Guild Wars 2

yes thats true, with our must have traitline we get at least a low protection uptime which is up on the moment i don’t need it much times after i dodged something important.
but of course nice to heave and useful in some situations.

at least i just wanted to say the nerf of the endurance regeneration from 50% to 25% was never need.
this nerf just give no reason for a profession like ranger.
but on professions like elementalist they stay with 50% endurance regeneration.

the access to vigor on ranger is also not so huge like on much other professions.
so ranger don’t have so much more dodge then the rest if you compare
and in the same time thats the only survive mechanic of this profession.

if you look on longbow/longsword rangers they have even less dodges then an d/d elementalist but not this amazing heals and mobility.

not as great in pvp if you want to become serious.
ele, warrior, thief just overshine it so hard at the moment.

bad in pve since not much aoe and the pet.

and also not great in wvw compared to the rest.

at least it’s still the most funny to play profession for me, because of dodge mechanic in this game.
but if i’m tired after working, i just go hambow warrior and have much more easy gameplay then with any kind of ranger atm.

so it’s really good for me to have professions like warrior in this game.
they are created for peoples to play after a long working day and be still successful.

anet devs are useless idiots if there is problems with ranger.
just remember how long it tooks them to fix the pet rez bug,
where the pet just don’t started to rez.
that was really funny to press this button and have a 50/50% chance that it will happen or not.

with spirit its better,
it happens to ~90% at least, but this bug affect not only the rez spirit, its on all of them and can make you really mad if the spirits just do nothing but go to cooldown.

would be nice to have an option to choose between classic conquest mode and
some conquest mode with options like every team can ban one profession, so two professions are banned for a match.

would also show to anet which professions peoples actually hate most to fight, because i heard something like “we want all professions be fun to play and fun to fight against”

well at least there was never a meta without thief, because it’s a verry powerful profession in tpvp and a must heave in a team to be successful, alone because of the mobility.

so of course thief hold some other power builds on different professions back to go into the meta, just because thief easy kill them in 1vs1 and after that, thief still have the best mobility and stealth.

so there is not much chance for professions which want to use power builds but can’t bring this huge mobility.

much thiefs builds just free kill power builds like
power engin, power ranger and “mesmer if the other team don’t heave a thief aswell”

alone in the meta it happens realy often that a thief just go far, take the decap and is still able to 1vs1 really long to hold this point decaped.
if he is about losing this 1vs1 or even a second have to come, the thief just can easy disengage.

so a team with a thief heave always the better win chance then a team without a thief.
if both teams heave a thief, the team with the better thief have a good chance to lead the match.

(actually the thief damage feels redicolous to huge after the “balance” patch for me
because it’s really hard to cath them as long the thief in your team don’t do it)

hunterkiller.5419:

Ranger:
Recent fixes have been reducing survivability and the amount of vigor, why? Isn’t rangers are meant to be the class that is built for timing and reactive gameplay? I’d like to know please.
Considering that the main niche are pets, why isn’t traits changed or rearranged to better suit the class, and why are some traits seem to be useless, like the one that drops a healing spring when down/death? I’ve noticed that pets cannot catch up to other players even after traited, why not have more weapon skills that give immobilize or buff the speed so the pets could become useful?
(also, I’ve noticed once immobilized, the character cannot dodge roll and there are classes that deal a lot of immob, this is painful for a class that only have ‘lightning reflexes’ as the only reliable form of breaking free)

you have really good points there, and yes that’s how ranger should work or get reworked.

first the vigor nerf is still one really big fail anet did in my eyes, there was ZERO reasons to nerf it from 50% to 25%.
but they did it because peoples like to whine about the to much dodge in this game.
anet should buff this trait back to 50% at least, ranger have to dodge WELL in the right time, even with 50% vigor regeneration a ranger was not able to random spam dodge like a s/d thief can do.
so this nerf was just again a nerf for all ranger builds which don’t want to use sword/dagger, so you have to run this weapons to survive pretty well when you get target.

about the pet you’re also right, there is 50% traits completely useless much of them are pet based ones.
there is still much place to rework them and create better traits work well toghether with the pet.
for example a trait which let the pet do something useful when you use a skill/slot skill.
a example would be you leap and with this trait the pet also do somethin if you use the sword leap, like a special attack depends on the pet.
there would be so much place to make pets amazing, other mmorpgs did it, but in guild wars 2 it’s a stupid npc with some nice f2 and random immobilize/knock after you swap them.

the last point about immobilze is for ranger of course also a problem, because you don’t have blinks to go out, but i think rangers can still deal really good vs immobilize as long you rund sword/dagger or lighning reflexes, so you have good skills to deal with immobilize.

after the last fail ready up i don’t have much hope any more.
really short speaking time about ranger, no word about the ranger cdi,
at all they just sayed nothing.

i will bump this topic again,
since ranger is still in a bad spot after this amazing patch and it’s the most fun one to play for me (still)

but it starts to makes zero fun when,
eles, s/d thiefs and warriors faceroll rangers with strengh runes, even when the player behind them is not really good.

and it’s also interesting how easy it becomes for me to kill other rangers if i reroll to those professions!

(thought ele need so much skill and ranger players are to stupid to play eles,
since ranger players can’t handle much buttons like more pet controll. hmm heared something like this from some devs)

edit:
it’s time to start the old state of the games again where you can ask skilled players.

this ready up is a complete fail, devs with no brain ask the forum for fast answers.
that was a complete time waste to watch this ready up,
since devs just repeat what the forum answered them.

when peoples would say thief is the best teamfight support bunker they would even repeat this…

still don’t see ranger in a good spot after the last patch.

just saying

what?!
staff ele is completely fine.
we also used staff ele in the tol tourny for our close point and it was so good.

with celestial and parrot runes it’s so strong actually.
good mobility to defend the close,
really good sustain in 1vs1 or 2vs1 situations for a long time,
such a nice team heal and also a decent damage and at least
some really useful interrupts and knocks.

staff ele for closepoint is just amazing.
it’s usefall as d/d ele, no reason to cry on this build at the moment, seriously.

reinstall the game, so so.
we are done

Inscrutable.8347:

The Tweetymetala has spoken!

This is what happens you play Ranger too much the passive-active peek a boo playstyle turns you into… this.

of course the kitten answer first

go play with yourself
i’m pretty sure you don’t even know how to pvp newb

Ranger:

Viper’s Nest: Added a skill fact for the maximum number of targets hit (3).

SERIOUSLY ANET?
seriously?!

i mean it doesen’t matter,
but you devs are even more kittened then i thougt.

Lashtail Devourer:

Rending Barbs: Updated the skill fact to properly indicate that this skill hits 6 times instead of 7. Updated the skill fact to display that this skill inflicts 6 stacks of bleeding instead of 1.

WHAT, whaaaat? Oo

are you really stupid, i don’t write that to flame.
i’m just asking myself how can that be possible, you don’t have enough money, is it that?
there must be a reason for this senseless updates.

i think i would love your job really much.
doing nothing but still get money must be great.
your chief must be really kindhearted.

i will send a application, because i want to start work for anet,
i’m sure you get your money each month, but at the same time there is no results.

so i want start to do nothing for anet,
it’s a completele different kind of work of what i do, but i’m sure it doesen’t matter, because i’m sure i don’t have to be good to work here.

at least keep your good work going,
easy mode warrior starts to make fun, even when peoples flame me.
but it’s still better to get flamed instead of getting facerolled from everything as spirit ranger or trapper ranger.
it’s also more fun then my 1vs1 ranger, because i can also tank 2 peoples for a long time but in the same time i deal still much aoe damage and can do amazing knocks to waste there time even more when they try to 2vs1 me, nice nice
i don’t need the much dodges from my ranger weapons, i can handle survive with knock spam and healing signet aswell, it’s just another kind of timing.

Inscrutable,
can you find yourself on this picture?

and are you try something like
go up to the level of the rest there? :P

Svarty.8019:

I know the devs only read this forum, but the balance forum is over there —-> along with the ranger forum.

looks like not even this forum.
still waiting for a statement what the devs will do with the informations from the ranger cdi topic.
i don’t agree with much of them, but it’s what ranger players posted in a topic made to improve the ranger.
would be just fair to get information from anet now, we also wasted our time to post stuff there.

is it supposed to don’t work in the heart of the mists
or is this a bug?

engi elexir gun bleeding 1111111 boooring
warrior sword 11111111 bleeding boooring…

ok ok

edit: sry i forgot the rest of professions with bleed on auto attack without have to flank, my bad

i agree with this topic,
but i think the pet is not the only reason for the bad spot of ranger actually.

maybe anet can finaly start to care about the ranger after 1 year of doing nearly nothing for this profession?
of course it will take time to look on this profession, they did it for warrior, now they can do it for ranger aswell!

there was a ranger cdi topic and some ranger players just wonder to see zero results of it.
poison master don’t count, it’s just a joke to take it into a grandmaster trait and then also in wildnes survival.
pet rework also don’t count, it’s a bug fix should have done after the beta and
it’s still not work well after the last patches.

would be nice to get some informations finaly what is going on.
actually it looks just like this cdis was a bad fool.

about the pet controll,
i would also like to controll the 2 important skills of the pets myself.
of course sometimes my wolf do some amazing random knocks, but i like to time things like this by myself…

i also would prefer to see the cooldown of my passive traits like empathic bond and the stun break in general,
that would give me the chance to take some safe stomps, because i know my passive stun break is still ready or not.
also would safe me for misstakes like using signet of renewal at the wrong moment, because my passive condi remove was ready again.

of course you can do it better boy

Inscrutable.8347:

Oidmetala.8426:

Inscrutable.8347:

Oidmetala.8426:

snips the self-pitying QQ

You are a member of a team. The massive pile of QQ you dropped onto the thread shows how your class envy gets in your own way. Ranger doesn’t scale with huge fights so much, so why isn’t your team rotating to sides as a strategy with your Ranger taking more advantage of that? If you try to hammer a screw into wood, it doesn’t work.

In team fights, Ranger is best off node than on the node, with the easy SB bleeds from almost default flanking bonus is your best way to contribute there. It’s pretty easy to stack 15 to 20 bleeds in teamfights if you have lynx

I don’t care to compete in this game anymore because there is no incentive to except beating your chest on a game forum that nobody reads in a game that nobody who wants to compete plays. Props to you for loving the game that much, but I really don’t care what the “competitive scene” of this game thinks except for people who have been in the scene since beta, which is like 10 people total.

you just have no idea but want to talk for some reason, that’s all.
be sure, you don’t have to teach me or give me tips about basics how to play the ranger in this game.
i’m 100% sure i know it much better then you…

it’s also really interesting to call my topic a pure QQ, when i simply speak the truth.
or can you make power ranger, trapper ranger viable in high ranked tpvp?
just show me that then, should be not a huge problem?
if not go back to your cave where you come from.

i also main my ranger since beta if that is more important for you then peoples show good player skill in there professions.

if there is no patch for ranger coming in the fute you will not see any team use a ranger without a disadvantage compared to other teams give this 5. spot something else.

Yes because some whiny ranger who thinks he’s good thinks he knows “the truth” when its pretty obvious that you don’t know how to rotate into advantageous situations.

Nowhere in your “analysis” have you mentioned any understanding of the variety of things your pets can do, which is the unique part of playing your class. Do you time your knockdowns from your wolf? Do you have the micro skill to do that?

Do you just eat a bunch of damage on node, or do you know how to kite and buy some more time before your teammates come in and clean up? Do you time your evades and use energy sigil with Settler’s if you are trying to defend nodes, or do you actually expect a Carrion build to be good at both defending nodes and killing people?

I don’t get any impression that you have anything close to resembling mastery of your class.

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/c/4151192
04:10:00
here you can see the whiny noob ranger playing in tol

http://www.twitch.tv/blu42/c/3832982
here you can see the whiny noob ranger playing in an esl vs cheese mode

http://www.twitch.tv/blu42/c/3832982
here you can see the whiny noob ranger playing in an esl vs cheese mode

http://www.twitch.tv/blu42/b/522673007
here you can see the whiny noob ranger playing in an esl vs lunch box and after that vs 55hp monks

there is much more like this where i played together with my team esl in games like this.
before i can’t see your body in something like this i will not take you serious when you talk like this to me about my player skill.
i never said i’m a super unbeatable player, but i have a good knowledge about tactic and how to play my role as ranger or guardian in this game, so i don’t need your opinion about what i do wrong when i play my ranger, you don’t even saw me playing i think.

i’m pretty sure i have much knowlede about this profession after i played it so long now actually.
the state of power rangers and trapper ranger have nothing to do with good positioning and good player skill.
it’s just not possible to be successful with this builds.
in my mind it’s also not any more possible to be successful like other profession builds can be with a spirit ranger build,
at least it’s to high risk and low reward to play with it actually.

90% of the hole ranger profession builds need (some more some less) help and the rest is 1vs1 bunker based builds which also don’t even work super well.

necrid.7615:

I’m using a trapbuild and if u got skills it works fine as teamplayer and also for solo………. be creative??? Uploaded the build on youtube if anyone wants to check it out…….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PBrXwYGkqE

please don’t tell me you activated your skills with mouse there?.. Oo
don’t looks like high competive matches for me there
and this kind of trapper ranger is verry easy to kill, sry but it is.
i don’t have to be creative to create this oldschool trapper build.

at least the start of your youtube video was funny and also the music was nice.

Inscrutable.8347:

Oidmetala.8426:

snips the self-pitying QQ

You are a member of a team. The massive pile of QQ you dropped onto the thread shows how your class envy gets in your own way. Ranger doesn’t scale with huge fights so much, so why isn’t your team rotating to sides as a strategy with your Ranger taking more advantage of that? If you try to hammer a screw into wood, it doesn’t work.

In team fights, Ranger is best off node than on the node, with the easy SB bleeds from almost default flanking bonus is your best way to contribute there. It’s pretty easy to stack 15 to 20 bleeds in teamfights if you have lynx

I don’t care to compete in this game anymore because there is no incentive to except beating your chest on a game forum that nobody reads in a game that nobody who wants to compete plays. Props to you for loving the game that much, but I really don’t care what the “competitive scene” of this game thinks except for people who have been in the scene since beta, which is like 10 people total.

you just have no idea but want to talk for some reason, that’s all.
be sure, you don’t have to teach me or give me tips about basics how to play the ranger in this game.
i’m 100% sure i know it much better then you…

it’s also really interesting to call my topic a pure QQ, when i simply speak the truth.
or can you make power ranger, trapper ranger viable in high ranked tpvp?
just show me that then, should be not a huge problem?
if not go back to your cave where you come from.

i also main my ranger since beta if that is more important for you then peoples show good player skill in there professions.

if there is no patch for ranger coming in the fute you will not see any team use a ranger without a disadvantage compared to other teams give this 5. spot something else.

i also don’t got my chest.
desolution since release and i did all the achievements of course aswell.

@Inscrutable

there we are.
what amazing things bring a ranger to a competive teamfight exept of the spirit build
which get really hard in troubles when a d/d elementalist or s/d thief decide to go for him at the teamfights?
even if you don’t get a early target you are just here in this teamfight with low single target damage still.
compared to everything what can use strengh runes and do high aoe damage
actually it’s not worth any more.
the only realy good thing is still the rez spirit, but alone the healing range is just a joke of it, you have to stay really close to your team mates if you want to give them this heal aswell and to interrupt this rez spirit should be not a huge problem at the moment.

i don’ know how you can talk here like a super experienced player,
i never saw you in any match and don’t even know you as experienced player.

it’s just interesting how easy you blame the ranger players,
(looks like even the good ones) that they don’t play there profession well enough and just got carryed in the past by it, but you do it, right?

it should be verry easy to agree that
trapper ranger is much to weak actually,
every power based build is much to weak actually,
longbow and longsword are bad designed,
shouts are all complete crap,
and at least spirit ranger got just to much nerfs in the pasts, you have to play super perfect now and every fail leads to a fast death. just low reward for high risk actually…
(a team just have 5 places, so why not take a staff ele or d/d ele instead)

btw you saw 55hp monks use there ranger at the last esl? no.
good old ranger players like kanscout, konrad quest and battosai even left the game much earlier.
i also don’t see azron playing a lot ranger last times.
and at least i also don’t want to play ranger in serious games any more after this patch,
the risk/reward is just to low to take a ranger at the moment, maybe if a team have 6 open spots…but not even then.
the still “strong” 1vs1 based ranger builds are not worth to go into a team in my mind, they bring nothing exept of being ~strong in 1vs1, but there is enough other profeesion builds to overshine this on a 1vs1.

i just wonder how perfectly fine the ranger should be in the moment…
for all this super pros answer here they are complete fine with ranger and the rest is just to bad skilled players.
please show me that in some next esl game, or i just can’t take much points serious.

about this:
“I say a bit because most of the best competitive minds of the game are gone”

nope there was/is still really good players in eu, this argument about there is no more good players is just a joke.
the gameplay even improved compared to the past.

cheese mode was a verry good team
55hp monks was/is a verry good team
tcg is a verry good team
and our team esl was also a good team in my mind!

the old competive players was not super hard better then the actual good players.
just watch some old replays of games in the past and compare them with the actual ones.
peoples play really different now, i would say better then in the past.

edit: there is not much decap engis in higher ranked tpvp because it’s not so hard to counter it, like you say.
engi is not the problem for rangers actually.

creature is actually a good ranger and i’m pretty sure he know why he complain like this.
so i will backup his post, because i completely agree with him on this points.

i had some good and hard 1vs1 situations against him, so i think he don’t have l2p issues by saying that.
there is only a handful rangers in this game fighting well like he is doing it.

at least, if you read the skill descriptions of ranger, then this profession have much good things.
but if you go to practice with this builds just sounds so good it’s nearly always complete trash.
walked often enough into this trap of ranger builds just sounds good.

there is still so much things don’t even feel smoth on this profession,
like longbow, longsword and offhand axe.
and anet seriously nerfed offhand axe with the last patch… they must have much clue.

yes still a old bug…
this also happens to all spirits

• S:
  Warrior
  Elementalist
  Thief

• A:
  =Guardian
  =Mesmer
  -Necro
  -Engineer

• B
  -Ranger

is it possible that quick shot on shortbow is buged or changed?

if i use it when i run away from a enemy,
this skill let me run after i used it to the wrong way for a short time,
means to the enemys position instead of away from the enemy.

so actually this skill stops me from running successfully away,
i’m pretty sure it worked better before the patch, because i used this skill
much times to run faster from far point to mid point for example when there was still a downed enemy.
but now i run to the wrong way for a short time after i use this skill when running away.

and since i have to run away much much times now with my ranger i need this skill to work fine again.

bump, still waiting for a dev to waste his 5 minutes of life to enter here and answer something (serious post, since devs are the bigest trolls sometimes actually).
looks like i’m possible to write something into the forum still after 11 hours work, really hard to do something like this, you agree me gw2 devs?

it’s not a big secret that nearly all ranger builds are actually really bad in
the higher ranked place of tpvp.
ahead of all this funny storys,

• trapper ranger actually is complete useless and really weak, the reasons of this are pointed out on this topic really well allready, just one guy still think it’s amazing.

• you can’t do a amazing job with power ranger exept of holding the record of the most easy to kill build in this game actually. there is a reason why everyboy laugh if they see power rangers in tpvp.

• the last viable build “spirit ranger” is also useless now, since it got so manny nerfs by buffing everything other in the same time
  i also still don’t understand the vigor nerf from 50 to 25 which affected all ranger builds.
  but some other professions can still have 50% vigor regeneration and they are “caster” professions with access to ports aswell

• beastmaster ranger and any kind of 1vs1 based ranger is okay, but not good since we have elementalists and warriors for this job.
  at least it’s the last decent working builds…

thanks for sending the rewards <3

now it’s time to choose one of this good looking phoenix weapons :P

the 3 new faces are just a reskin,
but i like them, so i will choose one of them.
good work here

i just wonder why i don’t see all this storys some peoples tell here in
top teams happen and also not in esl games, tol tourny or even in the top ~50 leaderboard games in eu.

i can also start telling oh i beat everything with trapper ranger, power ranger or even some builds i just try around.
what i actually do alot, since nearly all stoped playing pvp after the tol tournament.
but the people i can beat with trapper ranger or power ranger i can also beat with everything, because the player skill difference.

so ofc it is possible, but only if my ranger player skill is much better then the enemy players skill on his profession.
if its equal it happens realy often that the ranger get downed over time (outsustained).

at least, yes the 1vs1 bunker ranger is still good and can win much 1vs1 of course.
but there is no real reason to take this kind of ranger instead of a staff ele or d/d ele as backpoint player, a 1vs1 based warrior overshine it anyways hard still.

i tryed some 1vs1 based ranger builds vs a verry good staff elem and i just was not able to down him. it gets even dangerous to stay all the time on point if the ele know what he have to do.
so in my mind a staff ele is always the better chose actually then a backpoint ranger.

more mobility
more team support, heal
aoe damage and good assist.

with a 1vs1 based ranger you can follow your enemys with axe, torch, sword, dagger like a kitten, deal single target damage and get some aoes in this time you chase a guy by doing not as much damage.
a 1vs1 ranger is not a huge help if you want to win a teamfight.

and then, when it comes to the point that you have to do your backpoint job and leave the teamfight fast, you get outruned because the mobility is a bit to low to be fast enough back on your point.
or you choose the option to stay near to your point and be nearly completely useless in the teamfight, shortbow is anyways really low damage without sun spirit.

dont understand me wrong, i dont say ranger is complete crap atm,
but in my mind it’s in the worst position compered to the other professions at the moment.
its like the ele before the patch, it can be decent, but compered to other builds/professions not worth to take into a team.

edit:
but it looks again like it’s just not working to speak about balance in a forum, because there is a huge skill difference betweed some peoples complain.
but also much peoples really think they are playing like gods by never played a esl, in the tol or in the top rank of leaderboard,
means never faced much high skilled players or even know how to play a organized team pvp match… Oo

ok prysin, forget it.
go to page 1 and read the second post there, from Keksmuffin.1450
(a verry skilled offguardian player btw)

should be enough

Prysin.8542:

Oidmetala.8426:

ok, please stop the troll now…

you haven’t played a trapper before, have you? Kinda obvious.

in 4 months of PvP, iv’e only seen ONE other trapper, even in random YoloQ

i played everything and tryed everything on ranger,
also just because i play this profession since beta.

i tryed much around after the last patch and i also tryed trapper, its simply not viable.
don’t even need to waste time to complain…

i played really much games on my ranger with trapper btw.
it was long viable after the release, if you know that and it was also the reason why i startet to play ranger, because it was fun, but actually its just not strong

Prysin.8542:

well let me ask you then Jekkt;
Have you played trapper ranger? Have you played against it?

It is a non-meta build that will implode anything that steps onto a point. It is a simple “i own this piece of land” build. Bunker guards, hambows, 222 thieves, p/d thieves, PU mesmers, AR decap engis, power necro, condi necro, BM bunker – Anything melts to that build. It does not care if you got 10 cleanses, because you will burn all 10 within 7 seconds, 7 seconds later and your traps are coming off cooldown again.

Liza.2758:

lol so much blablabla in this one.

Ppl plays or used to play spirit ranger because group support / buffs.

dont just judge thing on your solo Q games

in EU i play yoloQ, in NA i only played teamQ with guildies. Since you’re from stackgate, you may have heard of this guild, it’s called TORK…. it tends to steal your stuff in EBG….

ok, please stop the troll now…

huh, so much posts, even from good players i know in a ranger topic and nearly no flame against this profession.
i’m positive surprised.
i never thought there is still peoples interested in this profession and give serious answers in a ranger topic.

now, maybe a dev can spend only 5 minutes to give a statement to a ranger topic in the first time of history?
there was a cdi topic and some peoples wait for results of it, the pet changes really dont count, that’s a bug fix which should have done after release allready.
at least some informations would be verry nice… china release can’t be a serious reason to completely ignore the community actually.

about pet controll.
well at least you can only controll 1 active and the second just happens after you swap the pet.
but that’s all not 100% controll, even the actives are not always 100% controll if you want to react fast to something.
for example some pet knocks, it would be so nice to controll them and time them by yourself. i would also prefer to use at least 2 of the important pet skills by myself.

@Nary Why Irk
i don’t really like it if you take a picture with a part of our chat after you whisper me ingame into the forum. you also would not like to see it if from someone Oo

at the end i want to thanks prysin for this nice show of how good he is with ranger.
so i ask you prysin, do you want to play the ranger for us if we form a new team,
because it looks like you are a god ranger and can beat everything with verry interesting ranger builds.
or can you give me a stream, seems like i have still to learn verry much.

balance team, devs
where are you, still alive?

i know the interest for thie profession is generaly nearly zero in this game.
but some peoples have chose this profession as there main.

actually i can’t even go pve or wvw with ranger, because it’s even more useless there then in pvp.
i even get kicked from pve groups for some mysterious reasons, before i can say “hi”
that is really interesting.

Allie.9268:

Prysin.8542, You might not refer to Skyhammer, but others in this thread do.

Dhuumfire actually had a change made before the “nerf into oblivion”, specifically as a result of player feedback.

Downed mechanics have been updated periodically.

Modes – they’re experimenting with the new map in custom arenas, as well had a CDI after seeing player feedback.

Rangers – the responsiveness to pets alone was a big change for Rangers. One that players requested as well.

The changes I listed above are a tiny fraction of all the things ArenaNet has done in response to player feedback.

Do you feel it is reasonable to consult the playerbase on every single change they make in the game? Do you think it’s reasonable for them to talk to you guys about every change that is made or will be made? Honestly, when would they have the time to actually develop the game if they were doing all that?

Whether or not the balance of dev to player interaction is at a healthy state right now, saying ArenaNet ignores player feedback is factually wrong.

sry, but as ranger i can say to you.
the pet changes just dont count.
its just a bug fix…
and wolf fear still dont work like i would like to see it.
the wolf FIRST run to the target and then it does the fear,
sometimes that is still a problem if i want a fear on my position because there is a stealthed enemy for example.

where is the rest?

a t s e.9614:

Spirit ranger is powerful for a Single Button spec.

for some reason i see your name in nearly all topics
and most time it’s not even useful…

but maybe say it like this, the one spam on shortbow shows really good how bad they designed some ranger weopons, because it’s the only main damage source on the shortbow and that also only if you have a sun spirit up, without sun spirit the shortbow is really weak.

but at least the argument that a ranger only have to one spam is just not true, you can’t do it with spirit ranger in high rank games.
you have to time poison, use the shortbow 4 to get bleeds from your pet aswell, use your dodge on shortbow and use your interrupt at right time, simple basics.
so you can ofc time your attacks, even as spirit ranger with shorbow.
and after that you have to watch enemy animitaions like from warriors (look like that is your main high skill profession) verry well to dont die fast.

the one spam on shortbow ranger is same like on gs mesmer for example.
everybody just complain about it because it’s fast and have this sound everybody hate.

but at least it have not a huge damage and only bleed if you flank.
there is weapons like elexier gun on engi much more effective btw.

at least i dont created this topic to ask for a spirit ranger buff only
which is ofc also needed after this rune/amu changes and much nerfs on spirits but buff on other professions at the same time.

i more ask to make different kinds of ranger viable.
there i speak about builds use skills and traits which are completely useless atm, for example shouts or traps

and weapons like longbow and longsword.

i still like to play my ranger, but seriously,
it’s the worst profession right now in this game, again.
spirit ranger is just really weak now and the rest of builds
are not even worth to point out.

there is two options for a ranger right now.
teamfighter as spirit ranger or backpoint as a 1v1 based ranger

but why a team should take a low single target damage profession for teamfights like ranger now.
the stone and sun spirit is it not worth any more
and to get a rez with the elite spirit is actually also more luck then timing.
its totaly easy to kill it fast or just interrupt it.
the healing range of this skill is also really low.

then there is the option to take a backpoint ranger,
but it’s also not really worth to take it, because the mobility is not huge enough and even if you can get back fast enough,
you can’t win all 1vs1 against every professions still, even if you do well.
so this kind of ranger is also not worth to take into a team, because it brings nearly nothing for teamfights.
you can put this kind of ranger afk to close or midpoint

i know this forum still think “spirit ranger is so lame and op” and ranger is okay or in a good space.

but i’m sure, ranger is in a really bad position right now.

i played the ranger profession for so long now in the high ranked area of this game to know
when i die to something i did a mistake or it was just a unfair matchup,

but actually it feels nearly against everything i fight like a unfair matchup, i lose with spirit ranger actually to nearly every professions and i dont even can say what was my mistake, because i did nearly everything right in this fights i lose for some reason.

i would prefer to hear something from a dev finaly,
they work or improve the ranger profession finaly or not,
because this profession need actually the most rework.

i played some d/d ele and hambow warrior games in soloq the last days
and i feel instantly much more useful with them as with a spirit ranger.
at least i just win more soloq matches by playing this two professions then with my ranger.
and i can’t tell how much mistakes i still do when i run this specs, but seems like its enough to be more effective then with my ranger where i have much more practice and feel much more safe with.

ok np, nerf ranger in downed 1vs1 situations.
that’s anyways rare.

but then give me maybe mistform, stealth or port.
much better and decide teamfights much more then the ranger down state.

still waiting for 800 gems from a second place in an esl played over ~1 month ago….
(anet your turn, thanks to let us still wait)

got our 50 euro from the first place in 6vs6 tournament 2 days ago,
after 2 month waiting and much e-mails, great!

and we get our place 3 legends tourny gift also “soon”?

i like to play esl games in this game…

ok if this vote is about “which profession is totaly op”
then it looks like much idiots use this vote aswell.

spirit ranger on second place, that is just a bit interesting.
nearly every profession can faceroll a spirit ranger in a 1vs1 atm
(if played from a bit decent player, not from most forum talkers)
if you lose 1vs1 vs spirit rangers on a conquest point you must be kittening bad or you play something what is just not supposed to go 1vs1 situations.

i want see some guys play a spirit ranger in the higher ranked games.
maybe some would stop talking about spirit ranger have easy mode.

but maybe some guys just mean with “broken” that the ranger is one of the worst professions atm and its time to help this profession in the most builds, even spirit atm.
(warrior axe f1, a d/d ele, pistol whip thief or mesmer on you and elite spirit is death in 5 sec, thanks to some nice runes atm)

but yes, ofc you can spam 1 in your ladder rank 1000 or in hot join, but then better don’t post something about balance in this game, because you can go easy mode with everything there.

warrior and d/d ele is the most dangerous builds atm.
and d/d ele is last in the vote because nobody can say something bad about ele in this forum any more?

the d/d ele build is not so hard to play, aswell.
i have not much warrior and also not as much ele games, but i just started playing them and i’m instantly useful in soloq and ofc hotjoins, it feels smooth to play and i allready faceroll spirit rangers with them by still doing much mistakes when i play this professions, because i don’t have so much practice with them now.

there is a difference between playing a profession like warrior or d/d ele
and go offensive by trying to use the damage skills at the right time
and
professions like ranger which have to react at the right time to enemy actions.

if you play ranger you have to focus much on enemy animations and react at the right time with the dodges.

with warrior and elementalist you have to go offensive and lead the fight.
that’s your focos if you play this professions, timing the attacks at the right time.

thats 2 different ways of how this professions work compered to each other

and then peoples talk about ranger is easy mode.
it’s just different, you don’t have the fast hard damge with ranger, but that’s why you have to react verry well.

but ofc peoples in low rank don’t talk/think about such aspects because there is not much good fights.

if i play spirit ranger i die to most professions over time in 1vs1 situations atm,
because my damage is not enough and much enemys have more damage ports or healing power to outsustain me (i thought thats the type of ranger gameplay, win by react well to enemy attacks and win this way by outsustain, anet told us something like this not long time before)

but well, so its just impossible to win a d/d ele, staff ele, hambow warrior, axe/longbow warrior, s/p thief, s/d thief in 1vs1 situations on point atm.
everything of this kills a spirit ranger over time because burning field, outsustain or just being a s/p thief.

also in teamfights my team mates are not happy with my “op called 1 spam”
because it lookls like it is not enough !single target! damage atm to be useful enough in teamfights.

so i just wonder, i missed something.
spirit ranger must be really overpowered atm?

i just have to practice much to win 1vs1 and some 1vs2 again
like with beastmaster ranger in the past.
then i practice a bit to be also useful in teamfights again.
i thought thats the meaning of op.

if anet just balance each 4 month and dont care much like in the ranger cdi,
then elementalist don’t need a cdi topic.

don’t saw anything from the ranger cdi topic atm.
only poison master and im not happy about this troll

ofc they did, but they kicked other professions for this aswell.
so some players can be happy with it and some are not.

i dont like it to have like zero dmg vs dd ele or staff ele with ranger and just die to then over time.
i just ask myself who is now the sustain profession which should win fights like this over time by dodge and kite well?

single target sustian without burst and “ok” mobility
vs.
aoe dmg sustain with burst and more mobility

i dont win with settler because ele burning,
i dont win with carrion because ele have good direct dmg aswell
and i’m also not able to outrun, because i have not more mobility… hmm
i just can create a bm regen ranger to stay alive like the ele, but then i can ask myself why i shuold run a bm when the ele can have aoe dmg and more mobility.
well same story i have against warriors aswell, but there its just i have no damage and have to run for my life from the begining of the fight untill the end.

i really like strengh rune and celestial… just sad i can’t use this well balanced nice things on my profession.

at least the warrior cheese is still going on, it’s even worse then before,
just eles can also have fun aswell now.

i have really no idea how its possible to let warriors troll around for 6 month now…
this profession is so kittened easy mode and faceroll.

it’s much to easy to kill everything with warrior atm,
NERF it like the beastmaster ranger in the past, it was exactly the same like warrior now.

i have no idea how it can be impossible to balance this little cute pvp mode with 1 game mode and just 8 professions for more then 1 year now.

each patch 1 or 2 professions get rotated around from useless to useful.
only guardian is safe, best idea is to play a bunker guardian as second profession…

carrion spirit ranger
with shortbow and sword/dagger:

• 1.) always if they die and you are in a fight, just recast them,
  but be sure you are not focused hard, because they have a long cast time.
  you can use wolf fear or spider immobilize to get time to cast them safe.

• 2.) sun spirit: if you want stomp a enemy player use it to blind.
  and if you practice a bit you can it also time to blind some important enemy attacks like warrior hammer stuns
  stone spirit: use it always to immobilize enemys in a fight,
  a good combo is to start with spider immobilize + f2 spider immobilze and then use the stone spirit aswell for a long immobilize.
  rez spirit: if you or your team mates go low you should summon it, but after that ranger lovely patch this spirit dies really fast, so be careful and dont summon it to early…
  the healing range is anyways really low, your team mates have to stay nearly into the spirit to get heal.

• 3.) as a carrion spirit ranger you are not supposed to hold a point, so you fight around the point and only go on point if the bunkers need some one fast there because they go low.

• 4.) yes

• 5.) you die to nearly everything in 1vs1 on point if the enemy player is on the same level as you, because you need room to kite.
  ele, warrior, s/p thief will always win just because burning field and they dont take damage from you…
  s/d thief, necro, mesmer, off guard and another ranger is ~50/50
  but ofc not easy on point as spirit ranger, the moment you have to recast spirits is the most dangerous moment deciding you lose or win.
  but as spirit ranger, there is not much reason to take a 1vs1 because you need really long to kill someone and for close holder we have atm much better professions and builds in the game then a ranger.

• 6.) dont run spirit ranger and create a staff or dd elementalist.
  or just start to run a faceroll op warrior, they are still broken as hell and work 2x better then the old bm ranger, thats a nice feeling of dominate everything in easy mode.

at least in my mind spirit ranger is not worth to run in a team any more.
thief/mesmer combo is a pain, 1vs1 vs warriors and eles on point are impossible to win,
you deal just like zero dmg on them and in the same time you have to dodge and kite for your live if you face them.

in the teamfight you have still the nice protection and burning buffs of your spirit for your team mates, but it feels not worth any more to run a spirit ranger in teamfights.
there is so much better options after this patch then a single target low damage spirit ranger…

they decided to stop supporting the ranger profession, because they have zero ideas about it.

so they removed also the npc, because they don’t want new players to practive vs a profession don’t exist.

this idiots don’t care.

to stupid to balance 8 professions.
after this first part of this great mega good feature patches (pvp to pve patch)
i thought there will come more feature patches + more informations.

but i dont know what they are doing,
i really hope they work on a add on or something
because if not, it’s just a joke of zero support for this game, they let it just die slowly.

i agree also, since allie left there is zero dev answers in the forum.
i also don’t know what is going on with the ranger cdi, was it just time waste or a joke aswell?

for me this game is already dead after the legends tourny.
nothing to do anymore, no rewards, no balance, most of my team also stoped and its not even worth to look for a new team in this boring game atm.

the combat system is amazing even the best atm, but the rest is time waste in this game atm…

so hello smite, you can balance 50 professions and you have much game modes <3

here is my asura ranger :P

i know really well how to use the terrain in tpvp.
its the only thing i do in this game since release,
playint tpvp as ranger and bunker guardian.

so i have really much experience in tpvp and positioning as ranger,
thats exactly what i have to do as spirit ranger

if you think i’m a random bad ranger,
no i’m not, you can find me in the eu ladder top 25 and also in the legends tourny where we got the 3. place at least.
normaly i dont backup my messages like this, but i get totaly mad to explain with guys think they found out how to play a longbow power ranger…
i think i have enough experience to say it dont works.
at least it dont even need much experience to see it fast, that power ranger is bad atm.

anet devs should never read in this forum things like “longbow ranger is not bad in tpvp” because its the most bad thing you can do in tpvp atm…

at least with “there is enough mobility, ports, jumps”
i mean your enemys have enough mobility to get close range to your longbow ranger and so you are instantly close combat.

enemy players are not stupid and also know all/most jumps on the tpvp maps and get fast to your super well good positions you use.

jcbroe.4329:

I wanted to transport a post made by a fellow ranger I hold in high regards to this thread, because I am aware of how much experience this person has with a particular spec, and so their insight on it is very valued and should be visible in a place that isn’t a forum thread with lesser constructive potential:

Eurantien.4632:

I feel like longbow is viable. I feel like greatsword is not which by extension makes longbow not viable since you don’t have a reliable defensive weapon to swap to. The reason I say greatsword and not any other weapon set is because for a power ranger the DPS loss swapping to any other weapon set is just too great. When swapping to greatsword the issues are hilt bash range, and the block which is unable to save you from multiple targets (if one hits melee) because it forces you into a long animation (counter attack which can be sidestepped lol) which is essentially a self stun. I’ve used long bow a ton, played lb/gs 6/6/2 zerker ranger to the top 50 of both EU and NA leaderboards. I really don’t think lb is the problem (i’m generally in lb 75% of the time), but the greatsword which I only swap to If I know I can land the 3->5->2 burst combo or if I need to escape/reposition using swoop->block. Mainly, that is because the GS block (which ideally should keep you in a fight) I only use 1 v 1 or to try to block projectiles after I swoop away because its worthless for anything else.

what?!
i can complain simular.

i played into eu ladder top 25 with spirit ranger and stay there since the last ladder reset, i also played spirit ranger in the legends tounry in a team and we got the 3. place
(why spirit ranger? yes because there is nothing else work for ranger if you want play seriously)

so i can tell you from my point, each kind of power ranger is not viable and completely useless in teamque…

the longsword is not the reason why longbow is bad.
both weapon are not viable/bad,
also all other weapons are not viable for power builds on ranger,
just because the hole ranger design dont work for power (because the design of the weaponskills).
its designed to put conditions on your enemys and let your pet also deal dmg,
thats by dodge and kite enemy attacks well as possible.

i tried so often to create some kind of power rangers.
after this patch i tried it again.
but it leads always to the point where i have to realize its not viable.

the power builds of ranger dont even work in hot join good enough,
where i can finish most enemys in easy mode as condition ranger…
or even when i play some professions i dont main, the power ranger always looks bad if i compare this.

the hole longbow skills are not smoth and need a huge rework,
same with longsword skills.
and there it’s not enough to just improve damage.
it needs something to combinate 2 skills to one and create a new survive based one.

after that they can start think about power ranger traits and slot skills

and maybe after that a power ranger could work.
but actually power ranger is completely not viable.
i dont even know where i should start to complain why, because its just everything… traits, weapons skills, slot skills and even how enemy professions work.

at least i found one viable power ranger 1vs1 build.
and this was with the greatsword and cleric amulet.
but it was more a bunker with rune of the pirate.
i survived and my parrot killed enemys, so it don’t counts.
and with shaman and condi weapons it works also better.
or just create a beastmaster ranger, its the same.

i dont want blame Eurantien.
its nice if he like to play he’s ranger this way and
maybe if anet finaly decide to buff power ranger builds he become a really dangerous player by using this build, because he practice it much already.
but at the moment there is no serious spots for power rangers in teams…

and can a dev finaly visit this topic?