Guild Wars 2

Nodeninja.5321:

This made me chuckle, simply because we have set up in supply camps (Godsword mainly) with 8-10 players and held HoD groups of 30+ out until half of us left to aid somewhere else and 30 vs 5 seemed safe. I highly doubt you’ve seen 5 people from any server take out 25 from another unless the 25 were underleveled and the 5 were using guards, but hyperbole is king here just as it is in politics.

In all truth, if the 5 are on Vent/another form of VOIP, have worked together a lot and are well prepared with Siege/etc…I would generally bet on them. Good 5-mans can wipe an entire Zerg.

Jeda.5209:

When top Kain WVW guilds broke up and left namely iSPY, WAR, KAIN it open a void for players to go to for WVW and DE seem to be one of the top guilds for hardcore wvwers besides SoS whose been here

KAIN hasn’t left. :p A couple KAIN members went to other Servers, I myself have been scouting to help my fellow Commanders when we face higher Tiers to better know a Server/Enemy Commander’s tactics…But we’re still very much there.

Ethersin.3270:

I have no idea what you are talking about. From what I have seen they are hands down the best group of players out there in WvW. They are well disciplined, organize, and constantly theory crafting for new strategies. This is coming from someone who is not in their guild and they are not in our alliance. I seriously don’t understand the negative attitude some people in Kaineng have towards transferring guilds, if you are in a position where you feel threatened from these guilds, I can assure we didn’t come here to take any spot light or anything. Its a game and we login just to have fun.

1st off: No idea how “Good” WM actually is. By that I mean that I’ve seen as many very good WM Players as I’ve seen very bad. Most are fairly “Average”. I think the one thing I saw of WM I found most commendable while on ET was their response time. While I would often have issues of getting people to “Respond” when there’s a problem, with WM they will immediately send people to fix the problem. Beyond that I can not say just yet.

2nd off: I honestly don’t think most of Kaineng has an issue with WM or NEO or anyone new, the issue is that most of us enjoy “Fair” fights…And by that I mean where all sides can honestly compete. Iow: It’s nothing at all personal, we mostly just wish you’d waited till we were higher up in Tiers. With that in mind, though, I do understand WHY you came down to Kaineng now and it makes sense.

WiltedBrainz.9703:

Wolf, it was a pleasure having you visit us on ET!

The pleasure was mine, I assure you. Had tremendous fun with you guys.

Silent Polaris.9301:

I would like to thank everyone in Kaineng in the HoD BL right now spawn camping us and dancing with your 5 ballistas. You are so obviously the more talented group of people. Don’t worry though, we will still fight you to the end, and do so with honor.

…It’s things like this that make me consider never going back to Kaineng. I know that it’s not -all- the “New” players, there’s likely some of the “Older Kaineng” Players who weren’t willing to fight DR because they didn’t wanna lose doing this. It’s completely disgusting and unworthy of us. I’d apologize for them, but since I know it won’t stop it would be an empty gesture. Instead I will simply say: At least Kaineng will not be your opponents long, if you want to run Dungeons or something feel free to Message me if you need another person.

WiltedBrainz.9703:

That was an epic battle on SM around 3:30am EST. ET fought off both servers for around 25 min, in the lord room. You all wanted in. Nice try on trying to divide our forces by tagging ET Overlook. You might have succeeded if it wasn’t upgraded. I am still proud of ET holding off as long as we did with what little numbers we had at that time. I was the thief sealing up the walls behind you all. I also can’t believe I was alive as long as I was, running that arrow cart in the lord room. Good fight, but we just got outnumbered with both servers pushing lol.

@JudgeD Stay on your server post. No need to come and condescend to us on our tier. Quite frankly, I don’t think Kain was THAT good. You just overwhelmed us in numbers. One of my buds transferred to your server for a week to do his map completion, and was telling me how you all are bragging about how good you are in your new tier, I wish you gl, but keep it on your own battlefield plz.

Now to the rest of you all. THANK YOU! I haven’t had this much fun in WvW in quite a long time. I hope the battles continue throughout the week to give everyone new to the game, on all 3 servers a chance to experience WvW in a positive way.

I don’t want to sound like a d$%k, but there is no sense in salting an old wound. It’s like having your ex hang out at your house when you are having a date with a new woman.

GL and hope to slit your throats on the battlefield!

It sounds like you guys are having incredible fun here now. Good luck to all of you, though I must say I have a particular fondness for ET and I am totally cheering you guys on since I hopped on your server while Kaineng was there. :p Found it funner to be on the “Beaten” side than the “Beating” one.

I really truly hope we will have a chance in the future to take you guys on with the truly “Dedicate Kaineng Core” people. In the end it all depends on whether or not all these Transfer Guilds stay with us or abandon us…If we come back down to T8 though, I won’t be upset, I look forward to fighting any/all of you guys again.

Theftwind.8976:

Although we are outnumbered 4:1 on our own BL I think we can give and did give Kaineng a pretty decent fight. However I would ask someone from Kaineng if they think it is fair and sporting, when all the maps are theirs, that they camp directly outside the door of Godswords Crossroads so anyone stepping through that door is instantly killed? I mean I can agree with camping at the bottom of the steps and even agree with arming the camp to the teeth but setting traps and having six people directly outside the doorway strikes me as cheap and unsportsmanlike. I was so disgusted I almost left WvW at that moment. I will also echo that for the number of “spies” left dead at Gods in order to report on where we were placing defenses. Really now, with that much of a numerical advantage do you have to stoop to such low tactics?

Sporting? Certainly not, but in all fairness I don’t think there’s really anything that’s “Low” about tactics that win and are not “Shady” with following the rules. So long as they aren’t Exploiting I think the Tactics are legit and good. That said though…

No I don’t like it. The reason this is better is it hopefully means Kaineng will be out of T7 by Friday…but if I had it my way, I would give both Servers their BLs for 12 hours. And only after sending a warning of our impending arrival would I lead the attack on each Server. Also…if/when(in all honesty and no offense is intended…when.) the BLs were claimed, I would hold them for several hours, and then relinquish them to start over. Just because I like a challenge. :p

Valenna Tiefling.5806:

Unfortunately, as when DR rocketed up the rankings a couple weeks before, there are a number of people in this thread who seem to have no respect for their situation and just want to relish their victory. Don’t let them get you down, they’ll be gone on Friday hopefully.

Agreed, don’t let anyone get you down. There are some who are simply glad to FINALLY win. You have to remember how long we’ve been in T8 and getting beaten by DR, which I’m sure FC can relate to. I understand that ET and GOM were on top and been beaten over and over until they came down…but Kaineng’s finally going up so please try to understand that. In the same vein, there’s also many who are simply being jerks, and that’s simply because they can.

For any hurt feelings or simply frustrations at the hands of either, I would at least like to apologize. I can’t truly speak on behalf of the Server, no one person can, but at least know that there are MANY of us who regret much of this. I know in some ways I actually -hope- Kaineng suffers a severe beating so that anyone who isn’t truly loyal will leave the Server. I miss the “Family Atmosphere” that Kaineng had for the longest time…it was somewhat insular in that we were suspicious of “outsiders”, but for each other we would fight to the death to try and help each other. I can’t count the number of times since those days I’ve been “Left behind” by groups, allowed to die when it was easily preventable, and just all around treated as “One among many.” I look forward to the “Good ol’ Days”…only hopefully with opponents we are more on equal terms with.

DivineBeing.2086:

Guys, who cares if people get the perception that WM is what made you move up in tiers. Just be grateful you have WM. I know TC could definitely use WM and would welcome them with open arms.

I think most of us are cool with them being here…most of us aren’t trying to push them out or anything. In my personal opinion everyone is welcome…but I’m not -grateful- to have -anyone-. Chaster included, and I like Chaster. They should be grateful to be lucky enough to be on Kaineng. No Guild is so “Great” and “Grand” that I need them to make Kaineng better, the only thing more Guilds will do is move us higher up the Ranks. As for who cares about the Perception?…Those of us who fought with every fiber of our being to keep DR at bay…Those of us who spent hour after hour fighting 5v1 odds and while never truly winning, also never truly losing…We who put everything into getting what we’ve earned care. I get it…some people are proud of rising through the Tiers and reaching Tier 1 or whatever…we’re proud we could put up a better fight than most Tiers above us have against DR despite the number difference. I remember nights in the KBL defending with -three- people…3 of us…and we held. Sure we lost/flipped Camps…but we managed to hold our Towers…our Keeps.

To be fair, while I might have stated I believe there is an alliance, to clarify I didn’t mean the entire Server. Several Guilds were seemingly working together in the NSP BL. While I found it annoying in the extreme, I find it impressive and something to respect rather than be angry about. The reason I say this: There were several times where I was ganked by a group of about 4(without interfering in a Duel…seen that one happen and done it my share.) Where 2 were from AR and 2 from DH, then they’d look at each other and continue along like it was nothing. And even if it isn’t a “True” alliance…earlier DH totally wrecked any chance of us taking Hills back. And judging by the way they retreated it was done purposefully simply to prevent the retaking of Hills rather than to try and come in from behind and steal it.

Again…I don’t really -mind- these even if only “Temporary” alliances, they’re commendable and tactically intelligent at the time…but I’ll be darned if it isn’t annoying as heck.

…1v1 is sPvP uses different rules and mechanics than 1v1 in WvW. You understand a build better facing it using the proper mechanics. Most of the time when I’m doing 1v1s it’s myself and a couple people from my server chilling with a couple people on the other server and taking turns. I use 1v1 in WvW as a method of improving newer player’s skills, and it works very well. It was part of the reason for my original Server Swap, to be able to “Duel” members of the Guild and help them better learn to fight Guardians and Thieves.

If that isn’t what -YOU- do, then that’s cool…but to say that it’s not the purpose of 1v1s is far too all-consuming. I won’t claim everyone does and should use it for improving skills…some people just like to feel superior to others so they 1v1 for the ego-boost. Others 1v1 because they were attacked by 1 other person and just don’t want to die. :p

Reido Kyuuten.4709:

1v1 is for spvp. Nobody should care that you can beat someone with lesser gear and/or food than you.

1v1s improve your individual skill. Win/Lose/Draw it does not matter, what matters is learning from the fight the best possible ways to counter the Profession you are fighting against. Simply being able to last an extra 10 seconds against a Thief can be the difference between winning or losing a group fight.

Dynnen.6405:

Alright TDME, I don’t mind that you wont duel me in the NSP BL. I also don’t mind that I ripped one of your thieves apart in like 3 seconds. Its kinda lame though that multiple of you laugh.
Or maybe you did feel like dueling and thought it was over once I destroyed that thief. I’m gonna go with that and give you guys the benefit of the doubt.

It is worth remembering that not everyone values “Duels” or “Small Group Tactics”. Unfortunately they are as often biased against as zergs are, which I have always found to be silly. Every aspect is needed in Wv3…But just don’t be surprised when people don’t -want- to 1v1 or such…after all, not everyone’s going to be any good. Won’t lie, if I thought I was bad or less skilled in comparison to others, I would probably never duel and always run in groups. Luckily, I love a challenge even though I don’t think I’m “Better” than most people, I know I’m pretty good despite the lag and never using a mouse. :p I can at least hold my own!

TrueNoodles.3850:

Haha yeah I never fear diving in a zerg. Same guy lol.

Love seeing people with this same mindset. :p Only thing funner than diving head first into a zerg is doing so and surviving. While commanding I very quickly learned that PUGs will not charge…unless they see the Commander icon in the middle of the enemy. I always have the expectation of ending up dead, but with the hope of victory for the group. Longer I can keep attention on myself with my full-tank Guardian build, the more likely my allies are to be taking down more enemies. Of course I have the same kind of mindset with small groups too, just for different reasons. There I figure that if I hold the attention of a Zerg my allies can escape or at least kill off some of the enemy. Mainly because as a Tank Build I have very very little “Escape-ability”. XD Once everything’s in CD I’m screwed.

Khanswrath.1032:

I tried to emote ask last night if you are the Eihenjar’s (spl?) from Rift but all I got was a lot of backstabs and a death. Does anyone know if you create your own emote can the enemy see it (never dawned on me that they maybe couldn’t till just now)?

/emotes read as “Devona’s Rest Invader gestures.” to other Servers.

Rob.7624:

I think you and I both know that this means more to us than a bl.

This makes me facepalm…+35 points versus +115 points assuming you aren’t holding Camps. Never understood why -anyone- wanted SM…it’s a Target. I would much rather hold the Keep nearest my WP in DRBL along with the Tower and camp there.

My 3 suggestions:

1st: I actually like free transfers, but right now there is nothing that KEEPS people on servers, no real reason for server loyalty. So to that end rather than doing anything about transfers, I’d like to see some kind of useful bonus or some-such given to people for “Loyalty” to their Server. Would prefer it to be something WvW related simply because WvW is most affected by transfers. Possible suggestions include: After staying on your Server 6 Months you have a personal “WvW Bank” which is kinda like the 2nd group of slots in the Guild Bank. But it’s only available in WvW Maps. Perhaps something more Monetary for example accruing “credit” toward upgrading Towers/Keeps?…Perhaps if you have enough members in a Guild on the Server for Long enough when you “Claim” a spot it starts out as a Tier 1 or Tier 2 Tower/Keep?(This should be based on member size or such.) Another bonus I can think of would be that “Loyalty” increases the Despawn timer for your Siege. Because honestly I can’t tell you how often I get peeved off to find my stuff is despawned because everyone went to sleep.

2nd: I would like to see more benefits for actually defending. Right now the best use of time in WvW is a Karma Train on Camps/Towers with a large group. I see no reason you couldn’t give a similar bonus for standing in a Tower/Camp defending it as you get from taking it. Perhaps based on the 15-minute Timer, for example for “Defending” a location(ie sitting there for a majority of the time…I would maybe say have the bonus be Percentage-based on how long they were in the location during the 15 minutes.) Give people some fun things to do while sitting in a Camp/Tower…Standing around bored out of your mind isn’t good for a game even if it is “Realistic”. Perhaps some silly games or some NPCs you can “Train” against which will give you loot bags/xp/whatever. Basically: Make it as exciting to defend as it is to attack Camps.

3rd: Increase the monetary gain for WvW, it is VERY hard to afford WvW without going and Dungeoning nearly every day. People should not be forced to Dungeon for the money to WvW, everyone has their own things they enjoy.

Junkhaus.4301:

Last week’s match, just after reset, someone from AR proposed a server alliance with NSP against DR. It was on the first page of last week’s wvw thread. Anyone else remember that or am I making this up?

Totally making it up. :p But nah, I remember it too. DR seemed to be up for the challenge judging by their responses to the suggestion!

Rob.7624:

DR should be fighting both servers at the same time, and both servers should be looking up at first place and thinking, “you know, we could probably take that”.

But unfortunately what AR are thinking is, “You know, lets just come second”.
And that is the simple truth of it. A leading server this size with this numbers really does need a double team to take it out, and after that double time is over. Whichever server has contributed most to the team has the most end points. Hence it was superior, and the other helping server should sit back and say, “well fought lad. We sure showed those other guys what we can do.”

Its a real shame that this has no crossed Anvil Rocks Commanders minds. As with NSP’s population on the decline they could have probably snapped up first place and us a close second.
Now DR here might say, “Oh no no no, don’t do that. Go on AR, attack NSP borderland again. Go on, we will leave yours alone and just take EB and our own bl meaning we have nearly triple your points. I mean er.. Shush”.

Its just disappointing that there was a lack of communication between AR and NSP. Whether that was due with our initial beating AR and GoM I don’t know. But it is sad.

Earlier today AR had been avoiding our BL with the exception of Randoms every now and then. Then out of nowhere a Zerg pops up and I look at the map…what do I see? A bunch of Blue in their BL while DRBL was completely green. It isn’t just AR is basically what I’m saying, so painting them with a single brush is kinda bad form man. Should both servers be hitting DR? Certainly. But they’ve both got issues of splitting focus to each other.

Oozo.7856:

Maybe some of the people who are more familiar with the system can comment on this one. Does DR benefit more by having a bigger point spread versus NSP than against AR since NSP was the green server at one time. I think your rating also depends on past performance of the servers you are facing.

If so, it would make sense for DR to go after NSP more than AR. Correct me if I’m wrong (which I may very well be).

You are correct. Honestly, the fact AR is constantly attacking NSP and NSP is constantly attacking AR(Because it’s both ways, not just one. I’ve seen NSP provoke AR by taking stuff in their BL when DR still had most of their own.) works in DR’s best interests. Tactically…it is the best possible scenario for you. DR has little reason to attack AR at all right now, it doesn’t help that I think NSP has a slightly better population in Wv3.

In all honesty…you guys are playing it exactly how I would. Very nicely done and all that.

osif.8673:

Lolercopter. Then I guess you just take all the credit of what other people do for you? Here you go making up things again, like I’ve never handled siege before and such. I think I’d rather not list off my resume though like you keep doing to prove yourself to everyone.
As far as the burger eaters are concerned, I think most people will agree with PvDoor is easier than the PvP aspect of Wv3. But hey, if that’s what they enjoy, all the power to them! We all need them.

Yes, I do take all the credit. I was the one who sat there for 2 hours upgrading and maintaining the Siege alone. I was the one who called out the alarm and directed people to man which siege and attack where. So yes. I take the credit, because without me it never would’ve happened.

I have yet to list my resume, but you’re the one who keeps saying my opinions and suggestions aren’t worth listening to. I was simply explaining why I feel my opinions are valid which is they are based on experience. Regardless, I’m done with you. You are a prime example of the people that make this Server weaker than it otherwise could be, you argue and protest any thought that there’s anything wrong without ever even -considering- another possibility.

Thank-you for your time, but since you have yet to add even a counter-argument to ANYTHING I’ve suggested/said, I do not believe I will respond to further prodding. So Good-bye.

osif.8673:

Our posts may have “smart-alec” insinuations and feel to them, but we make valid points. Your criticism isn’t very constructive and you try to save face on your insults with “I don’t mean any offense.” You stroke your kitten with absurd claims of single-handedly fighting of zergs by yourself with your siege. There’s a reason why there are multiple people replying to your posts.

Thus far the only thing I’ve gotten from any PAXA post is “You don’t know nothing and you insult us because you aren’t here to see what’s going on!” Which is quite simply and utterly wrong. As far as the Zergs, I never once claimed to do it alone. I SET EVERYTHING UP alone, and have managed to convince a few others to do so as well. But it requires at least a group of 5 in order to succeed against a large organized Zerg. Once the people were given direction and had everything ready for them they did wonderfully…But when I tried just having the Supply there, I found a distinct lack of people who would actually grab supply and build. When I participated in attacks I noticed even AFTER we had just sacked a Supply Camp and left it with still having 50+ Supply and the Commander said “Get supply!” they had no Supply. When in the NSP BL people would never call out when they were getting attacked, or the status of Gates that were being attacked. People let Towers and Keeps get taken without ever saying a single thing in Map Chat. Then the Commander would show up in the BL and all of a sudden everyone was just -there-. They flocked to the blue icon and followed until the Commander left…then would just spread out and be silly once more.

These are problems that can be fixed, the main source of nearly every problem in NSP comes down to “People not reading the Chat.” aka Communication. I do run in 5-man squads, I run solo to scout, I put on Commander Tag for Zerging(rarely…I hate zerging). Most often I simply take a defensive post because so few people are ever willing to do that job. You consider the job of Siege individuals “easy”, now THAT is insulting considering it is not easy to turn a Treb and manage to hit all the enemy’s trebs before yours is destroyed. You have to figure out the distances as quickly as possible or lose your Siege, you have to watch for attacks constantly and be alert at all times.

As for me being a “Burger Eater” or whatever you called it…I do everything because I like to know and understand every aspect of this game. It’s the exact same thought process of playing every single profession to understand their skills and utilities. By the sounds of it…you haven’t done that. Until you have I suggest at least showing some respect for every single person in WvW, because even those people in there just for Map Completion help you, even those people serve a purpose.

osif.8673:

You should really take your own advice and stop before hitting the “submit” button. Or you can keep posting for my personal entertainment. Either option works for me.

I will continue posting, and you can continue taking suggestions on how to improve as insults. I will continue trying to help your Server out regardless…but I’ll be gone shortly, and you’ll still be here. Of the two of us, I’d rather you be working on improving your Server.

Drednyte.7601:

Mate you do realized you threw out some DR hateraid there based on comments from a troll thats not even in this tier group! DR didnt state that, it was a troll from Kaineng who fled the server cuz it was losing, came to NSP, bashed you guys all up and down in the forums, and now is running off to AR on reset cuz he’s burned the bridges on NSP.

1st: Not trolling when I’m offering constructive criticism. If anything your post and that of the persons you responded to are Troll posts. -.- I submitted an event I witnessed as support to my claims showing their validity.

2nd: …Not in this Tier? You say right after that I’m on NSP, so make up your mind please.

3rd: Fled from Kaineng? We were winning with +600 points when I left, I do not enjoy 1-sided fights and I saw that last week was kinda close so I came to check it out. But please…continue stating bold-faced lies and looking foolish, I enjoy it.

4th: Burned bridges?…Forum posters from PAXA being smart-alecs are FAR from anything close to something to judge what “Bridge” someone does/does not have. I have made several friends on this Server, and hope they DO put up a fight against Kaineng. While I love my Server, all those people who abandoned us while we were fighting DR aggravate me so enjoy the thought of them getting beat up.

5th: I have yet to “Bash” anyone. The closest thing I came to was with Bsty, but that’s not even really a bash, they simply haven’t evolved whereas all the other DR Guilds seem to have done so.

In closing: You need to stop before hitting “Submit”, read over what you’re typing, consider whether it might make you look foolish, then after determining that just delete the post. Would be much better for the DR image.

Npac.3476:

To the admirable wolf of the storm..

Point D. When saying you are from Kaineng most people would assume that you are there…not moonlighting on NSP. Furthermore, most people would believe that “having server loyalty in spades” would consist of you fighting on that server, not defending a tower on a different one ( or transferring to different one…anvil rock…next week). That to us would be like hitting your server in the face with a spade.

Except in coming here and scouting things out to figure out how others fight, I can be more prepared to defend or attack them. It’s much more useful than being 1 of 50 in a Zerg holding nearly everything in every BL. I have Server loyalty, it’s why I call it home…but I also like a good fight. I play WvW because I like competition, not so that I can utterly crush everyone and everything around me.

Npac.3476:

Thank you for your thoughts and critique…PAXA takes these things very seriously. In fact, I can personally assure you we will consider your suggestions and do our very best not to write you off/laugh at your superior “advice”.

That being said, here is something from us that we believe you might do well to think about.. When giving advice about how a server should play/what flaws that server might have you probably should A) play on that server or be facing that server or even C) show some loyalty to the server you currently reside on. We feel this way because, seeing that you aren’t on our server, fighting us, or even staying on the server you are currently on, we are having some real difficulty identifying even a shred of credibility concerning what you say.

Now that really is just our opinion and, as you have been so vocal sharing your opinions, we would really appreciate it if you considered ours as well.

Thanks!

…Now there’s more proof of the lack of “Listening”. Please go back and re-read all of my posts? You will very shortly learn I HAVE been on your Server. I was the one holding and upgrading Dawn’s. I was the one who defended while everyone else completely abandoned the BL literally letting DR take back Garri and other Upgraded buildings -COMPLETELY- uncontested. I’m also the one who’s thrown down numerous Trebs, Catas, ACs, Ballistas….and led the few BL Defenders into crushing DR Zergs. You can ask DR about their 50+ man zerg that came to Dawn’s yesterday…it was an exciting battle which we won…because my Siege was already in place and I was sitting in the Tower alone ensuring the Siege didn’t despawn.

I have been on NSP since Friday, and in your BL I was the first person to actually spend the money and effort to upgrade ANY building/camp. As far as Server loyalty, I have that in spades, I am a Kaineng and will call it my “Home Server” always. I moved because I dislike fighting in 1-sided fights and everyone on the Forums were saying “Higher Tiers are totally different!” so wanted to come see what Kaineng would be facing.

Themanbat.3206:

Ya, only about 20% (if that) of your server actually qualify as having a long rivalry with us. The rest were either too scared to come out to wvw until now or not even on your server.

So true. -.-

Npac.3476:

Correction: that is a hillarious analogy.

Meh, you’ve already made up your minds so obviously trying to simply converse is out of the question. I hope for the best for NSP, several Guilds on here I really like and have seen great things from. I’ll probably be headed to AR for next week’s matchup, good luck to you guys against Kaineng if you do face them. Kick their behinds!

osif.8673:

I like how you keep on insulting people/servers/guilds and then go on to say “oh, but I don’t mean any offense.” I’m going to start using that. I think I might walk up to a girl sometime and say, “Hey, you’re really fat. But I’m not trying to be offensive, just stating my opinion. Fatty.” I think she might take it pretty well.

That’s a horrible analogy. Much better would be “Yes that dress makes your butt look big, but if you change into a different dress like this one it would accentuate everything perfectly!” You’re taking criticism and observation of what you’re lacking as insults, which will only prevent you from improving rather than considering what I’ve said and looking at ways to improve. You’re really only proving my point about NSP having a problem with people who don’t listen.

I get it, I really do, you want to think your Server would be better and win if you had equal numbers to DR, but I disagree. It isn’t that I think you never could, just that as-is NSP is lacking in communication. There are only 2 “Effective” tactics I’ve seen from NSP since I’ve been on here, the smaller groups doing Ninja-moves, taking things before the enemy can respond…and Zerging to the point where you outnumber them ridiculously.

I’ll use an example: Just a little while ago NSP attacked DRBL, they did great and took DR’s Garri and Bay. Meanwhile DR was preparing Hills for the attack and built up it’s defenses so when you got there the zerg was beaten. That’s all right, it happens…but then DR split into several groups…one retook Bay, one retook Garri, and the third held off your return attack, not with the intention of beating you, just to keep you busy until both other groups finished re-taking the Keeps and returned.

End result: A wipe and lost everything in DRBL.

Why? Because DR used superior tactics and communication, they were able to utilize both small-unit groups and large-unit groups. NSP is not BAD….DR is simply better at this moment. Now stop taking it as an insult and maybe look for ways to improve Server unity/usefulness, utilize all of your Guilds and strengths to their utmost.

Npac.3476:

What guild are you in Storm? If NSP is going down at the end of the week PAXA needs a new guild to hunt.

KAIN, feel free. I’m sure they’ll enjoy the loot bags. Kind of you to offer a delivery service!

Still trying to figure out why/if you’re offended over what I said…It seems fairly common of folks to respond to critique and such with responses that do not help anyone. I’ve done nothing but fight on behalf of NSP since I joined the Server(same as I did on ET despite then being against Kaineng), when I try to help I get told off. When I point out defense IS possible people disregard me, so I prove it by Sieging up and holding Dawn’s against numerous Zergs, AR and DR both. It’s the only building we presently own that hasn’t been lost in the last 24+ hours.

NSP is good, but can be so much better. That isn’t meant offensively and it shouldn’t be taken offensively. Do I believe DR Server is better? Yes…that’s because they’re more organized, they communicate better and work together better. The way to improve isn’t to turn on those trying to help, it’s to work with each other, accept any and all help offered and appreciate it.

I wish everyone would stop making such all-consuming accusations about each other in here…A few observational notes from an outside PoV since I’m simply here scouting T6 for Kaineng:

1) DR IS bigger than both AR and NSP, denying this is absurd and deserving of recriminations as it is painfully obvious from watching.

2) DR also has many skilled Players, that includes PRO, GASM, Bsty, etc…some more skilled at actually winning/helping the Server than others.

3) NSP is sadly lacking in communication skills, I personally do not believe that even if they had equal numbers to DR they would win. The fight would be -better-, but I still give the edge to DR due to them actually working as a unit.

4) AR and NSP are falling into the annoying cycle of attacking each other while ignoring the monster in the middle. If 2nd and 3rd place would stop attacking each other and start fighting against DR then they would both do much much better. (Neither side can claim innocence, I’ve seen lots of red in NSP BL and lots of blue in ARBL.)

5) Being a part of a Server allows you a lot of surprising insight! I’ve gotta say that NSP’s greatest strength is actually several small groups of Ninjas who take keeps and such. Won’t mention Guild names since it seems they’re still unknown to DR or others, but I will suggest DR be more careful! These Ninja are VERY good.

Dhampyr.2104:

Looking forward to the matchup, should be a good one I think. I’m predicting a different finish though – we’ll see if my predictions on the battlefield pan out as well as my predictions on the server Tier moves (predicted DR’s move to T5 a week ago!). Ha, I should start reading palms for cash.

Sorry about offtopic a little, but it’s New Year’s and wanted to wish the three servers a good one from little T8 (soon to be T7) Kain!

I mean no offense whatsoever…I like NSP, hanging out here atm! However, don’t get your hopes up too high. Bird Song is more than a little optimistic at NSP’s chances against Kaineng, unfortunately I’m of the opinion it will be another week like this one for NSP where their BL is pretty much all someone else’s color. I would RATHER it was a close fight, I love those! But…that’s not how I’m predicting things will go based on what I’ve seen while Server-Hopping.

NSP: Whatever happens, I hope for the best for you, don’t get demoralized if Kaineng does stomp you, just remember that numbers will always win the match, but strategy wins the fights.

TrueNoodles.3850:

Whatsgood NSP?!

…Wow…Bragging about Spawn camping. Epicly not-cool.

Edit: Saw your edit…more acceptable now. :p Gotta remember sarcasm/joking doesn’t translate well over the Nets! As far as smack talk…I honestly wasn’t intending to do that with anyone, I well and truly enjoy fights that are extremely difficult.

Bah! Darn you DR! Unfortunately for me, but luckily for you, there’s a lot of new players in WvW now! XD I asked for Trebs and told them I’d place them…so what happens?…2 Trebs that can’t hit anything get tossed down. From there I knew it was lost…Kinda sad too, no way you shoulda taken it. Ah well! It was a fun battle, nice and long with lots of frustration and lessons for the NSP folks.

You would not believe the number of new players here…I’m surprised because I met so many on ET too. I imagine the new people influx is probably from Christmas?…It makes a good gift I suppose!

Oh yes…that’s me. -.- You have me totally figured out. Oh noes.

I never once said Bsty was not good, quite the opposite. What I was looking for was -improvement- on what they already do, and in that regard Bsty is the only one of the 3 I haven’t seen anything new from. I’m glad you define my skills without seeing them in action at all, but if you’re curious about my 1v1, meh…I’m moderate and know it. I can stay alive against nearly anyone, but suck at actually killing them. What I’m good at is tactics and Siege use/preparation.

As far as PRO…I have seen them as PART of Zergs often, but just as often they’re in 5-6 man groups capping camps. And they have improved their individual skills dramatically from what it used to be. Thus why I’m improved…they use Tactics, individual strength, the “Ganking” that Bsty does, Ninja-ing, Zerging, PRO literally does it all. This is why they earned my respect.

Gasm, as I said I haven’t seen -as- much, but I think they’ve improved from what I’ve seen as well. They have had a few new tricks, I believe they may be recruiting as well as I ran into a number of newer ones.(Or lowbies of existing members is possible too.)

Bsty is the only one that’s the -exact- same as they were when I last fought them. They haven’t really seemed to have grown or anything as the others have. When I first met Bsty they were the Guild in DR I most respected due to their Skills…but Skills alone don’t win WvW.

That said…Hope you enjoyed that Treb on Dawn’s taking out both your Trebs on Garri Supply RIGHT before you could take the wall down. :p Yup…that was me.

Well, I hope everyone enjoyed Dawn’s today while NSP held it? :p You can thank Kaineng for the many dead Golems, ballista, rams, etc. etc. that were smashing their heads against my Tower. Sorry I couldn’t be there when it was finally taken…but I unfortunately wiped all the zergs that came at it while I was on. Will try again tomorrow! I enjoyed how having it there meant the Garri would never be lost for long in particular…we’d lose it, the wall would fall, we’d get it back. Lose it, wall would fall, get it back…

Anywho, good fights everyone! I enjoyed them immensely, though I will profess it feels better winning than losing fights. XD

DR, I’ve gotta say guys, I came here to take a look at the Tier for when Kaineng finally arrives, was expecting very little from you…But here goes.
Pro: Seriously. You guys have CONSIDERABLY upped your game, very awesome and I’m happy to see you guys getting so much better. I won’t lie, I considered a number of you guys scrubs while we were fighting you, yeah…would be an idiot if I still did. You guys have done magnificently every time I’ve seen you while on NSP.
GASM: I haven’t seen you guys as much. Sorry…but from what I HAVE seen I’ve gotta say you’ve kinda impressed me as well.
Bsty: …ironic, but probably least impressed with you guys considering I though most highly of you, not meant offensively, you guys use a smart “Gank” tactic and do it well. But honestly…you’re still 1-trick ponies and not really something I find intimidating at all.
Would name others, but honestly those are three I know/knew best…I was going to mention APEX, but they don’t seem to exist at all anymore from what I’ve seen?…Or maybe they only mix in with the zergs so I haven’t seen them? Whatever, all around I’m impressed with DR, you guys HAVE come a long way but I do have to warn you, a lot of your population still counts on the “Numbers Advantage”…I think Kaineng outnumbers you now based on what I saw while I was on ET vs. what I’m seeing now. However, you keep mentioning your lack of a “Night Crew”…so far I’ve seen rather large numbers at night, but it -is- the weekend technically still, so that’s probably part of it. Will get back to you further into the week.

Anywho: Glad to see lots of fun fights, looking forward to seeing Kaineng here.

Littlefeather.8623:

The last one was deleted for some reason.

I’d like to say I have enjoyed this match up somewhat, even though sometimes Ferg is greatly out numbered. I came from Darkhaven kind of temporary and I have a lot to teach yall fergies I have fought against servers such as CD/FA/YB and the very Tactical Maguuma’s, but numbers mean nothing to well placed siege.

Supplies !

Can not do anything without them, need them at all times. If I can hold Ogrewatch for almost 8 hours on reset night against T3-T4 server zergs with 3-9 people that goes to show numbers mean nothing to good strategies. Kaineng is impressive with their numbers for this tier no doubt, but I have seen a lot worse. So ET and Ferg, shake it off, both of you are doing outstanding jobs for this tier. Just short on numbers atm.

This, this, this, for the love of all that’s holy THIS. I’ve been on ET for a week now and I’m trying to help…But for some reason no one believes me when I tell them ET CAN beat Kaineng’s zergs. And once you beat them back, they’ll look for a fight elsewhere allowing you the opportunity to build yourself up again. To try and prove my point, I held Cliffside with 2 other people…against a 20+ Zerg from Kaineng. We saw a camp to the North go down so I setup 1 Ballista and 2 ACs. The Ballista was used to take out all the siege as it was being built so that they couldn’t counter our Siege or start their own, the ACs placed to get at build locations and “Group up” spots.

Kaineng Zerg wkittentered after about an hour of fighting. They left in smaller groups and looked like beaten dogs while retreating. Not every fight will end that well, I am fully willing to admit this, but ET people need to not give up hope…you CAN win fights, you will never beat Kaineng in “Points” because you simply don’t have the manpower, but that’s NO reason to sit back and let them steamroll you.

Funny note: Myself and Darxio had fun afterwards teasing a group of 6-10 Kainengs by poisoning them nonstop. :p Neither of us used anything but Poison and Utilities. XD Was soooo funny. Chased them all the way back to Garri before they rallied and slowly pushed the two of us back to Cliff. We debated for about 10 minutes whether to kill the Kainengs with Siege or not…eventually decided we were tired and wanted to sleep anyway.

Issue: I spent 20 Gold to buy Tier 3 Charr Shoulderpads, and they always revert to the “Black” or whatever the base color is that they are. I cannot change the Dye color to “Gold”, which is NOT cool.

Race: Charr
Sex: Male
Class: Guardian(Heavy Armor)

Every time I have changed the color to Gold it shows the proper color in it’s “Preview”, but it always reverts to the weird blackish color. Most other colors seem to work just fine, only one I have personally had issues with is Gold.

Dhampyr.2104:

Blame ET for that one. LOL For the most part, we were content just sparring in our borderlands for the night outside Bluevale – and then a nice sized ET zerg comes along and knocks on the door of our garrison. They came really close to taking it, too. We ended up rallying just about everyone on all four maps, and then that angry swarm of bees went to EB and FC BL afterward.

Just as a note, that Zerg actually started in our BL. >.> Ran through everything in the north, took Vale, and then from Vale everyone ported to EB. In EB our Zerg grew to the size you saw, only to get crushed at Anz by superior numbers of Kaineng. -.- The Zerg got back together, received bad intel that the Kaineng Zerg had been mostly wiped so headed for Anz only to get wiped again. It was -then- that they decided to hit Kaineng BL. So yeah…you can blame yourselves for that. :p

zazu.2836:

War MAchine transfered to Kain, so the other two will get dominated in oceanic times. Sad to see really, having two other servers get demoralized this badly…

The demoralizing factor isn’t the Guilds…it’s that Kaineng owns -everything- for the -entire week- and -STILL- won’t go up a Tier.(Yes, there were times when the other two Servers held things, but I think everyone’s willing to admit that was VERY rare, and never held for long.)

osif.8673:

I’ll admit, you weren’t half bad for a being one of the most underplayed, hardest classes to play as.

The irony of this said from a Mesmer is not lost on me! Nice!

lwkipp.7038:

I saw a post about War Machine coming to Kaineng to “train”. Not certain what they thought they were going to train against? A couple of under populated servers?

As far as i can tell, what they have learned is “The Zerg”, I’m sure it is some sort of dance, and can only imagine that you know that you are doing it right if you come away with sore toes from everyone stepping on them..

Gratz on the brilliant move War Machine.

Anyway, been having some epic battles, thanks for coming. Won’t miss you too much in the next cycle (as I read you were going back to whichever server you came from).

Happy Holidays.

Please read the whole post next time. They are transferring for personal Guild Reasons, they chose Kaineng because -in the past- they came here to train. For example…When DR was here.

Arcadio.6875:

Don’t get overconfident. WvW is an unbalanced game as it relies on population. You can go from destroying one tier to getting crushed in the tier above it. I really doubt you guys would beat DR if you were to have a rematch next week.

As someone who fought against DR for quite awhile, and swapped Servers to hang out on ET, I can say that I actually hugely disagree with this. For week after week we managed to put up an enormous fight against DR, and it was with pitiful numbers. When DR left, apparently -everyone- came out of the woodworks to play WvW, our numbers were growing at an absurd rate. At this point, with the addition of WM, I would honestly say Kaineng has a nearly(if not) 24/7 presence in a -minimum- of 2 BLs. I would also add that I do think Kaineng may well have more people now than DR active in WvW….a number of times there have been 40+ Zergs in 3 BLs at the same time. Now I don’t know exactly how big the T1 Servers are/were, but I KNOW how big DR is/was. I am predicting that with the addition of WM, Kaineng is at -least- a Tier 3 Server now. Possibly more. Based solely on numbers and how I’ve seen DR doing thus far.

Darek.1836:

The people of FC have long realized that defending doesn’t matter against the zerg servers, that’s why they don’t want to defend with you.

Just as a note…DR often commented on how they HATED FC because of their incredible defense. FCBL was -always- fully upgraded, and was a nightmare for them to get into. So saying that FC doesn’t defend is kinda silly. >.>

omnislakitten106:

With more xfers coming, we’ll have to wait until our scores balance out, right now kaineng outnumbers both servers. Until then, we’ll see how far we go. Hopefully we can challenge our beloved devonas rest

…Kaineng outnumbers both Servers combined multiplied by 5 now.

Glad someone finds it funny…I’m on ET right now just because it was Holiday and wanted to basically say “Hello” and help out a bit against our ginormous Zergs…There isn’t a moment to breathe for any of them. In all seriousness, Kaineng has more active people in WvW now than DR ever did while fighting us. And with bloody near 24/7 Coverage.

Kaineng will rip through the Tiers, and probably send many many people away from WvW forever. Just being here in ET I’ve seen so many brand new players because it’s a very empty server so lots have chosen to join it for their first. Those people are being introduced to WvW with 20v1 numbers. This will seriously just keep pushing people -away- from playing in WvW.

:p It’s been fun being on ET and smacking around my fellow Kainites. Being on the other side, I do think a lot of us need to work on individual skill though…but one problem is definitely the number of under-levels. The one other thing I’ve noticed while hanging out on ET is how absurdly rude a lot of Kainites are being, and how pompously inappropriate. In the time I’ve been here on ET there’ve been -numerous- times where there is -NO ONE- in LA, where Kaineng outnumbers us 10 to 1 and we have -everyone- from -every map- there to fight them. You aren’t superior, you aren’t “Better” than them, you’re more numerous. I know not everyone is acting the same way, and not everyone is acting inappropriately, but laughing or dancing on the dead bodies of people you outnumber like 5 or 10 to 1 while they managed to -hold and kill- most of your people is just disgraceful.

I would like to ask any of our Commanders, PUGs, anyone who reads this to watch for those people who are acting like twits and speak up. No more bragging about beating them, no more dancing on dead bodies, just remember who and what we are. We are Kaineng. We are awesome. And most importantly, we are good people. The opinions of Kaineng folks on ET are -horrid- at the moment because of how people are treating them, and I personally believe that it’s an earned disgust just from what I’ve seen on ET the last few days.

Note: I will be returning to Kaineng eventually, just server hopping until Kaineng’s out of Tier 8.

Dovgan.8605:

Oh Devona I have already had to report two of your players today for hacking(well botting, it’s my only option), is this how you have decided to come up in the ranks. Tell the norn warrior in AoD that warriors don’t have a teleport. I have to say, I am really disappointed, and on Christmas Eve no less. (No it’s not lag, been doing Wv3 for over 1000 hours now, pretty sure I recognize a hack when I see it by now.) Santa isn’t going to bring you any presents if you keep this kind of behavior up.

…I find this kind of general statement to a whole Server absurdly silly when every single solitary Server has “Hackers” and “Cheaters” on them. Blaming a whole Server for the actions of half a dozen people is just crazy. Please from now on try refraining from such commentary as it is not helpful, but rather inform the DR people of those causing the problems by providing any intel you can. I have found DR is quite good at -refusing- Portals if they know the person Cheated. Witnessed them do so and actively point out Wall-Jumpers for me to kill before.

There is no “Case”…I’m pretty sure everyone sees it’s obvious by now. The part that annoys me is I’ve been enjoying watching the T7 Match-up…and judging by what DR said last week, I’m afraid it’s gonna be unbalanced -AGAIN-. I -hate- imbalanced matches, they’re no fun for either party. All in all…I’m not really looking forward to WvW at all right now.

Note: I actually transferred to ET for the week to hang out with them and have fun instead of sitting in a Zerg constantly swarming. It was incredibly fun, the Griffon Revolution Army was formed and claimed multiple Keeps/Towers.

Judging by what others in your Server have said, you have a bit of a temper and may well have said things you didn’t mean at the time. I suggest at least telling your Server-companions to wait before declaring judgement of “Horrible People” until you get the answers you want. I kinda am annoyed though, they should have sent you a Message in the Forums explaining why you were banned. -.- And by that I DON’T mean just “You say bad words!”

Or…and this is a crazy thought…you can accept that you are responsible for your actions and deal with the consequences of your choices. It is not someone else’s fault that they chose to report you for inappropriate language, it was your choice to spend the time and effort to type the words. A “Filter” is a preventative measure, but it is only one level of prevention, if they banned you it is because they felt your language was against the TOS. You signed it, it is YOUR responsibility to follow it. (As a note: It’s generally wise to remember being offensive or threatening or such to other players IS against TOS, I myself yell in Vent to vent my frustrations. :p )