Guild Wars 2

KeeZee.7312:

There is like 20 in the first 10 minutes of the first vid with a bunch of pugs. And since each Necro can drop 4 marks it may seem like there are a lot. But I must remember, when 20 ppl are stomping you its better to say there were more to try and save face.

Still want to see this 1000 merc running rampant all over you.

Remind me again how 20 rounds down into 5-10? I’ve been out of school for far to long I must not remember learning that in Math.

Should i also mention that MERC is just one of the guilds that transferred, not the only guild that transferred? No I wont mention that,

KeeZee.7312:

According to SoR BG got hundreds/thousands of players but all day BG had the outman buff on 3 different maps including their own.

5-10 ppl here and there does not = being stacked like SoR claimed the last two weeks. If BG was stacked as SoR says we are would we be in third this week? But we all know you all like to make excuses as to why you were in third and kitten that Blackgate came in and took your cozy #2 spot.

KeeZee.7312:

stuff…

Merc must run with a lot of Mesmer and Necro’s to get that many green dots with the 5-10 you claim they have.

Another link from your own server forums. You might want to visit them more often to keep in the loop.
http://blackgatewvw.com/forum/index.php?/topic/758-merc-video-compilation-amarathy-pov/

Oddly I can guarantee you’ll never see a MERC member in her saying they only field 5-10 WvW people so it’s good of you to clear up any confusion about their numbers for us all.

Side Note: I have nothing against Merc so no one take it that way.

KeeZee.7312:

I use to belong to a guild that said they had 500 members. After some house cleaning only 150 were active. On any given night only 30-40 would show up for WvW.

Please show me the pics of the hordes Mercs….I an on a lot and only ever see about 20 at most. But I guess when you are underfoot it seems like they have more.

Oh so 20 that you have personally seen rounds down to 5-10.

KeeZee.7312:

According to SoR BG got hundreds/thousands of players but all day BG had the outman buff on 3 different maps including their own.

5-10 ppl here and there does not = being stacked like SoR claimed the last two weeks. If BG was stacked as SoR says we are would we be in third this week? But we all know you all like to make excuses as to why you were in third and kitten that Blackgate came in and took your cozy #2 spot.

I believe you may want to recheck your facts. MERC alone is a 1000+ member guild. Last I checked 1000 does not round down to 5-10 people.

Pinkus.2860:

Orikx.9671:

Pinkus.2860:

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Maybe trying reading the post I quoted. That’s how the quoting feature works. It address the person in the quote. Much the same you quoted my post.

KeeZee has said in about 5 different posts in this thread that BG didn’t get any transfers and SoR is making it up. Since it is common knowledge to everyone but him I decide to fill him in. Since he didn’t listen to any number of the posts telling him the guilds I linked your own server forums so that maybe he could inform himself.

Good day

My apologies Orikx, i’ve clearly read the conversation the wrong way.

No problem. It can be easy to miss stuff in a sea of posts. I have removed my response.

CriSPeH.8512:

^
Maybe PM him next time to correct his error.
Or was it your goal to point it out to everyone in a passive aggressive condescending tone?

[SF] you guys are a tough little grp to fight in N camp BGBL. You kept trying to pick on my poor little Asura Engineer last nite Was a blast going head 2 head with your stike team, even if you seemed a little over enthusiastic to try and chase me down with tht Sword/Bugel Warrior, I musta ticked him off

My tone matched the tone I received. Couldn’t he just have easily pm’d me. For that matter couldn’t you? Hypocrit much?

He has sense humbly apologized and I will do the same to him.

I run a similar build but I run mostly P/V/T armor/accessories(with Carrion orbs) and a carrion staff. I found that with my Utilities all being used for dmg and time warp as my elite I lacked the staying power in huge long battles that I wanted. I gained a lot of survivability with PVT and with 25 stacks I still sit at 1000 con dmg.

The damage is still respectable and for those times we are farming their spawn supply camp and fighting for 10+ minutes I don’t have to get out to heal up near as often so I can keep glamours up more.

Irony.5203:

Thanks for the plug!

I got the link from your Sig.

Monsoon.2589:

I do not think BG is fighting for 1st place at least that is not what I hear on vent/ts and what I read in chat. BG can NOT get to second place fighting two servers at the same time so saying it wants 1st place is incorrect imo.

My interpretation, as someone who mostly wvw alone/small groups, is that red woke up this week worried that they would be pushed back to tier 2…

I stopped reading there. If you had half an idea of what was actually going on you would know that it is almost impossible for SoR to get pushed out of T1 anytime soon.
Even last week with our NA basically not taking anything and just looking for open field fights we still only lost 13 ELO and KN only gained 11. That left KN still 93 points behind and the closer they get to our score the harder they have to work to get out of T2.

covenn.7165:

Hopefully not. Maybe they actually recoded a few things from the ground up to actually make it efficient. Wishful thinking …I know.

I’m expecting very little from this patch so I’m not disappointed.
I’m betting they did two things. 1 made it so everyone appears, aka removed culling. They’ve specifically said this is how they are fixing it so I believe it. The second thing they likely did was make it so textures and view distance can be scaled down a lot now.

You won’t be able to scale distance unless you want to have enemy players see you before you see them. So, the only thing you will be able to tone down is textures.

Computers that currently get frame lag(stutter) in big battles will likely lag worse because you computer is having to do even more. Computers that don’t lag now but aren’t expensive gaming rigs will hopefully be able to experience minimal fps lag by lowering textures some or a lot. Expensive newer gaming rigs will probably be fine.

Skill lag will continue to be there because it’s server side and even though they are taking a little load off the server, not having to decide who to show anymore it won’t be enough in big battles.

So ultimately the only thing that will change in massive battles is people will be able to better estimate enemy numbers. It will still be a mass of people spamming #1 since no other skills will work.

Vash.9183:

I know people are going to call QQ, but SoR is to blame for the lack of good fights from BG this week. We only have 1 guild on in BG at this point and they are fighting a large JQ zerg in EBG. Our ppt is ranging from 85-105. While we’re duking it out with JQ and basically all the BL maps are completely silent and have plenty of points to capture, SoR decides to bring their zerg of about 80+ members to attack us at the same time.This is only one out of many instances.

I know I’d say “QQ” if someone else was saying this, but if you want a reason for the lack of effort this week, it’s because Choo & co. are griefing our players when there is already enough stress on our ppt. Not surprised you guys have such a bad reputation.

I just hope our Oceanic & SEA guilds don’t get too discouraged.

If Choo is beating people so bad they are not showing up then I would say they are doing exactly what they should be doing.

The heretic.1052:

ok? so random.

i got bored at work and made this with ship constructor :P

I think you meakittenchool. We are all 12-17.

Zikory.6871:

Sorry for the semi rant but this is getting old. There is always going to be something a different class has that seems OP! Why cry about it? I think getting 5+ necros together and putting all their marks down is OP, it makes necros awesome for holding choke points, anet should take out marks because no other class can do it like they can…As for the Arrow Cart your saying that its broken because you can’t stand in it and just take the damage? A 1 second immobilize is game breaking? I think not, you can easily realize whats happening and move out of the area heal up and try again. Or instead of trying to PvDoor something build counter siege and take out threats prier to banging your head against the door.

While I think its very helpful while trying to defend a objective, I would take a small organized group over a arrow cart traited for a 1 second immobilize any day. IMO we should nerf team work, thats the real issue here.

You are so right. It’s no different then every other class trait that applies to siege….oh wait.

VOLKON.1290:

It would be a nice treat to be able to “safely” get a few Asura from each server together for one of these score update pics.

Fear would like to attend…to soon?

Churchill.8714:

I actually remember you zerging twice our numbers the first reset night.

I remember that. That was the week they changed the max people in the BL’s to like 50 and everyone was waiting 4+ hours in queue.

Luckly ANet made an exception and let SoR continue to zerg with our usual 9000.

Burl.9567:

Us players on SoR don’t even use our fingers to press keys. We just smash our face on our keyboard over and over.

Confirmed. At weekly meetings we discuss face smash strategies. This week the forehead strategy. Last week it was the back of our heads. We found to many people fell asleep at their keyboards using this method.
If the forehead doesn’t get us 1st place this week then we will try the bring keyboard to face strat on reset.
This T1 stuff is hard, we have to keep thinking outside the box and coming up with new strats.

I not going to sit here and argue with you about the effectiveness of every D/D skill. We’ll just have to agree to disagree.

I’ve already tried to help LordByron with the error of his ways and give him a half a dozen answers to countering a zerg ball only to have him say. Play in T1. I’m not going to sit in this thread and explain to you how to beat every class. Besides the fact thaqt the context of LordByrons arguement that you’ve decided to put yourself into is that D/D is useless in large scale WvW which is far from true.

With that being said. If you are getting kited and kill by anyone, while you are playing D/D then it seriously is a L2 kitten ue. I’ve never even remotely been close to being kited on my D/D. That goes back to what I said earlier with them being near impossible to catch. You should be able to harass Zergs and escape to live tell about it on a D/D Ele. So if you arguement is that class will switch to a ranged weapon and kite you. I suggest another class or weapon set becuase D/D may not be for you. There is no same in not being good at all classes or weapon sets. I stay away from my Engi because for the life of me I can’t be effective with it.

Jahn.7019:

Azaruil.3406:

You know what’s worse than losing? Not even wanting to fight.

I can respect someone who accepts a fight and loses. I do not have any respect however for someone who is not even willing to fight, due to fear of losing.

Here’s EMP:

Scheduled Friday: "Lets duel Sunday 9pm est, Sunday rolls around the reason “We don’t have enough people on, can we reschedule to Tuesday 9pm est”

Tuesday rolls around and we hear “The score is too close to BG, we have to make sure we beat them, lets reschedule to Thursday 9pm est”

Thursday rolls around and we hear “This was never scheduled, we have our WvW night we aren’t GvGing you, maybe tomorrow”.

I guess they figure if they back out enough times TW will quit asking them and they won’t have to fight them. I doubt they counted on getting hunted and wiped all over JQBL directly after though.

If they did that they would need to nerf the attunement swap buffs though because I don’t think it currently has an internal CD. W/O an internal CD you’d be able to stack perma Might,Regen,Swiftness, and Protection without even needing to use duration ruins.

From a PvE perspective it does suck being slow to swap back into your Fire Att for dmg. In PvP though it’s not really a problem because all the utility skills are useful while waiting for fire to come back up.

How many classes are able to switch weapons faster then 10 second though? Honest question. The only one I can think of is Warrior and Engi..

Soulview.4532:

Orikx.9671:

Basically you are either making up lies to try to prove your point or you haven’t truely learned how to play D/D to it’s fullest potential and haven’t learned the power of all of our weapon skills. Either way it doesn’t make the D/D Ele useless.

I don`t know if you notice this but when i understand it right we talk about cc & immobilization? Not about snare. Maybe you didn`t see it but i also don`t count snare and other skills with for example weekness effect from warrior like

Fierce Blow 12 sec cd | 8 sec weakness
Hammer Shock 12 sec cd | 7 sec cripple

And when i would write like you. I would write now that you try to hold peoples opinion down with calling them noobs because they have no knowlege about their own class. Or that you are such a big noob that you don`t know the differents between CC/immo and a snare.

You understand what i mean? Why not talking without affront? Should be possible or not?

I never said that D/D Ele is useless. You said “No other class gets anywhere near that amount of CC and utility even with Utility skills and we get it all in 1 weapon set.” And i proof you are wrong, with an example. Nothing more or less.

One Point you are right i don`t talk about elite Tornado and his “knockback?” cc. Sorry my fault.

I hope you understand all my english isn`t very well.

You didn’t just leave out snares(cripple). You left out Stuns, Weakness and chilled.
Stun is stun…there is no way you can’t count that as CC.
Weakenss makes 50% of their hits glancing blows and their endurance regens 50% slower which is huge. -50% end regen means they dodge half as much which means more DPS for you. This is also CC.
Chilled is MUCH more then snare. They attack 66% slower.
If you count blind as CC, which I do, then these 3 are all CC.

Not to mention all of this is just there. They don’t have to trait for it, use Utilities, etc…You said it yourself. Your warrior idea isn’t necessarily reality. This stuff is just there for a D/D Ele. They are free to use Utilities for whatever. In my case I take cantraps to make me even harder to kill.

Read to me where I called you a noob? In fact you are the one trying to call me a noob because I don’t understand the difference between CC or snare. However you don’t understand that half the CC’s you left out are more then a snare. So i would watch who you’re calling a noob.

I simply said you haven’t learned to play D/D to it’s fullest potential or are lieing to prove a point. Which appears to still be correct since you don’t consider many of the CC’s to be CC’s. If you don’t understand them to be CC’s then odds are you don’t understand what D/D Ele’s can do.

Shocking aura also isn’t effected by AoE caps so in theory you could stun 20 people 4 times int hat 4 seconds so and it’s not melee, it’s within 600 radius. It might be 400 radius, I forget the exact amount but think it’s 600.

I understand you fine and don’t worry about not being native to English. You speak English much better then I could ever hope to speak a second language.

Blade.9317:

Score update brought to you by Feisty:

You’re in the wrong thread. We don’t do score updates here.

LordByron.8369:

wut? O.o
1 fire field

Now you talk about trying to “get through” and enemy zerg ball. First off zerg balls are an easy counter so if you are dieing to them then your commanders aren’t leading you properly. Second of all, don’t hit a zerg ball head on. That is their design to chew stuff up. Try thinking strategically instead of saying it hurts when I smash my face into this wall think of a way to get around the wall and do dmg. You have several options at your disposal. Besides the most obvious, move out of the way and hit them from behind, Lightning flash has a 900 range, you can teleport behind them. RTL will get through them to the back side. Least effective being to pop armor of faith and run through them. You have 6 seconds of stability and protection, more depending on ruins and traits. Hell you could even probably use burning speed to blow right through them, though it would take amazing timing or you would be dead. Tornado and Flame sword are also great against zerg balls.
If you are dieing to zerg balls because you can’t face tank them, then that is your fault for not planning better. Just because you have a melee weapon doesn’t mean you belong in the front of a zerg ball. Mesmer’s, rangers, necro’s, theifs, Engi’s all have a melee option but they would get wrecked ikittenerg ball too. Get behind it and you wreck their ranged classes behind the ball.

You should play more www this is simply another game not GW2…

I should go on….but its better to invite you to watch high tier www fights…..

I started to question how much you truely knew about the game when you said they only get 1 fire field.

Then you confirmed that you don’t know it well when trying to say that was another game and not GW2.

You suffer from the same problem as Soulview. You haven’t truely learned how to play D/D so you are blaming your short comings on the class.

Fire Fields:
Burning Speed
Ring of Fire
Try fact checking before you try calling someone else out.

I gave you tried and test methods of being successful(except for Burnind speed which i said is basically a death wish w/o perfect timing) as a D/D Ele against a zerg ball. The problem is you think Zerg Balls are a good strategy. So you are unwilling to think there might be a counter. Talented guilds have been busting up Zerg balls for weeks. The only reason people still run them is it’s an easy way to control a mass of people if they aren’t able to think/react as individuals.

And again. Maybe try fact checking before trying to call someone out. I am on a T1 server so I don’t think you need to invite me to watch a high tier fight as I am participating in them. You are clearly part of one of those zerg ball guilds that gets wreck facing a good guild.

As long as you fail at adapting and figuring out the strengths of your class you will always think they are under powered no mater what the class. There is a reason D/D became the Meta for Ele’s for a couple months. It’s not because they are useless. It’s just that the meta has adapted now and you are stuck in the old way of thinking.

Your argument about auto attack- helps to prove that also. If you idea of being effective is spamming the 1 key you are going to have problems. Until you get into the massive lag fest battles where no one can press anything but 1. And then you are the best class int he game because you have the trump card. Flame Sword #1 skill.

Soulview.4532:

Orikx.9671:

LordByron.8369:

stuff…

No other class gets anywhere near that amount of CC and utility even with Utility skills and we get it all in 1 weapon set.

uhm, how about no?

For example CC & immobilize D/D Ele

Wind
updraft 40 sec CD | 2 sec CC

Earth
earthquake 45 sec CD | 2 sec CC
Magnetic Grasp 12 sec CD | 2 sec immobilize

Utility Skills
Signet of Earth 30 sec CD | 3 sec immobilize
Conjure Lightning Hammer
Wind Blast 18 sec CD | ?? sec CC
Static Field 25 sec CD | 2 sec CC

Well sure if you leave half the CC we get out then other classes have more.

How about:
Water Attunement:
Frozen Burst – 15 second CD, last 3 seconds.
Frost Aura – 2 Second Duration, can be applied 1 per second so essentially a 8 second chilled to anyone who continues to attack you.

Air Attunement:
Lightning Touch – 10 second CD and lasts 5 seconds.
Shocking Aura – 4 second duration stunned every time enemy hits you. 25 second CD.

Earth Att:
Ring of Earth – 3 second cripple on 6 sec CD
Magnetic Grasp – 2 sec immobolize on 12 second CD.

Utility Skills:
I wasn’t even counting those but I can if you want.
Glyph of Elemental Power 30 second duration last 45 seconds.
The chances to apply vary depending on Attunement but the lower chance ones last longer so you could argue you could apply about 20-25 seconds of total CC during the 30 second duration.
Most Signets apply a decent length CC on a 20-30 second CD.

Elite Skills.
You Compare Rampage for Warrior but don’t figure in Elites for Ele. Maybe try to be objective instead of just making stuff up to try to prove your point.
Tornado has all kinds of CC with it.

Basically you are either making up lies to try to prove your point or you haven’t truely learned how to play D/D to it’s fullest potential and haven’t learned the power of all of our weapon skills. Either way it doesn’t make the D/D Ele useless.

Zikory.6871:

KN will only make a closer match for BG and JQ. No one thinks Kain will come up and take 2nd or first place. (Or even do better then SoR) The point is Kain will slow down JQ in BGs weak time slots making this already close match even closer.

Go back and read the guys posts you are defending. I specifically responded to Dredrum. I completely understand what you are talking about with KN giving FoO a challenge. I also agree that there isn’t a 3rd T1 ready server right now.

Your buddy Dredrum though has this illusion that KN is going to come make T1 a balanced 3 way fight. Anyone that has even been half way paying attention understands that with all servers in their current state T1 can not be a balanced 3 way fight.

Dredrum.2563:

Yup I Play when SoR sleeps, and JQ dominates. Getting backdoored by 60+ in my prime time play gets old, because JQ can field 20-30 pug across all map and have FoO float and backdoor any action BG makes, because SoR won’t even take a camp for about 6 hours of play. Gets old quick, its why many want kain, if not kain anyone for that matter to split the forces so its not a non stop backdoor fest, by the more populated server.

Do you understand how 24 hour coverage works? " if not kain anyone for that matter" You realize Kain is the only server that can field coverage during that time. SoR isn’t alone in coverage gaps. KN is no competition for BG and JQ during the other times though.

Titan.3472:

GL in tier 3 and lower then to people who stays in SoR.
SoR are not competitive in T1 at ALL, they are just defending/upgrading NOTHING and let either BG or JQ take all and get maxed ppt. On another side, Kaineng is way stronger than you are but you ll never find out by yourself as you ll switch rank with them in few weeks.
Believe me KN is close to BG strenght and way stronger than SoR. You don’t want to hear it but SoR time in T1 is about to end now for the sake and balance of the overal T1 matchup (JQ would never win almost for free if there would be a real T1 server instead of SOR, atm T1 is a 1vs1 no SoR in view).

I must have missed where KN is close to BG when they were getting beat by 150K after BG got their recent transfers.

KN was somewhat close to BG before BG got their transfers. BG and JQ are on a whole different level coverage wise than any other servers ATM. Unfortunately for SoR. There isn’t realy a server on our level ATM. We are no where near the coverage needed for T1 but T2 will probably be a blow out when we are there if we went at full capacity.

Which sucks for TC/FA and KN because they are having a pretty solid matchup. KN might eventually(read 4-5+ weeks) get into T1 because of ELO but they will be in the same boat SoR is in. TC and FA will then have to fight SoR which probably won’t be nearly as close as their current matchup.

pot.6805:

If you only care about the good fights and not PPT and winning tier 1, what does it even matter?

Someone hasn’t been paying attention.

tkalamba.2541:

Dredrum.2563:

Jahn.7019:

Look at how close T2 is.

I bet you none of those servers wants anything to change. Too bad the populations are so skewed in T1, otherwise it would be great to have something like that here too.

Yup and only way most of think that could happen is with a different server in #3 spot.

I doubt there are any other servers in that could fill that role.

It’s going to take guilds from other servers to actively fill existing gaps. Say a few guilds looking for a challenge moved to SoR from anywhere else just to fill the troubled timeslots. It could help balance T1 to make it really close around the clock. The problem is, not many guilds are willing to make the move.

It’s beyond that though. It’s going to take guilds in non-NA time slots moving to SoR to help. I don’t know that there are that many left on other servers except Kain. Kain blew through the ranks on WM alone so there obviously isn’t many servers out there with coverage in those areas to fight them. Unless guilds from the EU server came over.

Dredrum.2563:

I love the people saying SoR is a t1 server, SoR is not a t1 server it got in t1 in a fluke of server xfers to sos/jq when xfers were free leaving them to dominate there tier and skyrocket their score. Don’t get me wrong I am not saying SoR is bad, I am saying there coverage has a hole so big you could drive a mack truck through it, during JQ’s number 1 time for point gain. Leaving for a steady blowout every week not a competitive nail biting match.

Kain does have gaps in coverage to, but its prime is right in line with FoO’s prime. Kain would make for a closer more competive match. Also this isn’t about just having WM back in t1, you likely haven’t seen the numbers [meow] and [tofu] can bring to wvw which has the same play time as WM.

This isn’t entirely true. Before the SoS implosion I think we had very similar coverage to BG. SoS had better coverage then us. At that time There wasn’t a server that could stand to the new JQ so basically you had 1 T1 server and 3 T1.5 servers or 1 T0 and 3 T1 servers. Once SOS imploded though BG got a big amount of transfers again and now you really only have 2 T1 servers 1 T1.5 and 3 T2 servers. I really don’t think Kaineng falls into that T1.5 category but having not faced them I’m not sure. WM can only do so much and that is basically all Kain is at this point.

Right now without major shifts in population, example WM coming to SoR there are only going to be 2 T1 servers.

dirtyoldgoat.5496:

tkalamba.2541:

and considering were not even actively trying to gain ELO, imagine how slow a decent would be?

Jahn.7019:

but the fact the score is like this without SoR even trying,

I dont understand why you are not trying? What is the end goal of giving up?

The end goal is a lot more fun. Either way if we tried for PPT or not our ELO would barely change and we’d be in T1 for weeks to come.

By not worrying about PPT we get to have all the fun fights we want without the stress of trying to decide which keep to defend while being attacked on multiple sides.

It’s not that we’ve given up. We are still out there fighting. Just not for PPT.

Burl.9567:

We are about to be losing by 90k points and we only lost 10 elo. Can you image how much we have to lose by to drop even more??? If anything, SoR will be gaining elo in a couple weeks and not losing it.

And not just that. Kaineng is only going to gain 2 points this week. At that rate, even assuming we some how manage to continue to lose 10 points a week it would be 8-9 weeks before we moved down.

Had to break it up because my wall of text was to big.

Defending a keep. That is a horrible example because it’s easy to drop combat for a different weapons et if you want too. If you are dieing on a D/D ele the moment you step foot outside of a keep then you are just not playing well. See my above paragraph. I can harass an entire zerg and not die. If you dive into their zerg ball off the wall, yes you will probably die. Anyone will, play smart and don’t dive into 40 people expecting to live and then blame it on the class when you don’t.
On the sieging side. Switch to a staff if you feel useless or wait for the enemy to try to push out. Dropping combat to switch is easy. I will gladly take that tradeoff for the massive amount of CC and Utility we get from a single weapon set.

Can’t kill a bunker build in a bunker build? So what. All bunker builds suffer from this. You are bunker build. IT’s hard to kill other bunker builds because you are both tough with lots of heals and lower dmg. D/D Ele because of all the might stacks you can get are acuallt very strong in bunker builds but it takes a bit to ramp up damage.

Can’t kill roaming thieves? Against so what, there are some builds that are hard counters to others. Thieves are designed to be able to run. You can do the same. A roaming thief can’t kill you either if they do…that is a L2 kitten ue.

As for the fact that you see mostly Staff Ele’s in WvW right now. What does that prove. The current meta is zerg balls(which is stupid and easily counterable but that’s for a different topic.) For busting zerg balls staff is best. It’s not different then Warriors running hammer in all the zerg balls. Again some weapons are better for some things. You don’t see an Axe warrior running in the front line of a melee train. That doesn’t necessarily make Axe bad, it just means the meta is Hammer warriors. Again I’ve been quite successful running D/D in a melee train before. But I don’t lead the charge into their stability/protection/retail spec’d front line.

All of your arguments seem base around the fact that you want D/D to be able to do everything for you and no one else gets one weapon set for everything either.

The one thing I will say is it seems Ele’s need more viable builds. It feels like we are much more limited in trait selection then many other classes.

LordByron.8369:

stuff…

Where to start.

Well first you assume that all weapons for all classes should be viable in all situations. That is just simply not true. Some weapon sets are designed with different goals in mind. IE… melee, ranged, CC, protection, utility, etc…

Now you’ll claim that other classes get access to two weapons sets and Ele don’t so that’s not fair. This isn’t true either. Engi’s also only get access to 1 weapon set. Their tradeoff is Kits, which if you’ve played a Engi you’ll know that their tradeoff is much more kitten then Ele. Ele’s tradeoff is a HUGE amount of weapon skills.

No other class gets access to the sheer amount of weapon skills Ele gets. What that means is stuff other classes have to use Utility skills for we get just in weapon skills.
D/D for example gets 2x fire fields, vulnerability, 2x chilled, weakness, stun, 2xblowout, 2x cripple, 2x blast finishers, 1x leap finisher. That is not even counting traits/utility skills. With the right traits/utilities you can have even more blast finishers one on a 10 second CD. Combine that with the huge amount of healing we get.
No other class gets anywhere near that amount of CC and utility even with Utility skills and we get it all in 1 weapon set.

That means it leaves our Utilities open to specialize. Want more survivability, no problem take utilities for that. Want more CC, no problem take a utility. Then add in the amount of boons we get. Few classes have access to the amount of boons we have access to. Trait right and you can keep 4-6 boons up almost indefinitely.

Now you talk about trying to “get through” and enemy zerg ball. First off zerg balls are an easy counter so if you are dieing to them then your commanders aren’t leading you properly. Second of all, don’t hit a zerg ball head on. That is their design to chew stuff up. Try thinking strategically instead of saying it hurts when I smash my face into this wall think of a way to get around the wall and do dmg. You have several options at your disposal. Besides the most obvious, move out of the way and hit them from behind, Lightning flash has a 900 range, you can teleport behind them. RTL will get through them to the back side. Least effective being to pop armor of faith and run through them. You have 6 seconds of stability and protection, more depending on ruins and traits. Hell you could even probably use burning speed to blow right through them, though it would take amazing timing or you would be dead. Tornado and Flame sword are also great against zerg balls.
If you are dieing to zerg balls because you can’t face tank them, then that is your fault for not planning better. Just because you have a melee weapon doesn’t mean you belong in the front of a zerg ball. Mesmer’s, rangers, necro’s, theifs, Engi’s all have a melee option but they would get wrecked ikittenerg ball too. Get behind it and you wreck their ranged classes behind the ball.

Also with the right build and the right combo of Utility options I have actually been quite successful in our melee train. Sharing auras can be very useful in a melee train. You just have to keep an eye on HP and you have plenty of escape tools if things get crazy. Don’t get me started on escape tools. D/D ele’s have access to more oh kitten buttons then anyone. Roaming on a D/D ele you should never die unless you are careless or choose to fight to the death.

Miiaah.5416:

Almost all of them eh? Funny I didn’t get the memo. Most of my “mates” got bored and went back to SWToR PvP until the patch.

This explains so much. Your idea of good Pv kitten WTOR. No wonder you can’t understand the concept of a 1v1v1. You probably think standing in Illum taking turns killing each faction for your daily killspasses as PvP.

Here I found an online game that might be more fitting of your play style.
http://www.pogo.com/games/battleship

Miiaah.5416:

Sorry I provided an example to refute what you think is a good strategy

The fact that you think that Garison take is an example of anything speaks volumes.

Like I said. You are one of those vocal few that thinks everyone is 2v1 against BG. Just some quick post history of yours. I didn’t go through much because I am getting off work and it was easy to find a few fast examples.

Miiaah.5416:

From the JQ/SOs/BG fight.
“I don’t remember BG quitting when they were in an obvious double team their first week back in T1.”

“Yeah, 6 days of listening to JQ telling us to play for first by attacking SoS while they attacked BG and only BG. I wonder if T1 has always been this ridiculous”

“This, JQ waited 6 days to even touch SoS, I expect more of the same playing for second”

“Don’t get me wrong, the being outnumbered in a Garrison and having the other two servers zergballing you for 4 hours can be entertaining "

Enough said.

I’m not sure how a video of your fighting Kain is even remotely relevant to any of this 2v1 you claim is going on.

You hit the nail on the head though. Now try to think logically about your statement. From your perspective. Your only perspective is fights were we fight BG. So of course if you want to refuse to believe there is ever another fight going on somewhere else then sure you would think we only fight BG.

From my perspective everyone around me speaks English. There fore I can only assume that the entire world only speaks English. You don’t see the failed logic in this?

Miiaah.5416:

Here’s an example of a fight I was lucky enough to be a part of, if we could do it against an upgraded Garrison with more than a skeleton protecting, than a 60 man Zerg should be able to do the same much faster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmTlNjpR6J0

They didn’t even have an arrow cart down behind the door. That was probably one of the worst Garisson defenses I have seen. Plus they had less then 10 people inside defending, I would consider that a skeleton crew.

Can Garrison be flipped very fast? Yes. Can it be flipped very fast while defended properly? Generally no unless you use a golem rush.

Regardless it’s often much easier to take a keep from someone else after you let them do the dirty work then it is to start from scratch and let the enemy come hit your from behind. SoR didn’t invent this strategy and aren’t the only ones to use. You are just one of those vocal few that think everyone is out to get BG.

Zikory.6871:

I think your missing the point when everyone is saying “2v1” I don’t think anyone on BG thinks there is some pact between SoR and JQ to focus BG out. SoR is not going to beat BG or JQ, so the only chance SoR has to stay in T1 is pick up points where they are easier to get. Both BG and JQ are working to beat each other in PPT for first place. So over all SoR is going to have a easier time getting points from BG as they are going to have there hands full trying to out point JQ. This is where the “2v1” is coming from…Both SoR and JQ are hitting BG but independently.

Sadly for those that keeping being up BG complaining about 2v1, its making you look quite foolish. Take a step back and relax a bit and stop being so defensive if you don’t fully understand what your talking about and commenting under assumptions.

I think you need to go back and re-read the thread. Who’s looking foolish? In the very same post of mine you quoted Miiaah is saying SoR is just outright helping JQ for no reason other then to keep BG from winning. Here let me quote it again for you.

Miiaah.5416:

BG trying to de-throne JQ and SoR doing what it can from stopping BG from taking first from JQ.

And this is just one of many of these types of posts about 2v1’s. As I said it’s a vocal minority on BG, it doesn’t reflect the server as a whole. I don’t even necessarily think it reflects your opinion. Simple fact is that BG has a few of these whiners that shout 2v1 every chance they can. I could go back to the JQ/SoS/BG threads and link a ton of posts there and posts from the BG/SoR/TC threads. I’m not going to because quite frankly it would be boring. Trying to defend them does make you look just as foolish as them however.

Miiaah.5416:

I think people are excited about Kain in T1 because they have numbers where numbers are needed to keep JQ in check, Kain also has no reason to keep BG from taking PPT from JQ when Kain is weak in coverage. There’s only one way to find out, hopefully it happens before most get bored with the stagnation of JQ fielding numbers wherever and whenever they want, BG trying to de-throne JQ and SoR doing what it can from stopping BG from taking first from JQ. Kain would bring a refreshing change in that I feel they would like to make the monster work for their wins.

Thank you for proving my point. BG has a vocal minority that love to cry fowl and think everyone is always 2v1’ing them. It must be native people to BG because they do it any time they get to T1 and they even did it a lot in the BG/SoR/IoJ and TC matches when they were winning. There didn’t seem to be much 2v1 talk coming from SoS when they were falling out of T1 so I can’t imagine it’s the SoS transfers that are so delusional.

For the life of me I can’t understand how after 6 months of WvW they haven’t figured out that the nature of 3 faction warfare is people are opportunistic. You will get hit in the back while fighting for a keep because it’s easy to wipe a force that has just been weekend by a big battle with another server. You won’t notice it happening to the other side because you either, A) won the first fight and are now getting hit by the other server or you lost the fight and aren’t around to see the other servers weekend forces getting hit by the 3rd server.

Saying Garrison could have been taken while we fought at Hills proves nothing. A fully upgrade keep with siege can be easily defended by a skeleton screw. It’s very easy for a group to defend or lose Hills and still get back to Garrison in plenty of time to defend it if upgraded.

The more I think about it though. HoD used to cry about 2v1’s all the time too. I wonder if they ones saying it in BG were originally on HoD?

People use it to troll world chests all the time. Drop the portal somewhere nasty and then drop the portal on the chest after a world boss is killed.

Portal bombing is a thing of the past. Its still very useful for supply runs in WvW. The cliff towers you can portal a mob of people back up to the tower with supply so they don’t have to run around on the ramps.
It’s also a great escape tool. I can’t count how many times it’s saved me in WvW while solo roaming. Get in over your head and drops a portal lead people away and port back to create some distance. My favorite is dropping it at the top of a cliff while running from a small group. Run ahead a bit and drop down. Usually some will follow but not all. Portal back up and kill the ones that stayed at the top while their friends can’t get there to help.

I’ve used it a lot in fractals when they first came out. Haven’t done them for a long time so they might have changed. The one you carry the hammer that gives you a debuff it came in handy many times. Porting people up past the wind part.

urzen.7096:

dragon.8625:

I totally understand SoR’s position this week, just head hunting to try to stay in Tier 1, even though they don’t belong here, as their score keeps showing they just don’t have the coverage to compete. I would think that if they where really double teaming BG because a few guilds on our server ran their mouth, that they would negotiate a place in second. Unfortunately not the case, so who knows what is really happening behind the scenes. But there you go, SoR 0 ppt, 11pm server time.

I read all the bad talk about BeastGate, and I am not going to respond to it, I just want to point out that we took on the #1 server in north america, we are fighting off their pet dogs at the same time and we still hold a strong second position in Tier 1, good job to everybody on BG that is spending so many hours every day in WvW to make the difference, and to all of our commanders out there, and all of our amazing WvW guilds that fight regardless of what anybody says.

Can’t wait until we push SoR into the tier they belong in and we match up with Kaineng again. I’ve been missing me some War Machine fights.

We belong here because their is no other world that can compete with us over time besides JQ (and BG for the moment). If someone else moves up, we will be solid in T2 and someone above us will fall and we’ll be right back in T1 again. Afaik there are only two consistent servers, JQ and SOR. We are the only who have have not fallen below T2 since our rise. Maybe thats due to some sort of loyalty characteristic.

If history repeats, SOR will eventually get some more coverage, beat BG, and BG bandwagoners will fall off causing them to fall down again. Much like SOS, IOJ and others.

I don’t know that this is accurate. SoR hasn’t been pushed into a lower tier yet to even be tested in that way. Do I think we will implode? No, but you can’t say JQ and SoR are the only two consistent servers when we haven’t even been tested that way. BG has fallen out of T1 a few times and pushed back in so they have been tested in that way.

As far as facing loses and continuing to fight hard SoR and JQ are both on a level of their own in that aspect.

As far as Kain in T1. They are no more T1 ready then SoR is. There are only two servers with T1 coverage at the moment. Which is pretty typical of GW2 NA servers. We tend to have two T1 coverage servers and 3 or 4 T2 servers that get swapped around.

Kain is strong in 1 time zone just like SoR. They will be able to fight hard to get ppt during that time but then get wrecked in the other time zones like we do. The BG people that think it will be so much different with Kain in T1 are the same people that think they are constantly getting 2v1’d. Since the BG/Kain/TC match was so friendly they expect Kain to help them take out JQ.

The real test will be to see how Kain does after facing a losing battle in T1. They haven’t really had to face loses yet other then two weeks to BG but they knew BG would soon be going to T1 and they would be the top server in T2. Being the bottom server and no where to do but down has been to much to take for many servers before them.

KensaiZen.3740:

Well how did you do it with your warrior? did you kite? or did you face tank? which champion was this? etc etc

Can’t tell you how to do it if the details are missed out. Hell at lvl 31 it might have been best to put 30 into valor and then you can kill anything.

WTB the skill book that allows me to put more then 10 points into anything at this level. Also want to buy the 9 extra trait points he would need to have 30 trait points at this level.

To OP. Like you said. Soloing potential at lvl 31 is no way to compare classes. Some classes start out much stronger then others, while some get much stronger with trait points. My Guard is only lvl 39 so I can’t speak to it accurately regarding solo potential. A good example is Mesmer though. At lvl 31 they are getting wrecked by most mobs. Give them 70 traits to spend and some decent(even non-exotic) gear and they become soloing machines with the right build.

drwookie.6391:

crewthief.8649:

VOLKON.1290:

BakaOniiChan.9564:

Pmetheus.5397:

BakaOniiChan.9564:

SFShinigami.2015:

I like the part where you completely ignore the moral of the story and continue on with your kitten

Just because something isn’t in the rules, doesn’t mean it is the right thing to do.

RIGHT THING TO DO? YOU ARE IN WvW correct? WHAT DO U DO? YOU FIGHT THE OTHER SERVERS. There is a reason why names are red… BECAUSE THEY ARE YOUR ENEMY!… If ANet intended for you not to kill them then they wouldn’t make your oppositions name red. I don’t get what you guys are getting at here. You guys set up a place to fight an unofficial place an “unwritten rule” and expect people not to go there to kill you guys. No place is off limits. Players can be anywhere at any time. If you saw 40 red names in front of you, you aren’t going to go see what they are doing… you are going go there and prepare to fight.

Calm the kitten down kiddo. You’re embarrassing your server. That being said, if you are that adamant about not following a general code of conduct that we in the guild wars community abide by, maybe this game isn’t for you. I hear there are certain games in the genre of FPS that caters to your demographic.

Edited for spelling

Maybe it isn’t but I’m here anyways playing the game the way it is intended. I’m not embarrassing anyone. No code of conduct anywhere states no one can interrupt a GvG going on. So when you are done trying to play mommy, how about actually playing WvW the way it is intended and give us more loot bags?

To be fair, the degree of self-righteous indignation you’re displaying over being called for what many consider an act of bad sportsmanship could easily be seen my many associated with you by server as embarrassing indeed. You forget the example set in World War II in Germany. On Christmas day, troops from both sides laid down arms, came together and celebrated Christmas together on the field of battle. There were no “written rules”, they just did what was the right thing to do.

Um…Not sure about this. I’m aware that on Christmas Day, 82nd and 101st Soldiers could hear the Germans singing Christmas Carols in their foxholes. But actually coming together and having egg nog and celebrating…lol, not sure that’s historically accurate. The event i’m speaking of was during the Battle of the Bulge, in the Ardennes Forest. Of course, there was a ceasefire that day…so that much is accurate. But they didn’t join together in any kind of harmonious celebration.

The reference is actually from world war one, on the western front. Soldiers actually did leave their trenches and meet up in the center, exchanging cigarettes and the like. It was mostly in 1914.

Man the skill lag must have been horrendous when those two zergs came together. Though the culling was probably so bad neither of them realized the other zerg was there. They just though they were hanging out in the middle alone.

FallenZippy.8106:

Boulderbolg.3460:

FallenZippy.8106:

Boulderbolg.3460:

FallenZippy.8106:

Regarding the GvG thing , you all know this is “OPEN” world v.s world were “ALL” servers kill each other right .. now dont get me wrong i love the occasional duel on 1v1 or 5 v5 that iconic guild douse with other bg jq guilds but whekittenerg rushes in and kills us i dont get kitten y…. do you know why? Because its OPEN PVP! you have to expected to get steamrolled sooner or later and to be honost you all shouldnt be btching about it in the forums becuase wvw was desighned for players to kill each ….telling us we cant interfere in server fights is like telling me not to build my golems or a bird not to fly . I don’y know man but thats my two cents well im out see you on the battlefield with omegas

Lol… us old school DAoC players used to have a standard response to anyone QQ’ing on the VN boards, “Sounds like someone died in a (PvP) zone.” Fear rolled your GvG? Wo/Man up and don’t cry about it, folks!

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I was agreeing with you.

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Edit: because otherwise I’ll get an infraction. Score Update?

Don’t forget not all champions are created equally. Some are more suited to kiting while others are easier to melee down. Guardian doesn’t really have a “ranged” option so it will be hard or take a very long time to solo champs that are typically kited. Before anyone says, “Guardians have ranged weapons.” Yes that is true but there isn’t really a ranged build. The ranged options are designed to help some if you are being kited not to kite something else.

Also Warriors are the easiest class to level. You can basically have your dog level your warrior from 1- 80 for you while you are at work and then have a max level character ready to play. So if you are expecting any class to be as face roll easy as the warrior to level you are in for a rough time. That doesn’t mean guards are hard to level but nothing will compare to the ease of leveling a warrior.

Burl.9567:

Mohmohchan.4120:

this thread is hilarious. 2 gs precursors in 2 days)

I’m surprised we don’t all have precursors already with all the bag talk in this thread.

I swear my Ele is bugged. I can spend hours on my Ele in WvW and never get anything better then a green. I jump on my Mesmer for 30 minutes a get 2 rares. My Ele gets way more loot bags too because of better AoE.

Friday night I was on from reset to 3am CST. I was on my Ele the whole time except for 15-30 minutes on my Mesmer. I emptied my bags on the Ele countless times. My Memser has half a bag full and gets two rares. RNG hates my Ele.

wish.3102:

SOR, you had a mesmer hiding inside our Bay, who is in a spot you can’t get to without hacking. You should tell your people this isn’t acceptable, I doubt choo or any of the other guilds here really want to be labeled cheaters.

It’s hard to tell from that Angle in the screen shot but aht looks like the very common mesmer hiding spot to me or are they higher up then the normal one?

I haven’t done AC yet since the patch but based off of the difficulty of all the other dungeons I highly doubt it is impossible for PuGs.

It does seem kind of stupid that they would make it harder then much higher level dungeons though since it’s supposed to be a lvl 35.

On the issue of poisons that everyone is complaining about. Remember you can remove conditions with Combo’s. One whirling finisher in a light field should take care of the whole party and combo’s are not hard to do in PuGs.

Ungood.3054:

Altho. I had a similar discussion with someone from Tarnished Coast, they gave me a line how they loved losing and were better fiber then T8, well, I’m patient (been in ET willingly for the last 50 days, still new, just started 50 days ago) and I’ll see how they like loosing for the next several weeks, because, well, it looks like BG is lined up to be in T2 for a LONG time, and it looks like they are going to stomping TC for a LONG time as well. We will see how it goes, the fates might be Kind to TC and let them drop to T3, as opposed to being brutally stomped week in and week out, a Kindness that T8 will never see, but I doubt anyone outside T8 really understands that.

SoR faced definite loses for 12 straight weeks and is doing it again for 4 straight weeks now. Not really a good great comparison though because it’s more of a coverage gap issue at this level. So during our Primetime we aren’t massively outnumbered like you are. We just can’t compete when we are offline so I ignore the points.

I won’t begin to claim to know what it’s like for you guys because I’m not there to see how out manned you are.
I do know I have ran around during times were we are heavily outmanned and still had a blast rolling zergs.

Get organized during the times you are on and there is still plenty of fun to be had. Running with unorganized zergs will not be fun though because then size matters.

Ungood.3054:

No, I caught what you said and I disagree with you and you have not given me a single reason to agree with you, it is that simple.

Now, not to be rude, but the number of words you use will not have any bearing on if your point is correct, because, simply put, you do not understand the situation in T8.

The point I made and is still 100% accurate no matter how much you choose to disbelieve is that you can’t judge server value based on who got destroyed less by Kain. Which is what you are trying to do. Kain destroyed us by 450K and destroyed T7 by 500K so we are better. That makes no sense at all.
The margins are so huge and the points you score are so little that literally 1 person killing yaks all week can make up for that point difference of 10K that you scored.
You are stronger because you could potentially have one person with more free time then some of the T7 servers. /rollseyes

Yes. I am sure, Sanctum Rail I am sure had a blast destroying T2, for the grand total of 2 weeks it had to, till it moved to T1, where it fits nicely. Now, Imagine if Sanctum Rail was still in T2, for going on 8 weeks, still winning by 200K point for the last 4 weeks, but not allowed to move to T1 where it belonged, because the 3 people in T1 were locked in.

Do you really think you would even entertain someone from T1 saying no matter how much you win you don’t belong in T1, and that T2 would just get soooooooo destroyed by whoever took your place. Don’t make me laugh at such nonsense.

Blackgate is fitting better into T2 then Sanctum Rail did, that is for sure, and that is what we want in T8. So spare me any line like how we don’t deserve it.

Anyway, good day sir.

ET fell to T8 after imploding and are now consistently getting beat by a server that has only been able to get a win in T8 2 times in 22 weeks. you deserve to be in T8. If you didn’t you’d at the very least be able to beat FC on a regular basis.

Your above comparison doesn’t apply. A better comparison would be how SoR lost to SoS and then BG for 12 weeks. We couldn’t move past 5th ranked because of coverage gaps. We knew we had coverage gaps.
We didn’t say because BG had better coverage then us we deserved to be in T1. We said we need to fill our gaps before we move to T1. Which is what we did after SBI collapsed. We filled some gaps and got to move into T1. Where we are just as out manned now as we were in T2 for 12 weeks.

Honestly I agree with you Glicko is broken, but using T8 servers to prove it is stupid because last place is never going to be balanced. Trying to claim you somehow belong in T7 because your face got smashed in less by an opponent then T7 also is stupid. If you could consistently beat FC then I might entertain that but FC can’t get a 1st place finish in T8 and they do better then you most weeks.