Guild Wars 2

“Your fix would need well thought out proposals for new scales, long testing times, and large amounts of internal testing. It will not end well.”

I was trying to be constructive. Any solution is welcomed. If they want to do away with the “trifecta”, then all classes should be equal. If not then they failed. I think that is a good enough reason to warrant the effort you brought up.

OF course i intend to “farm” (although i didn’t say only path 1). Why else am i doing any dungeon more than once? I can do as much damage as most warriors/thieves and survive better but the idea that im being singled out because i have a different profession… i rather quit. I dont have problems finding groups. I just dont like the implications and generalizing behavior.

Anyways the reason im raising this issue is because i feel that this is bad for the game on many levels in the long run. Its bad enough that some dungeons are so much shorter and easier thus used as gold runs. I dont blame the players for doing the naturally efficient thing. Feel free to discuss with that in mind.

It is becoming a trend for some people to only invite a specific profession for certain dungeons. (ie guardians for fotm, mes&war for CoF). This cant be healthy for the game.

Fix? i propose to quickly introduce more slot skills to boost survivability or DPS of other classes.

The Demonic Spirit.3157:

Orion the Cursed.1206:

yes. you can start with smoke bomb if you engage more than 4 foes at a time, or foes with stun/knock. start with bomb3 then bomb2 if you want more damage. if all else fails run in circles and keep dropping bombs (i killed a champion this way). always kill the range mob first. damage for bomb1 is usually between 600 – 1200 (non-crit) and its aoe.

So you are saying that it’s stronger than traited grenade ? ( without critical attacks )

for solo, PvE & exploration = yes.

The smoke allows you to kill larger mobs (ie5-7 risen) in comparison to grenades (ie. 3-4 risen).

Grenades have the range advantage which is negligible except dungeons where bosses do 1 hit downs. Grenades are also better at stacking vulnerability, at the risk of you being more fragile.

All things considered (in pve) bombs are more efficient.

yes. you can start with smoke bomb if you engage more than 4 foes at a time, or foes with stun/knock. start with bomb3 then bomb2 if you want more damage. if all else fails run in circles and keep dropping bombs (i killed a champion this way). always kill the range mob first. damage for bomb1 is usually between 600 – 1200 (non-crit) and its aoe.

Adding new weapons are a low priority.

I sPvP a lot. Adding 12.5% damage is a bit much. Maybe 5%-7% at first.

Rifles auto attack and grenade1 is good enough as it is.

The rest: random effects should be at least rewarding 50% of the time. A duration increase perhaps.

Experience.

In world PvE the things you have to look out out for are knockdown & stun.

In dungeons, some bosses can do 1 hit downs.

In random PvP, its a lot harder because you dont know the other guys playstyle. Also lag… However a lot of people open with either their strongest attacks or cripple/stun

@blueshield

Its not what i’m unable to grasp. Its that you cant accept that you aren’t entitled to selfishly dictate people to doing what you want. Your idea is bad and a waste of time better spent fixing real issues of the game. If you disagree feel free to report me and start a thread about how you cant mute people on the forums.

@blueshield

Newsflash, children go out of their way to annoy you. Do you think a sensible adult would bother with any of this? How you are acting now, this is what they want. That’s why there’s trolls on the internet. Because like most people, you can’t be the bigger person and let it go. Is it worth wasting time raging about some nameless stranger? Do you actually think you are helping enforcing justice for everyone?

Just politely ask the person to stop or move. And if they refuse just leave. If they use offensive words, report them. Eventually if they dont get any reaction they will give up. If the person acts like a child, treat them as such.

i dont need to be validated here and have no interest in acting out because i dont get my way.

That said, yes they do listen (they have to at some point) but nothing implies that they have to always do things your way. As far as AoE is concerned, hopefully the nerf will only affect skills that are without a doubt imbalanced instead of blindly nerfing all AoE.

Blueshield.6291:

Orion the Cursed.1206:

Its a public place. If you dont like it you can go somewhere else. Same as real life.

That’s simply not ANet’s stance on spamming and exploitation. Nobody offers your argument as an approach to dealing with gold seller spam.

Maybe because its different circumstances? Imagine you in a park and a little boy starts ringing a bell. Are you going to insist that child be arrested? Now replace that person with someone selling stolen goods.

You have so many options. Being so petty as to insist that there is no other solution than the noise maker be punished shows that you are no better off.

Its a public place. If you dont like it you can go somewhere else. Same as real life.

Legendaries aren’t forcing players to grind.

Ascended are.

is it? Nothing wrong with appreciating your customers.

In GW1, players get a present with a random mini on their birthday. It that still on the table?

If it removes 1 condition then it will depend on the order of which they are applied. I cant remember if they are arranged left>right or right<left right now. Players usually stack cheap conditions like bleeding, poison, burn, blind on top of imobilize/ cripple to make them harder to remove.

Aedrah: “I really don’t like people anyways…”

With that attitude, the feeling is mutual.

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Orion the Cursed.1206:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

I fail to see this as anything but a mistake on the player’s part. Transmuting decides what class a weapon will be by what stats are applied in the transmute interface. If you choose to put Exotic weapon stats on a Legendary, the game will create an exotic weapon. That is how it works. Has always worked. Skin does not determine class of the weapon.

Non Issue.

Sigh… The players aren’t making any mistake. Legendaries are only available on the soldier prefix. What if they want a berserker or cleric legendary? Thats why they transmute the Legendary. The problem is said items are now inferior to Ascended items

Actually, they are at fault, since the current transmuting stones are working as intended, as they always have. So, knowing the mechanic of transmuting stones, I would say expecting a Legendary when putting exotic stats on one is a mistake.

Lobby for a new transmuting stone for Legendary, instead of claiming that stones are somehow at fault or changing a mechanic that works for every other transmutation in game.

Yeah, technically, its the players actions therefore its their “fault” but my point is that they didnt do it by mistake. They probably just wanted a non power-toughness-vitality legendary. I didnt read all the post but i agree its not the stones fault. However there should be a way to obtain non power-toughness-vitality legendaries which this game lacks and that is Anets fault.

… 3 rares in 15 mins

… 5 ectos on salvage

… precursor in less than 10 tries

(point is you would only whine if you are unlucky. go play chess if you hate rng)

Are you saying you wont get “one-hit by lup” with the +30% damage to grenadekit1?

Even a War would get “one-hit by lup” unless he has full soldier gear so i doubt switching will make any difference.

Rifle is better in pvp… unfortunately. You can use P/P but i think its a lot harder to kill in PvP because even with high crit, their damage is too low. Of course thats only my opinion, feel free to go pistols if you think it suits you more.

“And I seriously doubt most people have tested the idle timer with a turret setup to definitively say whether or not the turret activity counts as player activity.”

I DID TEST IT. Twice i might add. I dropped a bunch of turrets and went to the loo. when i got back i was at the character screen. Second time, i was dead but still in the game. Do you actually think you are the first to think of something so simple? Have you ever considered that you aren’t the smartest person here? The most stupid thing about you is that you did was not actually test it yourself before you scream “exploit”.

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

I fail to see this as anything but a mistake on the player’s part. Transmuting decides what class a weapon will be by what stats are applied in the transmute interface. If you choose to put Exotic weapon stats on a Legendary, the game will create an exotic weapon. That is how it works. Has always worked. Skin does not determine class of the weapon.

Non Issue.

Sigh… The players aren’t making any mistake. Legendaries are only available on the soldier prefix. What if they want a berserker or cleric legendary? Thats why they transmute the Legendary. The problem is said items are now inferior to Ascended items

Another simple solution is to introduce a gemstore consumable that can change an items prefix while maintaining its rarity.

Based on your requirements, I’d use a crit+(condition on crit) rifle build. 30 firearms.
Go for the Eyes,Rifle Mod,Hair Trigger.

i’d still keep 10 points in alchemy for, Self-Regulating Defenses.

Speedy Gadgets is a must. Inertial Converter is also good in a pinch. 15 tools.

The rest (15) goes to power. Incendiary Powder.

How good you are depends more on you using the right gadget at the right time than your traits.

Rocket Boots=dps&escape
Personal Battering Ram=knockback&cripple
Slick Shoes=escape&travel
Utility Goggles=damage burst+stun break

White Wolf: “There is a pve timer that when you are too long afk”

^ this sums it up, in the 1st reply none the less. The player will be dropped after about 10 mins. Turret hits do not count towards the timer. What OP is proposing doesn’t work. Most likely the monster be able to kill 1 turret and after that the rest will fall instantly (unless you have 3 or more engineers working in together). Still, after 10 mins….

for pvp gadgets can easily replace elixirs but require a lot more practice. Consider looking into; Rocket Boots; Personal Battering Ram; Slick Shoes; Utility Goggles. You might have to abandon might stacking / boons to focus more on conditions because boons are an alchemy trait.

For PvE, you should stick to elixirs.

kRiza krimos.1637:

So you cant press F in run-by and ignore mobs that are guarding place?

This is correct. Some higher tier chests are guarded by champions. A solo character would just loot and run(or have a bot do it). In contrast, dungeon chests only apear after an objective is completed, so they dont have a “cast time”.
….

Some of u guys misunderstand. Host said..

“Same goes for a lot of quest objectives where you have to fix/gather something. You can get the credit as soon as you kneel down and just hit “esc” instead of waiting the extra five seconds. It just seems odd to me.”

He didnt get the chest contents b4 the bar expires, he is talking about heart quests (most which you dont have the option of canceling the interaction)

Killul.9685:

Tosha Daydreamer.9251:

Is there ascended gear in sPVP? I thought it was PvE/WvW only.

Personally, I don’t feel like I “need” to get ascended – only if I want to do a lot of fractals (which I don’t). For Pve, exotics are still good enough and no one notices a 1% increase in stats in the WvW zergs.

It is Spvp only but I think it is 14% difference which is quite a lot and can make a huge difference for smaller battles or when zergs have near even numbers.

No, SPvP has its own (free) gear. You cant use your normal gear there. Ascended has no effect on SPvP.

??% difference is huge assuming you have an entire set of ascended gear. Pieces such as Chest armor, Weapons, & pants armor gives the largest bonus.

Assuming you have full Ascended gear, it does give a considerable advantage in WvWvW, but not enough to consistently take on multiple foes.
Each player = about 100% increase

PS, i am against ascended and have never done FoTM.

Oglaf.1074:

It has the same problem as Lich Form: no Conditions!

Class Elite and core mechanic for the Condition class doesn’t have any attacks that reliably inflict Conditions.

wut, Anet, wut…

At least lich form does +700 damage per normal hit and a bunch of good utility. You look pretty bada** as well, unlike Rampage/Elixir X. Umm, you can use plague if you want conditions.

Anyways, the problem is with DS. All class mechanics should be still viable regardless of your build. Guardians/Rangers/Mesmers can forcefully use their CM even if the build doesnt suport it. Necros cant because it is possible that going into DS will give you a disadvantage.

What did the engineer do to you? In fact the most “interesting” characters are elementalists and engineers because you cant mash the same button over and over to be good with them. I also suggest you try cooking.

BTW: this topic is going to be moved to players helping players

I would like some more options for DS as well because, as it is, it contradicts my build. To my build DS is just a short period of invul for me to recharge my heal skills. Also like OP, i… F1 > 3 for fear exit, or F1 to absorb burst > exit…

striker.3704:

Levian.6742:

Sorry, the only elite we have access to underwater is Plague.

I find underwater combat terrible in general, all the abilities I normally use are disabled so I’m forced to take minions just for the sake of ease

that’s funny because our only underwater elite kills all of our minions.

the fact that mesmer gets access to all of their minions underwater saddens me. I seriously get the feeling this game is only 60% finished sometimes.

Yup, i cant even use minions (death by my elite) and wells. so i just bring signets + Plague. Feels so wrong.

When i was playing a grenade engineer in WvWvW, i would always jump into the lake to turn the tide on attackers, because its harder to miss for me and because most people dont familiarize with underwater fights. Necros are the first profession i played which 95% of my traits are useless underwater.

Necros just dont like getting wet…

Bump.

My dungeon necro

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQEQNArYWjQaV6haea87JApCYP9w7xFP6BxDnMA;TgAgyCtosxYjwGrNObk2A

Good at: Damage over time to large targets. Staying alive. Blind & cripple to help tanks. Massive AoE burst (6 AoE skills).

Notes: Swap in spectral walk to run faster in dungeons.

I picked a Necro elite but feel free to replace with a racial elite if its available.

@Kravick

Thanks for your input, but im only interested in necro at the moment. Do people use anything other than plague form? Can they? It seems no one wants to share.

FYI:
Engi = Elixir X, Supply drop
Mes = All 3, =.=
Guard = Renewed Focus

Edit: Just checked. Apparently no racial elites can be used underwater. Oh well.

Is it me or do necros only have 1 underwater Elite Skill? The fact that wells dont work underwater doesn’t help me at all.

Not whining, just wondering what are my options for underwater elites as a human necro? My necro is my 4th lv 80 avatar.

@omerk

Yup. valor affects allies so you can run away from being “helpful” as a guardian. As for utility, more than 70% of guardian skills benefit cooperative play.

As far as learning curve (PvE), Heave armor classes have it easy. Melee light/med have it the hardest. But when you enter WvWvW, its the opposite. In dungeons, having “tanks” helps because if the foe(s) isn’t running all over the map, the DPS can focus on dealing damage.

Orion the Cursed.1206:

Ever played dota?

At this point i don’t really care anymore. Think what you want.

1. Most people do bring stun break on dungeons unless they are confident with their skills and predicting bosses.

2. Nobody is going to care if you drag a bunch of mobs in open world and die.

3. Its still an improvement over other pvp games where ‘stun = game over’

K, i will accept that. Do a wink face so ppl will understand please. And dont ask for proof in a joke.

“Can you use skills in a prone state?”
A: YES (if it has STUN BREAK). Thats what every1 is saying. You can use any break stun while stun,fear,knockdown(launch/pull),sink,etc… You can use remove conditions on immobilize.

“It also sounds like you never been to Orr by yourself, and tried to solo it.
So from now on unless you proven to me that you’ve been to Orr by yourself, and tried to farm for mats, or whatever. I’m not going to bother to respond to you.”

Does your statement sound like a joke? Dont feign ignorance.

Bring a “break-stun”. how do you even “mess UP ONE TIME” when you can press this anytime to release yourself. You need to face 4 knockdown foes (not regular foes) to actually stun-lock yourself and these guys all run slower than you. I’d say you deserve to die.

My guardian is a ferry. Mace/shield, shouts and valor, full soldier gear. Applying boons heal me and remove conditions on allies. Keeps ppl alive while they do their things in PvE and gives bonuses on WvWvW. Cant kill PvP because of lack of CC and consistant damage. I can keep burning up 50% of the time with 30 points in valor and my elite. the rest of the time i can block with the heal and elite. I can also shout when im channeling block (etc) so i do that often.

Now that i got my necro to lvl80, i can use him for situations where there is too many tanks. As i mentioned ideally there should be at least 1 guardian in every party. However you cant say that having 5 is the best option.

@Strikerjolt

I cant read everything because every1 is arguing with you.

Do you think its fair to make the assumption that i have never been to Orr, when I can predict when a brute will make a knockdown/stun swing? How many 100% explorations do you have? I have 2. 4 more on the way. I can think of worst situations than stun mobs. Please dont automatically assume you are smarter than everyone because they dont agree with you. Bomb Engineer pwns 6 risen. Shield+mace guardian pwns 4. Mesmer can decoy(stun-break) and run anytime.

How is the mechanic harming the game? All your are able to do is say “i dont want to bring any break-stuns so Anets fault” and “I dont want to learn so i shouldn’t have to”. While others adapt, you QQ and get left behind.

climhazzard.5897:

CoF (paths 1 and 2) is so faceroll you should only have 1 guardian, the tanky crithammer guardian.

What about SE,1&2? HotW? Arah? I used CoF because i have yet to run another dungeon with 5 guardians. I dont want to fake experiences. I’ve done SE with 3Guardians+1Warrior+1Engineer.

I corrected my self (fractals, not dungeons). I have never done fractals so i cant provide an example for that encounter. I have done CoF with 5 guardians and that took a bit longer than with random classes. Burning stacks duration but even when we maintain it 100% of the time, its overall damage is sub par compared to multiple conditions in tandem (guardians cant bleed or poison at all).

As the person above mentioned 2 guardians are more than enough to tank(trinity 1). An additional engi/ele/necro can help heal/ aoe for harder situations(trinity 2). Any remaining players should focus on DPS (trinity 3). Again, i hav never done fractals, so in some situations the presence of tankers might me more vital than DPS in certain areas.

Would i troll with such long sentences? If u want a troll look at Oglaf. He is trying to troll me.

I’m defending the game because i believe in this aspect, they did a good enough job.

Stun is always horribly OP in every game, but having stun breaks/ temporary resists pushes the game towards a more skilled based approach. It deters Pay-to-win players.

I’m always open to suggestions to improve the game however.

My preference is…

Certain. Builds. Are. Viable. In. Certain. Situations.

over…

All. Builds. Are. Viable. In. All. Situations.

“No. I don’t want to use your build. I want to play my way, and that’s what I am entitle to, and that’s what Arenanet based Guild Wars 2 around.”

You are also not forced to fight risen brutes.

PS: i was talking about Diablo3 where a single build+class dominates

I dont do fractals(corrected) (i hate grinding) but you are saying the problem is with the boss, not just the class, correct?

What i’m suggesting is never have a 5 man group of the same class because most skills dont stack well.

As far as personal experience, (barring inexperienced allies) i feel that a balanced party can do better (clear faster with less deaths).

My suggestion is instead of saying Guardian is the best, we discuss what builds to carry that are more effective. I never said other classes are better than guardians, i said “its just guardians are more inclined to be either cooperative or tanky which is always good in cooperative situations.” in my first post.

Again you may have a point that certain bosses force players to “tank” or DPS, and that might be bad design on their part. We cant be sure unless we run more experiments. Dont forget recently there was a post that melee is useless, which contradicts what you are saying now.

It may even be because i lack experience as you said or i’m just like different builds.

“Your statement that having more than one guardian being inefficient is excuse me, BS.” This is my experience because:

1. burning doesn’t stack
2. Most single guardians can maintain protection/regen 80% percent of the time. Only might is stackable
3. Multiple valor spaming, because they dont stack.

In a similar situation, Warriors cant stack shouts and warbanners. Inefficient means wasted resources. Not undoable.

I’m sorry if i offended you.

Edit: as far as blocking projectiles, i think guardian and mesmers have the best options. Besides that every class can block/reflect projectiles. The problem is most people dont bring those skills.

All classes can be very good in dungeons with a proper build. I think whats more important is whether you would enjoy yourself playing them. Why dont you suggest a class and we provide sample builds?

If you want to make your mesmer very good in dungeons, consider mirror image staff boon build. For your elite bring mass quickness.

“Also Brute risen / abominations hav an obvious tell and timing.”

I also provided 5 options to prevent stun/knockdowns. Most mobs can be killed within 15 sec so they wont have a chance to CC more than twice. Wait for the visual cue. Most Brute risen / abominations are not concentrated in 1 location, you rarely have to face more than 2 at the same time.

“Which I find wrong, I shouldn’t have to rely on one skill to keep me alive, and than have it work only every other fight due to cooldown. "

You also dont have to fight every Brute risen / abominations but w/e. Bringing different skills for different situations are what makes this game interesting. In a recent disappointing arpg, 1 skill beats everything, Whirlwind. If that is more your pace…

I dont understand. Are you saying i die in dungeons? I guess i should rephrase. My mistake.

“Yesterday i was using my necro and an greatsword guardian (party member aka another player) kept hiding/dying (forcing me to rez her) making my focus on DPS redundant. And i was lvl 78 yesterday and she was 80. (Today i’m 80).”

I have 8000+ dungeon tokes tho. 4 full sets of exotic wep and armor.

I’m sorry, but im trying to be helpful and constructive but you seem more interested in venting your frustrations. If so sorry for wasting your time.

i have a engineer[main](toolkit)80, mesmer(shatter)80, Guardian(shout+valor)80, necro(condition+well)80, thief(scout)32, & warrior(sniper)21. I use my guardian and necro to run dungeons.

Im not talking about good builds. Im talking about optimized builds. You refuse to accept that theres more than 1 build for each class. And that builds can be made for specific duties. In your case (an example) carrying a pistol/poison focused thief in a party that cant poison against a boss that can heal or regen will be more valuable than a guardian. If you “refuse to adapt” and stick with your dagger, then the problem is you.

5 Guardians cant stack valor, burning, protection, etc… Try a difficult dungeon and you will understand.

Yesterday i was using my necro and an greatsword guardian kept hiding/dying (forcing me to rez her) making my focus on DPS redundant. And i was lvl 78 yesterday and she was 80. (Today i’m 80).

Ever played dota?

Ever heard of stun break>stability>blind>aegis>dodge?

Honesty, at least this game provides an answer to stun. Also Brute risen / abominations hav an obvious tell and timing.