there was indeed a gap in our coverage because everyone was so kittening bored of camping woodhaven and cliffside on WSR and RoF for hours and hours they simply logged off. In my case i was offline reading the forum while this happened. With you guys waiting for Xaoc going to bed before you make an effort the people of Gunnar’s are bored to kitten during the first half of our primetime and just dont play anymore.
you mean 300 damage back, not 1500, lol. clearly you are the only one who thinks retaliation is OP. happen to be a ranger or thief glass cannon?
are they staying on surmia for good? :O
retaliation- that thing hitting for 300 damage? very OP indeed.
yeah its ridiculous.. exploit it while anet is still trying to spell the word b a l a n c e. i mean look the sigil has 2 seconds cooldown, at least that makes sense.. but the buff food has no cooldown at all, you get like 2 times your best heal with a single axe skill off this stuff, or aoe 5 targets and get 1.5k hp a swing.. another thing where i thought anet is just far from having a clue when it comes to balance. and i mean like really far, we are not talking about tweaking numbers..
Only a WvW player would not take SM for something dirty.
I think we have exciting times in front of us at Gunnar’s Hold. We will be on the rise in WvW for the next weeks. Also we have a lot of events going on on our server, daily mining runs for the siege costs, weekly opening all temples, WvW-community-events, training sessions and more. We coordinate guilds in mumble and plan tactics on the forum.
Your online presence is at the time when our old core-people are operating, mostly british and a bit more +GMT. Im quite sure you will enjoy it greatly, these are the hardended bunch that stack through and built the core of the GH community. I am absolutely sure they would love to welcome you in our middle and profit from your experience (and manpower xD).
Mid-Tiers is also what we are aiming for.
GG, hopefully see you soon!
Quote: “I think the numbers GH fielded weren’t always a help for them (clearly a lot of PvE players been mobilised), their groups were regularly disjointed, positioned awfully, using rams instead of ranged siege, and getting kittened in group skirmishes through poor general play.”
well Gunnar’s aint too serious and try harding this week, since we got the win already. for example my beasty endgame warrior that kills dozens of RoFs and WSR at times got replaced by a lvl 12 thief who was really generous in giving out loot bags to everyone she met xD the flame ram – prolly for Commander Goat to sit his old butt down for a bit while the younger warriors deal with the lord.
I am sorry for RoF and WSR, this week wont be fun. i hope you can do something to stick through it, maybe hold some other kinds of events or try special tactics – i hope we will be gone next week and you will have better matchup. If you want some fun with me, im not fighting for Gunnar’s this week because no need.., pm me for some duels and stuff if you like, or maybe we can just hunt some quaggans and then look at the sunrise together =) I am very sorry, i know exactly how this kind of matchup feels, but keep together and better times will come!
btw commanders of RoF and WSR: green EB is not as bad as it seems. arenanet calls it a “target-rich environment” – roaming can be fun and very rewarding in terms of exp and gold, just be faster then the enemy blob and dont try to hold towers! people loved it when i took them cruising around dzagonur’s EB and we had lots of fun – good luck!
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if you dont cap back we might tier up :X underworld doing too well ;(
http://mos.millenium.org/matchups
this is going to hurt when the full xaoc arrives.. i wouldnt recommend to upgrade :X
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i dont know about the defense size, dont want to make excuses, sorry. when we had kicked you out of bay (for like 3rd time >.<) and cleared all trebs in vale i thought were fine and took a break. afterall had got my kitten kicked for 3 hours straight lol. i was one of the warriors who kept going over the left side into vale to do damage on trebs >.< i donated a lot of bags
What about the LOVE guild :L they kicked our kitten yesterday.
haha i bet that vale farming was good loot bags for you LOVE fellows :P my lives for the trebs! you were amazingly persistent there, we kicked you out of bay a lot of times, but you didnt give up at all… and i see you claimed it even after i thought we were safe and left O_O
at least there will be balanced matchups at SOME point.
with every guild able to transfer without cost the imbalance would never have ended. after 28th, servers will move to their spot in the new balance and will stay there for good a few months later.
maybe then every tier can have as exciting matchups as gandara vs dzago vs aurora (16k for every server last time i checked) this week.
feedback from someone who tried this build:
I admit I had my reservations, thought glassy spike damage was the way to go with GS. You proved me wrong. The build worked beautifully! First I started with capping camps, and yeah it was very easy to solo them. No need to even heal. Then I tried some minor skirmishes. Found a group of 4 _ (server name) who were derping around durios. After a few painful (for them) encounters of them trying to gank me and realizing I wasn’t going down anytime soon, I actually had 4 people run away from me. Those were ______, _______ (good guild names) etc. guys btw. Only lost a few duels vs kiter condition builds, something leg specialist could have helped with (she took empowered >.<)
I had so much fun with it I burned through all my ghosts. :P Can’t recommend this build enough if you want GS in WvW!
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Krosan that effort was well picked to hit us on our weak side in coverage. It helped us grounding ourselves to our weakness. We would like to go to T7 and not being completely stomped, thats why we need to eliminate this weakness. Gunnar’s are having the time of their life these weeks, for us its ultimate fun after those months of climbing down the ladder. Thank you for being a good enemy and putting an effort where possible. We still scared of RoF numbers, i dont think we outnumber you too badly in terms of total WvW players, but our morale is much better because of 2 wins in a row – many people are playing that keep off WvW when we are getting a smackdown.
I too wonder about Vabbi and RoS. It will take a little more time untill they meet us, i hope we can be out of T8 by this time xD But probably not.. will be interesting. I dont really know how strong they are now.
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is my WVW build and i wouldnt change a thing, tanky dps.. not so much sustain unless you keep hitting enemies to getting those crits for omnomberry heal, then its great.
however since you seem to be the primary dps with your thief, maybe a hammer/shout spec would take you further, its the ulimate sustain that warrior can get and great control to keep your squishy butt safe.
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middle quaggans send guards to the supply camps.
the other nodes generate lightning storm and veteran quaggan with his gang “attacking” bay, hills or garrison.
fantastic CC? :O
It is hilarious atm. As a Warrior, I can only watch as the legions of Thieves/Elementalists on my team speed off towards the objective and DPS everything down before I can get there.
Now, I know I can waste my ELITE skill and keep up, but should I have to? Plus, even with 30% Boon duration there is still a downtime to Signet of Rage.
Warriorare the fastest class on gw2 (hint: the FASTEST, not the one with the highest mobility, which is thief), sword/warhorn + GS is basically:
10 seconds of swiftness with a 20s CD
Leap from the sword with a 7s CD
a sort of leap from the #3 GS with low CD
another sort of leap from the @5 GS with a high CD
Elite skill which lasts 30s and has a 48s CD.You sir, are basically in perma swiftenss PLUS a lot of leaps.
bro, you forgot the bullsrush =) its hilarious how fast the warrior can go. and personally, i have extra 7% swiftness speed – huehuehue
Seems like we will be stuck with each other for another week my dear RoF and WSR. I found that very naughty what you did there yesterday with pulling an allnighter and then eating all our stuff when we were working, RoF :O VERY naughty. In response to that we are now working to eliminate this weakness with increasing our coverage =) You probably noticed a little increase in activity on GH after this stunt, everyone was like GRRRRRRRRRRRR this is calling for BLOOD and we did pound on you a bit more then usual i think =) Although with WSR being in the state that they are – its mostly RoF vs GH anyways, except for rare occasions like hours-long zerging of both enemies in our SM Lord’s Room >.<
and Psy.. sometimes the random zergs arent as random as it seems =) Got an exotic off you guys – and kudos to the Psy elementalist that i ganked while he was afk outside SM – good fight, glad i had almost downed you already before you noticed xD
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what you mean “almost”, tell that to the thieves who catch a kill shot from my full berserker set rifle
srsly get level 80, toughness, vitality – problem solved.
did you consider that there are 7 milion ways to communicate outside the game?
if you are up for a hammer you can get 50% free crit chance on disabled targets, that should give some heavy hits even with full tough/pow/vit build. but well hammer and damage arent exactly married either. But without changing your gear its pretty much the only option imho.
i think he meant babysitter? xD Robertas try to get all armor piece and ring/earring with toughness, it helps taking less damage. also try to find health regenration like mango pie from lion post, very cheap but good – also do you use 2h sword? good for leveling..
Leo… about staying and fight.. xaoc.. lol. Demannu you are how old?
Mad fun yesterday, but after all that i slept like 10 hours… wow RoF you still have a lot of players! We had more then a hard time from midday to midnight, getting pushed everywhere and not a kitten yard progress on your BL even with big efforts. holy cow i need a break now! That SM zerging was great too lol. Gunnar’s was just sitting outside waiting untill you guys got tired of repair costs, then secured the lords room again. Nice lag too, im glad i had HP Regen food ^^ Wow i hope you wont give to us that hard all week or i might have a heart attack. Just glad we didnt really break down to our knees at any time, i think the GH morale got just away with it because you did not take any major targets except bay.
yeah you are right, for a change its Gunnars that have the numbers now =) But we were looking different 2 weeks ago, i think you might agree. Last 2 weeks were great for us, we picked up a lot of momentum and organization and got new guilds to our server. While we were playing in the same league 2 weeks ago, i think Gunnar has become quite a bit stronger now and might go back to T7 unless Vabbi and Surmia be terrorizing in T8 soon..
i would take axe / axe for 2nd set for serious melee. but the longbow is not too bad in WvW zerg vs zerg, give it a try also. When you go out of the zerg because you got a heavy beating, the longbow can still keep firing, also the longbow is the only weapon to put down serious aoe from range for warrior, very important in WvW to block zergs coming through narrow path. I was of the opinion the longbow is totally crap, but the longer i play it the more uses i find actually. A 2nd melee set will gimp your combat time because for upfront battle you have already the GS. Also the number 5 skill is nice for catching someone and set him up for GS #4 into 100b. bad longbow skills are #2 and #4 only, the rest is very valuable. It doesnt synergize well with GS, but for WvW its still one hell of a weapon.
edit: you are right, for 1v1 mace in offhand is very good, i wrote it wrong up there, axe offhand is good for zerg vs zerg, not 1v1.
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Well sorry i am at work and cant check on my toughness value. But armor is 3284 – i think that should not be low on toughness? all my gear have toughness on it O_O
hello i have full healing set for hammer / shout warrior. its a lot of fun when people cant kill you because your healing is bigger then their dps, but gets boring fast. ok you heal fast and a lot and remove conditions, but what else can you do? nothing.
I would love if someone actually tried it out instead of pointing out the flaws that are obvious and that i named myself even :P i am conscious of the weaknesses, but still i wouldnt change the build. the runes of speed are elementary to this build. they bring higher mobility and extra vitality which scales very well with the huge armor.
Novean: For serious dueling i would pick Axe/Axe as 2nd set, #5 will give you serious healing with omnom. Like i wrote im just too lazy to switch and i dont build for 1v1, ignore the longbow if you arent too lazy to switch weapons during wvw, there are much better choices (actually: all of them) BUT the longbow has its uses catching those elementalists that laugh about my mobility even with this build
Cempa: I dont understand
Clyne: Of course. The god build is because you feel like a god when you go into enemy zerg and start killing left and right
Well tbh i would rather have someone really try this build and then tell me his opinion. Because the downsides that are mentioned – well yeah im aware of them and i still wouldnt change the build. taking mobile strikes means taking 20 points of of this build which will remove core elements.. not possible, although i love mobile strikes. Use the roots for casting your heal or something ^^
i wouldnt mention 1v5 if i had not actually done it.. of course they were upscaled, but still.. ^^ i hope someone will check it out and not only criticize in theory.
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someone put a post-it on SM saying “Property of Gunnar’s Hold” or something, we could just walk in there without resistance on SM
WSR was ramming the north gate while we went through inner north – things could have got really rough if WSR was a bit faster and RoF went for SM instead of our keep. And really RoF you rush our keep with a bunch of Catapults, well thats too slow. Of course when our keep was contested everyone wondered where RoF is and we didnt have to do a lot of guessing
if anyone is testing this i would LOVE some feedback comparing it to other GS builds in WvW that you’ve played. Ive played GS almost nonstop since launch and this is my final build, wont change a thing anymore.
Some numbers:
HP: ~24k
Armor: 3285
Attack ~3.1k
Critical Chance: 69% with Fury
Critical Damage: 22%
(1 shameless bump before i let this die)
how do i join the dueling group? Is it a guild? I would like to test my warrior in 1v1 =)
edit: thanks, will say hi when i get home.
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Hey TEO ill shamelessly invite you to Gunnar’s because i seen you caring a great deal about defense. not only are all the towers upgraded again if you pay them a vist 20 minutes after downgrading.. but also there is always a few TEO noses around to make you abort those plans of just putting 4 rams and be done with it. Argh! On Gunnar’s we have a lot of people dedicated to defending our borderland and you would be hailed by competent defenders who would like to have you on our side. Sorry for the bad taste of ninja-inviting you to your opponents server, but i just want to take the chance because i’ve noticed you and i would love to have you on our side
sorry, i do completely understand if you tell me to GTFO =)
Cheers, Commander Starhejm
my guild have only 2 members but we can have a duel you vs me? ^^ i would like that
and Ventus you almost make me feel bad about winning >.< Almost!
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what level / gear do you have? i dont seem to have any problems beating up guardians with my greatsword. though when i tried rifle in wvw (and i did buy a full berserker set just for that) i found it sucks big time. not my weapon i guess so i blame that. but first of all are you even 80 and decked out in exotics?
nice matchup! didnt think we would pull ahead like this, you guys still planning to challenge our victory? :P or catfight over 2nd place? ^^ I think this week also shows a more clear picture of what happened last week, eh RoF?
GS is very good a killing mesmers. lock them down with #4 and leg specialist, destroy all their clones while dodging with #3, keep up with their blinks with #5.. what other weapon is better against Mesmers? But really most GS warriors have no idea what they are doing, its the best PVE weapon and all the upscaled newbies use it. but beware of the GS warriors that know what they are doing..
you dont kill anything with a hammer anyways. maybe a upscaled newbie, but never anyone who knows his class and has his gear. if you want to kill, put the hammer away. srsly.
and the guy who asked how warriors deal with constant condition pressure – they build for it (soldier runes, shouts, kormir, mending) or use the downstate to get rid of them :P
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glad for anyone taking off because “there is no progression”. so you cant overgear.. aww.. dont let the door hit you on the way out bro. have fun in a game where gear > skill then.
yeah the link didnt work, so i put some more words there instead of the link. i put the vigorous return just lately and i agree its not a no-brainer. defy pain is in the 3rd tier, we got spiked armor there as a superior choice. why? because you negate onomberry healing and have a huge bonus on fast attacking targets like ranger or thief, soften them up before putting them down with a few swings. turtle’s defense would be the obvious choice, but this build is rocking 3.2k armor base.. so not much gain there. why not 20 in slashing? because its a low damage bonus compared to others and we really need the points for better stuff, also the minor is crap. balanced stance.. well we got it built in passive already. bulls rush is a single target and we have plenty mobility already of this kind with the greatsword #5, this build focuses on dishing out damage to a lot of players at the same time. fear me has much more uses and is aoe.
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this is a GS build, not a longbow build
the longbow is just there to put some fire on the walls because its the only siege weapon for warrior and thus a must in wvw, disregard it :P the best mobility is from runes and leg specialist. and no i dont bleed much, bleed is kitten and i eat those 1h warriors for breakfest any day any time. The added rally health is because when you spearhead a zerg you gonna rally like popups on a porn site and keep smashing heads in to rally more, its worth it in WvW. I used to use bullsrush when i was a newbie and did bulls-frenzy-100b combo – but outside that, dont see much use. what stance do you suggest? i used to run around with frenzy and last chance but eventually dropped it again in favour of fear me – great to get away from sticky chasers, great for making people suicide over cliffs, great for causing havoc in the middle of enemy zerg. really powerfull skill.
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Allright im done trying around for a working greatsword build, bottom line: There is none. Because with any greatsword build thats putting some serious damage and doesnt lack totally on the defensive, you are going to have close to no condition removal. Well thats the way it is, but dont despair: We have ways to deal with condition classes even without condition removal. Mobility and regeneration. So here is my build, designed to spearhead a zerg and kick massive kitten in a non-burst way.
Skills:
Healing Surge for a big heal when your lifesteal doesnt cut it anymore, also: adrenaline for longbow combo field. Take mending if you want some condition removal.
For Great Justice – passive buff on autocast or anything you like, shake it off for more condition removal.
Endure Pain – For the hngrrrmblgrrr moments like running into 3 ballistas
Fear me – Get off my back/off the siege/over the cliff
Signet of Rage – Need this.
Traits: 10/20/30/10/0
Berserker’s power, 30% vuln, might on crit, rally health, balanced stance, spiked armor, leg specialist
Gear:
Invader Armor Set with Knight Chest – Knights Trinkets with Ruby Jewels, Knights Amulet, Cavaliers Backpiece (Ruby). Runes of Speed (+7% speed on swiftness).
Buff food:
Master Maintenance Oil
Omonomberry Ghost
Weapon: I use a Knights GS, but i guess Berserker would work nicely too, if you think you have enough armor already.
I use the Sigil of Air for some extra dps, its not debatable in the sense that there are surely superior options which i cant afford
Chilling on crit could be nice, well just mentioning my sigil for completion, its still the one rather bad choice in this build imho, gonna change it when i made up my mind.
2nd Weapon of your choice, the build is only for GS… axe offhand is nice for lifesteal with #5 in a zerg, or whatever rocks your boat.. i use longbow because im too lazy to switch and need it for siege, but also putting up the fire combo field and then whirlwinding through is .. nice
How this build works? Charge and see
100b only if you can hit a lot of targets at the same time, otherwise be mobile with whirlwind, charge, dodge.. also when you on top of someone use #4 then 100b. That will root him 2 times and you can pull off almost the whole combo.
btw this is a WVW BUILD – so think before you criticise. It is not designed for 1v1, but for 1v5 (newbs
) and for 1 vs 20 havoc (endure pain, fear, whirlwind, 100b) with 20 of your people arriving 5-10 seconds behind their commander and providing you with all the rallies you need to scare the kitten out of everyone.
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We have done the turnaround in WvW after falling down week after week from T2 and are winning this week in T8 (at the moment
). Great time to join us! If we continue like this we might get back a spot in T7 aswell. Lots of Gunnars out and rolling, withstood a 8-hour attack on SM by both enemies, leading by 30k this week, things are much more enjoyable then the weeks before. Take your chance and join us now!
http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/evolution/eu
If you klick on Gunnar’s Hold you will see why this week is special for us
Greetings to WSR and RoF
Thank you Xinius for honest and humble words, its is my thinking too. Without pact we could have fought for this number 1 place on daily basis i think, more fun even then what we got now, although RoS would have been lower on points (but who cares..)
Zerging 3-4 hours around your garrisons make one want to /ragequit this game.