Guild Wars 2

It seems you can’t turn in the old tickets anymore…
I guess I better spend my jade tickets before they change that too.

Nikkinella.8254:

You should do a whole comic strip.

Would love that

25 points in arms, the rest can be whatever you want. You could also go for 15 in discipline if you want to weapon swap (LB and GS are good for that).
For the last 30 points, look at the other builds posted on the forum, you might get some ideas there.

Copestetic.5174:

Daecollo.9578:

The Sword’s Autoattack ‘3’ should poison for 4 seconds. Although it doesn’t make much sense (maybe the warrior put poison on his sword for fun?) It would bring the swords condition damage up a little bit.

Horrible idea! Poison?! Clearly you meant Firestorm. OP combo, even in GW1…

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Hamstorm

Yes, give us firestorm after hamstring in that chain.

Oni Link.4621:

You deal lower damage with Knight instead of Berserker and damage is the primary aggro reason. So if you get aggro anyway, then there is something wrong with your party XD

Toughness has a huge impact on agro. The difference between zerker and knight’s is immense. Guardians simply have no chance to keep agro off me.

Oni Link.4621:

If you search you can find spreadsheets too, that build is the currently the best option for a Warrior.

I even have my own spreadsheet. But there is a difference between spreadsheets and reality. Both 100b and axe chain have a big chunk of their damage on their last hit, and that isn’t something a beginner would want to deal with.
As for scholar runes, I wouldn’t recommend them for general PvE.

Oni Link.4621:

Anyway Axe+Mace and GS (rotating them) is the highest DPS output possible so you have to train that.

If you have to interrupt it, you have to interrupt it, and that is where that build fails.
As for knight’s armor, whenever I use it I get all the agro, basically making me the group’s tank, which mean I have to put more effort into staying alive, not less.

I would suggest against axe builds, since they lock you into specific skill rotation, which you will have to break if you want to stay up. The change to axe #1 was just terrible…

In general, your survivability depends more on your team than on the build you run, so as Oni said, full damage is the way to go, and you should stick to in unless the encounter requires something specific (condi removal, stability, etc.).

naphack.9346:

Greatsword Autoattack is still a beast

Greatsword autoattack is one of the weakest warriors have. It is slow and does low damage.

Didn’t compare GS dps to sword after the patch, but I wouldn’t be surprised if sword is higher. Axe already had higher dps than GS, and sword is only a little behind axe atm.
People just don’t realize how bad GS auto attack is.

If you really want to maximize your dps, use A/M+GS or S/M+GS.

Eviscerate is a very minor dps increase, and if you interrupt your axe chain, you will end up losing dps instead.

Sephius.2876:

If they adjust the casting time I might actually find Final Thrust useful, rather then a gimmicky unreliable skill. Hopefully they’ll address this.

That F1 skill is there for a reason…

Ambrecombe.4398:

It was more like 2sec actualy, it had a very small windup before you could use the chain again, it is just a bit sad condition builds took a hit on the sword, I see a lot of people using it with kick now in PVP for burst damage. :/

The current combo is more like 1.25sec sinds Hamstring has 0 windup, but the damage are rather low and once you reach the 25 bleed stack, wich was totaly possible before, you loose a good chunk of your DPS.

How exactly was condition sword nerfed? The only attack in chain that didn’t have bleed got faster, so you do the bleeding attacks more often. Looks more like a buff to me.
Also, your seconds must be different from mine, because it isn’t anywhere near 1.25 sec.

TheGuy.3568:

Old chain took 1.75 seconds to execute.

Old chain took about 2.6sec, then new is ~1.9sec.

Do some math. The AA is still doing same dps in power build, and probably more in condition.
Final thrust should only be used on targets below 50%, even in power build.

It does pulse, and yes it is affected by power. The pulse damage is low though.

Will people whine about no balance changes every mid-month patch now?

And the bad thing is that other players don’t really care what you want to be.

Mijo.3274:

you’re warrior is awesome good looking, i want that sword and shield OMG!
Btw really pro gaming here, i think hammer is the only way to kill a mesmer for us, i want to ask u a question, why dot you use “fast ground target skill”?

Double tap does the same thing.

The problem is that less warriors visit that forum, so might miss out on some good idea.
But at the same time there will probably be less useless QQ…

Daecollo.9578:

I thought axe was faster?

Well, technically your swinging a club, it should be the fastest. Maces weren’t known for there finesse. Bashing someone in the face with a bat isn’t slow.

Axe chain has multiple strikes per “attack”, but the chain itself is fairly long (3.5 sec).

I think reducing the time it take to execute the whole mace chain by 1 sec should make mace a much more viable option (will put it just above sword for direct damage builds).

Lag can’t drop you off a cliff.

1/2 1/2 3/4 would make that the fastest chain warriors have… the numbers in the tooltips aren’t accurate. Mace does need an increase in attack speed though.
Also, I think weakness needs to last a bit longer.

silentnight warrior.2714:

Ozzrel.9825:

Why thieves can stealth while warriors cant?

I was not talking about thieves only.
Both warriors and thieves have ways to land unblockable attacks but one has to give up one utility to do that. Thieves also have stunbreakers on their weapons skills. We need to have utilitys to resist some CC. Its a big diference on build diversity.

You can’t expect everyone to get the same things at the same cost. There are a lot of things that other classes have that warriors don’t, but it doesn’t mean we should have all of that.

While I can agree with moving healing power to Tactics, power and crit damage in one tree is a big no. Power is the best offensive stat you can get and adding crit damage to that (which can get very close to power in high crit builds) will just make everyone take 30 point in strength. They will also have to nerf all the direct damage we do, because otherwise we will do ridiculous damage, which will harm non-strength build even more.

Without mixing in direct damage, you won’t be getting high dps. Conditions benefit only from 1 stat on your gear, while direct damage can benefit from 3.

Warlord.9074:

Ozzrel.9825:

Rabid doesn’t mix well with other sets since you will lose a big chunk of power with it.

then be squishy and worst off than a zerker 100b warrior idc. be a squishy crappy condition build that gets owned. and does bad damage. there is ur build for you.

Then go full rabid. Zerker gear won’t add anything to that, since crit damage is useless without power.

Rabid doesn’t mix well with other sets since you will lose a big chunk of power with it.

Netu.2671:

Thanks for all the advice! I really appreciate it. I’m currently running three different rune sets, two of each, to achieve +45% bleed duration. Then I’m using condition damage food. If I could find something to make my burns better, that’d be cool, too.

Does anyone know, or know how I could figure out, the specifics for which stat points I want/need? E.g. should I do three pieces of carrion, three of berzerker, or something

You could use condition duration food and use condition damage runes. Should net you more condition damage at cost of some precision.
As for gear… I played with my spreadsheet a little, and rampager with ruby jewels in trinkets seems to be the best choice, but the difference between that and carrion isn’t that big. Rabid is really close too, but having 100% bleed duration is an absolute must for it.

It could apply confusion every time you stuns are prevented by stability… but the problem of not having condition damage in stun builds will still remain.
Maybe increase the amount of stacks to compensate?

Netu.2671:

Do you have any thoughts on how to go hybrid but not being horrible? I know I can’t do the FOTM damage right now, but perhaps at least ~10% away from that could be acceptable, especially if I’m bringing something more to a group (e.g. more might stacking, fields, etc.).

You can’t expect to do axe kind of dps (lets face it: axe is king of dps), but you can do pretty good numbers.
Having 100% bleed duration is nice for longer fights, but you might hit the bleed cap, 50% burning duration will let you get a lot more out of your bow (but you will probably have to use food for that). High condition duration also reduces the gap between rampager/zerker, carrion and rabid gear (with rabid and rampager gear you have a high risk of hitting the bleed cap though).
When picking traits, deep cuts and fast hands are a must. After that you can put more points in arms tree if you want damage (25 points trait is good if you have power gear) or you can put them in defense or tactics (whichever you prefer).
For offhand weapon: sword for single target, axe for aoe (or mace if you want aoe cc), horn for more might stacking. Shield can be useful in certain situations, but you don’t want to use it all the time.

If you want to get the most out of sword you’d have to go for a hybrid build (some kind of rampager and berserker mix), but you won’t have much survivability. With rabid gear you won’t have any direct damage and the vitality on carrion isn’t very useful.

Veldan.4637:

- trait in the power line that makes your heal skill remove chill, cripple, immobilize, weakness
- the well known mobile strikes trait
- warhorn skill that removes chill, cripple and immobilize

While mobile strikes trait is good, the other two are average at best. Blowing you heal just to remove a cripple (rather than, you know, actually heal) will probably just get you killed faster, while the warhorn skills are slow, and while using them you aren’t applying any pressure (which is the only way you can ever hope to survive as warrior).

Molch.2078:

No Killshoot? Deals about 20k in 2 sec.

The way he has done his calculations, getting a number like that would be unrealistic.

Molch.2078:

How does the dps compare to other weapons?
Thief P/P deals about the same DPS.

The question was aimed at the OP. I was just pointing out that without something to compare the results to, his calculations aren’t very useful.

What was the armor value used?
How does the dps compare to other weapons? (I’d expect it to be somewhere around the level of mace dps)

Some build require you to take certain skills (shout healing, banner regen…), while others are more flexible. So unless you use one of these builds where you absolutely have to take a certain skill, you should take whatever your group will benefit the most from (FGJ, Banner of Discipline) or skills that you need for a certain encounter (like condition removal or stability).
In pvp you choice is more limited because some things are pretty much mandatory (balanced stance for stability).

Mikemad.2495:

Now, I could be wrong and somebody check my calculations but doesnt seem like 100b is terribly OP :/

You are, indeed, wrong. The time it takes the execute the whole chain is actually longer than the listed activation times (somewhere around 2.5 for GS).

Why not tri-wield?

ensoriki.5789:

They should’ve made it a spin kick like Ryu so you can kick people behind you…

They should have given it 1200 range.

vorpal.1497:

I don’t want to see this build be made viable. You SHOULD be punished for picking 5 passive utilities that you never (or rarely) activate. It’s lazy.

Instead of buffing the passives, they should redesign the activation effects. Right now they are just a (bad) copy of other skills. Just buffing the active effects won’t do either, they need to be changed completely.

Melee the boss (axe or gs, whichever you prefer), with longbow for elementals.

Red Falcon.8257:

Daecollo.9578:

300 toughness, 14% DR does it not give.

Buildcraft says 300 toughness = 14% DR.
If you want to claim differently post evidence.

Funny how you argue about it when neither of you have a clue about how it works.
The amount of DR you get from a point of toughness depends on the power of the attacker. At power=toughness, the damage modifier is 1, meaning the damage is weapon damage multiplied by skill modifier. When you increase your toughness, the damage reduction (relative to damage you take at p=t) will diminish with every step (which is what is shown at buildcraft), which damage reduction in relation to damage you’ve taken before the increase always stays the same.

Nemaca.4912:

Bump. I have not found a definitive answer on this.

Is crit dmg added liniary or does it suffer from diminishing returns, such as crit chance?

Does it cap at some point or you can go beyond 100%?

As far as I know, both crit chance and crit damage increase linearly, and only condition duration has a cap.

How are conditions applied after the 25 stack cap handled?
Do they:
1.Replace the oldest application?
2.Replace the lowest duration stack?
3.Replace a random stack?
Or are not applied at all?

Also, can a newly applied condition replace an older one if its duration is shorter than the remaining duration of the one it replaces?

kKagari.6804:

Works with banners apparently!

Works without anything at all, apparently. If the rune wasn’t bugged, I would probably suggest ruby orbs.

The problem with your build, is that wherever you get precision besides the base armor stats, you would be better off getting power instead. Another problem is that the only type of armor that has power as major stat and precision as minor is berserker (which would be a loss of survivability).
Valkyrie gear simply asks for investment into Arms tree, since it is the only place where you can trade crit damage for precision, without loss of power.

The value of Power depends on Precision you already have, the value of Precision changes depending on Power. The more you stack one, the better the other becomes eventually overcoming the first. There is no simple answer as “A is better than B” or “B is better than A”. To make things more complicated, you also have crit damage.
The best you can do, is calculate which one is better for you with the build and gear you already have.

If the question is about traits, the extended bleed in Arms will give you way more than 10 points in Strength. If it is about stats on gear, power and condition damage are pretty even (though it might change depending on other stats like condition duration).

Seetoo.9316:

What about the giver armor set for support. I was going to go for vit prec healing on my banner war, but then I saw the giver set.

I don’t see why would you want to have boon duration in a banner build. If you take banners, you won’t be using skills that actually grant boons. Also, vit is bad regardless of your build.

CoaxialMazer.9140:

I think the weapons had a 10% boon duration,

The weapons have condition duration, not boon.

Obed.7629:

Veritas.6071:

Well at first glance, you have runes of divinity with 19% crit chance. You aren’t getting hardly any good from the +2% crit dmg, may as well trash them.

Sorry to be dense, but I’m not clear on your meaning. Are you saying get more crit damage into the build, or lose the runes?

Get more precision or lose the runes. Crit damage is ineffective when you don’t crit

kwayso.5162:

@Evalia and CoaxialMazer
Here is a great reddit post with solid analysis of crit vs damage. HERE

The formula doesn’t take into account on crit signets or food, but 100% crit chance will be stat budget overkill imo.

If it was just precision and crit damage it would be really easy to pick which one is optimal for you. But we get might, vulnerability, bleed and possibly other procs… I’d like to see the math of how that translates to dps.