@Cribbage like it or not in this game you NEED people to play. Chasing players away from the game is going to make a sad Cribbage the day you log in and there is no one to play with!
I don’t really see how players logging on to grind helps me. It doesn’t give me anyone to team with in PvP and it doesn’t give allies to kill event bosses with.
Yes, I definitely DO need a decent level of population to play, but they need to be something other than grinding zombies to have a beneficial effect on my game.
Who do you think buys and sells materials? Who do you think trades gold for gems? Who do you think grinds honor badges for hours on end making PVP enjoyable? I could go on and on DR effects PVP and PVE.
I think you are kinda missing the point.
If grinding mats is a necessary part of the game economy, my preference is to change the economy so it is no longer necessary. Not to invite a load of farmers to play.
If grinding honour badges is the only way to get someone to PvP, then my preference is to make PvP be enough fun that people don’t NEED and artificial currency to motivate them.
In other words, make the game fun enough that people will actually want to play it for its own sake.
To this I say amen but truth behold the current system requires a massive grind. Have you ever leveled a craft to 400? The amount of mats you need is mind boggling. Want to travel to 10 zones @80? Get ready to bend over minimum your going to pay 2s30c if they way point is 10ft away and up to 5s if its far away.
Anet does a great job at keeping you broke, the game is very unrewarding. The only way to get ahead is to sit there and grind until your rear end is numb. DR took that away leaving anyone who didn’t get their gear before DR screwed. That’s why there is such a uproar on the forum.
^^^ I rest my case!
@Cribbage like it or not in this game you NEED people to play. Chasing players away from the game is going to make a sad Cribbage the day you log in and there is no one to play with!
I don’t really see how players logging on to grind helps me. It doesn’t give me anyone to team with in PvP and it doesn’t give allies to kill event bosses with.
Yes, I definitely DO need a decent level of population to play, but they need to be something other than grinding zombies to have a beneficial effect on my game.
Who do you think buys and sells materials? Who do you think trades gold for gems? Who do you think grinds honor badges for hours on end making PVP enjoyable? I could go on and on DR effects PVP and PVE.
I should say of course they want and appreciate continuted patronage. More income is always appreciated in any business. And you touched upon the good qualities of the buy to play system- you are not forced to buy the gems with real life money, you can simply play the game and exchange gold for gems.
Are you proposing that you want some sort of fan thank you letter or in game reward?
News flash! In order to trade gold for gems some one has to buy the gems first.
ArenaNet values their customers, and I’m sure is quite interested in ongoing revenue in the gem shop and through sales of expansions.
They can not, however, please every player. This game will never be all things to all people. Some people are going to decide this isn’t the game for them, and are going to leave. ArenaNet would be very foolish to try and please everyone…they need to stick with their design philosophy and continue to develop and fix bugs based on the solid foundation they have in place.
I don’t undestand what more ArenaNet could do, beyond the daily interaction here on the forums, and the many posts on Facebook, Twitter, and reddit. They are as engaged as they can be, and taking feedback and bug reports and working on the game the best they can. Again, none of that means that your particular gripes are going to be addressed. There are hundreds of thousands of people in the community, and there’s no way ArenaNet can have personal conversations with each one and change the game to make each one happy.
I know it might seem that a lot of people are unhappy with certain things when reading these forums, but it’s important to keep in perspective that forum posters are a very small, vocal, and deeply invested portion of the overall player base. You really can’t know how the overall community is liking the game or how much they are playing based on what you see here. The truth is, pretty much everything gets entirely blown out of proportion and deeply polarized in an echo chamber like this…and it’s easy to get carried away by the mob and get very bent out of shape and emotional.
ArenaNet is obviously professional, and has plenty of experience running an online game and dealing with a community. This isn’t their first rodeo. They know what’s really happening with the community overall, and are the only ones who can decide what changes are workable in their design and which are not. I think they generally go out of their way to be open and provide detailed information and explanations when they do things…so I don’t really see a problem, other than you personally not liking certain things and not getting your personal issues directly addressed in what you feel is a timely manner.
Your 100% right most people leave with out saying a word. The people complaining about the game on the forums are the players who want it to succeed! Yet the fan boys puff up their chest and attack anyone who has anything to say other then Anet are gods!
@Cribbage like it or not in this game you NEED people to play. Chasing players away from the game is going to make a sad Cribbage the day you log in and there is no one to play with!
I just checked the servers (by choosing “world selection” at character select, if you want to try some real data instead of dooming n glooming):
NA Mostly Full and heavy with 3 medium
EU Some Full, mostly High and some mediumYep, everyone has left
I said people start leaving around the 30 day mark and leave by the masses @90day mark. Favorite this thread and check the population in 60 days and then do a comparison.
@Dan there is a HUGE difference between GW1 and GW2. GW1 was a peer to peer game which means some ones PC was hosting the game and sharing their bandwidth with other players.
GW2 on the other hand is a full fledged MMORPG which means Anet is hosting the game on their servers and using their bandwidth. The cost to maintain GW2 is at least 10x that of GW1 and that can not be maintained on B2P alone or they wouldnt have a cash shop!
@knight your only fooling yourself if you don’t think Anet likes Gem sales. They want to keep you in the game as long as possible and they want you to buy lots of gems. With out Gem sales sooner or latter they would be forced to shut the game down because of lack of funds!
I have one word for you “Gem$” with out the sale of Gem$ Anet will shut this game down faster then you can blink your eye!
But the people I’m talking about refuse to loosen their grip on the credit card to pay a monthly fee. Why would they buy gems when they just want to pass the time until the next MMO release?
You’re talking about the Farmville crowd there, where a single “whale” spends enough to subsidize the game for thousands of free players. Arenanet only needs a small number of these players and they are not among the group I posted about.
I hate to break it to you they need more then a small amount to keep the game going and updated. If enough people don’t buy Gem$ then customer support, game development, and new expansions and your very own player experience will suffer!
I have one word for you “Gem$” with out the sale of Gem$ Anet will shut this game down faster then you can blink your eye!
Undead if you want to see a dead f2p game look no further then D3! Like I said just because a game is free doesn’t mean people will keep playing;
Varyag Guild Wars 1 was a whole different animal.
True, but it survived fine without WoW players and “the sky is falling” MMORPG jumpers.
Funny how I see Guild Wars 1 players making daily posts/threads about how much this game sucks and Anet is a sell out.
Actually, I’d say Anet have made the only MMORPG since Guild Wars 1 that was actually worth paying for.
I agree the game was very fun before DR. Being punished for the way I want to play the game is not fun.
@Undead look at Star Wars Bioware spent $300 million developing the game and by 90 days it was a ghost town and now its going free to play. That’s just one example! Just because a game is free to play doesn’t mean players are going to keep playing if there unhappy.
P.S. if you want proof of a unhappy player base go to the 1~70 zones they are ghost towns which means lack of new sales and people not happy enough with the game to make new alts!
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Varyag Guild Wars 1 was a whole different animal. Funny how I see Guild Wars 1 players making daily posts/threads about how much this game sucks and Anet is a sell out. That mean’s there as unhappy as the rest of us. Time will tell how many players stick around after the 90 day mark!
Kimbald Anet has yet to establish a player base. Everyone and their brother buy new games to check them out. Keeping them is a whole different story. Slapping players in the face is not a good way to build your player base!
Nerva I cant wait until you try and get exotic, then we will see who has the last laugh!
@Undead your right were a month in and that’s when people start to give up on a game and by they 90-day mark they are ghost towns. Now is not the time to upset your player base!
Kimbald no one likes DR before or after the game launch. I will bet a $100 the reason they didn’t put DR in beta is because they would have sold half as many copies if they were lucky.
Putting it in 2 weeks after launch was a slap in the players face! Mean while the botter’s laugh at Anet and multiply by the day!
@tol I got a full set of exotic armor/jewelry before DR was in place and it was a huge grind. If I were a new player today and tried to get exotics I would just give up on the game.
@lag if I want to sit in one spot and kill the same mob over and over and its fun for me then I should be able to do it. Developers should never dictate a way a player should play. FFXIV tried that and look where that got them!
Sam how is it a broken system? If he wants to grind gold all day then so be it. I know this might be a new concept to you but games are meant to be PLAYED ANY WAY A PLAYER SEE"S FIT. This isn’t China there shouldn’t be anyone dictating how you should play!
The way they are handling bots blows my mind. They punish players because of bots! I reported bots 4 days ago in Orr guess what they are still there and they have brought a bunch of new bot friends.
@dalendria yes the high level zones are populated but the fact is the low level zones are not and as Kimbald say many players are having trouble doing world events.
High level people get board and quit all the time. Its the new players that keep a game going. If we don’t start getting more new blood in the game the servers are not going to be high population for very long!
WOW is a beast of another nature at one point they had 15 million players and they were under 8 million not too long ago, I am sure some came back for pandas but they will leave again in a few months.
If you haven’t noticed the newbee areas in this game are becoming barren which means two things. (A) The high level players are not having enough fun to make alts. (B) Game sales have slowed!
I love this game its the best game that I have played in a long time. Having said that Anet should not dictate how players should play a game. Games are meant to be played any way a player see’s fit. The way they are handling things right now is killing off the player base and I don’t want to see this game die.
As I said in the other thread got to love how fan boys defend horrid game mechanics to the end! Yet they are the first to scream “Please do something to bring the player base back”!
You got to love fan boys who defend horrid game mechanics to the end. Yet they are the first to scream “Please do something to bring the player base back”! Trust me on this once the damage has been done and a player quits 99% of the time they are not coming back!
MMO’s shouldn’t be about 1 play type they are meant to be played by the way a player see’s fit. And to the people saying that only a few people are complaining about DR. That’s because others flat out quit with out saying a word.
Have you looked at the 1 to 70 zones on your server? Mine are pretty barren which means players are not having enough fun to make alts and game sales have slowed!
Heck no in Orr the bots are multiplying by the day. I reported them 4 days ago and guess what there still there!
Make gold! OH WAIT NEVER MIND! You cant do that anymore!
The whole DR system is a joke, “Don’t stay in one area too long and get ready to bend over as you port around”. If I cant make gold at 80 then whats the point of playing the game because there is nothing else to do!
Edit: I payed $60 for the game and $90 for gems, If Anet wants me to continue to open my wallet then they better let me have some fun!
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@Zaxan my AMD FX 8120 3.1GHZ can max the FPS on 98% of the games I own. The only games that it cant max is the poorly written ones. I can peg BF3 @60+FPS running 1920×1080 on the highest setting. That game is 5 times more resource intense then this game.
Which proves this games code was very poorly written. Even people with I5 & I7 processors are singing the blues. About the only type of processor that has no complaints of low FPS are the I7 Extreme people and I would sure hope if your running a $1k processor that you wouldn’t have any complaints in any game!
Lets be honest with our selves here 80%~90% of players in any game are lone wolf type or play with a select group of friends. And the random people who do try and group together are punished by game mechanics. Go try a dungeon and come back and tell me how much you like grouping with randoms.
I honestly think the game has peaked and sales are down which is why your not seeing that many low level players.
In the end people are going to vote with their wallet. The newbee areas are already ghost towns and soon its going to be all areas!
I am about to give up on this game unless something is done about the bots!
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I read the sticky and are you telling me that in the last 4 days they have been too busy to ban these bots? There are at least 20 of them now!
I am about to give up on this game unless something is done about the bots!
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I reported the bots on my server 4 days ago yet there still there and multiply by the day. I am done with this game if ANet doesn’t start mass banning bots!
Hawk don’t sweat it the is very poorly written I have a AMD FX rig that pegs BF3 @60fps on the highest setting. And that game is way more demanding then this one. Yet I get crap fps in this game.
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I honestly think there is no fix thats going to help which is why they are being silent.
Don’t cry friend this game is poorly optimized people are having fps issues with the best rigs money can buy.
I will say this much, in the end people are going to vote with their wallet. I guess we will see who wins!
Its getting harder and harder to make gold every day because broker prices keep droping. I am getting to the point of frustration, most prices on the broker are half of what they were 2 weeks ago!
I honestly think the cost of the way points would be a big deal if gold wasn’t so hard to get. Arena Net said this game is not about a grind well you could fool me, making gold is a huge grind!
I’ll be honest here. I do like the game. I’ve got an 80 mesmer and I love pvping with it. I’ve even grown to love my guardian alt. But, I’m not as “into” the game as I was a month ago. Mostly because I’m an explorer at heart and I’ve already unlocked the whole map on one character. It was awesome, but what can I do now that I’ve done what I enjoy the most? So that’s one thing. Second, I really like progression systems and I feel as if my progression on my 80 is done. I’m in exotics, story is done, world is explored, all skills unlocked, trait build set, only thing I can truly progress now with it is sPVP. That’s fun for a few matches but the length of time to rank up is pretty slow and the reward for doing so, pretty minimal.
I just find myself starting to look elsewhere for that sense of immersion and progression that I feel MMOs should have. Granted, it hasn’t been done right in any game since FFXI, but I can’t blame Anet for that. I blame the genre for getting away from creating long lasting content.
I’m hoping Anet with their awesome base game can innovate in the area of longevity now and surprise us all with some incredible updates. Updates that extend the life of the game and MAKE me want to log in and keep playing.
I have to agree with you here FFXI was a magical game that captured your imagination and keep you sucked into the world. Granted it was one heck of a journey to 80 in Guild Wars 2 but now I am left with a now what feeling. How ever I don’t plan on quitting any time soon!
IDK if its progression or direction, but once you hit 80 in this game your left with the feeling of now what? The broker gear is the same stats of dungeon gear so most people feel its not worth the grind. 100% map completion is non rewarding as well. I am afraid this game is going to loose tons of players if Arenanet doesn’t fix it fast.
I think the only problem with this game is the vast majority of the population has ADD. They can’t focus on a game for more then 5 minutes!
I am still having fun but its getting awful lonely with my guild mates not logging in for almost 2 weeks now.
The developers said this game is not about a grind but rather to have fun and like the poster above said whats wrong with fun?
I honestly don’t think this game is GOTY quality there are far too many bugs that still are not fixed!
I think you guys are missing the real point here. Who in their right mind wants to trade gold for gems when gold is so hard to get in the first place? Even though I am 80 its still not easy to get gold its very time consuming. Why would I want to sell my gold and make less then some one flipping burgers?