Guild Wars 2

Navi.7142:

They pick up stuff in the front garden which the police unintentionally placed there, but where it can be found. Some people asked the police “Hey! Can I take this?” (And some just picked and picked and picked..) They never received an answer until the police – that had known the issue with the stuff laying around that they didn’t remove immediately when they were asked by the people if it is safe to pick them up – decided “Oh, bad bad bad exploiters. We have to arrest them and never let them out.”
^^

The police didn’t think it was necessary to respond to an idiotic question asking if it was OK to steal someone else’s kitten.

Death Reincarnated.3570:

RvLeshrac.2673:

You’re missing the point. ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHATSOEVER FOR CHEATING EXCUSES THE CHEATER, NOR DOES IT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD BE BANNED.

There are NO VALID REASONS EVER FOR CHEATING IN ANY GAME’S ONLINE MULTIPLAYER COMPONENT.

I beg to differ. There is always a reason why players are enticed to cheat. I agree that cheating is cheating however the reasons are not always the usuall ones. You are forgetting that the higher the incentive the more likely a player will be willing to risk it to gain the reward quicker. Remove or lower the incentive and less likely will players tread the path of cheating.

Also, it would seem that you a person who believes in a black and white world with regards to decisions and results. If that is the case then any player found exploiting/cheating in any aspect of the game should be banned because cheating/hacking/glitching/etc is not condoned and a ban hammer is the resolve.

Also, not every player was banned in this case – yet by your presumed definition they should have.

The sole reason players who were not banned were simply suspended is that they did not appear to be intentionally exploiting. The punishment fit the crime – there was no indication they knew what they were doing was exploiting, but they WERE exploiting and hence were punished for it.

The people who were banned clearly KNEW they were exploiting, hence their rush to exploit as much as possible.

We use precisely the same standard in the real world – crimes which are committed with intent are punished much more harshly than those without.

Tarvok.4206:

It shouldn’t be based on volume. A crime is a crime, regardless of the number of times it’s committed. The volume only influences the likelyhood of getting caught. Volume can be a clue that people are exploiting a bug… but it shouldn’t be the standard by which people are judged.

Volume is an indicator that people knowingly exploited it. If someone does it a few times, they may have been testing it, or were just making a batch of them. They may not have any idea they’re actually exploiting.

Mirodir.1672:

Ursan.7846:

This one recipe took one ecto-based material to craft, as opposed to 5 ecto-based material all other similar recipes take.

Taking advantage of this fact is exploiting.

http://www.gw2spidy.com/recipe/2373

I can get an average of roughly 0.9 Ectos out of salvaging this, the only reason why it’s not abusable is because recipes like this made the prices equal. People craft and salvage this EN MASSE to slowly earn money.
It was an error by A-Net not making them need 5 Ectos BUT every recipe shapes the market and some people are able to use this to earn money. You can’t expect the producer to make sure that the value of an item before and after crafting are roughly 1:1 because the market isn’t 100% stable. Even if a recipe is added with a 1:1 value-transformation THIS specific recipe might create an item so cool that it causes the market to shift; allowing some people to earn money with it. What you need to understand is that the market is 100% player-driven. The only way A-Net should influence it is by adding new items/mechanics.
I’m afraid that my unawareness of some recipes might trick me into believing that I found an underpriced item on the market I can make use of instead of finding a typo in a recipe. While it was clear that an item that costs 27 Karma ON A VENDOR shouldn’t be abused I don’t think it was clear that an item that gets sold for to little BY A PLAYER shouldn’t be bought and used. If a one-time use is perfectly fine why isn’t a repeated use? I’ve seen the Halloween crafting mats going for around 5 gold the first few minutes after the patch back then (on BLT, not in map-chat). There were actually people who bought them. Should A-Net ban the people who sold them for 5 gold? I don’t think they should (unless those people promised something wrong).

Abusing that recipe will likely also be ruled an exploit, if Anet notices people doing that.

Making a few of them? Not a problem. But people don’t just make “a few,” they make hundreds or thousands.

Tarvok.4206:

Is there a way to report potential exploits (not suspicion of others exploiting, but rather a feature cluster that feels too good to be true) directly to ArenaNet? I personally believe that reporting a potential exploit should be considered due diligence enough to exempt a player from any punishment for making use of the feature (which may or may not be an “exploit”) between the time they sent the report and the time ArenaNet informed the community (including any reporters by direct communication) that they do, in fact, consider it an exploit which players should refrain from using, and which they will be closing at the next possible opportunity.

To do otherwise is what we call an “ex post facto law”, and there is a reason this practice is outlawed in the United States Constitution: it is incredibly unfair, and has the very chilling effect that is demonstrated by the OP.

Report exploits.

Do not use them, ever.

If you THINK something is an exploit, it is.

Mirodir.1672:

….make profit with people not being informed about new mechanics and when not?

When the next event starts it will MAYBE add another new recipe that allows people to but materials and turn them into something more expensive. (Which is what happened on Wintersday. There was never an endless cycle. The cost to re-do the recipe was just really low because of people not knowing what the recipe is capable of; thus selling their items for too low.)

So when there is an item is majorly underpriced on the BLT regarding what I can turn it into. How can I know if it is okay to but this item and make money with it? I’m seriously scared to interact with the market in any way right now because I know I’d most likely abuse other people’s nescience to make money. And this seems to be regarded as an exploit by A-Net.

It is OK to craft items using high-level mats then sell them to other players.

It is OK to craft items using lower-level mats and de-construct them as part of leveling your crafting abilities.

It is OK to craft items using high-level mats and de-construct them, at times, as part of gaining ecto.

It is OK to craft items and sell them on the TP for a profit.

It is NOT OK to craft items using high-level mats and then de-construct them en mass. Hell, it is NOT OK to do ANYTHING en mass except kill and loot mobs, construct items, or de-construct Salvage Items.

It is NOT OK to craft items using high-level mats and then de-construct them when you are obtaining all of the high-level materials used to craft the items.

It is NOT OK to buy items from vendors, craft items with those items, then sell them to vendors for more than the material cost.

If someone is offering you more cash than they could get an item for through the TP, they are scamming. Always. Period. End of story.

Zanaraxtarus.3954:

Wheels.8451:

All of this could have been avoided by simply testing content thoroughly before release. I find it difficult to understand how this error went unnoticed previous to launch.
Paying customers are not beta testers.
The community is helping to enable irresponsible game development by supporting this blatant deflection.
Exploiting Arenanets blunder is also irresponsible and damages the community.
No-one would have been banned and this thread would not exist if all parties involved had done their due diligence.

Just one guys opinion..

Jesus, Wheels….
I wish EVERYONE would simply quote what you wrote…
Maybe if they saw this over and over it may finally sink in…. Then again, maybe it wouldn’t sink in.. Maybe they’ll never learn and this game will die off like so many other very promising but very mismanaged games…. Let’s hope that’s not the case, they wake up and start learning how to run a game (especially when it comes to taking responsibility for not only THOROUGHLY testing things BEFORE release, but also in how a market should be run)

No, sorry. If the developers make a mistake, that’s something they should be called out on.

If the mistake results in an exploit, that’s something they should be called out on.

If the mistake results in an exploit, YOU DO NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE KITTENING EXPLOIT. PERIOD.

You know what an exploit is. Everyone knows what an exploit is. You’re all acting like you’re idiots who can’t tell the difference between right and wrong.

Like Lance Armstrong, you don’t give a kitten that you were cheating, you only care that you were CAUGHT cheating.

The Blue Ace.2850:

On one hand you can’t blame players using this exploit when they have free globs offered in front of them when half of the end game gear such as legendary and ascended requires 250 of them each.

On the other, You can’t blame arena.net for trying to defend the Trading post either.
But if they cared that much about the TP you would think they would of done something about the lodestone issue by now.

“You can’t blame the robber for robbing that house, I mean, it takes so long to work for such nice things.”

Esplen.3940:

Death Reincarnated.3570:

Firstly, I never said it was 100%. I suggest you re-read my previous post more carefully.

Woah, woah, woah, let me stop you right there…

Death Reincarnated.3570:

Furthermore, you pay 300 gems (roughly 4-5G) for a BL salvage kit with only 25 uses. This should be enough leverage to have a 100% for ecto.

And then let’s continue….

Death Reincarnated.3570:

Now secondly. I’m sorry but how is getting ectos, especially 250, an easy task? There are two ways, salvage or buy, but both are tedious to say the least – the latter would seem the more prefered choice seeing as the prices are quite high. Those who have high number of ectos already are controling a large portion of the market because many of the “end game” achievements require ectos. Hence why the “gap” is currently, IMO, too large.

So then it’s not hard to see why it would be a bannable offense to be able to get 250 ecto’s with 1 ecto and not having to spend anything (relatively).

It would seem that players prefer to get gold and trade for ectos – while others make a bucket load of $$$. If the process of getting ectos were less tedious, then players, generally speaking, would be less inclined to use the TP and CHEAT.

Except people CHEATED [the ecto method] and DID NOT USE THE TP with this offense, which is WHY they were banned.

EXACTLY this.

When people are BREAKING DOWN HIGH-END RECIPES rather than selling them, because BREAKING DOWN THE GOOD IS MORE PROFITABLE, the recipe is clearly broken.

That they continued to do it was cheating.

The reason for cheating (“Oh, it just takes so long to get ectos”) DOES. NOT. MATTER.

Cheating is bannable. There’s nothing in the TOS which says “If you have a good reason for cheating, we might reconsider.”

Quells.2498:

Regardless of whether we think it’s morally right to do so I think it’s more pertinent to think about whether or not it’s healthy for the community. I don’t see anyone gaining anything significant out of this issue. The player hosting the slots will likely make enemies out of those he/she used to get to the end boss only to kick them from the party. The players who were kicked will only resent other players and stop partying as openly. The players paying for the slots will have little to no knowledge of how the dungeon works and thus be incapable of grouping there effectively in the future.

That’s what morals and ethics are. They don’t exist in a vacuum, they’re based on necessary restrictions of one’s actions to further the common good.

Arsenic.8259:

I hate people like you op. If you want to run the dungeon, start a kittening group. I will be bored sometimes in LA and see a LFG and I decid sure I will run that place.
kitten anyone that is to lazy to start a group. You don’t deserve to run a dungeon.

Instead of complaining about the post, try learning to read. You’ll have a better time if you invite people who are LFG, rather than whispering them and having them ignore you.

If you can’t even be bothered to read three letters, why should I expect that you’ll be able to follow directions in the dungeon?

Courageous Mithos.8745:

First of all, “fixing” is the wrong word. Nothing is broken. It works as it was intended.

And as mentioned before, Arenanet announced changes regarding the fractals, where members could indeed join higher levels. This will be done in the update in January.

No, sorry, it IS broken.

The BRD was broken to begin with. They simply designed FotM to broken requirements. Why no one bothered to point this out during QA is beyond me.

Esturk.2183:

I did a test. First I said LFG xxx and didn’t get any tells. Then I said LF4M xxx and instantly got 4 people.

Point is, if you’re LFG and 1 more person joins you, it’s so much easier to get 3 more people.

I’m LFG because I’m doing something else, figure it will take X Minutes for the group to finish up.

If I’m LFG, it means I don’t have time to sit around for 30 minutes coordinating a group. If I did, I’d LFM.

voidwater.2064:

Why does this bother you? You do not have to participate, it does not constrain you in any way, why do you want to restrict the freedom of others?

Don’t try to impose your vision of “proper gameplay” on everyone else.

It jacks up the price of everything on the TP, screwing most of us out of equipment and materials because we’re not unethical, amoral kitten.

Anet, just add some doors to gate off mobs. /thread

Tintaglia.4762:

After opening 38 Mystery Boxes, I got my first mini (Infinirarium). It took 32 additional Mystery Boxes to get 2 more minis (both Snowmen).

Therefore it cost me $70 to get 3 minis, which I turned into Foostivoo the Merry. I brought him out and watched him, and watched him, and he just sits there like a lump. Does he ever animate?

Now I just feel icky and ashamed for spending so much real money, betting against the long odds to get minis at all. I love GW2, but that really took all the cheer out of the holiday event for me. I can’t even bring myself to run the events.

I feel icky and ashamed every time I see a Black Lion Chest or “mystery box” of any sort.

They’re promoting gambling, and they aren’t even doing it ethically, morally, and legally by providing the exact odds of winning.

Eventually, perhaps, they’ll learn that having people gamble on things just to be disappointed makes people loathe things like Foostivoo, which should otherwise be cute and happy.

Mors Subita.5802:

Well, to my appearance it looks like the peronalized gifts you get scale with points….. I got a LOT more of them when I started using the weapon and racking up points.

And? They give you nothing that regular gifts don’t give, and you get more gifts overall by surviving.

Seriously, though, why are you concerned about worthless points? Why is anyone? This explains why no one is competent enough to help get the achievements, they’re worried about useless points.

Welcome to Toypocalypse. Where the points don’t matter, but everyone thinks they do.

zilch.4326:

the personal story might have bug…. i was hylek line, when I did my story"through the looking glass". I found after the first dialogue (Trahearn, Cary and Tegen) the eye didn’t appear in the next scene, and the mirror didn’t break. the step is wrong, battle was not happening either……. I didn’t know what is going on. I try to transfer the server and log out to restart the story, but it didn’t work.

Wait until you get to the bug about 3 hours into the Arah instance where the NPCs stop working.

Ansultares.1567:

CrusaderRabbit.7460:

Maybe a gauntlet style jump puzzle.

You could handle that any better than timed jump puzzles, Munson?

You’re operating under the assumption that those of us with complaints haven’t completed the content we’re complaining about.

kittentail.7492:

RvLeshrac.2673:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

If you were to add easy mode to any jump puzzle, the rewards better not be the same. Heck, if easy mode jump puzzles were made, they should have NO rewards.

What? There are rewards?!

All I got was a jug of karma, some socks, and a sweater – which I won’t use, since they turn into absolutely nothing of worth for my char.

Personally I just started playing again a week or so. I have a 47 engineer and these rewards are amazing to me. I know I’ll need an obscene amount of karma for 80 and all the ugly clothing sells pretty well on the TP.

Easier and faster ways to get karma and gold.

Mimizu.7340:

okay, so i just woke up.

when i went to sleep 12 hours ago, this subforum was full of europeans complaining about the late start time.

now this subforum is full of spoilers and more, like Wintersday has been around for days…

so, did i go through a bizarre time warp as i slept?

If you have an issue with spoilers, why are you here?

Smooth Penguin.5294:

If you were to add easy mode to any jump puzzle, the rewards better not be the same. Heck, if easy mode jump puzzles were made, they should have NO rewards.

What? There are rewards?!

All I got was a jug of karma, some socks, and a sweater – which I won’t use, since they turn into absolutely nothing of worth for my char.

Doctorword.6304:

Where can I find someone to exchange these gifts with in lions arch?

Once you get a few hundred of them, there’s a guy standing near the snowglobe.

Zeldain.5710:

I’ll say it again: platform mechanics do not belong in an MMO unless they develop controls and cameras and geometry to accommodate it, and they have simply not.

There’s nothing wrong with jumping puzzles, but the majority of the playerbase despises timed jumping puzzles. The majority of gamers despise them. That’s why you don’t see them often, and when you do (Alice) games get REAMED for it in reviews.

How about eliminating the bullkitten, like health loss, that is just irritating, not “difficult”?

unknowable.8470:

My point is that it is nothing you should expect to be priorities in a week or even more given the more important things they have to look at atm… You don’t know how it is tracked, you don’t know how it is saved and you don’t know what is causing it (and chances are they don’t know what is causing either)

My point is they have acknowledged that it is a bug and needs fixing, whether it gets fixed now or in 3-6months is irrelevant while other more important bugs exist.

Game features which do not work properly should all be priorities.

Game features which have not worked properly since launch should be higher priorities.

Lux.6490:

Why not make it so that if you enter a dungeon alone, you will be teamed up automatically with others that enter without a party?

That would be too easy. Haven’t you read the sticky? They clearly don’t care, and would rather you use a third-party site.

I just want them to fix the kitten dungeon so it can actually be cleared reliably. I’ve had groups in Arah, and NONE OF THEM HAVE EVER FINISHED THE kitten INSTANCE BECAUSE IT BUGS OUT.

At least they didn’t click the “Don’t Exist” button. Then you’d really be in trouble.

moiraine.2753:

Now,now don’t whine so much.It has bee out from a few days.The comunity said exactly the same thing for the 8 explorable dungeons when they came and look what happend after 2 months.They became more than easy.Here won’t be any different after a few months.
The path hasn’t been out more than 2 days and you ask for nerfs.Come on give it some time.
My experience with it is not so bad.Pugs may struggle with it but with enough comunication and cordination you do it.

They’ve also worked on the dungeons over time, modified player abilities, introduced more powerful equipment… … … …

Ursan.7846:

RvLeshrac.2673:

Ursan.7846:

What happened to like, putting in an effort, working hard, and getting rewarded as a result of it?

There’s many people in real life who persevere under circumstances they hate. But they persevere nonetheless, and sometimes, they get rewarded.

This is just a game, and rewards are guaranteed for your efforts. Seriously, stop being lazy. If you want to be rewarded, prepared to work hard towards that goal. Not every step of the way will be fun.

Rewards are in no way guaranteed. I’ve yet to get anything useful from a dungeon. Or any other chest in the game, really, aside from the Karka end-of-event chest.

I thought this topic was about the monthly achievement?

It is. However, the prior poster said “guaranteed.” The Monthly items are only a “reward” when combined with other items obtained through farming.

Ursan.7846:

What happened to like, putting in an effort, working hard, and getting rewarded as a result of it?

There’s many people in real life who persevere under circumstances they hate. But they persevere nonetheless, and sometimes, they get rewarded.

This is just a game, and rewards are guaranteed for your efforts. Seriously, stop being lazy. If you want to be rewarded, prepared to work hard towards that goal. Not every step of the way will be fun.

Rewards are in no way guaranteed. I’ve yet to get anything useful from a dungeon. Or any other chest in the game, really, aside from the Karka end-of-event chest.

hallzer.4613:

Yeah not sure on this one. If it doesn’t cater to your play style, then don’t go for it. If you don’t like the game, don’t play it.

It goes the same for the whole ‘ascended’ argument. I’m not sure why people complain so much now. Guild Wars is not a game that is meant to be finished in a day. They have added TONS of content, and yet people complain about that. If you don’t like ‘the grind’ or supposed ‘gear treadmill’ please find another gaming forum to clutter up with all the negativity.

So you’re offering to return all the money to people who purchased the game based on the designers’ stated goals?

Merthax.5172:

It is a MONTHLY achievement. Even a casual should have the time for this in a month, should they be interested in pursuing it.

Assuming your dungeon doesn’t bug out constantly because ANet won’t fix the bloody things.

hlindegar.7152:

I really really hope ANet doesn’t listen and respond to this post. The monthlies are perfect how they are. Casuals are casuals… meaning they play casually and don’t have time to worry about things like monthlies.

They’re also the ones who keep the game running. They’re the ones who spend cash on cosmetics.

Show some respect to the people who fund your content.

Rennuh.9356:

So I was not able to join the event this evening and that’s fine. But now I read that so many people have gotten a precursor from it I’m feeling discriminated because not everybody has gotten this chance. Yes it’s jealousy and I am well aware that I probably wouldn’t have gotten one if I was able to be there.

I have tried to make a precursor for the last month, spending every last penny I got on making rares and trowing them in the forge, over 1500 rare greatswords gone in and no precursor to show for it. All fair and well, everybody has the same odds and they were just not in my favor. However this reward was just not offered to me, I couldn’t be there why would you make the reward SO big. When I heard you where making a scavenger hunt type of thing to get one I thought that’s a good idea, and I don’t care if it takes you another month or longer to make that as long as you eventually do. But until that time give everybody the same chance for a precursor and don’t favor people who just happened to be able to attend the event.

And no I won’t quit playing over this, the game is still good, I just want you to think about this and don’t discriminate players who just can’t be there at a certain time.

Clearly you need to farm more. That was part of ANet’s manifesto, remember? That farming and grinding are the funnest things in the world.

Decimus.1829:

The end of today’s event created an MMO buzz unlike anything I’ve been a part of, mainly for one reason: EPIC LOOT IN A GIANT CHEST! Nice call, shake up the economy, and give us what we want. Made the 3 hour event that much better and “worth it”. Our guild of 400+ across 2 OTG guilds was buzzing, big time.

And you can believe, it is gonna make every one want to be there for the next one.

Except for the huge number of us who got nothing useful but the guaranteed* drop out of the chest. We did the same work over the same period of time, yet were given less than 1/100th of the reward.

*guaranteed drop may not actually be guaranteed

Chippalrus.5437:

This is just how I see it:

People who did event and d/c from it and missed reward should be compensated.

People who missed it cause of work/school/other issues. It is like a one-time convention either you go to it or miss it you cannot expect it to repeat.

People in Asia timezones. These are NA/EU servers you have no reason to complain. In fact you should have been aware that all events would happen during NA/EU times.

Yet they weren’t told that before they shelled out the money for the product.

Thrashbarg.9820:

Spikedadragon.6015:

I just wish we had a collectable area for event items…

I’m such a packrat, and space is precious especially when you already purchased more slots lol.

Not likely, as bag/bank slots are a cash shop item. There are also new crafting materials which conveniently don’t deposit into collectibles…..

People would happily pay $5 or so for an event-collectible area.

ClintonD.8620:

Andred.1087:

I feel your pain, but please consider the logistics of what you’re asking Anet to do.

How do they determine who was disconnected and who wasn’t? Should they just take everyone’s word for it who gets on the forums and complains about it? That’s certainly not a definitive way to do it. Do their logs have a way of reflecting disconnects? Possibly, but I’m going to say they probably don’t.

How do they give the rewards, if they can figure out who deserves them? Do they mail it? That’s likely not as easy as it sounds, because I doubt they’ve made a system for running the loot tables and mailing it. Do they spawn a chest only certain people can see, wherever they are? That could be possible. Maybe.

Furthermore, should Anet really make a habit of giving free things to people that just get unlucky? Don’t get me wrong, Anet isn’t completely off the hook for what happened to you guys, but let’s face it, accidents happen, and Anet can’t go around fixing every little accident that happens for the rest of the game’s lifespan. And if they start now, that’s what they’ll have to do.

Again, I’m not trying to be offensive or insensitive to any of you unfortunate souls. I know it sucks, but before you get your expectations up, I can tell you right now, what you’re asking for is not nearly as simple as you think it is.

Well they did have an npc after halloween give the event item to those who couldn’t get it, but did participate in the events. I can see them doing that for this one.

Indeed. It shouldn’t be asking much for an NPC so that those who didn’t get, say, the box to get one.

lolitsage.2185:

I think they’re subliminally talking about driving a mass amount of the player base away from the game through over hyped events, it’s working pretty well

People aren’t even leaving because of the event, but because of the way the event was implemented and the way communication was handled.

RedBaron.6058:

The final event was awesome…2 hours of intense fighting during a coreographed event…very good…the lag was ok, a lot of mobs we killed we couldnt see but the game kept running.

The rewards were much better than we are used to, so it was a success.

But all the other things that went badly during the weekend need to be addressed.

One more thing: its obvious for everyone that the loot in the new map is broken. People returned to Plinx event chain even with the longer respawn…this speaks for itself. I spent hours in the new map and only got nothing. At Orr I get a lot of loot.

Thanks and best regards,

Red

I got six items, four of which I couldn’t use and two of which were guaranteed for everyone. That’s some awesome loot.

On the plus side, at least it was a 20-slot bag.

NightyNight.1823:

It is about timing ,cooperation, skill and all that.Its also about your ability to think and act fast.The random walls are a neat feature.Not everything should be predictible , its how you perform under those circumstances that makes it great.If you can’t handle it then the dungeon is not for you.Go do other dungeons that don’t pose too much of a challenge for you.Why should all dungeons be boring because you can’t handdle it, or the usual case, because you don’t care enough to engage in.
And haha..what an attitude.The trap is right there ! You know it is.Its right there ! you can see it ! but lol ..wut? I want big red circles whit indicator signs that say don’t stand there in that spot.

Really? You can see brown circles on a brown floor?

The developer responsible for this map is an kitten.

Ema.4953:

Stephane Lo Presti.7258:

Hi,

We’d like to bring further clarification as we’re about to begin Phase 2 in 15 minutes (Saturday November 17 at 12:00 PM PST / 9:00 PM CET) :

Here are the Phase 1 steps that you need to make sure you completed before Phase 2 starts:

1. Talk to Inspector Ellen Kiel in the Grand Piazza of Lion’s Arch
2. Examine the wreckage on the shore in Lion’s Arch west of Sanctum Harbor waypoint
3. Return to Kiel with the soggy bag
4. Talk to Consortium Subdirector Blingg at the new Consortium Gift Shop point of interest, northwest of Fort Marriner in Lion’s Arch
5. *Receive the map fragment. *

The subsequent steps of Phase 1 can be finished after Phase 2

1. Defeat Noll and his bodyguards (this is currently bugged and we’ll push a fix for that later)
2. Find Canach in Garenhoff
3. Defeat Canach (this NPC is currently on a timer)
4. Return to Kiel for your reward.

Other dynamic events are not required for completing Phase 1.

All players will be able to play and complete Phase 2, independently from whether they played or completed Phase 1.

Thanks.

So which is it? Have the map completed before phase 2 or we will be able to complete phase 2 independent of completing phase 1? You contradict yourself.

There’s no contradiction.

You can do Phase 2, period.

You can only complete Phase 1 AFTER PHASE 2 HAS STARTED if you have the map fragment.

blue.8629:

Lol So i can’t do it because there bugs in phase 1… lmao you’re a joke ANet… Can see why you don’t have a subscription plan

Exactly zero of the bugs in Phase 1 are affecting your ability to start Phase 2. Read much?

mbridg.4069:

shaktiboi.5194:

After looking at Stephane Lo Presti’s Phase 1 update more carefully (which is confusingly written, btw), this seems to be the case:

Because Noll is still bugged, you are effectively stopped in progress after you talk to Blingg. Canach and other NPCs come after Noll, and if you can’t successfully pass Noll, they won’t work for you. So the update by Lo Presti should have better clarified and made obvious that the quest chain is still broken at Noll and there’s no point attempting to do anything else after Blingg until they push the fix to Noll at noon PST today.

BTW for those confused about the proper order of things, I recommend Dulfy’s guide to the Lost Shores stuff: http://dulfy.net/2012/11/16/gw2-lost-shores-event-guide/

You know. HOW is a person supposed to know that you have to do Knoll first. Even in the tool tip on the top right hand corner of the screen it says "The Karka have surfaced in Kessex Hills, Caledon Forrest, and Lions Arch. It even names Kessex Hills before Caledon Forrest!

There is no other way, no clue, no anything, that hints that there is an order to the chain. I’m all about figuring things out and even enjoy it. But this isn’t about figuring out a clue or a something. It just is what it is, and there is no way to know.

Very Frustrated!

If you haven’t done Noll, there’s no way you could know about Canach.

Human, Ranger.

The geometry was garbage before I completed it. The geometry remains garbage.