Guild Wars 2

Oh…FYI to all:

PRO will be transfering to a new server on reset. Destination unknown at this time.

DKz Lux.4125:

Sad to see Devona playing for second. Did you guys give up on winning?

Not playing for second mate. But DR cant field the coordinated numbers that Mag/BP can field. We have a zerg mentality server that only a few know is fail. But the masses continue to do it, refuse to upgrade/defend. So the small few of us that are trying to hold the base of operations together….well only so much we can do. And its burned a lot of us out.

The BP warrior from SBZY….heck of fun fight with you for bout 15-20 mins lol. Sorry bout my guildees showing up, didnt even know they were around. Healin warriors..nerf plse..rofl.

I never had to use my big heal and all i could do was get you down close then your fast cooldowns for heals would reset. lol fun tho

saiyr.3071:

We worked hard to build our Mumble community…you can too :P

PRO uses teamspeak. We have bout 10-15ish guilds on it now. Relatively new though, so still working on actual teamwork coordination on it vs the “we’re just on same TS server” perk. We’ll get there! But until we do…you’re allowed to keep using Mumble, you just have to ensure everyone mutes their mic, and they MUST abide by that rule.

GuardianOMS.8067:

Has the turnout for Maguuma increased since we’re in first? A few of us are doing a little experiment to see if more people show up when we’re winning. I saw there were 90+ people in mumble this morning at around 2am EST, I smiled.

Willing buy 90+ DR folks in coordinated Wv3!! From what i saw last night DR had like 9 folks in coordinated action and that was in PvE events. (ie: "Oh man the breakout event is bugged and wont spawn) (sad panda)

Until then you are NOT allowed such atrocious actions! You are to stop playing Wv3 for the rest of the week in contemplation on what you did wrong.

Aside from the huge breakdown in DR communication/teamwork on reset. Fun fights from both servers. Keep it up, DR’s been needing an eye opener for over 10 weeks and hopefully this week will be the one to force some changes.

Evilzara.6378:

Devona’s Rest. How many beatings does it take to make you realize that zerging Stonemist for hours isn’t going to get you Stonemist.
Then again you did eventually get Stonemist but my people did get many many loot bags. So thank you for that.

Glad you said it. Maybe they’ll listen to you. I’ve been trying to stop the DR zerg mentality for going on 3 months. No luck as yet. Warning after warning after warning fell on deaf ears that such strats in the lower tiers may work, but fails miserably the higher you go. I predicted DR kitten spanked this tier and it so far it’s started out as foretold.

@DR
1: stop zerging
2: upgrade correctly..why heck do you want a WP before you even have reinforced walls? then follow the WP with oil, cannons, 2nd worker, extra guards, merchants….as yet..no walls…sigh
3: Take something..upgrade it, siege it, DEFEND IT
4: 1 scout stays at all towers/keeps/garrison to ensure no ninja happens
5: “look map all red..lets ALL go somewhere else”….sigh…bad panda..baaaaad panda

who was the SoS thief that just had to go and ruin my beer and chips moment at the Hills? hahahaha. Here i am, all alone with ma lil catapult. Jst clickin #2, drinkin a beer, and eatin some chips. Not botherin nobody, all peaceful and such. Then arrows start raining down on me…rofl.

Good job keepin eye out on your keep. =)

LOL….some PRO was laughing about the forum posts and did it on purpose to see if you would post and they were right. lol

Was fun fighting there with you AR…i wasnt one of the 4 that were running down the side there btw. I was the norn all up in the middle of you…and the big bear zoomin away rofl.

5 v 25ish….was a funny few hours. How many times did both of us flip that camp?

btw…i believe the immune bugged area is at the spiked cliff location. where those pics are i see dead or dying DR folks…lol. Seem to be takin dmg from what i see in the pics.

Fun fights in AR BL camp south of the Bay. Started out with 5 of us, 3 upgrades and 2 80s vs 7-8 AR folks with 2 upgrades for them. Pushed em back into Bay guards then the AR reinforcements show up and hits us with about 3:1 odds. We switched out the upgrades and again pushed them out again. And of course…good ole AR reservers show up…funny as heck.

This is why some of us late night go to AR BL, can always expect some fun fights.

Oh, dont ask us why we built the trebs…we were laughing while we were doing it. “Soo, we get inside, we gonna take it?” rofl

LOL..wow how many AR you all gonna drag to the map?? 4:1 odds out there…rofl

Dovgan.8605:

OK, time to recant a funny thing that happened in EB earlier. I was conducting my standard casual siege, you’d have to be there to understand but I do casual siege regularly, two or three people just relaxing and taking a wall down and chatting about the days events, on Mendon’s with a solitary catapult on the wall, and we flip it over. Not too long after Mendon’s goes green again. So we roll back around and what do we find, one lonely catapult waiting for us to take the wall down again. Forget mesmer sweeps, now we need catapult sweeps. I love not having to run for supply, thanks folks!

hahahaha…that happened to me at Hills before. We’d ninja’d the Hills with 3 catas at the wall spot. Some time later it was flipped. We went to attempt the ninja again…and our catas were still in place. Funniest stuff ever. Almost as fun as running in middle of nowhere on a map and come across a flame ram. Not just a ram pattern….but a fully built ram with no tower/keep anywhere near it. So i dropped a golem pattern by it….

Dovgan.8605:

The only defense of any possible exploit I’m seeing now are coming from a DR guild called PRO.

Okies mate….

one thing i did you like to keep bringing it up like its suppose to miraculously multiply into some massive hacking numbers.

I had enough character to post it was me, what i did, why i did it. was zero advantage for me in regards to the camp as there was 10+ AR folks there plus the npcs. Unless you seriously think 1 ele is going to take on all that at the same time and win. I hope thats not the case. i player standing in place not attempting to flip a supply camp waiting for 10ish AR folks to let me drop combat to WP out. I can see the obvious “threat” that is to the AR camp and team on the map.

Now, as you seem to like to continuously bring up that one instance. I challenge you this. I manned up and posted in forums. how bout you have the AR teams out there exploiting for map advantage post in the forums providing their names/guild affiliations. A few questions to your server population should easily identify who they are.

Wha..no takers? I WONDER WHY…

Dovgan.8605:

@Drednyte if your “friends” are on BP, they were caught more times by multiple servers than AR ever was. And no, I do not know who is was or does exploit/glitch on AR. I have not seen it or been around it. Assumption only makes you look ridiculous. Now carefully read this, I am in Wv3 on AR a good part of the time. I have not once seen or have been a party to any exploits or glitches, and as far as I am aware none of the people I play with have either. Now if one guild is responsible report them, if I ever see it I sure will no matter what server they belong to. Saying the players on AR who have been here since day one should leave the server isn’t going to happen. A lot have been here as long as I have. You may not enjoy this, but the facts are Wv3 is a total of 4 maps, groups that do these sorts of things tend to do them outside of the community and painting an entire server with a label while easy, is painfully ignorant.

BP? Dunno that guild if thats what you’re referring to. And if you catch them please by all means report heck out of em. Heck msg me like NSP did and I’ll come over to get an actual name on em and report. (preferably on land as those “sharks” are nasty) If you play mainly on your own BL then i highly doubt you’re going to “see” the AR folks doing anything. My comments wasnt to “you” specifically, what i said was with that much exploiting going on on a daily basis there’s no way I can believe “nobody” is seeing anything, which is what folks from AR are posting in here. yet soon as the exploit goes off, AR is very quick to take advantage of it. (that implies condoning it btw)

I respect your loyalty to your server and i’m honestly sad panda for you even having to remotely associate with those kitten kittens! But with the AR rep is a “hacker server” coming from servers not in this tier…sad panda. And no….dont anyone even try to imply “that started because you posted” bs either. The rep’s been in place prior to DR moving into this tier.

Again…those on AR who are on the field giving it their best honestly…MUCH respect and props to you all. The rest, excluding pvers, can go play in traffic blindfolded to end that gene pool.

Dovgan.8605:

Well I’m glad you are rolling servers and not using exploits to win. Testing to win we can call it. I can do this forever. Viva DR, thank you for helping test exploits, I’m sure in the long run will help the overall game experience. Thank you again.

I think Dovgan is upset that maybe his account may be in danger. Seems like thats the underlying theme to his posts.

Dovgan.8605:

And thank goodness 3 naked upscaled mesmers couldn’t possibly portal 60 people into an enemy keep. Whew, and I thought this wasn’t going to have any clear and legitimate explanation. See, this definitely isn’t a failed attempt to glitch an enemy structure guys. And remember, any other time it may happen in the future, it’s just testing.. but only when it’s DR, A-Net’s official testing crew.

Amazing how so many folks fail to actually READ a post before they comment on it. just amazing i tell you.

But based on all the quick heated defense of AR’s hack team(s) going to guess these “defense” posts are team members. Bout only way i can think to explain defending them. lol

Nuzt.7894:

So rendering yourself unkillable is not an advantage in a game where killing the enemy and stopping them from reinforcing or taking supply camps is very much part of the objective, gotcha. Good thing you cleared it up for me. I’m sure anet won’t mind everyone using the spot whenever there’s a chance they may lose a fight. Its obvious your a lost cause so just carry on justifying it to yourself. Just keep it in the back of your mind the next time you feel like calling anyone out for exploiting, maybe someday it will sink in.

Well thanks for that compliment in bold above. You felt one elemental was going to take your camp vs 15+ AR troops. lol

I like how you focus on one item that doesnt even compare to exploiting into a keep yet fail to address the mass issues going on with AR. But hey..if thats how you justify your actions….

Dovgan.8605:

I refuse to believe anyone on DR was attempting to glitch or exploit, because by the logic of a major guild on DR that would mean the entire server are hackers and exploiters and a joke server. I mean, I swear that a co-guild leader said something like that in this very thread. Foot meet mouth. I play the game without any grey area, so does my guild. I would strongly appreciate an apology to the MAJORITY of the AR players, because all of the people I have played with play fairly, and painting any server with such a broad brush is just a brazen display of utter stupidity.

Re-read the post. From the mass amount of exploiting on AR..with a server of that sized population..theres NO WAY a ton of you dont know whose doing it. the fact that OTHER servers relate AR to “hacker server” should be telling you all something. By remaining silent and taking advantage of the exploits after the fact…you in fact are condoning it. Also..if you re-read you will also note i stated that for those gamers that do not condone such actions on AR…comments were not directed and them and i was sad panda for them having be associated with the exploiters.

Dont pick and choose words. read em, understand em..then comment. if you dont understand ask.

Prosecutor.1457:

To the guilds, AD/PRO/BSTY attempting to glitch into AH wall. That is pathetic. Already winning and now playing dirty. Hope you get destroyed in T4.

Here is the pre-patch vid of the exploit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC5PoSdFZgA

The PRO member in question here was checking to see if it was fixed after the recent patch as he’s the one who sent the original fraps to Anet.

Do apologize for the obvious way that could have looked. In the future they should be posting in here at a minimum letting folks know what they were going to do, when, and why…and the fact that the results would be sent to Anet.

At least they were upfront about guild tags, unlike some other servers “pride and joy” teams that are now unguilding prior to similar actions.

Again, on behalf of the PRO member that was there recording…apologize and you shouldnt see that happening again. And if you do please let me know and I’ll find out who and take appropriate action on my end.

Nuzt.7894:

This is my point. Look up the definition of exploit, its not what you casually decide it means to justify your actions. But its very apparent that you will exploit and write it off asnothing while in the same breath blame someone else. its actually kind of sad but clearly you will put on your blinders as long as it suits you. To everyone else I am saddened if this is the case and AR has been using exploits then I can assure you if I witness it, it will be reported regardless of who it is.

Ahhh…ok lemme see:

An exploit – from the verb to exploit, in the meaning of using something to one’s own advantage

advantage – a factor or circumstance of benefit to its possessor

benefit – a gain resulting from some course of action

Again…there was no advantage to me standing there, didnt receive a benefit nor a gain. Apples and oranges mate, if you still cant see the difference i’m a sad panda for you.

jkctmc.8754:

You see, you’re not being honest. I guess that is to be expected. We fought a lot of PRO members that night, who did come back. I think you guys trolled that thread to deletion, but will go look later tonight.

I can vouch for PRO the entire time i was online, none went back into AR BL. When i got offline the standing order was to stay out of AR. As far as I know none did, I will ask the guild and find out though. If they did I’m man enough to post an apology in forums for those that violated the order. As well as reprimanding the leadership that was online when i wasnt that knew better. Again though, far as I know, no PRO went back until roughly 10-12hrs after it happened.

But based on your previous “blurry” interpretation of posts to justify your own comments, please be sure to post pics in the future. You seem to quickly jump to the defense of those AR exploiters/hackers in such a way that I, personally, find odd. Easiest way to back up a comment is with pics. Although some who get called out on it do seem to get riled up because you posted them…lol

Lord Aargadon.4135:

Drednyte.7601:

Oh…the NSP team promptly ganked me in the water when i was done! You lil farts! Well, saved me the run back i guess. rofl

It was the sharks that got you :P

LIES I TELL YOU! Those sharks were nice and playful. You evil NSP swarmed me with like, like, um…50 80s geared for war! I fought for an hour in the water on my elementalist and held you off! In the end I lagged out and you got me!

Then the alarm went off….and i was floating dead, alone, in the blood soaked waters of NSPs Keep. Sad panda.

Rob.7624:

jkctmc.8754:

This is funny, I never knew I could do this. I just learned something today. Did you know that you can see what happens at every tower, keep, and camp regardless of the map you’re on?

Seriously, I can be in Eternal Battlegrounds, laying siege to a camp, and not only know, but SEE the people on a keep in any of the other battlegrounds.

Imagine that? When five people decide to do something secretly, they really can’t because we can see everything.

It’s not like having a zerg outside of a keep, laying siege to it for hours, only to have it flip while that zerg is sitting outside, caught red handed, and embarrassed because they have no deniability at that point.

When our fully upgraded Bay was reset, you sure as hell didn’t allow us to fully upgrade it again, before you came back within an hour to take it back, after we did. You guys got caught red handed, and couldn’t play it off, so you left the map as a show of disgust, when in fact it was probably just a show. Because you came back to take a wooden keep, not long after we took it back.

I have no idea what this post is about.
Can anyone else translate this for me?

Are you trying to tell us that.. You can view all the dots on the map?

It was a reference to when some gimps on DR exploited the AR BL Bay.

jkctmc.8754:

When our fully upgraded Bay was reset, you sure as hell didn’t allow us to fully upgrade it again, before you came back within an hour to take it back, after we did. You guys got caught red handed, and couldn’t play it off, so you left the map as a show of disgust, when in fact it was probably just a show. Because you came back to take a wooden keep, not long after we took it back.

You didn’t allow us to fix the major issue YOU caused, and immediately took advantage of it. Nor did you return the gold spent on Bay either.

Mate neither me nor any of the other larger Wv3 guilds have control of randoms, pugs, or other guilds. All i can tell u is this…when it happened ALL OF US left AR and didnt go back. If a group of randoms/upgrades went back in and retook it from your zerg defense…your fault not ours.

As to refunding gold for the Bay upgrade costs. Sure thing mate, how bout you take it out of the gold your exploits/hacks has cost us. Id imagine you owe us quite a bit more than we owe you for the Bay.

Rob.7624:

Dovgan.8605:

@Rob Was SM recently turned over. How is it you assume the thief was glitching? And to what purpose being a thief, would he have in SM solo? I get it though, from this point forward I will also call exploiting on every single thing I see the other servers do with screen shots that don’t really show anything at all because it always must be exploits. Stop falling down to the lowest common denominator and report the player using the in game tools you are provided if you truly feel someone is exploiting game mechanics.

We’ve held SM for an hour or so and have been inside defending it since. There wasn’t a breach of SM when that pic was taken. And probably one of the most extensive mesmer sweeps. Do you really think a thief could hide for on hour inside SM while the entire NSP zerg occupies it? And yes, we have been using all the floors.
It is merely my word against er.. yours I suppose if you want to defend this thief?
What he would have gained is the extent of siege in our Lords room and he was also wiping our siege off the northern inner gate. As AR was attacking it at the time to no avail.

I’ll toss my lot in with you Bird Song…AR seems to be full of failboat Wv3rs who have to resort to cheating to get ahead, although very briefly. Sad fact is those failboats cast dubious shadows on those in AR that are true gamers at heart and are awesome to fight against.

Oh, public apology for calling out [Os] in my post earlier on the AR hack twits, seems there’s an [OS] guild on AR. Sorry for any Os tarnishing it might have caused and hope folks that read that post read this one.

Reido Kyuuten.4709:

Drednyte.7601:

Reido Kyuuten.4709:

To the ~15 [PRO] who died up on the cliff and in the camp at Faithleap not long ago:

Thanks for the loot and laughs. It was especially funny to see the eles mist form suicide off the cliff.

And then to those who just got stomped up at Titanpaw by my OP plush griffon form:

You’re welcome.

~The Wolfpack & Associates

Um….hasnt been more than 7 PRO online for near 2 hours. No counting pets!! They dont pay membership dues and i cant kick em! lol

Wasnt there so not sure the fight youre talkin bout. Gratz tho =)

There was maybe 1 pet but there were 9-10 [PRO] for sure at first and maybe more came back after respawning, though I don’t think the fight was that long. I just think it was other reinforcements. Also it happened probably 30-60min before I actually posted if that makes better sense to you.

Ahhh….k…darn missed a good fight..lol well gratz anyways!

Btw..u do know the “killing PRO rule” dont u? If a precurser drops you’re required to mail it to me. Its in the TOS posted by Anet, the rule at the very bottom of the page. What you think is a period is the rule in fine print. ty

Reido Kyuuten.4709:

To the ~15 [PRO] who died up on the cliff and in the camp at Faithleap not long ago:

Thanks for the loot and laughs. It was especially funny to see the eles mist form suicide off the cliff.

And then to those who just got stomped up at Titanpaw by my OP plush griffon form:

You’re welcome.

~The Wolfpack & Associates

Um….hasnt been more than 7 PRO online for near 2 hours. No counting pets!! They dont pay membership dues and i cant kick em! lol

Wasnt there so not sure the fight youre talkin bout. Gratz tho =)

MrHaze.3690:

Drednyte.7601:

AR server…can you please find out who is using hacks/exploits to take the keeps on DR BL and report them please. They took a fully upgraded Hills with all walls/gates up. And no, lets not even attempt to claim some mez had been left in there for the last 7-8 hours cuz we all know thats a load. There was a DR member standing on the outer walls, the Hills WP was never contested and then it converts to AR.

We all know a lot of folks on your server knows whose using the exploits/hacks. AR has some fine gamers on it, its a shame the entire server’s rep is being drawn down because of the lameness of a few who have to resort to cheating because they lack skill to actually win the right way.

Yes we know you zerged the Bay with bunch of golems vs 5-6 players to “draw attention” but we also know you didnt ninja the Hills.

You can do something about it yourself, or I’ll move a character onto your server to find out whose doing it, report them via FRAPS to Anet. That will most likely result in a lot of players ‘caught up in the moment of curiosity’ getting hosed.

You know whose doing it, now do something about it.

I was part of the group attacking Bay, simultaniously with 5 Golems, just FYI our group didn’t even know about Hills until after Bay was capped, we just wanted Bay because our Norn commander who everyone seems to be fond of running from gets upset when his Bay is reset.

Our understanding is that another group used us as a distraction (without our knowledge) and rushed Hills with 5 Golems. Are you sure no one slipped up?

Props on the golems at Bay…Hills though..for shame. Even more so that its obvious some folks in this thread knows whose doing it, but either they are part of it or they condone it.

@ those commenting on who should be attacking who.

- #1 should be attacking #2 to widen the point gap for higher rating on points tally. But if #1 controls their BL and the majority/all of EB..it doesnt matter. Controlling those 2 = guaranteed win every week. #1 MUST be capable of fighting off AND maintaining points vs both the other servers.

- #2 should attack #1 ONLY if they can fight off 2 servers to maintain #1 if they take it. If not, you concentrate firepower on #3 to widen the point gap to secure #2 and wait for #1 to move up in tier.

- #3 should attack #2 to overtake and move into the #2 position. At #3 its obvious you cant hold out a fight vs 2 servers so #3 should concentrate on trying to attain and hold 2nd, ie: do not attack #1 at all. Typically #1 realizes you’re not attacking and mostly leaves you alone except for the karma trains.

- #2 and #3 teaming up on #1 leads to guess what…one of them either has to concede the #1 spot or one of them will end up fighting 2 servers which in most cases the server they teamed up on eventually retakes #1. Again, if you cant hold and dominate in points vs 2 servers, its a waste to even try. Know your limitations and dominate within that bubble, ie: hold #2 securely and bid your time.

Thats the long game fellas..thats how you progress up the tiers. Know your server, know who you’re fighting and your chances of successfully beating them. Losing doesnt mean their better and you suck…just means your trying to win a race against a Ferrari while you’re driving a Hundai…aint gonna happen. Once you know the area you can dominate, you dominate it!

DR has a combination of population, skilled commanders, and skilled gamers to successfully hold #1 vs 2 servers. AR and NSP have population, the first match when DR moved up proved that. So it’s either your Commanders, folks not listening to them, or lack of server teamwork/communication that hindered you both. (i’d bet on folks not listening to commanders imho). AR already stated its guilds are mainly PvE..that hurts the server in Wv3 because the typical PvEr bails when they’re not winning and goes back to PvE. Not sure about NSP. Both AR and NSP have some awesome night crews, i honestly believe your night crews could do a lot more than they currently do btw. Fighting against both, i believe NSP could make a serious threat on AR BL if they wanted on late night.

With DR normally in control of their BL and EB, we sorta go where the fights are at. I think NSP backs off and lets us have points in their BL when they start losing key points, whereas AR puts up a heavy defense everywhere on their BL. Typically the zerg trains i think go to NSP BL and the Wv3rs looking for the tuffer late night fights go to AR to play. When we’re on AR BL I dont think taking points is what we’re after, its more the fun fights. Taking anything is just a perk. Some AWESOME fights at the Bay on AR BL btw…lol. (note: comments made are mostly from what Im told by members of all 3 servers on primetime and what i witness on latenight)

NO bashing intended, just constructive criticism. All 3 servers have fought great fights so far. But every week there always will be a #1, #2, #3. In the end its the fun that matters though and giving props/respect to those you feel earned it. AR/NSP, nuttin but luv for you both!

Pedra.4381:

Nuzt.7894:

It actually happens more then you think, they are not super heroes but when you have a group of talented players playing together using vent/TS/Mumble/whatever you would be amazed at what they can pull off.

I give props to all the guys/gals regardless of server who do this, its more helpful to the server then people give them credit for.

Oh, I know extraordinary things can happen. I used to be a DAoC RvR junky and I’ve seen zergs break apart after running into a buzz saw known as a Hungry Hungry Hippos 8 man (and no I wasn’t a Hippo).

What I’m saying is that I’ve yet to see that kind of carnage from any DR guild in this WvW match (except claims of it here on the forum, of course).

Here you go…
1 – AR 20+ zerg wiped by 5-6 DR
2 – NSP 25+ zerg pushed back to tower 3 times by 10-15 DR
3 – NSP zerg wiped by 5-6 DR (think this was a karma train btw)

I tried to get screenshots of AR/NSP doing the same to DR but most times i was spiked before I could get the shot. (i like the map timestamp on pics like that) All 3 servers have some awesome small groups that have the ability to go ape on larger zergs and come out on top. I’ve been on the receiving end of that too btw =) Props to all 3 for their skilled gamers in small or large groups!

Nuzt.7894:

HackerTeivospy.2031:

helo im teivospy

on a side note, from what I have seen all of you are angry, i suggest to find your centers and forget the pain of wvwvw. strength through iron will and discipline, not through hate and sadness.

~teivospy

woooooooooosah! wooooooooosah! woooooooooosah! oh man..cant find ma center, helpz!

Godfather.8217:

StormWolf.7645:

osif.8673:

I like how you keep on insulting people/servers/guilds and then go on to say “oh, but I don’t mean any offense.” I’m going to start using that. I think I might walk up to a girl sometime and say, “Hey, you’re really fat. But I’m not trying to be offensive, just stating my opinion. Fatty.” I think she might take it pretty well.

That’s a horrible analogy. Much better would be “Yes that dress makes your butt look big, but if you change into a different dress like this one it would accentuate everything perfectly!” You’re taking criticism and observation of what you’re lacking as insults, which will only prevent you from improving rather than considering what I’ve said and looking at ways to improve. You’re really only proving my point about NSP having a problem with people who don’t listen.

I get it, I really do, you want to think your Server would be better and win if you had equal numbers to DR, but I disagree. It isn’t that I think you never could, just that as-is NSP is lacking in communication. There are only 2 “Effective” tactics I’ve seen from NSP since I’ve been on here, the smaller groups doing Ninja-moves, taking things before the enemy can respond…and Zerging to the point where you outnumber them ridiculously.

I’ll use an example: Just a little while ago NSP attacked DRBL, they did great and took DR’s Garri and Bay. Meanwhile DR was preparing Hills for the attack and built up it’s defenses so when you got there the zerg was beaten. That’s all right, it happens…but then DR split into several groups…one retook Bay, one retook Garri, and the third held off your return attack, not with the intention of beating you, just to keep you busy until both other groups finished re-taking the Keeps and returned.

End result: A wipe and lost everything in DRBL.

Why? Because DR used superior tactics and communication, they were able to utilize both small-unit groups and large-unit groups. NSP is not BAD….DR is simply better at this moment. Now stop taking it as an insult and maybe look for ways to improve Server unity/usefulness, utilize all of your Guilds and strengths to their utmost.

I am pleased to see the force of NSP finally do what I have always felt they were capable of doing. Congratulations guys!

Now for DR, you guys are so full of yourselves, better tactics, better strategy, simply better overall. You must stare at yourselves and think your gods. I guarantee that NSP used a substantial force to hit you, but not enough to cover the map. Even when i hit DR I know that once we hit you, we have to do things fast, because I know that you guys can muster twice the people on the map as we have trying to take it. Don’t flatter yourselves with having small numbers retaking things when in reality they aren’t. As an attacker NSP had to decide where to focus, why because with the amount of people you have, you have to make use of them. The fact NSP or AR can catch your places off guard and reset them clearly shows your not that great.

I’ll say the same thing i told BP when they were here bragging, posting pics of their almighty “Strategic” prowess. Those guilds that transferred into DR can easily transfer right back out. They have no loyalty, but to themselves. Good luck to you guys in the next tier. BP > DR in coverage, at least with them they can cover 3 of the maps, you guys can’t even keep an eye on your own borderlands.

Mate you do realized you threw out some DR hateraid there based on comments from a troll thats not even in this tier group! DR didnt state that, it was a troll from Kaineng who fled the server cuz it was losing, came to NSP, bashed you guys all up and down in the forums, and now is running off to AR on reset cuz he’s burned the bridges on NSP.

Ive always said both NSP and AR are awesome with some kick kitten gamers. The only 2 things I’d offer advice on is: 1) dont play glass cannons in Wv3 and 2) you have numbers just dont push them correctly, 30 folks late night defending your BL when its getting attacked by 5-10 folks…split them and do some serious dmg on another map.

Props and respect to yas tho!

Kodiack.2783:

StormWolf.7645:

Why? Because DR used superior tactics and communication, they were able to utilize both small-unit groups and large-unit groups. NSP is not BAD….DR is simply better at this moment. Now stop taking it as an insult and maybe look for ways to improve Server unity/usefulness, utilize all of your Guilds and strengths to their utmost.

I’ll save this for next week.

-K

Oh boy…KAIN seems to have opened a can o’whooopty kitten /p>

Morningstar.6208:

We will be on valley keep next week that I don’t like.

Ahhh but ma lil padawan, the keep has a secret you have not learned yet. Get with me in game and I’ll show it to you on reset. =)

Morningstar.6208:

I just want everybody from Devona to stop giving out our tactics on public forums. Thank you.

Shhhhh….everyone needs to learn! The more we all know the better the fights will be!

Now get outta da forums and back into EB darn you! The time it took you to post here you lost a supply camp! oh lordy…someone take his icon away for a day….or maybe we could jst report him and get another 72hr ban…..hahahahahah (jk)

Npac.3476:

What guild are you in Storm? If NSP is going down at the end of the week PAXA needs a new guild to hunt.

lol…im pretty sure Kaineng is going to have a nice eye opener from NSP here on reset. Kaineng’s prime time shift is bout average, its their late night guild that transfered from upper tier is what’s pushing them upwards now. But NSP has a very nasty lil late crew themselves. Almost tempted to move an account just to see the fights first hand.

Gluck NSP! Just remember this…Kaineng came from the ghetto where street fighting was the norm. Dont expect a roll-over.

Psychatog.8246:

jkctmc.8754:

Drednyte.7601:

SOS…lol. why are u camping inside the NPCs at the supply camp right now. There’s like 6 DR folks there and 7-8 of you. And you hide in the NPCs? rofl

All good though, still getting my loot bags =)

Why do you wait for the top players of our guild to be at work, or doing things with our family to talk trash?

Fight our top crews, we’ll set up the times.

or you know, you could assault keeps and defend them, why should we go out of our way if points aren’t involved.

and as annoying as dred can be sometimes, his general play time IS late at night. he also isn’t pros “top player”, so fights seems valid to me.

the bigger question is why do you imply that your guild has such a big intra-guild skill gap.

This made me laugh too….now imma get all up into a fello PRO!!! lawl

First – u want to fight PRO…come bring it, we’re on the maps completing objectives. Meet us at the receiving end of one and guarantee you’ll have a fun fight.

- ME ANOYING!!! OMGAWD! Thats it..demoting you down to Purple Thbr!
- Not one of PRO’s top players! oh man…i’ll challenge any PRO member! For that matter our lil late night crew will PWN any other PRO team. you all have it easy with numbers, us fellas on late night are the sheep fighting off the horde of wolf packs roaming for blood! BRING IT DAWG!

All joking aside…i luv ma guild, we all rock now that we’re getting more focused. I even think a few of em are working on starting up tPvP so you might start seeing some PRO teams in there as well. Gluck PRO!

Gluck to AR/NSP too…cya on the battlefield.

PS: that big white haired norn ele is me…can you tell ur rangers to all stop targetting me, stop spamming binding roots, and your warriors to stop bull rushing me. You aint gonna kill me and i just dont have enough time to get the darn spike off!

HackerTeivospy.2031:

helo im teivospy, i run around alone in NSP or with my one friend “the lad guy”. i am guild leader of the [DMG] guild and #1 thief in wpvp. I use shadow trap to outplay all of you dogs that have no idea how to play their class unless a guide tells them what to do. Unfortunately I am out of practice in 1v1 because I can never find any 1v1’s to adjust my tactics. All of you run to forts or to zergs instead of standing and fighting. PLS STOP THIS i want to be good at this gaME and only way to do that is to actually be a man and fiGHT. Too many times I have killed dog commanders only to have them sick 50 people onto me using their ability “warp in the entire server”. It is a fire field and can combo to give stacks of might.

on a side note, from what I have seen all of you are angry, i suggest to find your centers and forget the pain of wvwvw. strength through iron will and discipline, not through hate and sadness.

~teivospy

Made me laugh…ur in Wv3 raging cuz you cant get a 1v1? wow mate..learn the game…spvp is where you need to be, not in a TEAM matchup. Gluck to yas though =)

DR has a night crew?? omgawd….since when? I game late night and more often than not we got the outmanned buff. yet see 30+ man zergs from AR and NSP at 2-3+am late night. If that’s what your calling a ‘skeleton crew’…imma jst laugh at that.

Well..weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Happy New Years everyone…what’s your resolution for the new year? Mine is to once and for all PWN that darn Dolyak up north! I swear, he’s NOT gettin outta ma crosshairs this year!

Dhampyr.2104:

Drednyte.7601:

Stormwolf/Dhampyr…both you are on Kaineng server. Why do you even comment on this thread? Go help your server, we dont need you here trolling.

Dude, relax. I know you’re probably used to everyone having a go at you, but that’s not the case with me. For the record, I wasn’t trolling you. If you scroll through my posts on the DR/AR/NSP thread, I have a ton of respect for DR and have been cheering for you guys ever since you left T8.

Also, there are a bunch of DR folks that post in the Kaineng/ET/FC thread as well, and it’s all worthwhile and I wouldn’t want that to stop.

As for why I’m on this thread – I like to see how you’re doing, minus all the forum infighting.

Sorry for the offtopic, wanted to clarify.

Have my man babies!

Nice zerg you had on DR Bl AR!!!! looks to be about 25-30 folks pretty much all glass cannon builds though. =(

Props to the DR force a third of their size that stopped them at paper gates Cragtop!

Stormwolf/Dhampyr…both you are on Kaineng server. Why do you even comment on this thread? Go help your server, we dont need you here trolling.

AR/NSP/DR – all have high population servers. DR may have a larger Wv3 pop but thats because AR/NSP prob have more PvErs that only Wv3 when its a win or a massive zerg on their side running the maps PvDooring. (just opinion mind you) First week DR was in this bracket, there was a pretty even Wv3 pop for the first 3-4 days…then AR/NSP dwindled. Their pop is there, jst not in Wv3.

SOS…lol. why are u camping inside the NPCs at the supply camp right now. There’s like 6 DR folks there and 7-8 of you. And you hide in the NPCs? rofl

All good though, still getting my loot bags =)

@jkctmc
Not bashing mate. But the population issue that keeps cropping up is a joke. Pretty even Wv3 pops when we first got here. If AR and NSP can field 30+ man zergs 24/7 to defend homeland..they can push outwards too. The glass cannon builds both of you have are hurting your pushes in a major way. That’s not bashing, thats statements of fact. The small group fighting, that ALWAYS crop up when servers start losing. My comment on them were simply they do nothing for server progression when they’re out there with only a “fight” as an objective.

It’s just old and anoying reading threads from servers not winning just bashing and making excuses. You both are high population servers that can/have fielded some very large numbers in Wv3. The fact that your server population in Wv3 has dwindled isnt DR’s fault.

I’ve fought pretty hard against both servers and from my perspective either of you are capable of winning the week. But its tiring to see all the blame and excuses that get posted. It’s not DR’s fault some of your better commanders in AR rage quit from Wv3 this week. It’s not DR’s fault some of NSP’s Wv3 guilds are doing PvE events this week because they’re tired of losing in Wv3. The “population” gap that folks keep harking about isnt due to DR getting an increase in population as we’ve had none.

Ive said it before and I’ll continue to say it: AR/NSP props to your Wv3 crews. They are awesome fighters and can always expect a good fight anytime I run into them.

Godfather.8217:

My guild is here to have fun, infact my guys have called you all out, where are u.., where are those small teams running around as DR keeps insisting that’s what you do. Since we encountered your premade ele’s and thieves, with that 1 or two mesmers.., SOS has formed our own team.., and since then we’ve destroyed your small teams, but ya know what, we didn’t post any videos, we didn’t brag, because there’s no need for it. We want to fight you, and that’s why we are always in DR. So far DR has not impressed me, some of your smaller squad based guild groups have, but overall the server is quite obnoxious, and has less tactical strategy than a dolyak trying to reach it’s destination without dying.

Running around in small teams doing nothing but open field fighting does what exactly for your server in regards to progression? Dont get me wrong, small teams are a must for Wv3, but they must have an objective in the field, not just “lets go find someone to fight.”

All the talk of “where are you”, “we’re not impressed”, blah blah. You want to impress, win the week, progress as a server. What you’re doing is typical for servers who start losing, give up on strat and fall back to small group fighting. Yea its fun, but 90% of your fights are vs other groups of mostly randoms/pugs and not structured groups. So no real challenge there in those fights. There’s a place for small group fighting, its called tPvP not Wv3. Nothing wrong with what your doing, its where you’re choosing to do it that isnt helping your server. If you’re looking for small group fighting go tPvP vs other players looking for it. Unless thats not what your looking for. You’re actually looking for groups not coordinated but just together for an easy wipe so you can chest thump. Its ok I guess, but again….does nothing for your server. DR is focused on progression, you want to meet us on that field of battle bring it. But if you just want to cry out from the shadows for field fighting…feel free to do it, just dont expect much in return. Its not cowardice as you’re probably going to call it. We at DR just know there’s nothing in it for the server, we dont need to chest thump, we’re moving up on reset, and you?

Sigh…DR bashing yet again. DR’s been hearing it since waaaaay back when PRO first moved to DR and DR started its winning streak that’s lasted until now. Here’s a bit of history.

DR was literally last place and pretty much got owned any/everywhere they went. Moozilla (RED)/Gasmic (GASM) and a few other leading Wv3 guilds banded together, came up with a plan to try to turn things around. PRO was looking for better competition so we moved all the way down, not up, and hit DR right as Moo/Gasmic implemented the plan. Perfect timing, they had the plan and a tentative Wv3 population, PRO had the commanders and a core Wv3 pop that could get stuff done. That combined turned into a win for DR, it was an awesome TEAM effort to get us where we are. Now Kain/Ferg hark in the forums about “population” blah blah…it wasnt population back then, that didnt happen until around week 4-5 of the fighting. Until then it was pure teamwork/coordination and strats.

Now DR is here and AR/NSP fielding the same tired old “excuses”. Now I’m basing my opinion on what I’m seeing mind you. In EB..yea there’s a lot of DR, but I’ve also seen some 30+ zerg numbers from both servers. Your borderlands is whats killing you. Every day I go into one there’s an easy 3-4:1 odds against us DR. Last night is prime example, 3am there’s a 30 man team in AR BL fighting about 8-10 of us tops. And we continuously pushed you back to either the Bay or the tower. Happens in NSP the same way too.

I dont think there’s a “huge” population problem as during the first week pretty much even numbers on any map you went to. You guys lost and i think your fair weather fighters bounced on you. (nothing to do with DR) Your problem is very simple i think. You both have some GREAT gamers who are tuff and put up some awesome fights. But when 1 ele can fly into a group of you and drop 1 round of AoE and leave 4-5 of you in downed state….THAT’S YOUR ISSUE! Both servers are going into Wv3 in PvE spec/gear. If you’re melee, you should be in pwr/tough/vit gear, not pwr/prec/crit. Ranged should be in a mix of survivability balanced with dmg. It’s great hitting 25k on a one shot to someone, but if you die in one hit you do nothing for your team.

AR/NSP you both have population so dont try to say you dont, they were there on week 1. They havent transfered, they’re just not in Wv3, not our fault. Get them motivated! DR weak spot is late night, where ive seen 30+ man zergs from both of you on regular basis. But your zergs wont do anything but zerg/die in most cases. Or wait and spawn the NPC event so the 30 man zerg can hide behind it to take a tower. (lame btw especially when theres like 4-5 defenders at the tower)

Will DR get an eye opener in T5…well yes we will. We have a lot of players who are on the “we’re winning” band wagon who I believe will drop back into PvE in T5. DR has some really good commanders and some awesome players who realize teamwork > zerging. But I do believe T5 will give us our first real taste of Wv3 strat fighting. DR still likes to hit all the maps even when DR is getting taken. It should be interesting and fun.

Well, thats my piece. AR/NSP you got good players and players that know winning strats (with or without the icon). Listen to em, gear for Wv3 and not PvE, and get coordinated and you’ll be a force to be wreckoned with. Because if you dont get into a Wv3 mindset, Kaineng is going to mop the floor with both of you. We fought them for a long time and all the “weeds” were pulled out of that server. You have a very nasty group of fighters coming your way who are skilled at sieging strat as well as small tac team fighting. Numbers will be about even so unless you change something else, you’re heading toward T7.

Happy new years all…AR…really…REALLY!!! 4 of us and u cant take a simple camp unless u send this at us? lawl

Happy New years..weeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Gangrenous.6314:

osif.8673:

jkctmc.8754:

Jscull.2514:

Thank God there are people running ONLY 5 mans. I thought it was just PAXA and the rest were zergalites.

Need 5 mans running up north in borderlands…always just add on fights in the south. I cant recall a single fight tho in the past week with 5 SoS members.

Every time I’ve encountered you guys, it’s usually you outnumbering us, or us outnumbering you.

Hmm… well considering we have 5 active players in our guild we rarely encounter fights where we aren’t outnumbered. The groups I’ve seen of SOS have been either small gank groups of 2-3 people or 10+ with some PUGs following. We do sometimes partner up with [Splt] but we don’t get bigger than 8… I do remember fighting your larger group with them which lead to some fun times but I usually don’t tend to remember running into the smaller groups as they aren’t really a “fight.” I remember the ganks from when I just run around solo

I have to call bunk on that one. Last night there was a large group of [PAXA] and [SPLT] running around. It was way more then 8 of you. Might of only been 5 [PAXA] but there was a lot of [SPLT] and pugs. I know you can do nothing about the pugs following you around, but that was no small group you had last night…. that was a zerg in my book.

I showed up for part of the PAXA/Splt zerg. Looked to be about even numbers on both sides when we hit you at the tower west of Garrison where you’d set up catapults. Once we split your forces you dropped pretty quick due to being spread out and couldnt support each other. Great fight though. Wasnt in on any of the smaller group fighting. But have heard both of you are some awesome players with great teamwork going. Keep it up!

Oh…if you only have 5 active players!!!! Move to DR =) Join PRO or not..but I’d love to see more small tac teams on DR with objectives in mind.

PRO doesnt field small “out to fight” teams for the most part, if we field a small team they have a specific objective in mind.

jkctmc.8754:

osif.8673:

Rinzler.8072:

Calling out AD…….our SOS A-team has been itchin to have a battle with you guys. So far it looks like you are the best 5-man out there, we wanna test our skills! Since we formed our 5man we have had trouble finding ya. You actually inspired me to form my 5-man since i saw your video wiping the floor with SoS, lol.

I for one would love to have an open battle 5v5 skirmish no NPC interference. I don’t think I’ve been on if PAXA has run into your 5 man, SoS has always outnumbered us when I’ve been around. Although WvW isn’t built for “fair fights,” I’d like to see how we fair against your A-Team in an even match! Maybe not today with NYE celebrations happening, but sometime would be great! I’m also down for some 1v1s if anyone would like… that’s the best way to understand how to counter a class imo and am always up for those!

You guys outnumber us sometimes too.

I love fighting PAXA people, and that darned PRO Elementalist. You keep me on my toes, and I’ve really been enjoying my Ranger again lately. I havn’t touched my Thief for days now.

Which PRO ele you talkin about?

@Stormwolf from Kaineng

PRO literally booted about half the guild on one reset, we got rid of a LOT of dead weight and has since become a ton better. As for if/when Kaineng and DR meet again, it should be a fun fight, but with your EU guild transfer in for your night shift it will probably be onesided as DR still hasnt got a decent coordinated night crew. There are a very few PRO/GASM/Rega and a few others that can field 5 or so gamers per guild late night. That just wont cut it as you rise in tiers.

Glad to see Kaineng is roflstomping now. Shame it’s as one sided as when DR was down there. You should have a roflstomp in T7 too from what I’m seeing and being told. T6 could be a better fight, your US primetime is gonna have to step it up as AR and NSP (if u fight them) both have nice late crews.

Gratz NSP on getting your Hills back! It took you over 6 hours and a zerg of around 40 to push out 8 of us…ROFL….lawl…great fight!

Loved Wv3 tonight….keep it up.

Oh..who was the ranger commander I kept downing. He get hit he runs to the back quick boyee. lol

All good fun though, great fights. Wish DR had a night crew like you all darn it.

lol..again..we take the supply camp..3 of us there..and down teh stairs comes bout 20 of you NSP folks..ROFL. wow…u obviously got population here..why are you all camping citidel?