Guild Wars 2

I think all shifts of the day in TC’s WvWvW would benefit from some guild consolidation. While having a couple buddies to harass enemies behind the lines, more unity definitely couldn’t hurt us.

What ex-TA guilds are on Tarnished Coast?

I come from a public relations background as well, that doesn’t make me self-entitled and unaware of the issues Anet are combating. I hate people using our field as an excuse for belligerently assaulting a company. I check the dev tracker regularly and they are in constant communication with the community as much as they can be.

GW2 hasn’t invested a ton of money in community outreach, at least not as much as some other competitors… and it’s possible they just don’t have the resources yet. Daring a buy to play model is part of that.

We as the gaming community on GW2 have to be patient and look for the answers where we can. I’m not sure if anyone can have any knowledge of MMOs and expect it to be a “finished product” on launch. The whole nature of MMOs is that they are constantly evolving and changing.

Maybe you would have liked 5 years of BETA testing with a HUEG survey sample so launch would look to be your perfect game. Alas, they might as well launch the game and work on it if they are going to spend the resources on that large of a BETA testing group. At least this way, they have people buying gems, the game, etc. and giving them more resources to work on the product.

TC and Crystal Desert really got along in our match up thread…. TC and Black Gate are really getting along. What is it with TC buddying up with their upper tier enemies?

Haha, I do that when I’m commanding.

Sorry Tyaen, our weekend crews are not always the best examples of Tarnished Coast. Sometimes we have folks that have been left out of the loop on the grand organization and coordination going on behind the scenes. Trying to correct some of that now with a little campaign I’m engaging on.

If you are not having fun on Tarnished Coast, then I suggest you get with one of the larger WvWvW guilds. If you are loyal to the small guild you are in, then I would ask you consider either one of several options:

1. Carry a second tag for WvWvW, representing whenever you are in the battlefield. We had very few people in the Blackgate Borderlands to begin with last night. Mo Bedda sent me a whisper, I proceeded to send messages to my guildmates and 15-20 more guys joined the battle. Having a network of many people to go in at once is vital in getting kitten done.

2. Considering merging your smaller guild with another smaller guild- or simply move your guild into a larger guild. These matters can be handled delicately and maturely through conversations of officers and leaders, especially on a server with as positive a community as Tarnished Coast.

3. Get involved with the TC Dub Vee Dub Alliance. The command structure and VOIP systems are being hammered out, however a growing version of it exists on awc.enjin.com. It’s a great place to find other WvWvW guilds and try to coordinate where to go. These alliances help ensure you are not running in with your 5 against 150, maybe 50 to 150… and TC has proven that we can be quite formidable with 50 against 150.

TL;DR. Get networked, going into the field with a tiny guild or group of people can be very boring.

P.S. Sending information to next thinktank meeting to commanders who spoke here.

Xpiher.5209”

I haven’t kept up much with the politics, but what are the top WvW guilds from TC?

We have a mixture of WvWvW guilds and Rp PvP guilds that do some WvWvW.

I will give the initials of some of the top WvWvW guilds (in terms of size) in TC since I’ve been around in BETA, as to not butcher their full names.

-PiNK with our famous Commander Commander Jadon.
-EP
-TSL with yours truly, Commander Floxxx and Commmander Madember.
-RELM
-SWAG
-TSG (Yay Aussies!)
-FLUX
-SC (Shadow Company RP PvP)
-MF with Commander Mo Bedda Cheese, Commander Skornn (and 2 others) as a recent addition.
-MORT (Haven’t seen them around recently.)
-WaM (Haven’t seem them around recently either.)

Please feel free to add to this list. I will also PM you other guild leaders of large WvWvW guilds about upcoming improvements to our WvWvW Alliance. Make sure you state your main character name, size of guild (approx. numbers you field in Dubb Vee Dubb or specific nights you field them, if not daily).

We could really use some more night time folks.

The Shadow Legion is very interested in guys from your time zone. Send Me (Floxxx), Madember or Kerunier a message in game and we’ll get you set up. We’re a WvWvW guild first and foremost. We’re also very dedicated to Tarnished Coast and helping the server reach its dub vee dub potential.

Dooodes. We got an orb!

Even with all the numbers, there are guilds in Blackgate that have a distinct set of tactics and maneuvers that some of us TC’ers are indeed learning from. People really ought being so down on the numbers game and realize that there is still a lot that we as TC PvP’ers can learn. Even when your low morale paraylzes your ability to learn, find other ways of having fun. Do not play against the scoreboard. The Cleveland Browns Franchise would cease to exist if it did that.

Bah. Quit blaming tranfers and start dancing naked on your enemies. Fun is how you make it, not how you complain about something out of your control.

Tarnished Coast is teh best. We will bloody the noses of all who think our RP server is weak.

How dare you take a day off. World versus World is 24/7!

Yes, we have newer people to PvP as well as veterans. People that want to learn in a mature environment will find that The Shadow Legion is a great place for it.

Yeah, it was hella fun. Knowing we were fighting with borrowed time as you guys held Faith’s Leap. The last minute rallies at Bluevale, the intense trebbing inside the bay, the tug of war with FA hitting us every once in awhile from behind, just so we could wipe them and go back to the real FITE.

Meh. TC WvWvW’ers are in it for the long haul. I am fine with free transfers staying open until 2 week matches. By then, people ought have gotten tired of their 3 hour queues at the top tier of the 1 week matches.

Another reason this change is bad, the length of the map. A five man krewe from a small guild at present, can have fun in enemy territory taking out yaks and camps. Even if they lose a couple, a stealth’d or sneaky mesmer can get away, then rez their little team back. Making them run all the way across the map to have their fun isn’t exactly balancing, just because you don’t like how squads keep each other going.

FA and and Blackgate were focusing on us in Bluebriar (TC here) and we couldn’t even get to BB half the time, the loading screen boss caused me to crash 5 times over the course of the night.

Edit:

And going out the side entrances only meant fight one of the two servers head on to get to the tower, so it wasn’t a great alternative.

Ralathar, you are right, completely.

Right now I’m running a full exotic toughness and superior mercy rune build, I specialize in rezzing guys behind enemy lines as a thief. Instead of being the two shot glass cannon most q.q about from backstab. Getting rid of rezzing just takes away from the fun of a lot of people who enjoy being the hero.

Bad enough healers hardly get anything, let us rez specc’d folks keep some purpose.

Floxxx here… Man, we almost had that orb and keep in the BG borderlands… So close. We have some great fighters. But I’ve crashed 5 times today so I’m calling it quits. Look forward to the fights tomorrow.

Pretty much what Cimmric said. I would also suggest crafting and using karma to buy the rare recipes from the crafting masters once your crafting reaches 125. Having peaked out gear for your level makes it easier to compete with 80’s in full exotics.

I always love reading K’s shennanigans and small victories. These guys who continue to fight despite the odds, they will be scary once they have numbers.

I hope this Alliance pays off. The more WvWvW Alliances that form, the more competitive play we can all experience in the future.

Indeed. You guys rock! Look forward to fighting with you all in the future.

cole.2450:

Wow, im not even sure how to respond…….If i Attack all the supplies going into a certain keep while the zerg is attacking that keep, at some point there will be no supply in the keep to repair it, thus we win,

I said this as well… never disagreed with this.
You ignored the first post I had here, didn’t you?

Scorpio Shirica.1286:

The best solo players I’ve found act as scouts, reporting damage on gates/ walls from long range trebs- or they are killing yaks while seiging a place to make sure no supplies reach it for it to be easily repaired. Some will also stay on the peripherals of a squad, letting people know of flanking attacks long before they come- which is vital in the current culling game, allowing you to sweep AoEs or focus siege in that direction before the enemy arrives.

So if that’s the solo stuff you might enjoy, then that’s a way to contribute to world victories.

As for this…

cole.2450:

… 1st off, I personally can defend an upgraded supply camp by myself against 7-8 even 9 players. if I take that many out of the fight, then that is that many more not defending the keep our teams zerg is fighting at. if there are more individuals like myself roaming around we can take 20-30-40 people out of the fight with very little resources(manpower) used. simple as that. Most people suck in WvW about 95% of the players, so its easy to accomplish this if you just stay focused.
AND YES YOU ARE A GREAT HELP TO YOUR TEAM!

Claiming that you are more superior than 95% of the player base. I don’t see how this helps a newbie to WvWvW.

There are also odds that you might find 20-40 people in epix on the way to take a tower that steamroll the solo guy, who are trying to take them out of the fight.

We’ve had a guild(s) like that come to TC as well, Calvin. We keep fighting though, I’m sure your server can continue on just like we have.

I’m not so confident about that. Squads I’ve seen can be anywhere from around 50-100. Sometimes I’ve seen them of higher, when the entire server gets pushed back to an area for instance.

In any case, with a full pop of 155 players, 5 guys who die at the front of a squad’s attack on a tower can respawn and take care of the supply camp that the solo-er took.

And I agree that solo’ers can contribute to victories, just not… pot-shotting 3 stragglers from a zerg. I also don’t agree with the sentiment that a vast majority of people who fight with a squad are talentless, sometimes it takes quite a bit of talent to move effectively through a squad, knowing where support is needed, when the front lines are far enough that a rez can be done.

For example, I run a full toughness/ vitality- with some healing and power on my thief. I also run with the superior mercy set. So while I can easily get through an enemy zerg to hit its siege or scout out targets for the server going solo, I can also be part of a squad that is keeping it moving by constantly getting guys back on their feet.

1.Taking a supply camp on the other side of the map that will be retaken by 20 guys before the next tick does not really help.
2. One guy cannot guarantee that a yak gets to a keep/tower after taking the supply camp if it’s on a hostile front.
3. The supply camp is worth the least amount of points per tick.
Most importantly…

4. I was talking about the guys bragging about killing stragglers and other roamers, not those actually contributing to the war.

Many skilled players will fight within a squad, a military unit as it were. Don’t listen to the cowboys all going solo to kill 1-10% of an army on the move, they are what make servers lose. Never was a war won by one person ever…
…and dub vee dub is war on a grand scale in a videa game.

The best solo players I’ve found act as scouts, reporting damage on gates/ walls from long range trebs- or they are killing yaks while seiging a place to make sure no supplies reach it for it to be easily repaired. Some will also stay on the peripherals of a squad, letting people know of flanking attacks long before they come- which is vital in the current culling game, allowing you to sweep AoEs or focus siege in that direction before the enemy arrives.

So if that’s the solo stuff you might enjoy, then that’s a way to contribute to world victories.

I think a lot of people see the rendering bug and how sometimes folks that teleport when downed or mist out or whatever fall to culling- and think they are logging out. Personally, I’ve never had someone log out on me after downing them.

I’ll keep putting up with it, as long as tab target still works.

Strategies ARE slightly limited to AoE this way, AoE that way… and large flanking maneuvers. The more numbers the safer you are, else you might end up in 40 guys invis. With 40 around you, then the damage is spread out due to the AoE cap.

I enjoyed fighting CD… if for no other reason than often having no points on the map after getting home from work, then retaking an entire side of the map. Our server had no queues on the borderlands we fought on, it’s just a bunch of determined and passionate WvWvW’ers.

Yeah, it seems people have complained about stealth classes ever since MMOs existed. If you can’t beat it, then complain until the game developers nerf it useless.

MAG looks like they were having a bit of fun. Kinda bummed they are going down the ladder instead of up.

Or support whatever commanders are already on the field, send them whispers, etc. A lot of TC has been doing this and it’s working quite well.

Another way to get the 100 gold that some of our commanders have gotten is to ask people to donate. Now, I’m not saying beg… However, if you’ve proven your ability to lead, often times a group or many individuals will gladly donate to get you that blue button on the map.

The Shadow Legion could definitely do with some more third shift-ers.

I think wars of attrition are highly strategic. I’ll give an example.

For several days, we continued to send heavy attacks at the NW tower and Garrison on an enemy Borderlands from the Bay Keep starting position.

This met with mixed results, zergs being even, it came down to who had the biggest guns to push down that north tower. Then we changed it up a bit. We started starving their supply lines, did this for a long time. We’d siege up supply camps, send out YAK destroyers and only small teams to set up a catapult or two to damage the walls of the tower.

Without supplies, the enemy server struggled to build any defensive siege save for what they had. Our small strike teams continually eroded the wall hp and defensive siege, without the enemy server having the capacity to rebuild any of it.

The largest bulk of our forces never had to run all the way back from spawn, because we never engaged in a large scale battle. Instead, the majority of our server was able to keep enemy supplies on lockdown while we upgraded our own.

After one of the skirmish teams reported that the wall had lost quite a bit of HP and most weapons were gone, we were able to blitz through the tower and take the garrison shortly after… without any of the struggles we had days previously.

Starving supplies, as much as starving the enemy of reinforcements brought a lot more tactics then zerg vs zerg. We also got a ton of siege badges as the enemy funneled through various chokes guarded by heavy siege when they did try to get supplies.

The server rivalries are the best. I can’t wait for another chance to fight Maguuma, for instance. (Tarnished Coast here)

I think you are right Zoula. As long as we continue to have fun, even when not winning, we’ll definitely not lose in the long run.

I love that so many people have this positive outlook… even in the war zone.

Maybe they should have an open beta server like WoW to test patches before releasing them, that way they have a huge sample of people playing at once, instead of whatever in-house testing they might be doing.

Lol. WvWvW was never meant to be balanced for professions, that’s my entire point. The developers have stated it themselves. The q.q here is silly. Go complain in the sPvP forums, there they deserve to be q.q’d against.

In WvWvW, with armies fighting, having a guy who can 2 shot you solo but dies in 2 seconds from an enemy squad/siege weapon or whatever WvWvW throws out at you… it really doesn’t mean kitten.

In the DB borderlands, it just doesn’t make sense to focus on CD while being TC—- it puts you up against their spawn. Taking over DB in the north, on the other hand, it makes perfect sense. Since they are getting hit by both servers, they are the easiest to outflank and maneuver.

As for TC and CD working with each other, it’s only an illusion. We stomped over DB in their own garrison and took it from CD just minutes ago.

However, I’m now convinced I need to start making money… with bugged puzzles, I can no longer provide quite as much siege to the armies I lead.

Uhm, you can kill 50 thieves with 30 guys and some siege, maybe don’t even need the siege if you flank correctly. It’s really not that big of a problem. Learn2 WvWvW.

My server seems to be getting into a closer bracket as well. I think as the ladder system progresses, we’ll see more and more of this.

WvWvW does not = Arena style’d combat. If thieves are that dangerous, get a squad, carpet bomb anything remotely near you… the amount of AoE you can do against a crit thief while invisible will be hilarious. You don’t need to see your enemy to kill them, if ghost army patch hasn’t taught enough of you yet.

As for my thief, I’m full toughness/vitality build just because so many people freak out at thieves. I would rather do no damage and divert an entire zerg to chase me, making them weak for my zerg to kill as they chase an inviso-shortbow hopping tanky dude.

This is a really cool idea. You should ask to move this to the suggestion forum.

eqpablon.9072:

We (GoM and the guild PRO) just took all 3 orbs, legitimately as well might I add. Cry hacks now. You are getting stomped legitimately.

Actually, I am not. I’m from Tarnished Coast. Look at our current score and in the ladder rankings, then compare.

I was only stating an observation from when Tarnished Coast fought Gates of Madness. And it didn’t help GoM at all, the whole server got wrecked because of the 3 borderland hack bringing a lot of poor publicity to the server.

And instead of getting so defensive, realize I stated that it wasn’t GoM’s problem, it was something that has to be dealt with by Anet. I only mentioned that observation because it’s also reasonable for entire servers to blame all of GoM due to the coincidences that have been observed.

Correlation does not mean causation, however it is implied.

@Raist. Really, clueless. Look at your own post.

Leaving your server to a NA one might not be a bad idea.