Guild Wars 2

Mindtrick.5190:

Also any guild leaving SOS that’s not NA should have gone to SOR. But you know how cool kids act. This is by far one of the worst community’s of gamers. It’s pretty much call of duty after school special. That pod cast / web site dedicated to drama is also laughable, really prx?

I’m a half naked norn thief come at me

Though I would like to see our coverage gaps closed more then they are I don’t agree with this statement. I can see why some guilds would choose BG instead of SoR. Though we both have an huge Oceanic gap BG seems to have better EU coverage then we do. So SoS Oceanic’s going to BG has the potential to make a server that would be more competitive for JQ.
We haven’t BG in a while so it’s hard to say but I think with their recent additions they might be able to give JQ a good challenge.
I think even if SoR got all of SoS non-NA coverage we still would have a big enough gap we wouldn’t be able to beat JQ. There were just to many times they were able to tick 695 these last few weeks. After mergers 0+0 still equals 0, granted SoS was going through some turmoil so that played a part.

Secondly is they would have gone to SoR there would have been an equal number of people bashing them for going to another server in T1 so it’s a lose/lose for them.

It will be interesting to see what happens with BG in T1 though. I suspect the 1st week or 2 they will be gunning for SoR so I anticipate JQ will still run away with the match.

Ungood.3054:

Orikx.9671:

Do realize they moved up because of War Machine, and whoever else transfering there and stacking the server? They are in T2 now and doing very well. You think FC would stand a chance against BG?

I am well aware of that, and iirc War Machine joined them before they left T8, In fact, you can see a very distinct and definitive jump Kaineng’s numbers between week 49 and 50, which was before they left T8.

So yes. I can use their numbers from T8 to T2, and compare each of the opponents they fought and get a fairly apt reading.

Orikx.9671:

LOL, you are using Kaineng moving out of T8 and domianting T7 as an example that T8 has fight?

Yes, that is exactly what I am doing.

I am showing a direct comparison on how well each tier did against the same opponent

Now if you counter to that is to say that T7 are the bigger cowards because they ran and hid at the thought of facing Kaineng as opposed T8 fighting it out with them, well, I won’t disagree, that is for GoM and HoD to defend themselves.

But, that does not change the fact that Sorrows, a T7 (and sometimes placing 2nd) lost to Ferg when they first moved down, That means, at the time, FC was comparable to a T7 world, after being demoralized by Kaineng.

I know my first post was way to long so you probably missed it so i will try to do it in not so many words.

Obviously I know they were in T8 if I am telling you you can’t use the T8 and T7 beatings Kaineng put down as a comparison.

You can’t use Kaineng destroying servers as a comparison for how strong servers are. It has nothing to do with T7 being bigger cowards. I clearly said both sides go into cruise mode when the unbalance is that big. Servers dominating take a break or don’t go as hard. So one week they might have started costing Saturday and another week started coasting Sunday.
When the unbalance is that huge that 10K means nothing. 10K is the difference between 59 points/hour, not per tick but per hour. That can be accounted for by taking 1 camp per tick and killing a few yaks. 2 motivated people can split up and easily go and flip a camp right before the tick and then kill a yak and account for that. When they are ticking 695 they aren’t defending camps.
Since my snake analogy didn’t see to sink in lets try this.

You kill 2 people in a fight. You drop a 500lb bomb on both of them. Just because you are able to find a few more pieces of one of them doesn’t make that person stronger.

You are correct though. There is nothing either of us can do about it so it doesn’t really matter how much we debate it. Hopefully the WvW will bring some interesting/exciting changes in March.
Until then all you can do is enjoy the fights you are in and not worry about the score. You will notice even in T1 it’s unbalanced and we have no chance of winning because of coverage gaps. I have a blast fighting while I am on though and don’t worry about the points.

I’m not sure what size of zergs SF is able to field but if you were on ET back when they were in T1 you should know an organized force of 5-10 can easily wipe 20 people. Get some guildies, build your group to compliment each other and go stick it to some SF folks and forget about the score.

Edit: I didn’t do a very good job of keeping ti short, lol.

I have zero problem with confusion Mesmers on my D/D Ele and don’t understand how and Ele could.

I didn’t realize it was possible to have so much condition removal on 1 character until playing a D/D Ele.
Swith to water attunement, condition gone.
Use a cantrap, get regeneration, condition gone.
If I have multiple conditions on me I have cleansing flame that removes 3 conditions plus gives me regen which removes another condtion.

That’s 3 condition removals from my utilities granted decent CD’s of 45+ seconds. and a Removal on a 9 1/4 second CD(which removes 2) when attuning to water.

I’ve literally have my condition bar filled with a see of red going against confusion spamming zergs that use Nerco’s to bury the stacks and spread it and can have all the conditions off me in a second.

katz.8376:

who would i want to face? at this point, ANYONE ELSE. that about cover it for ya?

Remember what Kaineng did score wise before they left? They are a T2 server. Arguably right now there are 1 maybe 2(BG after recent transfers) T1 servers and 3 maybe 4 T2 servers.
“ANYONE ELSE” – You think SF is on par with JQ/BG/SoS/SoR/Kain/TC? Or for that matter even T3 servers who have some solid guilds.
If SF was so strong they would sling shot out of T8 just like Kain did. Glicko is horrible but all it takes is a complete blowout or two to jump a tier.

Ungood.3054:

Week 52

Kaineng – 501
Ferg – 48
Eredon – 38

This was the absolute worst they had done against Kaineng as well, this was after many weeks of loosing.

The very next Next Week:
Week 1

Lets see how well Tier 7 fairs against Kaineng
Tier – 7
Kaineng – 548
GoM – 36
HoD – 26

Tier – 8
Sorrows – 211
Ferg – 215
Eredon – 189

What do we see. Ok. Well Tier 7, while they lost horribly against Kaineng (No one is surprised) the real issue here, is they did WORSE then T8 Did against Kaineng at T8’s worst score.

No, look at that, the top two T7 worlds did worse on their opening fight (which is normally when a world does it’s best) then the bottom two T8 worlds did on their worst fight (after losing for 3 weeks straight) .. oh.. and Sorrows, which had been a mostly 2nd place World in T7, Oh yah. They lost too to a T8 world, Ferg in fact.

So, pretty much the week Kaineng moved out of T8, everyone in T7 lost their match to a T8 world.

So spare me any nonsense that T8 does not have fight in them.

Incoming wall of text.
TL:DR – ANet can’t help FC, FC needs to help FC.

LOL, you are using Kaineng moving out of T8 and domianting T7 as an example that T8 has fight? Do realize they moved up because of War Machine, and whoever else transfering there and stacking the server? They are in T2 now and doing very well. You think FC would stand a chance against BG?
You can’t use any of the Kaineng fights(after they got stacked) as a way of comparing servers. When matches are that unbalanced both sides start coasting. Players go do PvE that they’d never normally do during a close match. They level alts or take lowbies into WvW.
Saying one server got destroyed less by Kaineng means they are better is like saying one mouse lasted 5 seconds against the rattle snake while the other only lasted 4 so the 5 second one is clearly stronger. The snake could have been slightly more full then normal and taking it’s time or could have choked on the tail.

If you look at the match history ET and FC have consistently performed very similarly. SF has gradually done better and better each week while ET and FC stay very close in points.
Which is more likely to be happening?
1) SF has been gradually getting more and more WvW transfers to T8 server over the course of 8 weeks. Keeping in mind they are Very High pop so people would have to pay approximately 30 gold to transfer there for the last 4 weeks.
2) ET and FC WvW players are gradually losing interest in WvW from getting beat week after week. So they either play less or switch servers. We’ve seen this happen time and time again on multiple servers. Look at the servers that have fallen from T1 or 2 way down the ladder because people got tired of losing and transferred off. ET, IoJ, SBI are perfect examples.

Might there be a server out there that you are a match for in points that just hasn’t fallen all the way down yet after imploding? Yes that is possible. More likely though is you are just the last place server so the people that want to WvW are going somewhere they can have fun because FC isn’t going to be it. No amount of changes to the system ANet does is going to make it “fair” for FC and spending time trying to balance the WvW around 1 server that it can’t help isn’t a smart use of resources.

Is the WvW points system great? No, far from it. You could argue it’s not even good. The point system isn’t whats hurting FC though. It’s the fact that it’s just not a WvW server for whatever reason. All games have servers that have more PvE players or more PvP players. Like minded people go to where other like minded people are. People who want great PvP tend to not go to the last place server.
So unless some of guilds decides they want to try to elevate a server from last to first, which isn’t likely now with paid transfers, get used to the fact that most of your matches are going to be a loss.

Really though at that level 1 decent sized, organized guild can make a huge impact. So you could also do some recruiting, get some practice. Maybe look to the T1 and 2 servers for advice on strats you may not have thought of and you could possibly turn the tide.
We saw this with War Machine couple times. They would take a week off to practice and transfer to Kaineng mid week. The match would go from a blowout to very close and then they’d transfer back off. and Kaineng would get blown out again.
Stop blaming ANet for you being last place though. There is always going to be a last place and usually it’s going to be by a big margin in a game like this. 3 faction battles help with that a little but they don’t fix it entirely.

Psychotic EGG.1376:

This would then fix big servers just kitten us little guys. And would then mix up who you are against from time to time as the numbers flux.

If you are either in FC, then you know what I mean, or are on another server in the same boat, like Eredon Terrace. Make a comment stand up. Get Arenanet to fix this.

No offense but in the history 1 week matches FC has only won 2 matches out of 22 matches. The 1 week match ups were matched up based on the 24 hours matches which had FC ranked low also. Which means FC lost a lot of 24 hour matches against many different servers.

Several weeks ago SF used to be a decent match up for you balance wise you even beat them in a close match. Since then you have been getting beat worse and worse. Most likely because losses are causing people to not WvW or transfer servers.

ET a server that fell from the top getting destroyed week after week all the way down due to losing masses of players is now even beating FC.

Basically there isn’t a server that would be a good match for you anymore. You have been beat time and time again by many different servers and by servers that have been destroyed by the other competition. It wouldn’t matter who you go up against at this point. The result will be the same.

Last week FC never even managed over 155 PTT the entire week. If you can’t get more then 155 against SF and ET then you wouldn’t like to see how ugly it will be against other servers.

Unfortunately there is nothing ANet can do to fix your problem. There is always going to be a worst server and the sad truth is it’s FC right now. Doesn’t mean it always will be but for now it is. There isn’t going to be a good match because there is no equal to you ATM. Regardless if it’s numbers, skill, luck…whatever you want to blame it on. The bottom ranked servers are beating you so there is no one else lower to put you against.

A Quick look at match history shows ET who is a close matchup for FC got domianted in T7.
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/30/#history

Looks like it’s a different ND then i was thinking. My apologies.

Rawnoodles.1398:

JP is the best way to get free siege!

Playing the TP and buying siege is a better method. I personally love jumping puzzles but even i can’t be bothered to do the PvP puzzles anymore for siege. I’m to lazy I guess. As soon as I step foot in BL the only thing on my mind is killing.

Burl.9567:

The same can be said for SoS and SoR as well. I think a SoS – SoR – BG fight would be a great matchup. Unfortunately, we will never see it.

Not really SoR has two gaps( 1 1/2) to fill in order to be able to challenge JQ. Our Oceanic is non-existent but we are light during EU also. Especially early EU. To really challenge JQ we have about a 12 hours gap that needs filled some parts more then others.

SoS could probably do it with more EU. Sounds like BG could probably do it with more Oceanic(not sure since we haven’t seen the new BG).

I think a SoS/SoR/BG matchup would be epic NA Prime time fights. I think SoS would run away with the score though because BG and SoR wouldn’t be able to stand up to their Oceanic presence. BG and SoR would probably battle for PTT during EU keeping each other low. So SoS would be ticking 600+ for 5ish hours a day and BG and SoR would never tick more then 400ish.

A lot of people talking about how even T2 is so close. Personally I think it looks like it could be pretty boring.

The only thing keeping it close is BG and Kain huge coverage gaps during each others main coverage. So they take turns turning the map all one color during Sea/EU. Then TC comes on during NA and keeps BG from completely turning the map green during that time. Based on the points progression on Mos it looks like Kain is basically just WM and no one fight at any other time.

I’d rather have JQ destroy us in points but have good fights during NA Prime then have a close match with Kain with neither server having much opposition.

EasymodeX.4062:

What this game really needs is a website output that displays points acquired per player, points acquired per guild, points per death, kills per death.

Then we could have a hell of a lot of fun comparing IRS.

But then this game would have to have points …

I dread the day they ever even think about putting something like this in. Keeping track of peoples k/d ratio does nothing but kill good fights. People are to worried about their ratio to ever fight a fight unless they know they are going to win.

Track total kills all you want but never track K/D ratios.

Reize.2176:

Im from SoS and i hope SoR bloody well gets more points by the end of this season so our server can drop a tier ASAP.

I’d rather let Blackgate deal with JQ thank you very much.

You are going to be waiting a LONG time. Unless a server in T1 or T2 implodes the top two tiers are going to stay this way for a long time. T2 matches are close enough that no one is getting major points and T1 is close enough that no one if losing major points.

DeadlyRush.1620:

Does not add up. As you can see, your angle only hits the side wall. The picture clearly shows that the circle is centered on the siege.

It’s pretty widely known that there is a place you can put an arrow cart to target stuff behind the wall through the gate crack. Where that exact placement is I’m not positive because I’ve never bothered to build it myself. I don’t know that I personally would call it an exploit. Especially since it is being used to take out siege on the back side of a door that is also hitting stuff it has no LoS on. If you’re ok with using one then the other should be ok too IMO.

wish.3102:

MagiKarp.8201:

I found a solution for your problem, have all the SoR guilds join SoS meaning your coverage gaps are filled and we can beat JQueue together

I support this idea.

@Orikx
And my point wasn’t that SOR doesn’t have coverage gaps, just that when you lose all your stuff, you’re not heavily outmanned like you keep claiming. Showing 20+ people attacking SM is proof of my point. You wouldnt take 20 people and attack SM if the other team was rolling around with 50+ and kicking you around, which is what would of been happening to SOR if they were outmanned.

Your “20+ people” is 15 people and a few Ranger pets to add up to 20. Showing people attacking SM proves nothing. If you think it does you don’t have a firm grasp of how this game works.
You could have a Zerg of 50+ people on each of the other 3 borderlands sweeping everything before you head into EB. I’m not saying that is the case I’m just saying your pictures you keep trying to show prove nothing. I could run around with 5 random people looking for a zerg and then when I get run over take kitten and claim that our server is out manned. All while we have a zerg of 70 running around anywhere else on the map kitten everything and everyone.

What is more likely is JQ has a few large guilds during off hours(EU hours since SoS seems to have gotten their Oceanic back) that are able to run around from map to map taking everything and leave a few defenders behind as scouts. If this is the case I do not know because I don’t play during those hours. That is just typically how it works during off hours. 1 or 2 decent size guilds can make all the difference if the opponent doesn’t have any.

If you can muster the same random 15-20 puggers on the map as the enemy but have 1 or 2 guilds 30 strong jumping between maps wiping the pugs that is all it takes to turn a map one color when the enemy doesn’t have any coverage.

You seem to be the only person that doesn’t realize this. Your own server even acknowledges it and tells us to recruit rather then whine about it. For some reason you seem to be stuck in the dream world that we don’t have gaping coverage wholes and you are able to tick 600+ ptt because our zergs of equal size are just that awful.

Though I guess that is what happens when you jump around from winning server to winning server. You probably want to give yourself an excuse for being a bandwagon player so you tell yourself you are the reason JQ can PPT 600+ and that you transferring there to bandwagon made all the difference.

wish.3102:

Ok, ok, 1 more.

Who would push SM if they were heavily outnumbered? (SOR actually has more people than JQ in this picture) Anyway, these pictures are all taken on different days, none of them Saturday or Sunday (I think the EB keep picture is from Monday) And not only that but they all are taken around your 8am time.

You didn’t really get trolled, but if you look at the time in the picture its close to 9am EST, and it’s only 8:20 right now, lol.

Showing a random group of 15 Pugs doesn’t really prove your point. Even if it was 20 Pugs they managed to pull together still wouldn’t prove the point you are trying to make that we don’t have a giant coverage gap.
You’ve already produced screen shots yourself of FoO pulling together a group bigger then that of just FoO members. So your own screen shots prove you wrong.

Also, I’m not sure if you are aware but there are 4 WvW maps. Showing we are able to muster 15 Pugs on EB of all maps also doesn’t prove we don’t have a coverage gap. If anything that proves we do. Since EB tends to get the largest group of Pugs across all time slots on all servers and we only had 15 in that picture and 10 in your other picture.

On a side note. We are supposed to have some Oceanic coverage that we picked up before moving to T1. It would appear they are no match for SoS’s Oceanics though or they aren’t showing up.

wish.3102:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

(it was an awesome 3 way fight until JQ decided to go PvDoors).

I love how you say this in a derogatory way, like your server is above PvDooring. But just today when you took all of JQ BL, you did when you had 50+ people and JQ had 10~. That’s about as PvD as you can get.

Anyway, my reason for posting is not to laugh at you, really. It’s to yell at the JQ community. You guys are bad and you should feel bad. Today I was ashamed to be a part of JQ. This is the first time in like a month I’ve played WvW in the NA afternoon, and I was appalled at how effing terrible you all are. EMP failed to mount any sort of offense a few times and gave up. 90% of the players in the maps I was on wouldn’t get on teamspeak or listen to directions. And worse than that, the big guilds weren’t even in the BL channels on TS like they were to good to hang out with people not in their guild.

JQ, seriously, this is not how you win. Quit being pathetic, start working together, and communicating with each other. And for Gods sake, quit turning and running the moment the enemy has people around who want to attack you. That’s the fastest way to die.

All that talk of SOR besting JQ in NA time is true. I’m glad I played today at this time to see it for myself. JQ NA is pathetic, I even got to hear some drama in-server fighting on teamspeak, it was great. And remember, no matter how much those JQ guilds say crap like “we’re in it for the points,” if you ask me, from what I see, they just gave up and ran away. It’s a good thing you guys have FoO to carry you, cause Wahas crew actually knows how to fight people of equal numbers and put up points.

I’m aware that I’m angry right now with how bad JQ did tonight, and that this post will probably get deleted, but hopefully some people see it, and it makes them shape up, stop making excuses, and try to better the server. Because at this rate, it won’t be long before a bunch of people get tired of JQ and transfer off. I know if I played WvW at this time of day, every day, I would of left a long time ago.

One last thing, if you SOR people are “just in it for the fights” what is stopping you from chasing your desired guilds you want to fight across maps? If JQ, the king of Queues can move whole guilds across maps during NA prime time, why can’t you? Is it because your server is stacked during NA time and JQs aren’t?

Whatever happened to those Screen Shots you were going to produce that showed our off hours having tons of people defending? Oh thats right you couldn’t because you were trolling then and now you are trolling your own server.

wish.3102:

Remember that SS I posted last week of my 2900~ badges? Well, it’s 3900~ now. Thanks so much SOS and SOR. I only play WvW for five or so hours a day too.

Your bank is so organized. Mine is a mess.

To those getting hurt by the Term PUG. There is nothing negative about it. PUG = “Pick up group” though you may have slightly different ideas of what a pug is in WvW the basic premise is a random grouping of people.

PUGS can be on TS. I’ve had PUGS that all joined the same TS to be slightly more organized. In the end we are still just a random pairing of people that haven’t spent much time together.
Usually I would consider a PUG to be anyone not in my guild but given the nature of WvW it is possible to be grouped with people outside your guild that aren’t a pug. Especially where community TS is concerned. There might be a group you regularly run with that aren’t in your guild but you fight with them enough you know their play style so it’s not really a pug anymore.

Were JQ is concerned they have a very active community TS, or at least used to when I was on the server so I assume they still do. So even their “PUG’s” can be very organized as long as there is someone to lead them. This I believe is part of what has kept them in T1 for so long. Their pugs can be very effective with one decent leader getting them to objectives.

Kelo.4370:

Veil is a problem and nothing you or anyone else says can overshadow that problem.

Yes because all of these “OP” skills that the Mesmer has now leave the Mesmer with one of two options. No condition removal or no stun break.

So they can sacrifice any amount of survival ability to have abilities with huge cool downs. That seems like a pretty fair trade off.

Of course since you play Ele/Thief you aren’t really familiar with this concept of Survival for utility trade off because you are used to having both.

Don’t try to claim that Veil and Portal are their survival skills because if they use them for that then they aren’t using them to “Stealth the whole server.” It’s one or the other with abilities with this long of a cool down. If you want to use it as support you have to save it for when it’s needed. If you use it to keep yourself alive then it’s not there for support needs.

kuora.5402:

2 more days T-T

Some people know what I’m talking about -3-

I assume you are talking about my Birthday. Thanks!

Edit: Someone posted a response on the 18th and I thought the original was posted on the 18th. Never mind my b-day isn’t until the 20th.

Burl.9567:

MarMaster.6241:

Kryyg.8576:

Horrible video. You need some lessons on how to play.

Left some loot bags on the ground, needs to work on that.

I’m terrible at that. I’m sure I’ve left at least a half dozen precursor’s on the ground.

Same. I never think to spam my loot key. Even with this new chest system i still don’t notice them on the ground. I’ve gone back to areas to find 2 or 3 chests on the ground. Had the battle continued I would have never seen them.

waha.4921:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgxhNBgEToI

fight with sor

Waha

Is that really all a warrior does in PvP? Run around spamming 1 and occasionally hitting 3? This is a serious question as I have not played one. Or is it just Hammer warriors that would be this boring to play?

In that 27 min video I don’t think i ever saw # 2 and 4 on CD and 5 was on CD maybe twice.

I predict ANet will either prolong the WvW updates to the point there there is a mass exodus our they will half kitten it to the point where there is a mass exodus long before JQ or SoR get bored.

DivineBeing.2086:

Wow, I wonder which posts are completely bias’d?

“Started with chest thumping from a particular server that pvdoor’d uncontestedly for 16 hours”…

The truth is, SoR is extremely prideful (extremely) of their NA coverage and believe they should be in tier 1. BG’s SEA coverage completely obliterated SoR which made it impossible for SoR to move up.

That is the truth. Now, who started the forum wars is really up in the air andhonestly does not matter.

Please don’t take the bait SoR.

wish.3102:

Ya, to bad I cant upload the whole thing without making 15 posts.

But anyway, this what SOR refers to as JQ PvDing them.

Congratz you guys took a tower that was defended. You realize people take unupgraded towers with defense all the time right? I don’t think anyone said JQ can’t take a tower that is defended. If you never took a single tower undefended you wouldn’t be able to make it into T1 no matter how big your numbers.

PvD refers to the 8-10 hours were we have no one online or are very scarce.

Taking a picture of the time frame when we start to have people log on to prove that we have numbers during our coverage gap doesn’t make much sense.

I still don’t understand what your post is trying to prove. You might as well take some pictures of our full force toniht around 8-10 Est and say. Look SoR has full coverage. It would be just as logical.

For others out there that might be reading this out of context. I have no problem with JQ winning during our coverage maps. I knew before we came to T1 that we didn’t have the coverage to win. I want to be able to fight in big fights when i am online and that is what I have gotten so I’m enjoying it.

wish.3102:

So I just checked SOR BL, they have as many people on it as I have seen from JQ. (theres like 7-8 more up at the door you cant see in this picture) There’s also no Q to get onto this map on JQs side.

Traditionally this is when we start picking back up and taking things back. It just takes a while because everything is fully upgraded and the enemy has had time to put up siege. Our strongest time is obviously NA Prime but this is when people start trickling in. A quick glance at Mos can show that.

What point were you trying to make? No one said SoR is outnumbered 24/7.

Edit: We generally don’t start picking back up for another 2 hours or so according to Mos. Some of that time is probably accounted for by trying to flip upgrade/defended towers but I have no idea since I’m not on at this time.

hex.3218:

Let me try this again… and not be too ‘inflamatory’ or ‘rude’.

We held the PPT and the points lead the whole time you ‘capped’ our BL. If you were even on at that time, and in JQ BL, then you were proving your skill against a half empty map.

But it doesn’t even matter, because true skill is meaured in the open field, and we all know and openly admit who is the best in the open field.

It went:

SBI
JQ
BG

everyone else.

Then SBI broke up. Half went to SoR, half to JQ (this has been confirmed by most former SBI players from BOTH JQ and SoR).

So, now the top 3 are the same, except SBI is gone and SoR is somewhere in the mix.

I’d put it as:

JQ
BG
SoR

Your mileage will vary.

If you care to test this notion, name the BL and give us one day’s notice and pick a neutral time (NA Prime works), and we’ll be there.

Well not that I would defend anything Kefro would say but most of your response is wrong.

When we capped your BL we held top PTT. In fact we held it for about 8-10 hours yesterday evening into the night. It wasn’t until about 12:00 – 1:00am that you took top PTT. I don’t know the exact time because we still had it when i logged and Mos appears to be in PST but not sure.

As for Open Field Battles. Hoots covered it pretty well but if we are so horrible at open Field as you say then what does that say for your guilds on JQBL last night that got repeatedly wiped time and time again. We had our forces split between 3 keeps so we couldn’t have out manned them. Yet with superior numbers they got decimated over and over at Garrison. I only played for about 2 hours yesterday but in that 2 hours I don’t know that I ever saw a single downed SoR in the open field battles around Gari and the JQ zerg had superior numbers.
They had a few good pushes into Gari though while we were down south and left a skeleton crew to defend but then we came back and wiped them.

Normally I wouldn’t reply to post likes this but if you are going to throw out these claims that you are so superior in open field then prepare to be called out.

thewanderer.8561:

I wonder if this is Anet’s intention of how people should think in WvW. Because really seems like a legit and logical way to do things to be competitive and win. Timezone wars: Pretty much find the timezone where you can pvdoor the most then hit the timezone hard with overwhelming force. It’s not a bad thing to do. Seems like it’s just the way the game mechanics encourages people to do.

The answer is yes. This is how ANet sees the game. There used to be a sticky for this.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Night-Capping-and-YOU/first#post288558

This depends on how you are basing the fight. If you just took today’s JQ against yesterdays HoD then JQ would win hands down because strategies have evolved so much since when HoD was in power.

HoD would have a learning curve to try to catch up to what the new meta is. Even though zergballs and hammer trains are easy to counter they would have never seen them before and would be getting wiped in many battles until they had time to adapt.

Now if you look at it from the perspective of HoD has still been together for the last 4 months and facing off against JQ it’s hard to say. First of I’m sure there is a fair number of HoD still left on JQ so that in it’s self makes it hard to say.

HoD and JQ have similar coverage. T1 as a whole has much better coverage now though so JQ can’t dominate as much as HoD did.

HoD was a very organized server in a time when servers were still learning so that made them even more dominant. People just weren’t used to facing stuff like what they did back then. Now everyone knows the game well has been given time to learn and adapt to strats so it’s much harder to roll over other servers.

It would come down to who can organize their PuGs better. From what I saw, I was never on HoD but played them. They didn’t work well with PuGs. During peak times when there were tons of pugs on and they couldn’t get their guilds on they would fall apart. JQ has a public TS and works with PuGs so they would probably win.

kefro.9312:

Nice score JQ
Congrats on the 1st place
:)

Says that guy that has jumped to every server to try to be in first. I’m sure it’s no coincidence that you were on SoS less then a month ago when they were winning all the time. Then you happened to be on JQ while they were winning.

I bet if we had a way of checking it would show you joined SoR around the end of last weekend when we were ahead in points. Please do us all a favor and go back to JQ sooner rather then later.

Art.9820:

Orikx.9671:

Art.9820:

Art.9820:

SoR posters

There you go buddy.

plu·ral [ploor-uhl]
adjective
1.
consisting of, containing, or pertaining to more than one.

And again I requote myself

Art.9820:

everyone is guilty of something

Don’t make me go and see “all your messages”

You are more then welcome too if you think that will prove something. All I can imagine it proving is that you are a troll.

As I said. Go troll elsewhere.

It’s a shame this thread had to be ruined so early on by trolls like this guy and Kefro. Well maybe the new one that gets started after this one is closed won’t be so bad.

To stay on Topic so i don’t get infractions.
Anyone have a score update?

The first time you have an enemy spy build 100 rams in a supply camp and siege cap you, you’ll be happy it disappears. Tap it to keep it active.

Art.9820:

covenn.7165:

Art.9820:

haha so much rage from SoR posters, just give em a couple weeks till they settle in T1, well if they are able to resist, I just want SoS to wake up they are our real challenge

You need to try again, you missed a whole lot.

Missed what? everything started after someone from SoR posted aggresive comments, after that is just defensive and sarcastic posts, don’t play the fool buddy, seems like you don’t understand what is action and reaction, everyone is guilty of something :P but w/e, now I wonder who is getting mad heh

That guy has spent more time on JQ server then the less then 1 week he has spent on SoR so really it’s JQ that started the aggressive comments.

On a serious note. Art go troll somewhere else.

Tarin Twisted.4183:

Burl.9567:

Most of us on SoR play for the fights and to have a good time. We could care less about coming in first. If it happens, it happens….but it isn’t our goal each time we go out there and brawl.

I mean yeah, everyone plays games to have fun but I would expect most people on your server to consider winning a big part of that. It may not be very realistic, but the goal must be to win right?

Just not sure I am buying the whole if it happens it happens thing. People that play in T1 on one of the top servers in the game investing tons of time, effort and in game currency on something that has no reward other than winning makes the statement hard to believe. If it were true it is disappointing. I would hope that anyone in the top tier is there for the primary reason to take top spot.

Regardless…good fights!

In a game where 1 person or realistically even 1 guild have so little effect on win or lose a lot of people are likely to take this approach. The only thing you can control as an individual is the fights you are in. Even if you can manage to play 24 hours a day that is still only 1/4 of the maps that you have even the slightest amount of control over.

So you win the fights you can win. You take all the keeps you can take while you are online and until your server has the coverage to compete 24/7 you don’t sweat the small stuff. You take each fight one at a time. Once you have the coverage then it’s not only your responsibility to win your fights but to set the next set of coverage int he best situation you can. Upgrading keeps for them to hold etc…

Then you can maybe start to get more frustrated if your server isn’t winning, but into you have the coverage it is completely out of your hands so why get mad about it?

Art.9820:

haha so much rage from SoR posters, just give em a couple weeks till they settle in T1, well if they are able to resist, I just want SoS to wake up they are our real challenge

You realize the majority of the rage is SoS posters right? That and the 1 SoR poster(Kefro) that has been on like 15 different servers in the last month including JQ 1 week ago and SoS before that.

VOLKON.1290:

Last night wasn’t Friday night last I checked. I’m talking about out-of-the-gate Friday night and our subsequent recovery, how we weren’t broken or demoralized and came back quite well from the punch in the nose, which appears to have broken the other servers will heading into the remainder of the weekend and on into the week.

I kept my mouth shut(keyboard shut?) while you made post after post about some coordinated 2v1 that didn’t exist but this garbage was just to much.

I don’t know what will you think you broke of SoR but maybe you missed the 8-10 hours we were top PPT last night. Most of which we were ticking 300+. That hardly seems like you broke anyones will to me.

We’ve faced 3 months of logging on to all our keeps reset and having to fight our way back up. This is nothing new to us on SoR if you think you somehow were able to break our will after 1 night you are sorely mistaken.

While I’m at it. To the guy with a TC alt trying to preach to SoR about not giving up and learning from TC. TC has a great group of players but SoR has done it for FAR longer then you. You should hope that TC has the same spirit to survive it like SoR did(which i believe they do). For 12 straight weeks we lost to SoS and then BG because we didn’t have the coverage. We came out night after night and fought back to top PTT through reinforced walls and gates, keeps with max supply. Knowing that it would all get taken away that night. So please don’t tell us we need to learn from SoS.

Just because one guy transferred from JQ to SoR(kefro) and is now running his mouth because he can’t handle it doesn’t mean you have any idea what SoR is about.

Sifu.6527:

Cake.4920:

Sifu.6527:

Farout.8207:

I don’t think there should be an AoE limit at all. If you are too stupid to get out of the fire you deserve to burn!

Hi, can you let me know where the red circle is for the following AOE?

Meteor Shower
Mesmer Feedback
Mesmer TimeWarp
Guardian Symbols
etc

lmao

Meteor shower has meteors raining
feedback is a giant kittening purple circle, sometimes its hard to tell whose side casted it, but just pay attention
TW doesnt do dmg
symbols do have the red circle, if they don’t they are friendly

Thats the thing. You can’t tell if it friendly or hostile.

Meteor shower has a red circle on cast but disappear after cast. AOE comming down but don’t know who the kitten it belongs to. Sometimes it obvious, something it is not.

TW does no damage, but it will inflict confusion due to combo field. Again, how the kitten do you tell if it hostile or friendly?

Some Gaurdian symbols are missing the red circle.

This is kind of off topic but they need to do a better job of letting us know which spells belong to which side.

I sometimes shoot at a feedback bubble thinking it is ours…

Since when did it become to much to ask for people to pay attention to their Health Bar. If you are getting hit by Meteors falling out of the sky and your health bar is taking dmg then move. If you see an enemy swinging widely and you aren’t sure the range of their attack you don’t stand next to him taking dmg saying I don’t see a red circle.

In fact I can’t think of a single PvP game that I have ever played that gave you a nice bright red circle to let you know to move out of the way. The only time I have ever seen that is in PvE stuff and they do that because there are effects that can 1 shot an entire raid.

I don’t know why people want developers to dumb the game down so much. It’s like people want the mechanics to be as simple as Rock/Paper/Scissors but with huge flashy effects when you lay down that paper.

I have no idea what CNY if anyone happens to kill me 1v1 it is because of CNY.

Thobek.1730:

perhaps we should spread the word and see if we can get this happening?

NEXT WEEK SoS+SoR vs JQ.

Might be quite interesting dynamic working with another server.

I highly doubt you will be able to get this going. SoR is well known for not wanting to team with other servers. In T2 losing week after week to BG players from IoJ purposed a 2v1 several times and got flamed by us for it.

We like our 3 way fights to much.

wish.3102:

The only 3 way fights I saw take place during the weekend were inside the keeps JQ owned/used to own.

Perhaps try getting outside of your own keep walls then and participating in all the other fights going on all over the map in open field and other servers Keeps.

wish.3102:

Orikx.9671:

For SoS and SoR to truly take on JQ they would have to do it during the weekend also to get a big points lead.

If it stays close during the weekend then all JQ has to do is cherry pick points from whichever server is lightest in each map to come from behind. That is basically what happened at the start of this week. Monday they took points from SoS and Tuesday they took points from SoR to catch up. It doesn’t matter if people try to 2v1 them during off hours because there will always be a weaker server they can get tons a points from.

This is exactly what happened this week, except JQ was only down about 15k or so after the weekend. Then at some point SOS and SOR seemed to stop showing up to WvW and now JQ is way ahead.

This is FAR from what happened this week. There were tons of 3 ways fights going on all over the place especially during the weekend.

If you want me to go find the posts from your fellow JQ’s talking about how great it was to have true three way fights in the tier in this thread I can. Don’t try to pretend like you were 2v1’d all week because everyone knows it’s not true except you apparently.

Thundar.3910:

I’d love to see SoR and SoS take on the monster next week, but only Mon-Fri, all out war on the weekends! Might be fun to see how one monster server fares against 2 slightly smaller monster servers!

That wouldn’t work. For SoS and SoR to truly take on JQ they would have to do it during the weekend also to get a big points lead.

If it stays close during the weekend then all JQ has to do is cherry pick points from whichever server is lightest in each map to come from behind. That is basically what happened at the start of this week. Monday they took points from SoS and Tuesday they took points from SoR to catch up. It doesn’t matter if people try to 2v1 them during off hours because there will always be a weaker server they can get tons a points from.

Topix.6974:

With all the guilds that we have gotten before the free xfers were stopped, we SoR thought we had better coverage. This match up kinda put a damper on the excitement of having decent coverage throughout the day. Which I’m sure after seeing the coverage JQ has, kinda put us in our place.

Coverage is a big part of WvW. Organization is also important. Getting one of our [Choo] commanders to take a PuG group into SM and take it was impressive. When the coverage is close to the same, skill comes into play.

I’m glad we had a match up like this to test the coverage we got with the free xfers. I’m sure we will meet you two again. So watch out for the Train!

Quite frankly if anyone thought we had enough coverage to win T1 they weren’t paying attention to what was actually happening in T1.
JQ got more transfers by a lot then SoR or any other server. SoS already had exceptional coverage. We got enough transfers to put us on par with BG maybe close to SoS coverage wise.

I always thought we had enough coverage to be competitive in T1(which we showed). I didn’t expect us to have the coverage to beat JQ because they are going to be a power house for a long time with the transfers they got.

Just because we don’t have the coverage to win doesn’t mean we should just give up though. We never have before I don’t know why we would choose to now.

Ruin.3461:

You can get along fine with a glass cannon build

Many bunches of downed opponents have gotten rallies off people who thought that. Don’t be the guy that rallies 5+ downed guys.

So back to the Scores. Score update please.
Will JQ take the lead today? I hope we can hold on but that last score update didn’t look promising. SoR was bottom ppt and JQ was just getting started.

Lafiel.9372:

Lol, getting sandwiched between JQ defense and SoR attack while trying to take a keep is quite interesting. Nevertheless, seems like some truce has been established here. Oh well, I appreciate the difficulty of 1 vs 2, else we wouldn’t be SoS

The point of a 3 world system is there is always a 2v1. People see opportunity and they take it. And it’s all perspective on how it looks.

While you were crying that JQ and SoR were teaming up on you there were probably people from JQ and SoR thinking something similar.
JQ people saying SoS and SoR are teaming up to take turns trying to take this keep.
SoR people saying look at SoS helping JQ defend this keep.

Grithan Soulforge.5726:

Oh noes. That dastardly JQ and their smelly euro coverage have foiled our plans! How can we live with ourselves by settling for still being a tier 1 server for the foreseeable future. By not winning we’ll have to face them again… and again… and again… Oh wait.

Signed, PuG on the server who has been Tier 1 so long and facing off against the same servers for so long it doesn’t matter if we come in first or not. Next week would be the same as this week if it wasn’t for the reset.

Was that even English? I see the trolls have started to arrive. To the rest of us that know how to keep it civil lets continue to do so and have a great week. Plenty of fun to be had on all time zones. Look forward to getting home and back out on the battle field….errr…broke kitten queue.

Iohanna.4863:

Please do not use mos.millenium as a source for any further match-up discussion.

It is probable that AreaNet plans to use WvW population activity alongside performance to determine tier rankings. This will effectively secure SoR, SoS and JQ in Tier 1 for the next match-up, due to how well matched up we are.

I’ll take that bet. I personally don’t think there is a chance any one of the three of us makes it to T1 next week. I would love for a repeat of this match though. We seem to be very evenly matched up.

Used to give dmg to the arrow cart. Making siege practically useless for defenses so they changed that. No neither you nor the siege take dmg.

Barab.9016:

hehe maybe we can manipulate the new glicko system to permanently all three stay in t4.

LOL, I was kind of thinking the same thing. In theory if we all stay very close in points. We could be facing each other in a low tier for weeks no one ever losing or gaining a huge amount of points. Meanwhile BG would be hanging out in T1 with no one to fight.