Guild Wars 2

Chaster Sharpshooter.3640:

On the side note: why did you give them so much power that they can even demote you? lol XD

Co-guild leaders per my request to Phyzin, original guild leader who went offline for a bit due to real life emergency issue, as I didnt want to run it at all but he pressed me into a compromise. Folks of same guild rank can demote others. They waited until I was offfline and did it.

Chaster Sharpshooter.3640:

From what I’ve heard, it was because the Leader of Pro got demoted by Pro’s War Counsel for making order to move to Magumma.

Hello Chaster, let me see if i can clarify some history for you. I never once “made an order to move.” If you want to know what happened, here you go:

I was tired of DR’s lack of adapting/learning Wv3 for progression as, to me, the server as a whole hadnt shown anything but mainly zerg strats for over 2 months PRO had been there. I asked the guild if they would consider transfer, general consensus was a flat no. I informed the guild I would be leaving as my game time and the style of game play on DR wasnt lining up. When I logged off the guild backstabbed me. It upset quite a few folks, some of which moved when I moved. Unfortunately for PRO those that moved were the core Wv3rs in PRO. There was adamant statements from Eyanthina/Darwinism and a few others about “never leaving DR”. When my son noticed PRO on Dragonbrand alongside some GASM, he posted in the forums asking what happened. PRO promptly kicked him from the guild when he was offline. As yet, still claiming not moving and never answered any questions on it. Within days the current guild leader, Eyanthina, moved PRO to Dragonbrand.

- I posted in forums as a “joke” that PRO was transfering. PRO’s response was: (this was 2 weeks ago mind you!)

OK in response to this thread regarding what Dred or Nytemyst posted. PRO is NOT and I REPEAT NOT transferring servers, OUR GUILD IS STAYING ON Devonas. This post by Dred last night was a practical joke or early April fools prank that he felt was going to be amusing. For anyone who has witnessed Dreds forum posting habits you know he is full of hot air most of the time and that he shouldn’t be taken too seriously with many things.
PRO is on DR to stay, and if it wasn’t I would not have spent so much time trying to build an alliance with other DR guilds, don’t take the words of one player to stand for the consensus of our entire guild.
Eyanthina [PRO] Officer!

A week later, PRO transfers. There was no “long thought out discussion and debate”.

The few who went with me tested the waters at Yak’s Bend briefly, made a name for ourselves as one tuff lil group the first 5 days there, we’re now on Fort Aspenwood checking it out.

Hope this shed some light on actual events and not how some would like them portrayed. Some great players on DR, never said otherwise, as well as the servers we fought.

If it’s any concilation, my lil group ran into PRO last night. It was 4 HELL vs 6 PRO….HELL: 6 loot bags, PRO: 0 After that we had to go through the Dragonbrand zerg to get to the PRO tags. Still managed to drop a few. Eventually they looked to have left the field and took up defending the Bay from inside cuz the only time we saw them after that was when it was a 30ish DB zerg and they were in the rear following.

akanibbles.6237:

what is the latest score please?

Dunno..cant see the score for the bright green on the maps….hahahah

Hey Ebay..u like that Hills defense just now..it was pretty intense for a lil bit…rofl

Was jst in Eternal BG goofin off with couple guildees on upgrades. 3 of us and 4 Drag folks showed up…got kitten chased back into their keep 3 times. Then along came support for em, bout 3 more. Yea we wiped, but not before collecting couple more loot bags. So figured heck..lemme get an 80 to go along with their 80s. Show back up..kitten stomped em back to 2 towers. One guardian with a staff made me die laughing. He was fine long as he was in the bag pew pewin, get hit once or run towards him and he hauled butt into a tower lol….80 btw not an upgrade. My teamies head back to YB BL to clean it up..im a bit bored so i jst goof off running around Eternal. Decided wtheck, lemme jump a camp. 5 Drags waited until i attacked a camp solo then engaged…hahahahahah. WOW is bout all i can say to Drag’s night crew. You guys are great at 2 things it looks like: PvDoor and Running Through Doors to hide. Oh..well 3 if you count calling for help to take out 1 ele vs 5 Drags, go zergs!. lol

Well, was boring night so far, made me laugh so was all good i guess.

Oh yea..who was that lil 5 man we chased back into OL..and the ranger taht i spiked on the steps when he got froggy? Spiked in middle of all those NPCs and his teamates. =)

morrolan.9608:

Pendragon.8735:

Anet understood this in PVE, as more people joined an event, it scaled up in difficulty with more mobs, more health on them, etc. A reward should be commensurate to the level of difficulty. If you are doing something incredibly easy the reward should be less.

Weight every point tic by the population of each server at each tic.

Even if u mitigated points, it’s still going to give the server with the larger zergs who can cap more points the advantage, just not a huge gap. And this would “punish” players playing in non “zerg” times as their efforts wouldnt count as much. Simplest way is to prevent those huge population disadvantages period. Force players to balance populations on servers instead of trying to get Anet to figure it out. Free transfers, forced population limits based on percentage cap. Eventually, id say 3-4 weeks, you’ll see almost all servers with almost the same population in Wv3. Then skill, strats, tactics, teamwork, and coordination will come to the front. numbers will only be meaningful in “small” skirmishes.

Pendragon.8735:

Drednyte.7601:

perfect fix for the massive zergs: anet implement a no more than 5% population advantage on a map.

The solution for more competitive matches is not to prevent people from playing, that’s bad for business, and unfair to those from dif time zones, but rather to scale points based on population. A tower that has not been attacked in 3 hours should not be worth one that is constantly under siege and was won in a 30 vs 30 brutal takeover.

This way more of the points in a match would be decided by players actually fighting players, instead of who gets to over more NPCs.

Yea, but that would require some pretty hefty code checks for every point on all the maps, that could cause lot of stability issues. Easier to force balance map population than point gains. You force a balanced population then player skills will have to increase or you’ll get rick rolled and pushed down. Zerg mentality goes to the bye bye and open field combat gets better alongside siege warfare. Forced pop balance would also negate all the transfers to "winning"servers cuz as increased Wv3 pops start to rise, queue times will rise along with it. Transfering to “win” then not getting to actually play will result in less transfers and more inner server teamwork/coordination.

Sykper.6583:

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Alright, I confess, it’s been nagging me all this time, but I cannot take not knowing anymore! Forget the backlash I must know!

What does ‘Kitten’ mean?! Where did it come from?! I have a feeling what it might mean…but not sure.

Its Anet code for kitten, kitten, kitten kitten, kitten kitten, kitten.

k, well i tried to define it but it seems the Anet filter world replacement is in high gear.

Kyiske.4632:

Why does it seem like that most ppl feel that the DB NA Night crew have never vsed servers that have the same night crew number as them. We stayed when guilds like Tsym ditched us for sea of sorrows. Oh yea, and it was after we vsed servers like jade quarry. We have vsed those servers and we have gone up against their night crew. Not saying we will definitely win, but the Night crew of DB have been here in Dragonbrand for a long time. We didnt always just PvDoor, it was only when we dropped down the tiers when our big NA guilds ditched us for sea of sorrows.

Sorry mate, didnt mean anything i posted as a “bash” on DB server. Fully understandable that short of youre night crew slimming down, which you wouldnt want that, there’s really nothing you can do about it. Right now you got a night crew pushing your points, which is kewl. Hopefully they’ll push you upwards so you can have a better fight as I’m sure it gets a bit boring late night. Only problem i see for you is your NA primetime is about average so you might get kitten spanked on NA primetime if you move up. A solid primetime with your night crew and I could see DB going into T2 easy.

Props to ya night crew! Wish Yak had em…hey now there’s an idea! Half of your night crew is now required to transfer to Yak’s Bend. Glad we found a compromise.

eye floater.7140:

Hey DB in Eternal, see Ehmry? See all of those towers and camps you could camp? Now look at Yaks. See anything we own? Yeah, I know, we have no one on right now, so why not go take some of EB’s kitten? It has to be more fun than spawn camping Yaks, right?

So k mate…dont let DB PvDoor night crew get you wound up. They’re enjoying the fun to see their colors on the maps. Fun will end soon enough when they run up into a server that can field a night crew like them. As we’ve already seen on daily matchups during NA primetime, when its balanced teams DB tends to be defending/losing more than gaining. It’s only when they can field those 3-4:1 odds on late night they make headway.

Wizardauz.3761:

And you’re also correct in that they’re good guilds on DB and YB. Most notably from Yaks Bend,[HELL], [HATE], [OF] and yes i do remember a skirmish between [Rawr]. Always down for a match or organizing a fight club, feel free to drop me a message.

From Dragonbrand… its hard to tell sometimes. I’ve had good fights with both [BS] and [Krew]. But your servers massive size combined with the steady mix of guild tags often masks if they’re many small group ops that you run. But yes [Krew] is definitely been spotted running smaller groups…. But you guys are near the only ones that or the rest are focusing on DB.

Good fights all around, much respect to both servers. Looking forward to the rest of the match up.

Oh wow…we, [HELL], got a kudos! We’ve only been on Yaks for just shy of a week and there’s less than 15 of us with 6-8 online during our peak times. But I’d like to think we’re pretty vicious in the field and darn near unbreakable on defense. We always love a good fight, you’ll find us on the map seeking map objectives for points or shutting down points of another server. Oh…and we LOVE to ninja! You’ll almost always find us not at the tip of the Yaks spear…more often than not we’re already knee deep in the center of the enemy zerg when the spear shows up.

Tynan.6279:

Drednyte.7601:

perfect fix for the massive zergs: anet implement a no more than 5% population advantage on a map. That way regardless of time, maps are always basically even populated. Longer queues, maybe…force players to stop stacking on one server and spread out on them all.

This would never work… Then servers like DB that like to tick 500+ points when the NA servers work and sleep wouldn’t be able to play.

not true, can set a minimum number allowed on a map before the 5% rule kicks in. Can still queue and Wv3, just cant field those massive 3-4:1 odds that’s going on now on some servers. If you’ve ever been on a zerg 24/7 server you’ll know they pretty much blow chunks. once the maps all the same color…Wv3 = dead. Other servers just go do PvE so it ends up a boring week.

Evalana.5480:

Drednyte.7601

Here’s a pic to show what im talkin bout. =)

So YOU’RE the ele with the golems in a box that my guild was talking about?!?!?! lol

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…gotta love those lil fellas eh! Shame they’re getting deleted, oh well fun while it lasted.

The late crew is awesome! Although our numbers cant match what our current opponents can field, we still manage to rock them repeatedly. We may end up losing a position, but not before we’ve bled them almost dry. There’s been 2 man defense teams successfully pushing off zergs of 20+!

The server as a whole rocks. Tons of teamwork, unparalleled communication and coordination. It just has a nasty gap in coverage that needs filling to lock it into an upward climbing server.

If you’re looking for fun times and great fights Yak’s Bend is definitely the server to transfer to. If you transfer get with me, I’d love to share strats and map objectives.

Caliburn.1845:

Drednyte.7601:

Oh who was this?
1 – Found you
2 – Enjoy the punt?

Lol, thats one of my guildmates, Khaotic I think. I’ll tell him you posted that so we can all laugh at him.

Had you not found him, we were stacking below to take the keep back. We thought you guys were done mesmer sweeping.

hahahah…i saw him early on. Just waited for him to portal back up. =)

Oh..and we’d already been alerted to some of you stacking. Hence i figured time to have that mez sprout some wings and FLY BABY FLY!! unfortunately you can throw a bird outta the nest, but you cant make it fly. =( He did a nice lil bounce though if that counts.

Oh yea…tell your guildee he owes me 1 gold for his failure at providing me a loot bag!

Btw – nice thread postings in here so far. Seems even toned and challenging but not trolling/flaming. Some good natured ribbing in some, but the tone still seems all in good fun.

Props to all 3 servers, guilds and players on all!

Wizardauz.3761:

You guys keep assuming for ehmry bay like you know something about us?

let me say some of us are very indifferent to the score as of late. we play for the love and the fun

plus ehmry bay is still the server i’ve found to be almost unchallenged in open combat effectiveness. i always see ebay push and successfully slaughter your zergs with significantly lower numbers on a regular basis. Too bad it does nothing for your score.

see you on the battlefield

- FTF

I’d agree with you there to a point. In balance fighting in open field or sieges..Ebay by far is tuffer to take down than Drag. (based on my fights with both that is) Drag has the huge numbers advantage late night, but it’s pretty even fight NA primetime and Drag typically falls to the bottom in PPTs and struggles to hold on to stuff.

Now wouldnt say yaks is a roll-over to Ebay either. Seen some pretty nice scraps Yaks vs Ebay that i just watched while i was eating, drinkin, etc. I’d say both servers are about balanced for the most part. Good solid fights. Props to yas!

Oh who was this?
1 – Found you
2 – Enjoy the punt?

@Exits
/agree with what ur saying. pushed during primetime but problem yaks is having is EB BL is every color but theirs yet they have a larger zerg in Yaks BL than they do on their own homeland. EB pushing one side of the map while Drag pushes the other. Its Wv3, got it, no problem. But some strats being used dont make sense, almost as if EB is helping push points to Drag. Cuz anything EB takes Drag is flipping shortly after cuz its all paper. And watching Drag zergs run right past EB folks without attacking, then rolling 2-3 Yak folks in the same spot is also funny.

Here’s a pic to show what im talkin bout. =)
1 – Drag has the camp and in there in force, soon as yak hit them..EB shows up and slams into Yaks breaking the attack. Neither EB nor Drag attacking one another. sigh

@Renee
Neither YB nor Ebay combined can field a late crew like Drag. Drag can field huge numbers no 3 maps, we’re lucky to field a decent team on 1 map late night but try to push on 2. Again…fighting a brick wall = wall wins so why do it? Just gonna bruise ya knuckles. The key is to know this, hold 2nd and let Drag move outta the tier and into a bracket more balanced for them. Short of either Ebay or Yaks getting some strong transfers in for late night…there’s nothing either of us solo or combined can do vs those zerg numbers from Drag.

Oh..not complaining mind you. Just simple truth that with Drag’s transfers in, Ebay losing, and Yaks dunno….Drag needs to move up and outta here.

Oh…and careful bout the “loser” comments mate. If you or Drag was such awesomeness you wouldnt keep getting pushed down. My comments based on logic adn whats going on late night, not calling names and puffing. Im going to enjoy the Drag/Kaineng matchup. Almost tempted to move an account just to watch the late night fights. Dont think Drag stands a chance on whats coming, but we’ll see.

Efface.8460:

Drednyte.7601:

perfect fix for the massive zergs: anet implement a no more than 5% population advantage on a map. That way regardless of time, maps are always basically even populated. Longer queues, maybe…force players to stop stacking on one server and spread out on them all.

Like fair and square, even steven?

Your kinda a cute lil bugger

No..like no more PvDoor zerg servers. Force a balanced population on all servers or a server with a forever queue time.

Rene.3268:

I personally will never understand why in a game people fight for second place. When 3rd helps 1st to take down 2nd. 3rd and 2nd should Always team up to beat down #1 as far as possible then fight it out. 2nd place is the #2 loser. Every time I see Ehmry attack Yaks, while DB has easily takeable objectives.. it boggles my mind. You take more of #1 than us, then not only are you gaining on 1st, but second as well. Not complaining.. I like barreling into you guys and being killed by a few well placed strikes.. it is a game, but I don’t understand why you guys are not playing to win rather than place?

Here’s why…if you’re vsing a server you cant beat one on one…like our current matchup. Neither YB or EB can take DBs night crew, its more than both ours combined. Now if we teamed up to gank DB, then one server will have to concede 1st place to the other…otherwise soon as we start fighting each other for first, DB steps in and rolls over us both. So either we realize our servers limitations and hold to that…or we concede to the other. Im sure nobody on either server is willing to concede 1st place.

perfect fix for the massive zergs: anet implement a no more than 5% population advantage on a map. That way regardless of time, maps are always basically even populated. Longer queues, maybe…force players to stop stacking on one server and spread out on them all.

DB’s EA guild…sigh. That attempt at the Bay on YB BL. We’ll not talk about exactly what happened there now will we, as we both know what you did. But if you want I can send you a nice pic of all of you becoming loot bags in the Lord’s room.

Someone on Ebay please explain: why do you consistantly zerg Yaks BL while your own BL is Red/Green? Not quite seeing the logic there. You guys seem to be doing this daily and all it’s doing is pushing you further and further down in rankings. Own your homeland and push out after it’s secured, thats typically the norm strat for progression.

Ive seen your numbers on Yak BL, EBG, and even in DB BL….but you outmanned in your own BL. Kinda backwards aint it?

great fights tonight Ebay and DB. Other than the massive night crew DB has, this is a solid matchup in population outside of DBs PvDoor late crew. lol……..jk

Ebay…i’ll stay out of your BL if you stop zerging mine and taking stuff when your BL is every color but your own. Me and my fellow guildmates in [HELL] been rackin up some loot bags and pushing map objectives to help get ole YB some needed points. If only we had about 50 more folks on late night…..sigh (ebay transfer!) lol

Either way, great fights on both sides. Lotta good offense and defense.

Hiyas DB!! Hope you liked [HELL]s lil ninja of the Bay while the other YakBs tied you up at the Hills. LOL….was awesome fun. Great fighting on your BL too. Do you all breed like rabbits? gawsh darnit to heck mayun, only like 5-6 of us!

Nice round of fighting today YakBs. Props to all 3 servers for giving it your all.

Someone please explain Ebays strats. They pretty much have lost their BL and EB…but their in Yaks BL in a zerg of 30+ all afternoon and night. DB…u go back to your homelands now ok. If you cant fight even numbers, youre not allowed to play in our sandbox.

No icecream for you!

WHOLE lotta fun on Yaks BL so far. Been having a blast running up into the Ebay zergs. yea thats me, that big ole santa clause lookin norn ele. rofl…NEVA roll an “in ur face” class as a norn! You make for an easy click target.

Lovin it so far though.

@ Darxio from Kaineng
“Oh look, Drednyte’s causing drama again! I have him blocked and I STILL see his mayhem.
What else is new.
Here’s hoping he doesn’t do something lame to you guys in the future like he did to Kaineng back in the old days when he came to Kaineng for a day to ‘Enjoy the awesome night crew’ (Take orb and purposely lose it to his PRO mates when I told him to stay at the alter with it) (this is a blatant lie lol by Darxio). DR deserves better, especially with undeserving Kaineng on the rise.”

First off mate, when i tranx to Kaineng i wasnt even in PRO, as to the orb the NPC broke the altar i picked it up when DR had stormed the garrison. I got snatched off the wall trying to run from the DR chasing me. Oh..and when Kaineng lost the garrison, i managed to stay hidden inside where i, yes me, portaled your entire Kaineng zerg back into Garrison where DR roflstomped you. Yea..it was all me trying to help DR. And i really liked how during that matchup you rage quite the maps and flamed ur guild/server. nuff said

Now as to me and why i left PRO/DR. Answering here and i’ll stay outta your threads. Only posting because i keep getting a lot of whispers and ingame mail on it. It’s really simple, PRO had 2 leaders with different ideas on PROs direction. I aimed for the original guild leaders direction of PRO being skilled offensive players as well as unbreakable on defense. The other guild leader wanted a more “political” approach and was content with PRO’s growing role of DR’s grunt work team (my perspective only mind you). I wasnt, voiced my opinions, still conflicted, so i left PRO and DR. Left DR because after 3 months it hadnt shown any improvement in Wv3 skills or adaptability, primarily zerged. (before you flame please read posts from your current matchup servers stating the same thing)

PRO is a great guild full of awesome gamers, one anyone should be proud to be a member of. I wish nothing but the best for PRO and for DR. Grouped with a ton of awesomeness and gonna miss you all, but what I’m looking for in Wv3 wasnt being met on DR so hence i moved. (no didnt move to a “winning” server, Yaks is actually getting owned due to population, but the server teamwork is awesome and having a blast.)

Along with me came 7-8 other PRO who also wasnt satisfied with PRO’s direction nor DR’s performance in Wv3 over the last 3 months. There was also 2 guilds that moved and around 15ish other gamers that are moving that I know of. Will more follow, dont know, up to them. But either way, wish DR and PRO all the best. From watching the forums and the matchups i think DR will stabalize at T6 and bounce T5-T7 until its gets a solid night crew.

@morningstar: luv u bro, but all i can say to your posts on me is this: read your competition servers comments on you in EB. gluck to yas

Warlord Lu Bu.7905:

A Truce with Maguuma? Ask this guy and he will tell you no, pretty sure.

Don’t give up Devona’s Rest. You guys have a good WvW population and when you show up to fight it’s obvious.

This is not proof..that guy almost had the wall down with is ram!

Besetment.9187:

KwayZee.5742:

To me its fairly obvious there’s either a Truce or its just a case of picking on the new guy. You’re never in each others BLs… Never flipping each others stuff in EB. But blue always crawling up one side of the DR while green crawling up the other.

Green attacking Bay? Go check hills or Garrison water gate cuz blue will be attacking with them at the same time. Almost always happens.

No truce. Devona’s Rest has the smallest population and narrowest coverage in this bracket, so it is the easiest one to get swallowed up. Its sad that this is what WvW is about but there it is.

Other servers we have played like to make excuses like its skill and organisation that leads to victory. They only lose because of rampant exploiting or whatever, or at least its the only thing they talk about when they are losing. Whatever.

The lame truth is that skill and organisation only matters when numbers and coverage are very closely matched or there is a very specific server dynamic where the deficiencies of each server cancel each other out.

I’ve never seen exploiting and hacking to an extent where it had any meaningful impact on the outcome of the match. However, we have played matches where huge amounts of players dogpiled onto one server and made it literally impossible for anyone else to win.

If you hadn’t realized already, WvW has an extremely dysfunctional and unsustainable meta. It is not worth making rank in a game where there is no level playing field.

Whats the best that a consistent winner in tier 5 can look forward to? They move up to tier 4 and get dominated by servers with bigger population and more coverage. The winner of that tier can look forward to getting smashed by Isle of Janthir or Tarnished Coast – whoever is destined to rule tier 3 and get murdered in tier 2. Whoever rules tier 2 (currently Blackgate) can look forward to playing Jade Quarry and Sea of Sorrows. Time will tell whether they get smashed or not, but its a pattern that repeats itself over and over, yet still more people want to play this game as if rank even matters.

Most of us on Mags just want good fair games where we can be really creative and our opponents can be really creative.

I liked this post… =)

@yorgy
Interesting read, valid in certain contex i guess. But ur not seein the bigger pic. Over 3 months PRO has been on DR. Over 3 months weve said zergs fail. Over 3 months weve said “hey, we need to upgrade and siege up before we move on”. Over 3 months weve said “need supply runners and folks to repair”. Know whats changed in over 3 months. Nuttin, same mapchats. PRO usd to be a guild great offensively and defensively. but as DR continues to zergfail vs tuffer opponents, PRO has had to do more and more of the grunt work. GASM n a few small guilds been trying. To the point DR expects us to do the “dirty” work. Its gotten old fast. Been tons of meetings with other guilds and commanders to improve teamwork, but so far, lotta talk not much action. Kudos to those trying tho. DR wasnt rdy for T5, and will drop to T6 on reset where they’ll maybe win again or continue to drop when the transfers start.

But hey, times change n people come n go. All good i guess. Props and much respect n kudos to those handful of DR’rs who are giving it their best. YOU r the reason DR ranked up, not the zergfails.

@yorgy
Interesting read, valid in certain contex i guess. But ur not seein the bigger pic. Over 3 months PRO has been on DR. Over 3 months weve said zergs fail. Over 3 months weve said “hey, we need to upgrade and siege up before we move on”. Over 3 months weve said “need supply runners and folks to repair”. Know whats changed in over 3 months. Nuttin, same mapchats. PRO usd to be a guild great offensively and defensively. but as DR continues to zergfail vs tuffer opponents, PRO has had to do more and more of the grunt work. GASM n a few small guilds been trying. To the point DR expects us to do the “dirty” work. Its gotten old fast. Been tons of meetings with other guilds and commanders to improve teamwork, but so far, lotta talk not much action. Kudos to those trying tho. DR wasnt rdy for T5, and will drop to T6 on reset where they’ll maybe win again or continue to drop when the transfers start.

But hey, times change n people come n go. All good i guess. Props and much respect n kudos to those handful of DR’rs who are giving it their best. YOU r the reason DR ranked up, not the zergfails.

jaegerx.1693:

My dad is a computer spy for NASA. He looked at it and confirmed its fake.

oooOoOOooOO….can you tell him to send me some pics of the Playboy Mansion poolside on Fri/Sat!

Bunzy.8674:

Tiglie.5834:

Oh boi…………..wiped by PRO…………

Either way, it doesn’t suprise me. They grew up fighting real small mans, not self proclaimed forum warriors like OG. Like I originally said, OG has nothing on any of the old tier 8 small mans like NoQQ, ENVY, Btsy, or AD. Hell, even WaR and iSPY could field a better fight then what we faced last night.

It almost brings a tear to my eye seeing you guys winning Dred

I am not even going to bother replying to your troll posts anymore.
I feel sorry for all these T8 gank squads not knowing what real competition is.

Oh mayun Bunzie! Your so right…here’s some pics of some real competition as compared to OG!
1 – close fight but pulled the win
2 – almost had to pop cooldowns and run!

Tiglie.5834:

Oh boi…………..wiped by PRO…………

Either way, it doesn’t suprise me. They grew up fighting real small mans, not self proclaimed forum warriors like OG. Like I originally said, OG has nothing on any of the old tier 8 small mans like NoQQ, ENVY, Btsy, or AD. Hell, even WaR and iSPY could field a better fight then what we faced last night.

It almost brings a tear to my eye seeing you guys winning Dred

lawl…its not a tear mayun..its the drawstring from the loot bag! it acci flipped into ur eye, sorry bout that!

Oh…when ur online..send me a whisper!

jaegerx.1693:

Drednyte.7601:

jaegerx.1693:

Definitely photoshopped

oh yea..thats it…whatever it takes so you dont have to admit anything….hawt dang!

I can see the pixels you manipulated and you used the same OG body twice in the same pic. Fake.

All i can say man is…wow, gonna guess you’re in that OG lootbag group to start posts like that. rofl. I’m sure you’ll be posting a “here’s proof” pic shortly, soon as you finish gimping up the pic i posted. If your lil fantasy would have been true mate…you’d posted a pic showing these so called pixel manipulations. rofl….funny stuff tho

Oh…that isnt pixel manipulation youre looking at…its all those loot bags on the ground from your OG mates

jaegerx.1693:

Definitely photoshopped

oh yea..thats it…whatever it takes so you dont have to admit anything….hawt dang!

wads.5730:

i dont see what the big deal is, you out numbered them in all those screenshots. and they got picked off by your zerg a few times.

Wasnt outnumbered mate. There was solid group of OG. Wasnt running a zerg, those upgrade randoms in there was getting ganked by the “too few OG” when my lil group showed up. They didnt seem to have a problem vs those 4-5 upgrades….they failed miserably when they ran into even terms. As to zergs though…nice fat one formed up at the Bay to push us back after we chased them into the gates where they played gate portal fighting.

Again…ribbing aside. No harm meant just some forum fun. OG you guys got some nice teamwork and know your classes. I like how you chain certain skills for max benefit for your team. awesome fun.

wads.5730:

i dont get it, your screenshots show no more than 4 OG at any given time, and it clearly shows you having a group of 5, plus 2-3 ungrouped there fighting with you in most of the screenshots.

Sorry, before i could screenshot the corpse on that first encouter they all respawned to WP. Thats when the ones in the pic ran to the invulnerable spot and waited for backup to arrive, and die again. Wasnt until you got help that you pushed us back to camp. As for the Tower push vs a 40+ zerg…please post the Fraps vid cuz there’s nowhere near 40 DR on the map…rofl, prob not that many in Wv3 total from what im hearing. If youre talking another map/tower…wouldnt know, wasnt there.

Sol.4310:

If your going to lie make sure your screenshots don’t show you had 2-3x our numbers. Oh and you killed 3 OG outta 5 then you died we wiped you all took your camp, then we went to Bay took out your Zerg pushed you to Camp took the Camp then we pushed your zerg back to your Tower, Keep wiping you then we finally got over ran by about 40+ Oh I had Fraps on, SO DON’T even try to lie your way out.

Oh my bad..didnt know you counted armor pieces as players when you lose. Tell you what, take a peep at the pics again, zoom in on the minimap…count the lil dots there =)

As for the Bay…welll lessee…We ran up on you ganking upgrades. Here’s the results.
1 – Push to the camp you referred to
2 – @ that camp
3 – Push to the Bay
4 – @ the Bay
5 – Oh looky…door jockey!

Missed the screenshot for the OG/GOON/randoms zerg u fielded that pushed us back to the camp and took it. I’ll give you that one. (oh before u QQ bout “lies” minimap check the dots please)

Nice fight again there OG….pushed u from camp north of Bay all the way back to the Bay where u got help from GOONs and others…plus the NPCs at the gate where u ran to. As well as cannon cover fire. WOOPTY!

Just ran into Mag’s [OG]…found it hugely lacking. They had us on numbers, but we wiped em not once, not twice..but three times. Chased them all the way to their spawn where it took repeated spawn run backs to finally drop us. Before they up and go chatterin falsehoods…Pics are worth a thousand words eh. LARP…..i think i’ll just have to side with u all on this topic as the 5 man i was with wasnt even out to field fight and we typically dont do field fighting. So in that sense, u can call us nubs at it. =)

1 – OG wipe
2- they run to their spawn
3 – oooo….invulnerable
4 – oooo…invulnerable again
5 – another OG wipe

Good fights tho, was real fun. But now before one of u OG start the rant posting about “lets fight club 5v5” and such. well mate all i can say is this….we found u, we fought u, u ran to spawn to hide until u could get ur teamates back from spawn, u wiped again…back to invulnerable spot to attack from there. Again..another wipe…wasnt until u pulled in a nice near 3:1 odds that u got us.

All kiddin and ribbin aside though..was nice fights with you. Props to ur skills and teamwork.

Pinko.2076:

If this is how you handle drama, I think I know why you’re having a falling out over whatever crap this post is related to.

Posted here as he felt the need to bring it here.

As to LARP:

LARP was on Kaineng..then bailed to Ferg Xing…then bailed to someplace…then bailed to DR. Is that a bad thing? wouldnt know either way. They’ve always claimed to be a small tac team looking for field fights. Their moves were probably still inline with what they’ve stated all along.

Good fighters? Well, good teamwork and communication, so yes. They’ll typically rush you and blow cooldowns. If you’re not wiped they’ll flee until cooldowns reset and repeat it. Key is to not chase. Soon as folks figured out to not chase and play their game, force them to play map objectives…they typically became loot bags or quit fighting you.

As to whose better? Well dunno, only been in one skirmish with WaR/OG and it was at a camp where BP/Mag/DR were all fighting at once. DR was the underdog manpower wise by a good 2:1 from both other servers. But we gave as good as we got I think. Had run ins with LARP long time back…i typically didnt play their game and stuck to map objectives. In the field on their terms tho, they typically won…fighting map objectives they typically didnt.

I’ll give LARP props on teamwork and knowing when to pick fights and when not to. In the end it really boils down to last man standing right? So if you call em out and got rolled…your fault I’d think. You didnt come prepared, expected one thing but got handed another, again..your fault. LARP at leasts scouts a situation before they engage. And rarely jump into a fight where its an almost guarantee fail.

Am I advocting for LARP…no. They really do nothing for server progression and the type of fighting they prefer is found more on tPvP and not Wv3. But if you get tied up in one of the ambushes…hope you know more than button spam…lol

LARP has a unique fighting style…learn to counter it, die to it, be part of it…but I wouldnt suggest challenging it if youre not prepared for it. And def not get upset when you’re called and the outcome wasnt what you’d expected.

yea..im vocal..yea i speak my mind…yea i dont have an issue with stiring up folks blood

If in the end they get their act together and start working as a team and not a zergfail group.

Darwin…./gkick…/ginvite…nope /gkick….okok /ginvite….oh darn no! /gkick….sigh ok fine /ginvite.

As to the comment on “crying when he fails”…that made me laugh. As I’m more often than not the one charging right into the midst of a sea of red. =) Other day me and 3 other PRO ran up on a BP/Mag fight at one of our camps in our borderland. We were outnumbered pretty much 2:1 by both servers but we were all knee deep anyways. That was me, that big gigantic target of a norn ele. (so wish i could get a race change!) we knew we couldnt win, but wasnt gonna jst give up either. You like all the flame rams I threw down….lol. HEY! it made more targets! lol

@ comment on me commanding..
Mate I stopped commanding back in T7 due to failboat zergs who kept dying to 5 man teams. And before you post more negative comments, i was the DR commander that led to the first EB map domination for DR and showed a ton of DR commanders key siege points on the map. I stopped commanding for 2 reasons, one was the guild was needing more admin stuff and our then guild leader was offline more often than not so i stepped up to help. The other was a ton of commanders on DR started popping up. If they had positive momentum, why disrupt it with another icon. Typically u wont see me icon up unless there’s just complete map chaos. Ive seen DR on forward momentum with no commanders, again, why mess it up with an icon.

@Mag/BP – Although it was just a joke on PRO transfering (no matter what some slim whits may think). Thank you for your interest in having us on your servers. I was quite surprised that 7-8 guilds sent me messages asking for PRO to join you. I was also very surprised by several guilds on DR that wanted to know where PRO was going so they could join us. Thank you all for fighting alongside PRO and doing all that grunt work while the failzergs continue to spawn loot bags.

To everyone else…meh. Read what i post and not get all defensive. Actually read what i post and not what you THINK it means or interpret it to be some direct attack on you. Dont like it..meh. Doesnt bother me in the least. Typically those that get all kitten are the ones I’m refering to anyways. Sure this post will get quoted flamed too. lol

saiyr.3071:

Drednyte.7601:

StormWolf.7645:

Eyanthina.6824:

PRO is on DR to stay, and if it wasn’t I would not have spent so much time trying to build an alliance with other DR guilds, don’t take the words of one player to stand for the consensus of our entire guild.

Eyanthina [PRO] Officer!

No offense as you’re one of few PRO officers I have no reason to dislike(mostly because this is the only time I’ve seen you post and it’s a sensible post.) But, if you want people to not take Dred seriously, it’s best you have him remove that “Co-Leader of PRO” part from his Signature. Unfortunately, PRO gets a lot of bad press because many of it’s “Leaders” are very vocal, and often spouting that hot air you mentioned. For example…this event. When you speak as a Guild Leader, you need to take into account you are speaking on behalf of the members of your Guild.

Oh look..heres the Kaineng troll AGAIN….are you ever going to stop chasing DR and offering up your T8 strats?

There is something extremely amusing about calling a fairly civil person a troll immediately after troll posting that your guild is leaving your server. Just sayin’.

You havent had this stalker following you since T8 either.

Sumwun.3846:

Oh look..heres the Kaineng troll AGAIN….are you ever going to stop chasing DR and offering up your T8 strats?

He came offering truth and logic. My suggestion would be to learn from it.

Truth and logic from his perspective…coming from a fair weather fighter who’s never been out of bottom tier legitly, and who continuously jumps to “winning” servers or upwards in tier. Sorry mate, he’s flamed DR since T8, followed us to T7 and did the same, then to T6, and now to T5. And i’m pretty sure if/when DR moves up again, he’ll continue the groopy ride. As to his strats…he doesnt command but offers up common sense strats he’s read from prior posts in other threads.

Want to impress me, gain my respect? Have him go to say T8, icon up, help pull the server together, and push upwards. Easy to toss out strats and ideas when nothing’s on the line. Easy when you’re outside looking in. Whole different ballgame when you’re the one in the line of fire trying to make things happen.

@ all….in regards to PRO transfering

Bad Eyan baaaaad! Yes it was a joke. Bout 3am me, Eyan, Swords, Pknuckle, and some others were on TS and in group and i was like “wonder what would happen if….”

Eyan wasnt supposed to post cuz i was gonna post it was an early April Fools but darnit he had to go and ruin it! lol

No PRO isnt leaving, we’ve helped push DR to T5 no need to stop now.

Someone asked if it was an internal server or fair weather fighting transfer. If it would have been true i can guarantee you it wouldnt be fair weather transfering. The last time PRO moved we literally moved to the last ranked server in the game, DR.

@ the DR gamer would doesnt like PRO. Those that dont like us judge us based on PRO trying to make things happen on maps. Its extremely frustrating when you go into EB and see nothing but zerg fail train after another. See the zerg flip nodes just to lose them 15 mins later because everything is paper, no siege, no upgrades started. Its extremely frustrating to go to DR BL and find zero scouts watching over key places and find a fortified wall down to 10% health because 1 player set up 1 catapult and manned it for over an hour hitting the wall because nobody bothered to keep an eye out. Frustrating to see our Garrison reinforced watergate down to 20% health by 1 ram and 5 or so enemies because nobody checked one the contested state. Couple tons of moments like that with the calls for “PRO can you send a commander to…”, “PRO can you send folks to…”, “PRO can you, can you, can you….” Gets to the point a lot of PRO, including myself, just get tired of it.

Let me give you some prime examples:
- DR BL turning all green, almost no DR on the map cuz they’re all in EB. What few PRO/GASM are online are trying to stem the green virus that has taken all but 3 points on the map. Pop over to EB, where there was a queue, and ask the commander there to send help. (dont forget now, queue in EB). EB map has 3-4 red dots on it, with a queue. The Commander there’s response to aid from a queued map, “If i send anyone to DR then I’ll lose Overlook.” No help sent. Soooooo…lets keep Overlook and lose an entire map, gotcha on those strats. It worked out in the end though. GASM/RED/Rega/WvW/WP managed to get some folks into DR and alongside PRO we pushed the map clean.
- Last night, DR BL turning green on one side, blue on the other, and then going blue all over. Someone from EB pops in, “We need help, we’re losing EB” and strips the handful of randoms from DR BL. Went to EB for help…again…“If we leave we’ll lose SM”….gotcha…lose entire borderland map to hold SM. Those “winning” strats….yay. Finally get DR BL under control when a call for “PRO can you send a commander to EB…” comes rolling in. Eyan, who’d meant to log 3 hrs prior, went over to offer some help.

Lets not mention the fact that PRO members are spending vast gold amounts in upgrades/siege while the zerg mentality folks run off to another fight. It’s not just PRO either. GASM/Rega/WP/RED, and a few smaller guilds are also “bearing the cost burden” of trying to hold onto what we take while the vast majority of DR are running to the next fight with no thought to whats behind them.

And to clarify…PRO is NOT a big guild..we have 166 members total with about 25ish max on during primetime in Wv3. Those 25ish are split normally between 2 maps. So our “footprint” on population is extremely small, yet our impact isnt.

Zerging by DR has been mentioned in this thread numerous times by Mag/BP as failed strat and asking why we keep doing it. Well? Zergers answer it please, why do you keep doing fail strats? Since reset DR been on the short end of the stick, yet DR hasnt changed it’s strats….why? It’s obvious what folks are doing isnt working, yet when someone, PRO or not, gets in mapchat trying to change the fail flow of things, folks start getting heated and dont want to listen. EB is a prime example…i use to LOVE that map, but it’s morphed into nothing but a zergfest, so I dont even bother going there anymore.

Oh, for those that failed to noticed. Just a few mins before point reset Mag/BP field small teams that go run supply camps to take advantage of reset. I’d hoped it would’ve been easy to identify and counter, but seems again DR fell short on learning.

So before you want to toss rocks and spit at us…remember this: without guilds like ours YOU wouldnt be where you are today.

(Note: for those guilds/players who are NOT doing the above mentioned things and are trying their best to help push DR upward, none of these comments were directed at you or your guild. Much respect to you and keep it up!)