Guild Wars 2

Phoenixlin.8624:

Because I have played +1000 hours with my Norn genius, and I don’t have a human to play. Most probably, I checked that not so good human T3 armor too, but I didn’t like it and deleted its image from my brain. Are you happy with your answers, crybabies? As I said I did not know the fact that Flamekissed skin was a re-skin.

1000+ hours and you didn’t encounter the most popular light armor in the game…

Phoenixlin.8624:

I don’t care full refund. This game does not have any good, light armor skin for me. Flamekissed skin was the first skin I really liked and purchased at day 1, moment 1. I did not know it is a cultural armor’s replica. Now they ruined my already skin, and made crybabies happy. So, I blame crybabies and have already asked a FULL refund.

How you knew all light armor sucked yet you didn’t realize flamekissed was T3 rip-off is beyond me.

It actually looks better. Oh and learn to use some other dyes besides abyss and celestial people.

Yes! I totally support this. Give us short coats, vests, shirts or even a simple strap. I want to actually see the pants!

And why should this only be female exclusive? Male characters should also have a more revealing options. Stop with these double standards. Why should every female set look more like the male version? Why not the other way around?

Sir Morgan Malory.2069:

Recognizing a class by its gear is something needed in pvp + wvw. Medium armor needs to differ from light and heavy at a glance. The fix is to play another class. You would be doing yourself a favor, Rangers are probably the least fun class to play, followed closely by necros.

Your first argument is pretty silly considering existence of combat tonics.
Oh and Rangers are my second favorite class in the game and I found them by far most fun to play out of all 3 medium professions, especially their melee combat.

And please NO accessories if you don’t plan allowing us to dye them with dyes we own and not just the starter ones!

Because maybe that waterfall over there doesn’t have a name? It’s just a pretty waterfall. I’m pretty sure you can tell that it’s a waterfall on your own.

dekou.6012:

FYI, female Krytan armor from the gem store isn’t a coat. But yes, the Medium armor designs are way to samey.

This thread is about male medium armor but yes female don’t have much variety either.

Yeah some pants have detailed belt areas but there is no way to see that with every single coat blocking it.

Since you are going for the tanky look norn would be an obvious choice. My guard is actually a Sylvari

Trench coats, long coats and something in between, this is all I have available to wear as a human male ranger.
There isn’t a single coat that doesn’t have something hanging over the but of my character so I’m asking you Anet designers to make a simple shirt, vest or a short coat that ends above the pants.
It doesn’t have to be fancy, it doesn’t even have to be part of a set. Just put it into the gem store and I WILL buy it!
Edit: It can even be invisible so it doesn’t take too much time.

I like it and it looks better than the female one. Yes there are probably more practical ways to hold it but it’s in no way unrealistic. It’s a fantasy game anyway.

He looks quite feminine (especially the face) which is not necessarily a bad thing since that’s probably what you were going for. He is very unique indeed.

During daytime all Sylvari eyes are darker and you can’t even tell the color sometimes.

I’m thinking of buying the t2 shoulders but it looks like they are influenced by the chest armor you have.
Part of the left shoulder armor that’s attached on the back gets a messed up texture when you are wearing anything but T2 chest and makes it look horrible.
Can someone confirm if this happens when actually equipped or is it just a preview bug?

Just made my first male Sylvari and I adore the voice. By far the best character voice acting I’ve experienced this far in the game.

There are quite a few male and female faces with this problem, some more noticeable than the others.

I personally didn’t notice the lack of orange, red or yellow Sylvari on my server. I mostly see elementalists run those as their primary colors but I do feel people prefer to use red as armor, glow and pattern color rather than skin tone.

It would probably be safer to pick a different face.

Hi, I’ve noticed after this patch legendary auras are far more intense than they used to be and I mean blindingly intense. It actually drops my fps if someone with lets say sunrise passes my screen, it’s just a blob of white light. I don’t think this is intended. So far I’ve noticed this bug with sunrise, bifrost and the rifle.

Not a fan of sylvari in human armor and honestly couldn’t even tell that is actually a sylvari. 6/10
If I saw that in “rate my human” thread, I’d give it a 9/10 :P
Here is my Ranger:

Hey, I love your work and would love to get portrait of my char. Are you on Eu or NA server? Oh and when the queue opens again, will you pick people that already posted or will you start making submissions for people who post after you announce it?

My lonely ranger :

I really like that most faces don’t look very human but I’m not sure about the eyes, they just seem too big compared to older faces, almost ridiculous.

Yeah this is the exact problem I have with medium TA. It reacts to the lighting in the game different than cultural armor making it a pain to mix. I wish it would get addressed by Anet.

So i missed the opportunity to get them cheap and now their price has skyrocketed. Could someone tell me how long it will take the price to go back down or at least lower than the current one?

I would love to have that available but they would have to polish it first because the details look a bit outdated.

So I tried to mix TA armor with cultural sets and I found it quite frustrating because TA armor doesn’t seem to react to light sources in game the same way as cultural does.
Best example are dark areas where TA parts look very dark, to the point you can’t really tell apart the dyes, while cultural parts stay much brighter and you can still see all the details.
I guess this happens because cultural armor has that shiny, planty surface and TA one does not.
Do you think it would be a good idea to rework TA set to be more similar to cultural, making mixing sets easier?

Thousands of people are happy with Anet removing it. I can only see LordByron still kittening about it with misinformation about how Anet won’t refund people etc. Even people I know, who bought the skin, are fine with removal and understand why it’s a problem. Also stop making it seem like only people with T3 light complained about it because it’s simply not true and most people who own any cultural set were just as disappointed.

Thank you Anet for listening to the community. Every race should keep their exclusive armor and what you did was a big mistake, I hope you refund everyone who bought this ugly copy.
Edit: Lol’d @ second post above me. Seriously someone needs to grow up.

This is just getting sad now. Just move on already, they will refund you what you spend and I’m sure they would even give you your money back if you took it that far.
And what MrSilver posted is nothing like this case and what Anet did is totally legal.

ShinNakon.9085:

Soulmyr.8094:

Axialbloom.8109:

Soulmyr.8094:

hchadw.1097:

angelpaladin.7921:

hchadw.1097:

RedStar.4218:

Yes some players might have bought gems specifically for this armor. But that doesn’t change the fact that in the future they have 800 gems they can use to buy something else they want.
And honestly, I’m pretty sure that for most buyers, this wasn’t their first time using their credit card to buy gems. When Anet releases a new skin, they will probably buy it. Or the one released after. Or after.

Point is : they aren’t going to lose those 800 gems. There’s nothing disingenuous about that.

No the point IS lots of folks feel bait and switched.

How can you feel bait and switched thought? There offering you a refund bait and switch would be telling you we have product A then u buying Product A it being product B and us saying tough luck no refund. There offering to do the right thing? I have mentioned it numerous times. How can you feel baited and switch when you rent a product. When you rent a car if the rental company does not have said promised car in stock you get the next best thing.

And how are they going to fix the other things, like give people their old armor back, Money spent on Hairkits/ Dyes to match armor up. Weapons to match the new armor.. just seems many are being shortsided with there solution not realizing the problem is much larger than more complex than.. (you get your gems back whats your problem) attitude.. ANet Mods and Devs are acting the sameway.. u work for them ?

There will still be a flame armor and their changes will still match so nothing will go to waist. In the end they customized to match the theme not the model of the armor.

One of the biggest aspects of the “endgame” is kitting out your character in specific armour parts. You can have items that are similar in theme but very different in style.

As it stands the replacement flamekissed light armour is going to have to be outstanding to in any way lessen the impact of this debacle.

Based on past trends Anet will probably reskin a terrible light set and be genuinely surprised at the outcry.

You really think they would be that stupid to come up with another recycled set after all this? I’m pretty sure the new set will be amazing and most people won’t even want the refund.

Transmuted over my t3 human armor like hell I wont want a refund.

And you will get it. You will also get your T3 back, how hard is that for you to comprehend?

Axialbloom.8109:

Soulmyr.8094:

hchadw.1097:

angelpaladin.7921:

hchadw.1097:

RedStar.4218:

Yes some players might have bought gems specifically for this armor. But that doesn’t change the fact that in the future they have 800 gems they can use to buy something else they want.
And honestly, I’m pretty sure that for most buyers, this wasn’t their first time using their credit card to buy gems. When Anet releases a new skin, they will probably buy it. Or the one released after. Or after.

Point is : they aren’t going to lose those 800 gems. There’s nothing disingenuous about that.

No the point IS lots of folks feel bait and switched.

How can you feel bait and switched thought? There offering you a refund bait and switch would be telling you we have product A then u buying Product A it being product B and us saying tough luck no refund. There offering to do the right thing? I have mentioned it numerous times. How can you feel baited and switch when you rent a product. When you rent a car if the rental company does not have said promised car in stock you get the next best thing.

And how are they going to fix the other things, like give people their old armor back, Money spent on Hairkits/ Dyes to match armor up. Weapons to match the new armor.. just seems many are being shortsided with there solution not realizing the problem is much larger than more complex than.. (you get your gems back whats your problem) attitude.. ANet Mods and Devs are acting the sameway.. u work for them ?

There will still be a flame armor and their changes will still match so nothing will go to waist. In the end they customized to match the theme not the model of the armor.

One of the biggest aspects of the “endgame” is kitting out your character in specific armour parts. You can have items that are similar in theme but very different in style.

As it stands the replacement flamekissed light armour is going to have to be outstanding to in any way lessen the impact of this debacle.

Based on past trends Anet will probably reskin a terrible light set and be genuinely surprised at the outcry.

You really think they would be that stupid to come up with another recycled set after all this? I’m pretty sure the new set will be amazing and most people won’t even want the refund.

ronpierce.2760:

That’s not the same thing. That’s two different businesses. This is a more realistic interpretation of what happened. (IE this became a scam)

“If someone said to you Buy this rock for 100 dollars and you can have this awesome gold bar worth 5000 dollars. Then once you bought the 100 dollar rock said you’re not getting the gold bar, you’re getting a STICKER of the gold bar, its worth 25 cents, deal with it. You can go through a terrible process to get your rock back if you spend a lot of time going through our process, and no you don’t get your 100 dollars back.”

Stop with this silly examples. Your business with Anet ends when you purchase the gems. What you do with it is your decision.

Aerlen.5326:

Soulmyr.8094:

No human cultural armor should not be available to anyone but humans. This set is a pure rip off and should be removed. People will get a chance of refund and return of the skin they transmuted over. THE END
The majority wanted it to be removed and we succeeded. Couple of you will just have to deal with it.

You’re aware some people will also be losing their armor, yes? There are several people who bought and spent the 120 gold for human T3 light as a skin for their exotic armor. They then reskinned the armor with flamekissed as an upgrade. Last I heard, Anet has already said if they dislike the new flamekissed that they aren’t getting their T3 armor back – it’ll revert to the original exotic armor. Skin is lost. Forever. They have to rebuy it.

So there are human characters who bought human T3 cultural who are going to be kittened over by this – it’s not a fair solution. At all.

You do realize Anet will return the skinned armor in it’s original state?

ronpierce.2760:

Soulmyr.8094:

Sailsd.9245:

So we basically can’t rely on anything we buy from you anymore. Thanks for using our trust and making this clear.

And thanks for using our trust cultural armor is race exclusive.

Why do you care so much? That’s what I don’t get. It’s a game for people to have fun, is it specifically fun for you to make sure no one else can have what you have? That’s called ego.

No it’s called race diversity and it contributes to immersion, most people like that and Anet messed up and they acknowledged that. I would have the same opinion if it was T1, deal with it.

Sailsd.9245:

So we basically can’t rely on anything we buy from you anymore. Thanks for using our trust and making this clear.

And thanks for using our trust cultural armor is race exclusive.

hchadw.1097:

angelpaladin.7921:

hchadw.1097:

RedStar.4218:

Yes some players might have bought gems specifically for this armor. But that doesn’t change the fact that in the future they have 800 gems they can use to buy something else they want.
And honestly, I’m pretty sure that for most buyers, this wasn’t their first time using their credit card to buy gems. When Anet releases a new skin, they will probably buy it. Or the one released after. Or after.

Point is : they aren’t going to lose those 800 gems. There’s nothing disingenuous about that.

No the point IS lots of folks feel bait and switched.

How can you feel bait and switched thought? There offering you a refund bait and switch would be telling you we have product A then u buying Product A it being product B and us saying tough luck no refund. There offering to do the right thing? I have mentioned it numerous times. How can you feel baited and switch when you rent a product. When you rent a car if the rental company does not have said promised car in stock you get the next best thing.

And how are they going to fix the other things, like give people their old armor back, Money spent on Hairkits/ Dyes to match armor up. Weapons to match the new armor.. just seems many are being shortsided with there solution not realizing the problem is much larger than more complex than.. (you get your gems back whats your problem) attitude.. ANet Mods and Devs are acting the sameway.. u work for them ?

There will still be a flame armor and their changes will still match so nothing will go to waist. In the end they customized to match the theme not the model of the armor.

No human cultural armor should not be available to anyone but humans. This set is a pure rip off and should be removed. People will get a chance of refund and return of the skin they transmuted over. THE END
The majority wanted it to be removed and we succeeded. Couple of you will just have to deal with it.

Alukah.2063:

Alright for those who do not check the Dev Tracker.

First wait until the armor is changed, if you liked it you keep it, if you don’t like it you get a refund.

If you have any individual issue, like those who transmuted over existing skins (be it current T3 or any other armor) Customer Support will deal with it if you send a ticket after they change the skins.

ATM the only people at loss are those who bought gems for the sole purpose of getting this skin and might not like the remade version, which I’m believing will be a minority.

This. Too bad most people here can’t read or have a memory of a goldfish.

ronpierce.2760:

Soulmyr.8094:

Jaymee.1560:

Okay, it’s based off a T3 Racial armor. Big deal, lol… I think the flames compliment the armor nicely. but, oh, who am I kidding….? someone spent 120 gold of fake money, something that doesn’t truly exist and now they are outted imaginary money? Really? Just because the Flamekissed, in essence, is NOT exclusive? It’s because of that, me and others may be penalized someone else’s dislike of the concept, even though WE knowingly bought it cause we loved it.

Oh yes, that’s real fair.

And where do you think those 120g plus transmutation come from? You find it reasonable people spend hours to gather that amount of gold only to be presented by pretty much identical set that would cost less than half as much time or gold?

That stuff has been in the game for over a year. 120g is NOT hard to make (And I’m a PvPer!). This whole thing reminds me of the WoW thing where they took Flying price and Dual specs both from 1000g and lowered them to 250g and 10g respectively. People wanted refunds, guess what, they didn’t get it. Prestige wears off, you paid for the time you had it while others didn’t. And even if people buy the fiery stuff, it’s still not what you own! The prestige is still there! People could even pay to buy cultural, its not that cool/hard to get…. The game needs to progress/add more cool stuff but if we complain every time they try just because our pride and ego so much fun/cool stuff will be cut from the game. You should be happy there are more options. Reskins in this game are cool cause they’re a different way to look at current armor (unlike wow where it was literally just a different color).

People didn’t get refunded for the 2,000 extra gold (a lot at the time) they spent on those things, but it was time to move on, and they essentially paid for having those things years in advance for people who couldn’t afford it before. And this is something that effected game play, not just pride in wears!

I’m not even going to comment on irrelevant WoW related stuff but why do you assume everyone got T3 from game release? Someone probably bought it a day before the patch. How do you think they feel?

Star Ace.5207:

Soulmyr.8094:

Jaymee.1560:

Okay, it’s based off a T3 Racial armor. Big deal, lol… I think the flames compliment the armor nicely. but, oh, who am I kidding….? someone spent 120 gold of fake money, something that doesn’t truly exist and now they are outted imaginary money? Really? Just because the Flamekissed, in essence, is NOT exclusive? It’s because of that, me and others may be penalized someone else’s dislike of the concept, even though WE knowingly bought it cause we loved it.

Oh yes, that’s real fair.

And where do you think those 120g plus transmutation come from? You find it reasonable people spend hours to gather that amount of gold only to be presented by pretty much identical set that would cost less than half as much time or gold?

Do you find it reasonable for players who legally paid for such a thing to have it removed it from them as a bait and switch-which is what it all looks like right now?

Human T3 without the particle effects looks nicer than its fiery version, and is still exclusive to Humans. I consider the Flamekissed version to be an affordable variant, not necessarily an improvement. It shouldn’t have been based on human T3, IMHO, but it’s too late for that. The fact is that the human variant never lost its exclusiveness due to it being the original, “vanilla” model that no other race had access to.

Then they should do that to every race cultural armor. Why singling out human light wearers? Why is that design not unique while every other cultural armor is?

Jaymee.1560:

Okay, it’s based off a T3 Racial armor. Big deal, lol… I think the flames compliment the armor nicely. but, oh, who am I kidding….? someone spent 120 gold of fake money, something that doesn’t truly exist and now they are outted imaginary money? Really? Just because the Flamekissed, in essence, is NOT exclusive? It’s because of that, me and others may be penalized someone else’s dislike of the concept, even though WE knowingly bought it cause we loved it.

Oh yes, that’s real fair.

And where do you think those 120g plus transmutation come from? You find it reasonable people spend hours to gather that amount of gold only to be presented by pretty much identical set that would cost less than half as much time or gold?

Star Ace.5207:

Soulmyr.8094:

Aerlen.5326:

Farzo.8410:

Jaymee.1560:

So… I can’t keep it? My husband thought: “You bought it, I doubt that will take it away from you, cause if they do, they better give me my gems back.”

I am one of the few who actually love the armor…

They will remove the look because it was a Cultural Tier 3 set for Humans, just with flames added. It was a kick in the face for Cultural wearers. Especially when ALL the races could wear it as well.

They will change the look into something else, and that is for everyone who bought it. When they update the look, and if you don’t like it, you will get a refund, but the look will be taken away from you.

However, if you used transmutation stones and decide you don’t like the new flamekissed, you are out of luck. You will more than likely not get your original armor back. There are already at least three human players who had bought human light T3 as a skin for their exotic armor and then used the flamekissed skin as an upgrade who will be losing their 120 gold T3 armor completely.

Makes me wonder who got the worse end of the stick here… those “kicked in the face” or those out 120+ gold and their armor.

Stop spreading lies around, creating panic. They specifically stated they will deal with compensations after the new look is released. Quoting support responses when they haven’t even finalized how the compensations will work out help no one so stop it.

It’s not lies if it was a support response. I remember that post. The support representative shouldn’t have been so hasty in giving such a heartless, totally unsatisfactory “support” reply, then. He/she should have stated “we’ll take it case by case” or “wait for more details”, etc. In fact, it is my hope that they read these posts so they understand the crime it would be to go along with that “gem refund only” solution (as stated by the representative), as if it was the customer’s fault at all this happened in the first place.

How do you know support specialist was on track with what was happening? These things don’t get settled over night and their response might be completely different in a couple of days.

Aerlen.5326:

Farzo.8410:

Jaymee.1560:

So… I can’t keep it? My husband thought: “You bought it, I doubt that will take it away from you, cause if they do, they better give me my gems back.”

I am one of the few who actually love the armor…

They will remove the look because it was a Cultural Tier 3 set for Humans, just with flames added. It was a kick in the face for Cultural wearers. Especially when ALL the races could wear it as well.

They will change the look into something else, and that is for everyone who bought it. When they update the look, and if you don’t like it, you will get a refund, but the look will be taken away from you.

However, if you used transmutation stones and decide you don’t like the new flamekissed, you are out of luck. You will more than likely not get your original armor back. There are already at least three human players who had bought human light T3 as a skin for their exotic armor and then used the flamekissed skin as an upgrade who will be losing their 120 gold T3 armor completely.

Makes me wonder who got the worse end of the stick here… those “kicked in the face” or those out 120+ gold and their armor.

Stop spreading lies around, creating panic. They specifically stated they will deal with compensations after the new look is released. Quoting support responses when they haven’t even finalized how the compensations will work out help no one so stop it.

Obsidian angel.9863:

Actually i don’t think this is fair. People who have already bought the flame-kissed armour for other preffesions are going to miss out because we only have the skin for a period of time before they change it. And when they decide to update it our skins we purchased are gonna change.

Why not just give the people who have already purchased this skin the OPTION to DECLINE the Updated skin if they want to KEEP the original flame-kissed. Don’t turn around and say “You can always get a refund” Because i don’t want a refund. I wan’t the flame-kissed armour on my Sylvari necro. And i beg to differ that the UPDATED armour skin for Flame-kissed will be better then what we have.

So why should we not have the option to keep the skin just because all you human’s saved up for a armour skin? Let it sink in, because most of you people have probably transmuted other stuff from other race classes like Engineer backpack on a Thief, We Didn’t complain.

I bet you would like to be one of the few people running around with mega exclusive armor skin huh?
No this would open possibilities for account sellers. You were never supposed to wear T3 human set as a Sylvari and you knew that before the update so why can’t you understand how human players feel? I bet you would be just as upset if it was T3 Sylvari light set available to everyone.

They will give it a new look and if you won’t like it anymore you will get it compensated.

MisterEction.9382:

Sunshine.4680:

jester.1246:

Sunshine.4680:

jester.1246:

Aerlen.5326:

I say the folks who got the skin removed now need to compensate those completely kittened by it’s removal if said people do NOT like the new flamekissed skin. It’s only fair – I’ve heard complaint after complaint of how 800 gem armor made their work for 120 gold worthless and read countless threads about “doing the math”.

Well, your complaints cost some people 120 gold or more. No, not everyone knew that was T3 armor and “controversial” – I didn’t realize until I came to the forums. I held off buying because of the very vocal crap on the forums. Others? Not so lucky. So now, I know of five people completely kittened because they bought exotic armor, earned the gold to buy human T3 light, transmuted it for the skin and then transmuted it to flamekissed yesterday… and now Anet won’t fix that. Is it their fault? Do they deserve to be out that gold and have to earn it all over again?

Please tell me how much gold all of you complaining lost out on because flamekissed existed for 24 hours.

Agreed. They got what they wanted, its removed for remodelling. Let people who bought it in those 24h keep it as is.

Why? What makes them so special to get to keep a skin that obviously shouldn’t have been released? If that’s the case I want firey norn t3 sent to me because I picked a human for racial specific armors.

The fact that we PAID for it and we’ll lose gold/skins on forced refund (because I’ve used it over some of my cultural armor and armor that was transmuted few times)

For all I care make every cultural armor available for all classes. This was first light armor set that I really liked from shop

Than you should have rolled a human.

Why should he have rolled a human to wear a flaming armor that didn’t exist, looks better on a norn or sylvari and is going to be completely removed from the game?

Because it’s actually a cheap rip off of T3 cultural set that is supposed to be unique to a single race? Don’t worry you will still get your flame armor.

Here:

You know, in looking at all the situations with players and their different needs, I really believe the best course here is to wait for the introduction of the replacement armor set. From what I’ve been told, it’s going to be really nice. Please keep in mind we’ve already made it clear that Customer Support will try to resolve the individual concerns that you may have once the armor change is made. Each of you may have slightly different situations. But since the armor is not out now, and because we will be happy to address your concern after you’ve had time to appraise the new set, doesn’t it make sense to wait and see?

I’m pretty sure customer support hasn’t finalized yet how they will deal with the issue.