Guild Wars 2

Agreed, in a perfect world WvW would be about skill and tactics. However the free server transfers currently make it really easy just go “Well my server doesn’t have full coverage and thus is losing, better go to the winning server”.

There is nothing wrong with Mesmer portals. However right now it may seem overpowered because even a small group can take a much much bigger group by surprise due to the culling issue.
When/if that gets fixed people will probably stop relying as much as they do now.

If a person puts up an AoE on the door the effects are felt on the inside. Hence the red circle also being visible on the inside. Repairing is risky business when people are bombarding a door.

I remember Judge too. How they tried to camp our northern supply camp with 8-10 members and how we made you pick up your stuff and run for the exit with 1 group of my guild and 1-2 random people. Especially after seeing the super duper obvious mesmer port coming it was fun to see you jump into our massive aoe.

You recovered nicely though when we left and came back to res your own and take our undefended supply camp.

I would really like to ask Far Shiverpeak players to stop posting insults towards Desolation and/or RUIN. Even though I have posted my opinion here myself I feel this isn’t going anywhere and by now we are just feeding (Desolation) trolls. Those same trolls are now actively trying to block our own recruiting efforts, even though that effort is to create SOME kind of opposition, which RUIN has been looking for..

We have to get over the fact that they think it’s normal that a 2000+ member US guild joined their server and that we should simply try and find our own 2000+ guild groups to counter that move.
I still think they (RUIN) moved here thinking they would find some kind of resistance in the night that was going to be close to or on par with their force but their info was wrong. There is no such thing, however they’re here and they most likely won’t leave untill they either find such opposition or they realize it’s extremely hard to gather 2000+ numbers for EU nighttime.

TL;DR it happened. We have to get over it wait for RUIN to get bored with beating opponents 10 to 1 or just get into T1 just to drop back to T2 asap. Still angry at them? Find them on the maps and do your kitten hardest to beat them. But just drop the namecalling and blaming because we are hurting our cause more than helping it.

First off, I don’t have any personal problems with RUIN. I do however think you, probably unknowingly, messed up the EU dynamic for atleast the coming months. Justifying a move of a gaming community that consists of 2000+ members isn’t the same as a move of a French Canadian/South American/Australian/Russian ETC ETC guild that has 30/40/50 members tops.

With a gaming community as large as yours you should have been able to find a problem to solve your nightcapping issues on US server. Hell there’s a RUIN member here saying he and many many others don’t live in the US and play @ EU times. There’s your very own nightcrew.
By joining a EU server, which server doesn’t even matter, with such a large group you completely messed up the, already awkward, balance we had on EU servers.

The guy that did the post and said he did the research on EU servers should probably have done a better job.

Here’s the truth as told by EU players about EU servers in THIS very thread:

ER has a nightcrew that consists of Germans that work weird shifts or just sleep very little. Vizu might have SOME Canadians but mainly their nightforce consists of Metropolitan French and Arborstone is the only one that has a single French Canadian guild with 30/40 members.
Do you really expect to need the full 2000+ members of RUIN for that? If my memory serves me right a person of each of the current T1 servers has posted here saying that the moment Desolation ends up in T1 you will still be playing PvDoor.
Even IF your up coming opponents in T1 manage to gather 100 players at night or 200. They will still be hopelessly outnumbered on all 4 maps.

Here’s my personal input:

I stopped reading at page 8.. But here’s my input on the recent RUIN member/leader posts. Both ER/Vizu/AS have already told you that they have a nightcrew but that it’s not much bigger than 50 people tops.
RUIN alone can max out servers on all 4 maps by just sheer numbers. The moment you guys play at night you will run into more resistance then you would now, but don’t expect anything that 500 people per map can’t handle by splitting up into smaller groups or simply zerging your way through maps. Even if you say you only have an online % during our nights of 33% you will still have more active players than all three current T1 servers combined x4 and then some.

In the end though nothing is going to change your mind cause it’s a lot harder to face reality when all you do is lollerskate your way through maps and beat everything that comes in your path, be that by numbers or skill. I sincerely hope you stop having fun sooner than that it becomes a trend that huge gaming communities from all over the world join EU servers. Because right now the mentality isn’t to find a solution for a small population imbalance (30-50 people at night) but to recruit a gaming community that is 10 times the size of the actual issue (or you know in your case atleast 40 times). Not only is that going to increase the issues across servers but also the entire dynamic of WvWvW and queues.

Best of luck to Desolation and it’s inhabitants. I’m absolutely sure that most people that in fact still read this thread will agree to what I’m saying, whether or not Desolation and in particular RUIN does I don’t know.

I’m a roaming thief and am increasingly running into people who simply log out when they get to down state. BTW I’m not a backstab thief so complaining about me abusing a culling issue is useless.
It happens especially often when there is no queue.
I can laugh about it most of the time but when yesterday I was winning a 3v1, one was running away to get healed and I got two in down state did the finishing move thing on the first and POOF gone. Decided to finish the ele POOF gone. The third came back with full health (lowbie though) got him in down state and POOF gone.. I felt like I was at a bad magicians show..

@SkeletalLlama
I can tell you why we haven’t been able to do much today. Yesterday (monday) FSP had a good day. I mostly played on FS BL and we had more than 50% of the map for most of the day restricting Kodash and Deso to 1 tower each. There was a slight dip around dinner time where we lost the lead but we quickly got that back.
We managed to hold off your massive nightcrew till 00:30 GMT + 2 with our last people online at that point.

Now what happened in the weekend is that Deso would nightcap everything get everything fully upgraded and go to sleep but we would face little resistance during the morning/afternoon so we could atleast get our towers back and start getting ready to take keep(s), at which time your prime time group would be on aswell. However today there still was a big nightcrew presence during the morning. Which meant that you guys had:
1) fully upgraded keeps/towers/supp camps
2) All keeps/towers/supp camps had full supply
3) A metric ton of siege weaponry on every possible wall

Have you ever tried taking a fully upgraded tower with 600+ supply in it, 1/2 trebs, 2 cata’s, 3/4 ballistas, a ton of arrow carts AND 30+ defenders while you can really only effectively get your own supply from a single camp? It takes a long time and especially with the culling issue which allows a suicide squad of 10-15 to kitten your siege weaponry you got running after god knows how many supp runs.
However we did manage to atleast claw our way back into FS BL. However we probably have a 8-10 hour time frame in which we have proper power to do stuff. Today we spent atleast 80% of it, getting our own stuff back and stable because you were able to take and upgrade the keeps/towers/supp camps with little to no resistance and were able to defend them with a big group and the aforementioned upgrades.

If you want a fight or have fun but still be able to get into T1, don’t create a full 24 hour schedule yet. Because it simply means we will spend 80% of our prime time taking back our regular stuff which you will beat PvD within a matter of minutes the moment we go to sleep.
If you keep the 24 hour schedule up (as you had from monday night to tuesday) Deso will probably be bored defending towers by pressing 1-2-3 on siege weaponry or portalling into a zerg to enjoy a culling issue.
No matter what, we will still be out there having fun because we get to try new strats, take stuff back that actually requires teamwork and effort and we still get to kill some of you. Most of us no longer care about the nightcapping or fighting against a 24 hour-ish force we have fun running around facing tough battles and often being outnumbered but still victorious. While appearantly you guys have to sit and mope even though you are in the lead with +500 points or something simply because there’s no resistance.
I guess the 24 hour thing really is a double-edged sword.

Never give up, never surrender.

Today Far Shiverpeaks showed what we could do with just a little communication and effort. Any US guild looking for a server that has an amazing daytime presence and should be capable of being a contender for #1 server in Europe I really feel it’s Far Shiverpeaks!

Today was a good day. Not only for fighting but also for Far Shiverpeaks as a server. We are currently really trying to become more organized through every possible way we can imagine and there was almost immediate return on investment. I mostly played on FS BL and no matter how you look at it, we managed to keep atleast 50% of the map for a long time.
I can honestly say I’m proud to be on this server and more proud of the way we put ourselves on the map today. We have gone with a +300 and up lead most of our prime time and it was 00:30 GMT + 2 before Deso could finally manage to break our last group of players @ their own keep where we were vastly outnumbered.
I assume I will log in tomorrow to see everything in blue again but I simply don’t care. We will just start chipping away at it again!

This is a funny thread!

Guess for my own server:
Privet, more vodka!
– Far Shiverpeaks

RamzaBehoulve.5640:

Sird.4536:

Haha funny seeing Deso fools all happy the americans are bailing them out. Enjoy the Ruin Train.

I barely saw any Ruin during whole Sunday up till about 10pm CET and the score has been in Desolation favor almost the entire day starting 10am.

It’s 1pm CET right now and we are still leading. You think Ruin is playing till 6am their time or something as well? Blacktide was crushing us 6am-4pm CET everyday last week.

Stop finding excuses. Fix your time gaps, improve your game.

I have no clue which server you are playing on but FS had a lead almost throughout the entire sunday which we started to lose around 19:30-20:00 GMT + 2.

Mimaktorn.4769:

sarmatiko.2843:

sank.9176:

but so far Desolation has proven to be a powerful force and without the continued cooperation of it’s many guilds, these victories would not be achieved.

Victories like on Saturday?
1) http://i.imgur.com/DMOgR.jpg
2) http://i.imgur.com/FBtuU.jpg
3) http://i.imgur.com/qlB5w.jpg
4) http://i.imgur.com/5p2BZ.jpg
5) http://i.imgur.com/2ZNn3.jpg
6) http://i.imgur.com/kmYjc.jpg

you mean when you start the morning capping? peaks time fights have been even so far the only difference is at night desolation is night capping and in the morning FS is morning cap everything back, not to mention upgraded keeps after the morning caps which makes it harder for other servers to retakes the keeps back at noons.

Apples and oranges. Look again, I don’t care about RUIN nightcapping. Most of us don’t. It’s the “look at us destroy you with a 40k lead” which is creating friction because of the simple fact that your nightcapping goes uncontested for atleast 6 hours while our “morningcapping” is a maximum of 3 hours because Russians have GMT + 4 vs GMT + 1. Also I have yet to log on in the morning and see FS rock a + 600 lead. More often than not have I logged in around 9:00-10:00 GMT + 2 and see us clawing our way back by taking fully upgraded crap.

I honest to god don’t get how you could compare a 6 hour practically uncontested cap vs little or sometimes no upgrades, due to heavy fighting in prime time, to a 3 hour lightly contested cap vs fully upgraded stuff.

Again, I don’t mind the nightcapping, you got a nice allround force but don’t call it even ground and yell you are owning us inspite of it.

Pherenice.8124:

Again nightcapping is part of WvW, why else do Far Shiverpeaks make posts on these very same boards to get USA / Asia / Australian guilds to join that server ?

The amount of spitting to a server that made an effort to fill the weak spots to secure 24/7 WvW coverage is a joke.

Does it suck for servers who do not have that weak spot ? yes totaly agree.
But invite other guilds who can make that happen as WvW is and will always be a 24/7 game.

Also we had great times in EU prime time and it was nikkel and dime with the score, sometimes FS leaded sometimes Deso leaded sometimes we where 3trd etc etc etc
But the fights where close and no server was steamrolling another server.

Saying Desolation was a bunch of baddies when the score was almost even whole weekend shows bad sportsmenship and a bitter tone….
Is Far Shiverpeaks that bitter all of a sudden ?

it cant be from the prominant guild at Far Shiverpeaks becuase anytime we meet them on the battlefield they show they are not a group to mess around with.

We have nothing but respect to show for both FS and Kodash, dont turn this matchup into a bitter flame fest, it is not needed people.
Want to take revenge ? show it where you need to show it on that epic battlefield where we will all fight to the last minute.

Iam sure that it wont take long before other top servers in EU get more time zone’s to cover the gaps, untill then fight hard and show your server belongs where it belongs, at the top.

We currently have a post looking for guilds for our off time. However denying that we beat you during our prime time is silly. We had a solid 200 point per tick (I believe your min was 120 and highest was 200) lead for atleast 6 hours on sunday.

Archaos.4953:

Kirn,

I haven’t seen evidence of a “stronger” prime time. Far Shiverpeaks struggled to stay ahead of Kodash over the weekend in point gain and was completely wiped out earlier every day we have fought you.

Repeating that you are “superior players” during your “prime time” to boost your morale doesn’t make it true.

Ruin did its homework before we joined the EU servers.

There is a reason we are not on Far Shiverpeaks.

There is a reason we crushed you by 40,000 points today.

I would seriously consider speaking with us regarding your future server choice. Egos must be set aside to form the strongest servers to compete in tier 1. Otherwise you will continue to find yourselves unable to make progress against the top tier servers.

The funny thing is that before RUIN logged on for their session, we closed the gap to less than 4k in points, I think Desolation was at about had a minimum of 120 and a maximum of 200 points on sunday between 11:00 GMT + 2 and 18:00 GMT + 2. Now factor in that you pretty much had (or more) +650 across atleast 8 hours and probably the majority of the morning/afternoon. Sure 40k is a pretty normal lead. When you look at it you guys atleast lost a +400 point lead per tick (I believe you had + 600 during the night on saturday).

I said it before in a different thread. I’m wondering if Anet will ever publish WvWvW server population so we can see how many players play around the clock.

But Chris, I think you might want to check out what Desolation has been doing then.. Desolation has been creating posts trying to get even more overseas guilds to your server to fill any other gaps. Considering the transfer is free and the win is pretty much secure expect those guilds to come and your queue times to increase.
This isn’t rocket science, it’s people wanting to be on the winning team and don’t mind sitting in queue for it.

@DavidMonthen
I can recall a couple of big battles, none of which we outnumbered your server. When the reset hit FS-BL had 50-75 people in it tops and I think that’s even really really pushing it.
It was mainly Ruin and Iron we had to fight off in big numbers. We got you guys on your backs atleast twice but the moment my clock hit 3:00 and your server was pretty much done on the other maps FS-BL got more and more crowded with Blue and we started going to bed.

Again, I’m not complaining about you guys having US guilds or that you are advertising for more overseas guilds, I’m just saying you can’t expect a proper fight that way.

EDIT:
I would like to add that by the time you actually managed to get the orb away from us you had us outnumbered by atleast 5 to 1. With which we eventually even managed to take a tower and keep your zerg at bay for quite some time even though with every passing minute our numbers got smaller and your numbers got bigger.
All in all, congrats on the badges!

My thoughts on it all are simple. There’s nothing that is making people think about transferring. Right now the issue for US guilds is that Oceanic guilds are beating them during off peak hours. US guilds get fed up and because transferring is free they might aswell go for the easy way out and leave. EU is the best place to do that so why not right?

I’m not saying Anet should stop Free Transfers because I don’t think that’s the solution either. Stopping with Free Transfers is just going to freeze the current state of WvWvW where there are 2/3 servers that are so freakishly full because everyone wanted to be on the winning team for free. While the rest of the servers will become ghost towns.
Even the complaints are no longer about nightcapping and/or a broken point system but the complaints are about insane amount of queue times. Which is completely logical if you are on a server that is dominating the competition (be that straight up or because there is no resistance at night) and everyone likes winning better than losing and the transfer to that server will be without any downside.

After seeing no change at all in WvWvW in the last 6 weeks I’m almost sure Anet will not be able to fix this without somehow hurting WvWvW.

You heard it here first, if Anet isn’t going to find some way to deal with the population shifting issue there will be loads and loads of people that will simply stay logged in while having a bot making them move or some mechanic device making slamming their keyboard so they don’t get logged out and having to queue for 2 hours to get into WvWvW again due to the insane population of the winning server.

The fights will not become more interesting. It will be 2 servers trying to take back during the day what huge US guilds took during the night with force and sheer numbers.

FS and Kodash both don’t have any kind of significant numbers that play during EU nighttime. You guys have Ruin and props to you for getting them, since Anet said they were not going to change nightcapping etc you guys have been actively promoting to get guilds from overseas to fill the slots. However don’t expect an interesting fight if you have 2 servers that can probably get 50 people per map while you are up against a guild that supposedly needs 4 digits to display the amount of members they have.

I’m positive we will put up a proper fight during the our primetime and wake up to an all blue, fully upgraded (I believe you guys are blue this round) map.

Dear Chris, blame the gigantic US guild that transferred to your server and is fighting and winning WvWvW for you the last couple of weeks.

I wonder if RUIN and IRON aren’t enough. How many figures do we need to display their amount of guildmembers?

Spicyhash:
Well like I said at some point beating mostly AI during a “nightcap” run will most likely become boring.
And no matter how you look at it, nightcapping is called nightcapping cause it happens at night (albeit night for the majority of the servers inhabitants) and they “cap” points.. But we can call it the “AWSD vertical ninja dance” if you want to make it sound flashier.

Sooo after reading up on I don’t know how many posts about this I have come to a single conclusions. Even though there has been a lot of effort by the playerbase to somehow negate the effectiveness of nightcapping, Anet already said they are not going to do anything about it.

I play on Far Shiverpeaks and we have been getting nightcapped for aslong as I play WvWvW by Vizu[FR]. Be that by Canadians or by the French who decide to have time to play GW2 during the night. During the day we would claw our way back into the map(s) and dig in as well as we could. However the gap would become increasingly bigger over the night as time came to pass.
I don’t blame anyone on the FR server for nightcapping, they are allowed to do so, hell I don’t even care if they boast about being the best EU server because of it. The single thing I don’t understand is how they can still enjoy WvWvW after capping every map every single night for atleast 3 weeks in a row. I would be just as unattracted by WvWvW if I logged on to see my server getting 550+ points per tick as I am unattracted by logging on and seeing my server has absolutely nothing and we are greeted by Ballistas and Arrow carts near our spawn. Now I realize that winning is a lot more fun than losing and appearantly Vizunah hasn’t lost their appetite for winning even though I hardly think it can be satisfying anymore.

I’m not here to propose any ideas on fixing it cause, like I said, I doubt Anet will do anything with it. What I really would like to know from one of the “hardcore” nightcappers (a person that systematically is online when most others are asleep, I would prefer a person playing on Vizunah cause I know a lot more about the situation here than anywhere else) what they find fun in WvWvW? Especially considering that if you play during the night there is little to no competition, atleast there isn’t any in our current matchup (Vizunah[FR], Riverside[DE], Far Shiverpeaks).

On a sidenote, is there a place where us players can check out server activity? I.e. a place that shows how many people are online on a server during which times and so on?