Guild Wars 2

The INF should be in the <Version>\<OS>\English\Display.Driver folder. You’ll have to dig around to find it.

BossMustang.4071:

Bought a physical copy today and decided to start playing, everything was going smooth. Game installed and it began to download all 220,000+ files. It proceeded to download roughly 4.5gb of data with 700 files left, then computer dies.

I figured things would be fine and it would restart where it left off. I guess not.

I start up GW2, the game client pops up as well as another box which says “Repairing Data Archive”. It gets to around halfway and stops, I wait for a while hoping it would move but it doesn’t, so I close it. Next thing I know it starts redownloading all 220,000+ files all over again! I check the .dat file in my game folder and it reads 14.8 GB. The file’s there, but the client seems to be skipping over it. On top of all this, I’m not even sure if it’s really downloading anything at all (even though it says it is on the client). The free space on my drives isn’t changing one bit. Where exactly are all these files being downloaded to? Because they certainly aren’t being written on my computer.

I’ve tried -repair, doesn’t work. It only checks what I’ve downloaded after the crash.

I’ve googled the kitten out of this and so far haven’t found any solid answers. Others who have experienced it have all had their computer shut down during the download so I’m more lead to believe this is a client issue.

Please, don’t tell me it’s a hardware issue. Plain and simple, it’s not. I believe it’s pretty clear that this is a software problem.

If anyone has any sort of info on this, or perhaps even a GW tech guy or w/e, I’d be very appreciative if you could help.

If your system cut off suddenly during the installation, that’s not a software problem.

ANYTHING could have happened to your GW2.dat file. If the OS didn’t properly write the data out to disk, the entire file might be corrupt.

Gilles Normandix.2493:

“Then you have either a physical defect with the hard disk, or your file system is malformed.”
If on one side u got 100 games working without a single problem, and on the other side, 1 single game which keep on crashing every 1/2 hour, and when you repair the game you have more corrupted file than when you started, It is quiet obvious that it is the single game which cause the problem, and not the Hardware who run 100 games perfectly! Bob’s your Uncle!

If there are 100,000 players online playing the game without issue concurrently, and a half-dozen players who have a problem…

I’m using a 6850 and an i7-920, which is within firing distance of a current-gen i5.

Haven’t had any framerate issues in any part of the game with everything on High, as long as I leave Native rendering set.

There’s no reason to overclock.

Looloop.1296:

Thanks a lot Dobz,

cool trick ^^ very smart indeed.

It works and actually, if you want to hide the shortcut that appears in the “Documents” folder, you can by changing the file attribute to hidden.

Be very careful with that link. It will behave just like the original folder. If you delete the link, you may delete the target.

ZilentNight.5089:

Already did that about 10 times now RvLeshrac. That is not the solution.

It says the repair operation was skipped. What does your other log say?

Peteie.4523:

Manekk.6981:

RvLeshrac.2673:

I’m going to throw this out there: If some of you are having issues with specific router features, and NO ONE ELSE is having those issues, why would ArenaNet try to re-write parts of the GW2 networking to handle your specific routers?

Since a router is simply supposed to hand traffic back and forth, it should be up to the device manufacturer to do that properly. You’re asking ANet to solve a problem they’re not causing.

SPI is a standard firewall found in a lot of common high-end routers designed to protect your computer. Not a “problem” in their router.

Not to mention the game sets off computer’s firewalls (much easier to fix, but still a point)

Every other online game Ive played can run without setting off alarms. ANet should design their game in a way that doesn’t make it look like a security risk.

There are no ‘alarms.’ Firewalls typically block ALL non-web traffic until otherwise instructed.

The Windows Firewall in 8/7/Vista uses SPI. It does not cause issues.

> Intel HD 4000

Update the video drivers directly from downloadcenter.intel.com
If that doesn’t work, try your MB or PC manufacturer’s site.

(If they’re the same version, reinstall them.)

That’s really all I’ve got.

orchid.4726:

How many Network report do you need to identify a problem? 2 millions?

Since ANet doesn’t control any of the dozens of servers that exist between you and them, many of these reports are going to involve problems that have NOTHING to do with ANet.

If someone else controls a server between you and them and that server is down, there’s NOTHING ANet can do to resolve that issue if they can’t route around.

—> Error Logs <—
Verify/repair was skipped by the user.

Run a -repair again. You have missing/corrupt models/textures/animations.

If you have another drive you can use, move the GW2.dat off, run a verify, and see if it works on the other drive.

Also try removing/renaming your Documents\Guild Wars 2\local.dat

What’s the full text of the error you’re getting?

I’m going to throw this out there: If some of you are having issues with specific router features, and NO ONE ELSE is having those issues, why would ArenaNet try to re-write parts of the GW2 networking to handle your specific routers?

Since a router is simply supposed to hand traffic back and forth, it should be up to the device manufacturer to do that properly. You’re asking ANet to solve a problem they’re not causing.

Frozencapsule.1534:

If by any chance this fail’s. How can I revert to where I am now?

Make a System Restore point before installing the driver.

You can try the “Roll Back” option on the device manager properties page, or you can use the restore point.

Good luck!

(I won’t be back for a while, but keep us posted. And use the edit button instead of posting multiple times. ;-] )

DuskMotionless.3640:

Solution:
Find the Guild Wars Application Program.
Right Click and select Properties.
Hit the Compatibility Tab.
Check run as administrator (even if you log as an admin this must be checked).

Only do this if GW2 is in Program Files\ or Program Files (x86)\. It should be completely unnecessary otherwise.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/c0000005-error/first#post1160443

Try some of my suggestions there (ignoring the ones that clearly don’t apply, natch).

0xc0000005 means that GW2 is trying to access memory it doesn’t own, or trying to access an object that was unloaded from memory. This (usually) happens when either a) one of the DLLs it depends upon is bad or b) one of the DLLs it depends upon is giving it memory addresses it doesn’t recognise.

Bob.7608:

Pc is going to my mate tomorrow so he can investigate as he has spare components to try,im thinking power supply at this point but it really seems strange especially with borderlands that i can run the game forever aslong as i dont access the ammo buy?? seem strange to u????

Run memtest, I’ve seen bad RAM do messed up things.

Honestly, nothing really seems “strange” any more.

Start > Run > eventvwr.msc

Look around in the Application log for any crashes involving gw2.exe, tell us what the error data is.

Try deleting Documents\Guild Wars 2\local.dat

Go add exceptions in every AV or Antispyware app you use, exclude the entire GW directory and gw2.exe

Bob.7608:

fresh format m8, same issue before formatting…was restored to out the box until updating drivers and obviously flash

Oh. Yeah, then. My money is on some bad hardware.

If you don’t want to wait on that PSU, you can always try a memtest. I’ve seen a lot of bad memory do a lot of strange things, Otherwise, hopefully the PSU will tell you what’s up.

When you have the case open, probably want to inspect your board for anything that looks suspicious around the CPU and VRMs.

Frozencapsule.1534:

I am somewhat confused. Where can I find the version Im trying to update too? The only thing I know is it is 310.90. How can I make my own custom INF? Walk me through where to find the files and I will do it.

You’ll need to find the nVidia 310.70 drivers, and use http://www.komeil.com/download/2983 to replace the INF.

Fast.6735:

I can’t currently get into the game at all, as the login client crashes immediately upon startup and gives a blank error dialog (it was previously giving an error c0000417 and listing a directx driver d3d9.dll). DirectX is up to date and I have already tried restarting my system. Any help?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/c0000005-error/1160443

I don’t know what your comfort level is, but you might try my suggestions there.

Or try PMing sinistar and see if he’ll come back and explain how he resolved his problem. It was a different error (The error you’re getting is actually “Unknown Exception,” which is… yeah.), but the same solution MAY work.

You can also try deleting your Documents\Guild Wars 2\Local.dat , and running a gw2 -repair

Bob.7608:

im just getting this feeling flash has something to do with everyones issue here, has flash player 11 had a recent update that has screwed everyone?

might sound noobish but im running out of options here

Nope.

There was an old issue with hardware acceleration on an early version, but not recently.

If you were getting random popups on some video site, might want to check for any malware.

Frozencapsule.1534:

I am not sure which one too choose from this link: http://blog.komeil.com/2010/04/nvidia-driver-windows-7-notebook-laptop.html

I am assuming this is the Laptopvideo2go thing. I should have just read a little further. =P

Download the INF that matches your driver version. If none of those match, you can go to laptopvideo2go.com and build a custom INF.

You then copy the INF into the folder your nVidia drivers were extracted to. Then you should be able to manually install them. You’ll have to choose them by hand, though. The automatic detection likely won’t work.

Frozencapsule.1534:

I installed the Power Options for the win 7 x64.
http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/research/hints-or-tips/detail.page?&DocID=HT073108

Screenshot: http://sta.sh/01b20pa2nl8s

I wonder how many of these drivers I need considering the pawn shop put win 7 on here. And would I be using the vista drivers from this lenovo page? or Would I be using the win 7 drivers?

Since it doesn’t look like there’re too many options, try High Performance? Maybe it is going to sleep for some reason?

If you can find working Win7 drivers, use those. Otherwise, Vista drivers should be fine.

Use the laptopvideo2go drivers for the GPU. You won’t be able to use any of the nVidia drivers (except Lenovo’s, use Win7 drivers off Lenovo’s site if you have to)

Power sounds like a good guess. Could also be the board. Hard-lockups (No BSOD, no restart, no power-off) are almost always power related, but could be caps on the board, a blown VRM, or just a failing PSU.

Frozencapsule.1534:

Tried a manual update. It didn’t seem to do anything or detect any new drivers. Even when I directed it too that 310.90 folder.

Screenshot: http://sta.sh/0x3fz4rqzur

Tried using the drivers from that link earlier? Still didn’t pick it up?

Frozencapsule.1534:

I’m working on the battery and the power issue here: http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/IdeaPad-Y-U-V-Z-and-P-series/Lenovo-Ideapad-y550-shuts-down-when-unplugged-wont-start-on/td-p/978531

Guild wars 2 can run on my other computer with weaker graphics, but higher ram and 4 cores. It can get pretty hot with the fan blasting and the game wont shut down. Runs at like 7 FPS though lol..

But this computer will shut off within 15-20 minutes of being in the game. So i’m not entirely sure whats going on. But that’s why I’m posting here. I can in fact play Starcraft 2 or WoW on this computer for hours and not experience any shutdowns.

Try to get that Vista x64 Energy Management driver installed (if you haven’t), then go to control panel > Power Options and see if it adds some more power management settings, it might add the battery reset (which might just be a discharge/recharge, but they may’ve pulled an Apple and put some strange power management controller in it)

If it works fine in other games, try turning EVERYTHING down in the GW2 settings, including the audio quality, audio latency up, etc. Then start turning things back up.

Vispir.8071:

Just an update.

Tried a long-shot at doing a clean install on my system and accidentally installed 32bit instead of 64bit. Anyhow.. i was going to install again but thought i’d give the mission another shot and well….

All went fine.. no system crashes, so i guess i had corrupt files somewhere in my system or your thought on bad RAM is correct. will still go about testing the memory just to make sure.

Thanks for your assistance in this issue.

If you have 8gb in the machine, but your system works fine on 32-bit, definitely sounds like bad RAM.

Good luck with it! (And try testing one stick at a time – always possible that multiple sticks are bad, or that a slot is bad on the board.)

Frozencapsule.1534:

RvLeshrac.2673:

I actually bought this battery brand new. It does the same thing as the battery that was in it when I got it from the Pawn Shop.

That’s… strange. Take a look at the battery connectors (The notebook side) and make sure there isn’t any corrosion. I went looking for a Lenovo Power Management utility, since that’s supposed to have a way to reset the battery, but didn’t see anything.

Frozencapsule.1534:

So I got an error.

Screenshot: http://sta.sh/04acaii5lpk

Although It appears that it saved the driver files on my C drive where the older drivers are. I provided that in the screenshot as well.

Maybe there’s a way I can bypass that message and update the driver myself? Or is there a way I can tell that driver that there is a graphics card?

it shows my card is supported in the "supported Driver’s section of the update for my card.

GeForce 200 series:
GTX 295, GTX 285, GTX 280, GTX 275, GTX 260, GTS 250, GTS 240, GT 240, GT 230, GT 220, G210, 210, 205

This is a decent guide around that problem: http://blog.komeil.com/2010/04/nvidia-driver-windows-7-notebook-laptop.html

Bear in mind that you MAY have issues after installing them, so be prepared to install older drivers.

Frozencapsule.1534:

Is that because it comes default with this model of computer? I was wondering if the Pawn Shop put win 7 on it. The sticker’s were took off the part that you rest your palm. So I wasn’t sure what windows it came with.

I am not planning on restoring it, it had a pretty swift reformat from the pawn shop.

It definitely just shuts right off. But when I unplug the AC adapter it also shuts right off.

If you look up top, the results from the temperature test show some voltage stuff, I just dont know how to read it.
It also shows my virtual ram and all that other stuff in the System Information post I put up. I just dont know how to read these things.

I am installing the Nvidia drivers now to see if they work, if not I’m going to install the legacy/beta drivers and see if those work.

I have also already installed the drivers for the “Problem Devices” in my System Information file.

Yeah, they threw Win7 on it. Which is probably helping, really.

Sounds like the battery is bad, and it may pull extra power from the battery when needed. Notebooks are a bit odd, some power circuits require a battery, some don’t, some of them use the battery to provide extra power when the AC adapter droops.

Sadly, probably something you’ll just have to live with, unless you can find an inexpensive battery to try out.

Frozencapsule.1534:

Well. It appears that the driver for my graphics on the lenovo website is :
8.16.11.8990 21 Oct 2009

And it seems that the one I have in device manager is:
8.17.12.5896 9 July 2010

So that rules out the Lenovo website for my driver. So now its for sure the nvidia site I will need.

So with that being said, I think I will run the updated driver. And if that does not work, I will do the Beta/Legacy driver?

I will keep everyone updated, in case anyone else has this problem in the future.

DO NOT restore this machine, or you’ll be left with Windows Vista. Which isn’t as bad as some might say, but may leave you in a worse spot for gaming.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/tech/System-Crashes/#post1163947 You can try the instructions I left there, unless the system is simply powering off completely.

If it shuts off completely, there’s a power issue somewhere. Could be capacitors overheating, could be that the system is pulling more power from the battery than it will output. You can try using the system with no battery and see if that helps.

One thing to remember is to make sure you’ve completely updated the machine on the OSX side, in addition to the Windows drivers for the card, if you spend most of your time in Windows. It is possibly that an EFI update will eventually clear up the issue.

Is it the 650m with 512mb, or the 650m with 1gb?

When you change resolutions (switching to windowed and back), resources are reloaded. That’s why you’re seeing a framerate increase – the game is clearing out memory. You see the framerate drop again when you’ve filled the memory again.

The game could clear this out for you, at the cost of much longer loading times.

Atlanis.6597:

Whelp, that sucks.

That’s putting it mildly, yeah.

Unfortunately, this is a known issue. It has hit all of us repeatedly. There’s a dev post somewhere about it.

You have to get all the XP without using a TP in one zone.

da Marek.5984:

my gw2.dat is fine – I was just playing on another toon minutes before

That doesn’t mean your GW2.dat is OK, it just means the parts of it you were accessing while playing the game were OK. Something in the character creation components may be broken.

Try Start > Right-click Computer > Properties > Advanced System Settings > Advanced > Startup and Recovery… > Settings > ‘Write debugging information’ > Small memory dump.

(You can also uncheck “Automatically Restart” while you’re in there.)

That should give you a dump, at least, or prevent the computer from restarting so you can read the BSOD text.

If you don’t get a BSOD and the machine just restarts, you may have bad RAM or a bad GPU. You can try memtest86 to see if your memory is good.

Vispir.8071:

Are you referring to a crash log generated by the client? if so im unable to provide one.
im having a full system crash. my client freezes and had what might best be described as “looped” sound.

Ahh.

If you haven’t updated your video, sound, and MB (NIC, etc) drivers, do that.

You can also see if http://nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html gives you an idea of what caused the BSOD.

Try launching gw2.exe with ‘-repair’ to verify your gw2.dat

65C is cooler than my 6870. What’s in your crash log?

Sickknt.2850:

Hello,

I recently bought the game and when I try to install it from disk it says (at 62% disk 2 already) : there was an error copying installation data

Can any1 help me out? Im installing it for the 3rd time now and have no clue about what I should do. Dont wanna download the game becuase it would take ages to download it.

Thanks in advance!

Make sure the disc is clean and free of scratches.

If it is damaged, you’ll need to return it for another.

If it isn’t damaged, you’ll need to use the web installer.

Honestly, you’re in for at least a 5-7gb install either way.

Dobz.6728:

While this is mainly the game’s fault, I’d strongly recommend buying Intel next time. They are able to process many more instructions per clock (IPC) than AMD processors, meaning a 2.8 GHz Intel processor will perform much better than a 2.8 GHz AMD processor.

This would actually be AMD’s fault, for not being able to properly balance the load across the cores.

That’s the real difference between AMD and Intel at the moment. An Intel multi-core will increase the speed to pegged cores while decreasing the speed to cores with excess capacity.

Nivrim.4951:

Ashley, I tried what you told me step by step. After Restarting computer I turned off the anti-virus and Firewall and tried to download it again. Not running any other program at all. The problem is still there and the same 10135 kbs. I got a new error crash report and I run GameAdvisor as you requested.

Just a thought, if you open “C:\Users\PC\AppData\Local\”, then right-click ‘Temp’ and click ‘Properties,’ is it hidden or read-only?

If it is, make it not. If it isn’t, try deleting everything in the Temp folder.

If it still doesn’t work, try:

Download Process Monitor from sysinternals.com and see what the last operation gw2.exe tries before the crash is. (Filter > Filter > ‘Process Name’ ‘Is’ ‘gw2.exe’ ‘Include’ > Add). Look for any “Access Denied” messages.

If you see an ‘Access Denied’, select that item, then go to Filter > Reset. Scroll up and see what the last process to access gw2.tmp (that wasn’t gw2.exe) was.

If you don’t see an ‘Access Denied,’ go to the last entry in the list, select it, and Reset the filter. Then scroll up and see what the last thing to access gw2.tmp was.

Squall Leonhart.2075:

and since you didn’t even post what you did to resolve it, i’ll continue to call absolute BS on it.

You’re not going to get a BadImageFormatException loading non-.NET-DLLs on a 64-bit version of Windows. Additionally, running any 32-bit app will load a whole host of 64-bit DLLs.

It is also possible it was loading a different version of the DLL from a different directory entirely, or there was a path set wrong somewhere.

a) Try using slightly older video drivers than the current available set. See if this is an issue with the 200s.

b) Start > Right-click Computer > Properties > Advanced System Settings > Advanced > Performance… > Settings > Data Execution Prevention > ‘Turn on DEP for essential Windows programs and services only.’

c) Try moving GW2 to another drive/location, if possible.

d) Set exceptions in your AV for the entire GW2 folder, especially gw2.dat

e) Download Process Monitor from sysinternals.com and see what the last operation gw2.exe tries before the crash is. (Filter > Filter > ‘Process Name’ ‘Is’ ‘gw2.exe’ ‘Include’ > Add). Look for any “Access Denied” messages.

You probably also want to search through the log and see where exactly it loads “d3d9.dll” from. It is possible there’s an extra version thrown somewhere, or it may be loading the version from System32 instead of SysWoW64.

Other than your video drivers and some Windows system DLLs (user, kernel, WoW), there should be very few things loaded from System32.

f) Disable your AV completely. If you’re using Mcafee or NAV, you may have to uninstall.

Honestly, ‘E’ might tell you more than anything else.

(Oh, and as the post above me demonstrates, unplug EVERYTHING that isn’t a keyboard, mouse, or otherwise absolutely necessary for the operation of your machine. I’ve seen plenty of USB devices cause all sorts of random issues, especially printers, wireless NICs, and HDDs)

Geikamir.6329:

Seems like one of two things needs to happen. Either these types of posts aren’t allowed to be made at all (and if they are they result in a temp. ban) or people that scam in this way get punished in the same way and forced to give the money back.

With the way it is currently, people are allowed to post on here in attempts to scam people AND they are allowed to keep the stolen money with no threat of repercussion. That makes no sense to me.

Well, if you’re dumb enough to send them money…

They should be banned, of course, but ANet already made the policy pretty clear:

a) Report, and they’ll do what they can once they have enough reports.
b) Don’t do this in the first place because IT IS ALWAYS A SCAM.
c) IT WILL NEVER NOT BE A SCAM. THIS IS ALWAYS A SCAM.
d) STOP FALLING FOR THIS CRAP BECAUSE IT IS ALWAYS A SCAM.

Barfoi.9537:

As long as you’re not taking advantage of incompetent design, then I assume you should be “safe”. :-) It’s just unfortunate that players are penalized for playing the game the way it is designed.

Assuming how it’s actually intended to be played — in defining an “exploit” — can go either way, and should not be a concern for players. I can understand questioning the morality or ethics of gaming-conduct, but should we seriously question whether or not crafting or salvaging is an “exploit”?

It’s not very different than, for example, gambling with the Mystic Forge. It is/was possible to continuously dump thousands of rares into the forge and make profit from the exotics and eventual precursors, or to just continuously upscale crafting materials. As long as there was profit, it provided an infinite cycle. From this situation, wouldn’t that also be an “exploit”? More importantly, should playing the game the way it’s designed even be questioned — especially when it appears perfectly ethical?

If such design was so detrimental to the integrity of the game (or more so its “economy”), then the source of the problem itself should be evaluated and/or removed (cough). Yet, people make mistakes — it’s natural — so why punish the players instead?

In case some would think I’m simply defending my own actions, then no — I haven’t now, nor have in the past, been involved in any of these incidents. ;P It’s just ridiculous to think I have to question legitimate (and ethical) game-play!

You don’t have to question “legitimate (and ethical) game-play.” None of these exploits have EVER been “legitimate (and ethical).”

So far, players have been banned for:

1) Abusing Poppers, which turned karma into gold at a rate far exceeding what was obvious from every other karma cycle in the game – BY THE THOUSANDS.

2) Abusing low prices on a merchant, a merchant which was clearly pricing items far, far below any other merchant in the game. Again, BY THE THOUSANDS.

3) Abusing a recipe IN A SPECIFIC MANNER WHICH WAS INCONSISTENT WITH THE LEGITIMATE USE OF A RECIPE – by the hundreds, if not the thousands.

It isn’t possible to abuse the Mystic Forge, unless it starts giving out precursors consistently with a specific combination of items, because ANet has defined the precise odds of the Forge. You have no control over what the Forge gives you in return for your items – but you should be able to recognise if you have a bugged combo that happens to return far, far, far, far more of a specific, high-value item than any other combo.

Also, define “infinite cycle.” You can’t profit FOREVER from the Forge. You will eventually run out of rares to input, so you must purchase more from other players. Eventually, the prices will increase dramatically. That wasn’t the case with the Holiday recipes, which were a self-contained loop, only requiring easily-available materials which could be snagged in just a few moments in any mid-level area.

Sky.7610:

I find it hilarious that people are supporting this act of ANet without fully comprehending the consequences and precedent set by this. I suppose, when the same people supporting Anet get retroactively permanently ban from an unobvious “exploit”(if you would even call it that), they will start to understand how their tolerance/support to this unprofessional act of Anet, directly led to their ban in the future.

When I see an exploit, like people intentionally hanging a boss mob where it can’t attack or skipping half of a dungeon, I leave.

Problem solved.

Ursan.7846:

Gilosean.3805:

There wasn’t any way to tell that this recipe was wrong.

Guh. Seriously?

This recipe takes only ONE ecto-based upgrade material to craft, as compared to FIVE every single other similar recipes take.

How people still insist that “there’s nothing wrong with the recipe” is beyond me…

That led to the exploit being possible, but that’s not really the exploit, of course.

If people had simply been crafting and selling the items, ANet wouldn’t care.

Mirodir.1672:

RvLeshrac.2673:

Tarvok.4206:

It shouldn’t be based on volume. A crime is a crime, regardless of the number of times it’s committed. The volume only influences the likelyhood of getting caught. Volume can be a clue that people are exploiting a bug… but it shouldn’t be the standard by which people are judged.

Volume is an indicator that people knowingly exploited it. If someone does it a few times, they may have been testing it, or were just making a batch of them. They may not have any idea they’re actually exploiting.

If anyone tried it out 5 times and figured out he could make a winning with it (and failed to see that it was not supposed to work this way like I would have if I knew about it in time) then NOT making money with it doesn’t show much intelligence.

Real Life example:
If a company sells phones for 50$ and I can break the phone up and sell a part of it for 70$ on ebay then I’d be stupid to not go and buy more phones.
What will happen is what happened in GW2 aswell. Less people will be willing to buy that specific part as the market gets saturated, as a result I have to sell it for less and less. At the same time the phone-company might realize they’re mistaken and raise the price. (Ecto’s dropping, Flakes+Mithril raising)
Nobody will get sued unless I signed some form contract (even an oral one) that disallowed me to resell it.

When you first launched the game, you signed a contract that said you wouldn’t exploit.

Gilosean.3805:

RvLeshrac.2673:

Death Reincarnated.3570:

RvLeshrac.2673:

You’re missing the point. ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHATSOEVER FOR CHEATING EXCUSES THE CHEATER, NOR DOES IT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD BE BANNED.

There are NO VALID REASONS EVER FOR CHEATING IN ANY GAME’S ONLINE MULTIPLAYER COMPONENT.

I beg to differ. There is always a reason why players are enticed to cheat. I agree that cheating is cheating however the reasons are not always the usuall ones. You are forgetting that the higher the incentive the more likely a player will be willing to risk it to gain the reward quicker. Remove or lower the incentive and less likely will players tread the path of cheating.

Also, it would seem that you a person who believes in a black and white world with regards to decisions and results. If that is the case then any player found exploiting/cheating in any aspect of the game should be banned because cheating/hacking/glitching/etc is not condoned and a ban hammer is the resolve.

Also, not every player was banned in this case – yet by your presumed definition they should have.

The sole reason players who were not banned were simply suspended is that they did not appear to be intentionally exploiting. The punishment fit the crime – there was no indication they knew what they were doing was exploiting, but they WERE exploiting and hence were punished for it.

The people who were banned clearly KNEW they were exploiting, hence their rush to exploit as much as possible.

We use precisely the same standard in the real world – crimes which are committed with intent are punished much more harshly than those without.

And doing something that isn’t a crime isn’t punished, because it’s legal.

There wasn’t any way to tell that this recipe was wrong. ANet made a serious mistake, and then compounded that mistake by blaming an punishing players for it. I didn’t use this recipe at all (too busy trying for an endless bell ) , but this has really irritated and worried me. It’s a terrible precedent for ANet to retroactively declare a working-as-intended recipe an ‘exploit’ and ban people for it.

This wasn’t a coding problem or an actual exploit, this was just stupidity on ANet’s part that let players make money. They should own up and un-ban people. It is wrong to punish other people for your mistakes.

They haven’t “retroactively declared a working-as-intended recipe an ‘explot.’” They declared a newly-introduced recipe, which had an issue, an exploit – WHEN EXPLOITED IN A CERTAIN WAY.

When the recipe was used as-designed, there was no exploit. Materials went in, a crafted item came out, and that item could then be sold on the TP.