~good in condi builds.

oh and i have forget necros in last post.
because they also not care about this skill…
just cast a fear field to stop this ranger doing this or better dmg him hard.
and in pvp its a teamfight, you cant stay around on node an whire around like a monkey, you will eat so much aoe dmg.

and if this WD whould have rly interesting dmg, it whould also be dangerous to cast.
when i whant cast my guardian staff might stack skill, its always dangerours, because i cant move in this time.
often i eat not less dmg when i do this skill and my positioning is not good (not always so easy vs much aoe dmg on the node)

maybe, for you guys this skill looks so useful on wvw,
because u can stay on the castle and whire around to block ranged attacks, i dont know
but whould be good positioning not better there?

for me axe 5 need some improve.
axe 4 is nice now

i played a bit around with engi last days, trust me, this class can do so much amazing things. ranger looks rly bad against what i can do with engi

i have allrdy raged in this topic…

im totaly sad because ranger not viable again and this till end august.
and for the teletabi rangers who think he is atm rly good. NO HE IS NOT

well something like this i whanted to say.
skilled players dont care about when a ranger is on note and use axe 5 Oo

ele whould updraft it or just dmg him hard when not move
engi whould for sure knock him and then dmg him, oh and he have also blind field :P
or beter, engi bomb him with fire field bombs and much blast finishers into heaven
warrior dont care about
thief also dont care about s/d and d/p ones
bunker guard dont care, maybe bubble him
other ranger use torch 5 on this postion and pet do a good dmg in this time when he not move
mesmer shatter him hard

ranger is not good in eat dmg when dont dodge much
also a bm ranger not
in tpvp fights are rly fast, no time for such a long time not move anmiation
and sure, in my mind it whould be balanced.
and it was just a idea, anet can do what they whant with ranger.
i have the luck to play also guardian.

engi shield reflect projectiles and if press again knocks back and is blast finisher :P
axe 5 reflect projectiles, stack vurnability if a player is stupid enough to stay in it rly long and is a whirle finisher (whirle finisher is rly much more bad then blast finisher)

just compare a bit
bomb engi builds with what can rangers do..

then speak about how op our weapons whould be with some less improves-.-
i stop here, i hate to argue with ppls like you.

you was just not able to write your first answer without try to attack me a bit,
so dont wonder when i write back like this

for use axe 5 atm good its just sad.
because i have to use it when i whant block strong range attacks.
but i cant most time use the full time of this skill and then i have to intterupt it myself by moving.
there need something happen when i press it again in MY MIND

jcbroe.4329:

Prysin.8542:

i dont get why necros are favored over rangers in PVP though. no necro can ever hope to beat a ranger at the same skill level. Unless the ranger is a moron, there is no way it can loose to even a wellomancer.

It isn’t the well build that’s so powerful. People are taking necros for the 30/30/10 build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQNAW7YjMad7hbSb87JEpCPD0jdRXAxoHITwoMA-TsAAzCpI+S9l7LzXyvsfNqYVxeBA

Or a 30/20/10/0/10 build like this one: http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=;044Z;1kHFG0A4oJkJ0;9;4TJ9-904A48-1;32;0EJG4;2hoHAhoHA2Vr

Both builds are extremely strong, and have very simple rotations with enough life force, of going 2,3,5 on the staff, the going into Death Shroud, and going 2,3,5 again. If Dhuumfire is activated during that rotation, the amount of damage output almost outright kills any target without stability that has less than ~16k hp, and if they hit you with spectral wall too, there’s basically nothing you can do but watch yourself die, provided they hit the fears in quick enough succession.

They are also taken for their team support option over rangers. Greater Marks on a Dhuumfire build puts out really strong pressure in team fights, and its completely unblockable. Dhuumfire essentially gives Necros the same type of output that rangers would have if rangers could instantly throw traps 1200 range.

Those builds for necro have really knocked rangers and engineers almost completely out of the meta, especially with rangers and engineers subsequent nerfs. A very specialized and skilled engineer still has a chance (Teldo), but rangers, if anything, are being taken either just to sit on back point, or to run the rabid Spirit build that gives added support in team fights, and then roam/point hold as necessary (which isn’t necessarily unique, and is doing the same thing that Teldo does on his Engi basically with less CC).

exactly this, cant write it better.
only what i can say, engin kicked ranger allrdy out of tounrys.
necro was not need to do this, but yes, he also whould do this if engin not allrdy
have done it.

kk pro
visit me in pvp with your offhand axe
i show u how good your axe 5 is :P
the pull is nice now, the 5 is meeh

waste a knock as engi? seriously?
if ranger dont move its rly usefull to knock him and then dmg him hard.
yes sure thats waste, engi have so less knocks.
when a ranger use this rly good axe 5 skill hes not
move, rly easy target there.

dont know, maybe you can say me against which build axe 5 is rly useful?
and i speak about, against which good player
not low skill

and whats a bad idea on give it a blast finisher?
is ranger atm so strong that he needs not some buffs for some not much used weapons?

i have say this weapon should whirle like always on 5 and when i press 5 again, BECUAUSE most time such a skill need to be used fast for block some skills and then move again.
not for staying stupid around on a point for become easy target.
with this change it whould be able to block a strong range attack, then press again for blast finisher in healing spring and then move again.
oh and this is exactly what engin can do, is it then op?

for stack vurnability good players are not stupid enough vs skills where a player dont move and axe 5 dmg is joke, also when i have berserker amu.
and THEN its a rly bad idea to dont move when use such a skill with dps builds

good music on last one :P

ohh nooooo

well but whats going on when the engi is not a kitten?
just run to you and use one of his much knock backs :P

this whirle finisher is also less good as you think.
engi have much better offhand skills on shield then this axe

for me, axe 5 should have blast finisher to heal up when use it in the healing spring.
engi shield can also reflect projectiles and then use it again for a blast finisher, so it whould just be fair

dont know, but only not good players whould keep shooting when a ranger use the full time of axe 5 animation.

ok i can give you my mind about this, maybe it helps

bur first, it depends on how you whant play.
your build looks like you whant go offensive trapper.

so you can go rabit or carrion amulet.

if you go rabit amu, its the pew pew way: (crit)
shortbow with earth sigil
sword/torch
needs rly fast gampelay, because you are rly glass canon with this,
condition become a huge problem because the high armor dont help u there.

if you go carrion amulet (no crit)
you can do axe/toch and sword/dagger
or also shortbow and sword/torch,
but there its more hard to bring bleeding on enemeys

for me, i have always prefer the carrion amu on tournys
because as trapper ranger i was first target and with this amu i have surive more easy then with rabit.
i have play axe/torch and sword/dagger,
3 trapps.
for me it worked rly good, it was nice dmg
and good survive when eles and thiefs was going for me,
because rly much dodges and sword 2 is best skill ingame :P
each weaponset with energy sigil.

but this was tourny and trapper have only work rly good some month after release when nearly nobody was use rangers on tournys, because there was the time of “oh ranger, freekill” nearly every one have think this.
but well skill lvl was much more low at this time.

agree for more rotation, but never,
pls never give spirit watch back.
also skyhammer not for tournys atm…

give us good old 3 maps paid tournys with gems back.
it was good old times…
and let peoples spectater such tournys.

the actual system can stay for free tournys.

what happens with this fail double account ladder then?
i dont care…

ranger rez spirit dont rez sometimes in pvp-.-
i think its because trait spirits unbound.

if i run without this trait with my bm ranger i can summon spirit fast and rez fast
if i run spirit master ranger i summon spirit fast, it moves a bit, in this time i press rez rly fast and nothing happen, but rez is on full cooldown Oo

thats rly bad, when i whant rez my team mates atm…

well hate goes back, first it happen to bm ranger without reason, now it comes to necros and engins.
better ppls start like all classes :P

but well. you have to agree, necro is atm a bit to strong, so decent nerfs are rly need and come, just watch sotg.
it have a reason why much ppls have start play necro now and not less friendlist teams are rly good with 2 necros in team.

our bm ranger is now also a necromacer player, and on 2. day playing this he was allrdy a rly decent player with this Oo
just wonder a bit there.

i think necromancer will stay rly good after next patch.
but atm hes just a bit op.

axe 5 should be blast finisher when activate again and knock back :/

a good necro eats a good bm ranger atm…
you can do nothing against the massive fear + burst condi, yes it feels like burst but is condi…

you can win, but its much random, because you have to doge the fears,
but much animations looks exactly same on necro…
so tactic vs necro, random dodge like hell when you see some animations.
you can win him, when he start fight on point, because he whant a decap,
but not when he play for killing you.

much rangers have reroll to spirit ranger bunker now, its strong on 1vs1.
maybe you win necro more easy with this, because you have so much burning with this build.
for myself i prefer the old bm ranger more,
but well, im not sure whats better, bm or spirit bunker, i have leave my ranger after patch, but i was feel same strong with both builds, spirit whould be amazing for teamfights if they dont die so fast…
for me bunker guardian is better :P

bm ranger is just not strong for the meta atm on tpvp…
it was also not sooo good as every one was think before the nerf.

and i sadly whant play a dps ranger, i like how the ranger feels in smite.
maybe any one know this game :P

on tpvp its 5vs5 and most teams have 1 holder, 1 with good node controll and 3 damage dealer.
a setup for tpvp whould something like
holder (guardian)
node controll and dmg (bomb engi)
dmg dealers (ele, mes, necro)

so there are also always 3 dmg dealers in a team. this builds whould for sure also work on pve, because this 3 players dont play holders, they play roamer.
and i also whant any working dmg condi or dps ranger build for pvp,
which is good on teamfights not for holding like bm rangers. such a build whould also work on dungeons or wvw then.

and i know that rangers on pve are massive unhappy, but its the same on tpvp.
i whant to see them in both places go more useful.

we just have bunker build and thats not fun when i whant go a damge ranger
and not any build i try works fine.
its always to less dmg and to less survive.
there are not much rangers at high rank pvp and there is a reason.

yes the zookeeper still win nearly each 1vs1.
thats because ranger is only strong in 1vs1, but gw2 is in tpvp a 5vs5 game.
for dungeons should be nearly same 5 team mates vs mobs

dont see a rly useful bm ranger there.
in tpvp the engi and necro take the slot from bm ranger rly much more useful.

dont understand why pvp balance should be a problem on pve balance

at same time i rly dont whant that pve limit my pvp experience.
and if we are speak truth, pve is rly not hard to play, its more because fun? Oo

and i think the improves the ranger rly hard need for pvp, whould be also rly good on pve.

the pet nerf was the most big fail, done just because the much kitten qq of other players, bm ranger was never op in a tpvp team.
it was well balanced for the tpvp play.

we have same joke atm at necro, much qq have make him totaly op, we see 2 necros in much teams for the win… oh and not see much rangers running around atm…

when i speak with good ranger players about ranger on pvp, nobody sounds rly happy.
i have speak a bit with 2 rly strong rangers on eu…
both sounds not rly happy about whats going on with rangers atm…
the spirit rez seems also rly buged, because it just dont rez much time after summon it when we press the rez fast.
i think the spirits follow you trait is the reason here Oo

ranger dps gampelay just feels soooo slow and bad, weapon skills are reason.
and less self skill use. also pet is huge problem, because ranger only is for bunker atm.

when i go ele or thief in pvp its so more fast and rly strong hurting bursts.
at ele because much skills, at thief because nice weapon skills but same less skills like ranger.

with thief i port out after burst and also dodge much like ranger.
with ele i safe myself with updraft, ports, knocks, blinds, earth armor and water skills (freeze, heal, armor) and and and…

dont know how anet should give us a strong dps ranger.
the mesmer also hurts much more and survive better then a dps ranger on melee or range.

for me ranger mechanic is lost, thats because im back on my guardian.
when ranger was viable, it was just a stupid bunker build, nearly every class can play this way,
but for them dont the pet have make dmg…

Unholy Pillager.3791:

Terkov.4138:

I don’t want to defend them too much, but what do you want? If they come here and say they are working on ranger, ppl are unhappy (for obvious reasons). They can’t come and say what they will change in next update. So why bother? They can aswell just don’t post anything, and it will at least make less ppl answer here, so they have easier job watching forum.

I want them to come out and say what they think is wrong with the ranger, I want them to listen to what we think is wrong with the ranger, and I want them to tell us what they plan to do to fix it. The ranger profession has been dysfunctional and clumsy since release, and their attempts to fix that have been unsuccessful. At this point, I think they should get input from the ranger player base regarding any changes they plan to make, because their closemouthed secrecy has only made things worse. They have lost the trust of many ranger players, including myself, and they would have a much better chance trying to earn it back if they started being open and honest for a change.

Besides, they said that ranger is the profession most in need of fixing, and then they come out with nerfs across the board. Then, they try to justify the SB range nerf using one of the most egregious abuses of logic I’ve ever seen, and refuse to explain the pet nerfs.

this…
we rangers are rly mad atm, they should know this and start answer here.
they have start answer much topics in spvp forum now, thats nice.
but they should rly visit ranger forum. i mean just look at page one here…
nobody is happy and that have a huge reason

i think just add a new pet is not enough.

ranger whould need a huge trait rework, skill rework und weapon skill rework.
just compare a condi build ranger with a condi build engi or a dps ranger build with any dps build…

engi and ele shine in much more skills viable, blast finishers knocks huge dmg and can do nearly everything…
at ranger like you have say, not much staby, knocks and just pew pew and pet…
he just can do… dmg with his pet and a bit with condi weapons, but long not like engi or necro atm

for me the most important way whould be, make longbow ranger gameplay like thief gameplay but range one.
a melee dps ranger have to to be like elem and that whould need much much more self skill use, maybe pet skills, but they have to hit less random then.

i think ranger need a full longbow overhaul
offhand axe 5 buff (maybe if press again knock and combofinisher, like engi shield)
a longsword overhaul
sword auto attack rework
shortbow just a bit improves

if done this, they have to look builds dont put points in beastmastery.
best whould be no pet then, but this whould never happen.
here i agree you, there need to be pets like you have say, but the full dmg need go to ranger and the pet have 0 dmg, just heal and buff skills.

it have a reason why only bunker rangers work atm on pvp.
because its a survive class with much evade and regen, he can do not more.
and btw nearly every class can go this way.
but a dmg ranger in condi or dps dont work and it will never work if anet dont use MUCH time for rangers to look over the full mechanic…

sry for bad engl. also i hope i have understand ur post right :P

i like this idea.
maybe it also should have a dodge when leap/roll.
then doing the effect for a time
and what whould be rly nice,
when press 5 again (like engi shield) there should be knock back blast finisher effect or something.
no this whould be not op, engi can do so much more then rangers

wow the hairs from summourns and Murkes post are amazing Oo
PLS do them!

longbow buff would be not enough… but a good start

ranger need a rly huge overhaul…
just make new longbow skills will not make him viable enough,
becuase in my mind, it have to be same strong like elem or thief
when i go dps ranger.
but to become same strong like any dps class it need trait reworks and some new f1-f4 skills or self pet controll…
but at self pet controll, much pets whould need total rework.

it makes me so sad when i compare a ranger condi dmg build with an engi condi dmg build.
or compare any dps ranger build with any dps build of an other class-.-
just bad joke anet, rly. thankts to my pet which dies instant if i go not bm points.
yes thats also happens in pvp teamfights…

ranger is in same bad situation like warrior in pvp atm -.-
and in pve its like no way to help him.

anet should start spend time into ranger, we also have pay for the game, just have make the misstake to create a ranger…
gameplay feels good, but strengh feels much to low

i dont speak here about bm ranger or any bunker zookeeper…
i just whant one RANGER build

JonathanSharp.7094:

Age restrictions: The reason for the 18 is due to travel/hotel requirements.

For regions: we hope to expand those as we go forward with future tournaments.

More details: There will be additional details/rules coming in the near future, as mentioned in the last section of the announcement.

Balance: We are being VERY careful w/ balance between now and the tournament so you guys don’t have builds changing every patch. This is why we did the larger balance patch last month – we wanted to do smaller and smaller changes as we get closer to the tourney. We know there is a perception that a few things are too strong right now, so we’ll be looking at those between now and the tourney.

offtopic:
BALANCE

this post makes me sad…
do something for WARRIORS and RANGERS… pls
its not a news that this 2 not rly have a spot in good pvp teams -.-

compare your still viable trapper ranger with a bomb engi…
just do it. i whant no engi nerf at this, but ranger is still crap if its not bunker…

ranger condi dmg < engin condi dmg
ranger combo fields and blast finishers < engin combo fields and blast finishers
ranger knocks and immobilizes < engin knocks and immobilizes
ranger combofield water < engin combofield water (i speak about dmg condi builds)
ranger evade > engi evade but
ranger surive < engi survive (trapper ranger vs bomb engi)
ranger team rez < engi team rez (elixier and still so much skills viable, ranger ulti)

and you guys rly think trapper ranger is viable?! seriously?..
a engi will always be better then ranger just because much much more useful skills and still more dmg, rez elixier, nice ulti, knocks, so much combofields, stealth
good rez and stomp support Oo
well, again, i dont whant engi nerf, but how should trapper be viable there?!

to any kind of dps ranger…
compare dps ranger with dps elem:
ranger dps/burst < ele dps/burst
ranger heal < ele heal
ranger knocks/immobilize < ele knocks/immoblize
ranger evade > ele evade but
ranger survive < ele survive

and here also like engi vs ranger, just because so much more useful amazing skills..
and why anet think its to much for us stupid ranger players if we whould be able to controll pet skills?!
i mean, ele and engi have so MUCH skills

so devs, tell me how make ranger interesting for a team…
just the bunker bm/spirit ranger is a bit viable, but he is also so useless on teamfight, he can just bunker around… spirits say fast bye bye on teamfights…
i dont see much ranger anymore on high ranked pvp and i was sure it will come to this point again… ranger is something like the new beginner class in gw games i think.

and forget your stupid be all the time verry careful.
some classes need rly much changes -.-
do the longbow changes with next patch, im rly mad as ranger, just able to play my bunker guardian again.

we dont esports-.-

so now, a warrior player, pls sing me the same song…

raged enough,
gl and hf on tournamet teams

hope dies last…
but well, with this post of dev its sure.
with next patch for ranger nothing will happen.

the longbow improve is for sure not in, but at other side.
they dont have to be frightened about a dps ranger or any kind of ranger on pvp atm :P

i think next patch is rly small one. not much hope for ranger there

atm just engi and necro can do so much more better on condi
and ele/thief/mes can do so much better on dps then a ranger at pvp

edit: well last balance patch was also rly small one..