Guild Wars 2

…Funny note, I saw a 100 man Zerg twice. ET managed it…considering ET’s ridiculously low numbers I was EXTREMELY impressed. Unfortunately they then got outnumbered by a counter-zerg by Kaineng. Was one of the Server’s first fights on the way up…And still of the opinion one of the best.(Unfortunately the duration of ET’s numbers was very low…the issue always comes back to coverage as much, or more, than numbers.)

Never understood why the WP is contested like it is…why not just have Outer Gate being hit make the Keep Contested, but Inner Keep cause WP to be Contested. Makes more sense to me.

Rob.7624:

So you were an NSP player who left to Kaineng? Or just visiting for the week?

Kaineng visiting to see the upcoming competition and know how best to fight you. I am a Tactician first, Combatant second. There is nothing more important than accurate intel on an enemy.

You might remember me as “That annoying guy Phill tried getting to join Meow because he kept harassing Phill.” ONLY reason I didn’t join is I felt it would be unfair since I was going to eventually leave.

Rob.7624:

There we’re scouts on NSP from guilds that went to Kaineng and others.
But I’m sure the NSP community gave them hell.
Our dudes can’t even be nice to their own Commanders, never mind people coming in.

Not gonna lie Rob…without Meow Guild I would’ve bailed on NSP without helping at all in WvW. Was you guys and SOUL that kept me around and you guys were the reason I actually defended what I did and upgraded what I did while I was there. I remember being treated like garbage at the first suggestion in Map chat that we can hold and defend what we had in NSPBL vs. DR. You guys had the population and capability to fight DR…but most of your population lacked the will or drive.

Note: I’m seriously NOT trying to be mean…I saw more passion in shouting down my absurd idea of holding off DR than I did in actually fighting them.(Later on TOA I think is the Guild?…They also kept me around a bit. NSP has some awesome Guilds…but a horrible general populace as far as ‘welcoming’.)

Also to be fair: We didn’t initially welcome the Guilds either. I think the main difference was…we made it very clear we intend to fight our way as high as we can and don’t want hanger’s on. Not because we want to be higher tier…but because we want better fights. I would wager 75%+ of Kaineng doesn’t care one bit what our “Ranking” is…only that we have enemies to fight and places to defend.

-.- And so it begins…again. The Guilds that initially joined us did so in a manner anyone would find respectable. They sent a couple scouts who came to Kaineng and chatted us up, they asked our opinions and wanted to basically make sure they would fit. I know 100% that Kaineng was not the only one to get these Scouts. However, in the end they decided Kaineng fit them best. To think they did this for the easy fights rather than for the atmosphere of the Server is kinda foolish. For those who bail when we lose?…Yes…they were probably here for easy fights. But I think many people will be surprised at how few of the “Primary Transfer Guilds” will bail on us. Not gonna claim no one will leave…there’s bound to be those who will. But our Server has become even more united and strong BECAUSE of them. They brought a level of organization that I appreciate and enjoy…

There is only 2 things I would change if I could:

1) Not having to go up through the ranks 1 by 1. Kaineng has grown each Tier and I think THOSE people are “Bandwagoner Fairweathers” who I would rather not(in general! Meaning not necessarily all of them!) have on the Server.
2) No Queues.

transtemporal.2158:

But don’t be surprised if you take flak when you try to sell something that everyone else is contributing for free.

This expectation is the selfish and greedy one. Not yours…so long as there’s some form of discount you are still contributing.

Nilgoow.1037:

“We didn’t know that getting into an enemy citadel and killing afk players was considered an exploit.”

…More accurate:

“We didn’t know we were invulnerable to any form of attack/damage so even if we were afk they couldn’t kill us.” Seriously people…there’s a reason when you’re being spawn camped you go to the Invuln Spots. IT’S BECAUSE YOU CAN’T BE HURT.

So while getting into your Citadel can be seen as annoying, it’s little more than a nuisance and free loot bags.

I have spent nearly 100 Gold on Upgrades and Siege over the last month. I was given my Commander Tome by a friend who enjoyed when I commanded and thought it would be better for the Server if I wore the icon. I have thrown down absurd numbers of ACs, Ballista, Catas, Trebs and Rams…I have also donated ridiculous amounts of items/things to my Guild’s bank. When I see someone else doing this, I am thankful. But I do not believe it is right or appropriate or anything to assume all people should be doing the same thing. Siege is something you earn, how you use ANYTHING you earn is up to you. Will you be more respected for giving it freely? Certainly…People who donate to Charity are often more respected than those who don’t. But by charging a discounted rate, you are doing nothing wrong beyond saving people Silver that is going to a Player instead of an NPC and thus likely going to help the Server indirectly anyway.

Mad Flare.1872:

I’d like to make a suggestion about set a minimum damage threshold to gate of keeps. It’s a tactic to disabling way point by damaging the gate of keep, but just a single hit from any player can cause this, and it’s getting abused.
If anyone or group wanna disrupt keep’s way point of opposing server, it’s better be more than 1 hit or couple hits before it gets contested and disabled.

It’s not really being “Abused” if it’s intentionally part of the system.

earendil.1290:

AT about 18h EST today something happened in the TC BL.

I was a sylvari mesmer (with TA shoulders) manning a balista near the south wall of Bay. I got downed by a TC D/D ele in front of the vale supply camp when my computer crashed which could absolutely look like an AltF4. I want to assure our new friends on TC I never did this on purpose and find AltF4 despicable behavior (like most SBIers). The ele in question – please contact me in game (Idril Sylverfoot- when I manage to log again ) to find a way to compensate for the loss of your kill.

Thx for your comprehension and apologies again.

While I agree with the person saying this is incredibly honorable, it’s also not needed. :p Remember there’s a patch in place that makes any DC count as a “Death” if you were in combat. So that person DID get credit for the kill already…and a loot bag if one dropped.

…Why not have the Dragon Event be at Reset?…Have the Dragon “Control” Stonemist with NPC “Dragon” defenders. Free for all to wrest control from the Dragons.(The “how” to take control away could be awesome on it’s own.)

Loran Warmaster.1026:

Without the transfers; 1. You would still be in T8 and 2. You would not have better then 4x the combined score of two other worlds. I think everyone did a good job in WvWvW but you can’t hide the imbalance with “It would have happened anyway” 50k point spread, sure I would believe that. But look at the score and it speaks for itself.

The week before the Transfers started coming over Kaineng had 200k points more than Ferg who was in 2nd place, more than both Ferg and ET combined. What it a -total- shutout?…No. But that was primarily because weak NA coverage. The primary reason those Transfers increased Kaineng strength wasn’t due to numbers, but Timezone Coverage. Until T3+, I doubt ANYONE could compare to Kaineng’s “Night” aka “Asian” coverage. SOS alone provided that coverage that would have ridiculously overpowered pretty much anyone in the low tiers. Tactics would have been vastly different though, as during the day Kaineng would’ve been completely defensive while they took everything at night.

Draygo.9473:

probably same reason, because BoH is an item your creating issues if someones inventory is full when they attain a badge. Though I’m sure some of us wouldn’t mind the consequence.

Ideally BoH should be a currency like Karma, Coin, and Gems and not take up inventory space at all. And be account level like Gems. If it was like that then they could award the BoH on kill without worrying about edge cases, but it probably takes far more time to develop a system like that.

Apologies, my bad for not stating it very well…but that was kinda what I was meaning. They should be something that you never have to have “Stacks” of…it’s a currency, should be treated like one.

Habib Loew.6239:

Stuff about loot.

Just a note: Why do Badges and “Loot” have to be done the same way? Rather than having a -chance- to get Badges from Drops/JPs, why not make it a certainty based on Kills and completed JPs? Keep “Loot” as it is, just separate Badges of Honor from the equation as THAT is more often what people are upset at missing.

Baen.7591:

Anvil Rock Morale is kinda stick in stone. We as a server have only won twice since the beginning. Just about everyone on the server is loyal to the end.

My proudest moment was when the “Original Kaineng” people managed to come within 20k points of winning a week versus DR.

XD

In all seriousness though…Already loving you guys, thus far you’re doing very little “QQ” and mostly just trying to stand against the horde. Want to wish both of you the best and hope you smack down many Kainengs and earn lots of badges! (Just remember, always give with take…I want badges too!)

Nuzt.7894:

I really hope Kain’s not stuck here for another week, fact of the matter is, it may not be Kains fault, and they may not be able to help that they recieved transfers but it is destroying (I would ventures to say thousands not hundreds) of peoples fun. You need to remember T8 went through what 2-3 weeks of owning nothing ? GoM & HoD, now AR & NSP. This is not meant as an insult to Kain but I am extremely dissapointed in Anets for letting these kind of situations happen.

I will continue to fight, just because I WvW exclusively, I just hope Anet does something sooner rather then later.

It doesn’t help…but for what it is worth I understand completely. I know how bad it sucks, and honestly…worse than anything is how horrible it is to the Server Morale, which is VERY hard to recover from. I will also be completely honest: I think every Tier it’s gotten worse…each time I think we get a few more bandwagoners from the Servers Kaineng’s beating. I know I’ve seen other Guilds I don’t recognize, and lots more randoms…Queues are getting to ridiculous times…

MikeFerguson.8921:

Account bound blueprints

We tried changing blueprints to being account bound and it completely broke the pack up skill when holding the blueprint so we can’t do that either unfortunately.

I’m hoping that someday may find some programmer magic that can solve this so we can at least get rid of them being soulbound, but nobody is looking at it currently.

Just a random thought…have you guys tried making them “Soul Bound on Use”?…Like after double-clicking they become Soulbound? Not real sure how the Coding on any of that works, but figured I’d throw it out there as a possibility!

Also: Is there any chance you could add the “Server Tag” to the Siege?…Knowing whose Siege it is you’re attacking can be extremely important information. Would be nice if it was at least listed where “Guilds” are on characters or something?

Just wanted to pop in and wish everyone good luck. Possible suggestion: Send some folks down to T8 to do some studying of your competition…I fully expect T7/T8 to mingle a lot because all your Servers are awesomely matched!

Also: I’m totally cheering for GoM, had fun with you guys so I’ll sit in the stands and paint my face GoM colors and wear the Foam Finger for you!

Syeria.4812:

By my count from past threads, AR has 3 of them. But I’ll take the 3 of them a thousand times over the “we weren’t exploiting, we were just testing if that exploit still worked” from Devona’s Rest (although I hear that guild transferred away from DR now).

Technically PRO is still there, they just trimmed the dead weight who decided to leave for another(higher Tier) Server.

So…very selfish of me but: Thank-you AR and NSP. I have been telling folks “Things start getting difficult now, AR/NSP are going to bring a good force. We’ll probably win, but it WILL. NOT. BE. EASY.” You are making all my warnings to my Server/Guild-mates accurate…and making my coming back early instead of scouting completely worthwhile. I mean this wholly and completely: Thank-you guys for being as awesome as I talked you up to be.

Just like to point out: According to one of your Peeps, AR had Queues on basically every Map: as did Kaineng. All Servers have the same limit of Players per Map. Despite having similar numbers, Kaineng HAS managed to take the lead and hold it. This is not an attempt to Chest-thump, I KNOW we can get a lot better…response time for any calls I’ve made out for help thus far have taken WAY too long. I at least feel it’s fair to say that on “Equal Ground” thus far, Kaineng has proven itself fairly skilled.

Note: This is more for those who are going to be saying how great they are and how horrible Kaineng Players are and how they got 500 Badges off us, blah blah blah. Everyone knows full well I expected a good fight. :p Been posting everywhere “AR and NSP are going to surprise everyone, I was over there and I saw them in action.”

Fiction.6418:

Rhyis.7058:

katniss.6735:

Whoever uses siege loses.

Does the holy ram count as siege?

Only if it is positioned directly on an objective, our field rams are fine!

ALL HAIL THE HOLY RAM!!!!

amberlin.5124:

First rule of “Being Spawn Camped”:

• Don’t Fight At Spawn

You are being camped for a reason. It is either strategic, tactical, or mindless farming.

Which ever it is… the economics of continuing to fight at spawn are against you.

• Take another exit. Every spawn has three exits. Not all are ideal, but they exist.
• Go to another map. Rally to a larger force. Put pressure elsewhere.
• Wait. Pull out of sight and just wait. Campers are not typically patient.

If you are being camped for strategic or tactical reasons, you need to understand why. Perhaps it is because a nearby asset is the objective of assault. Camping is a legitimate tactic in this case. Perhaps the campers WANT you to move to another map because they are under 2v1 pressure. Camping is a legitimate strategy in this case.

If it is mindless farming? STOP feeding them badges.
If it is a “drive-by” zerg? STOP provoking them so they will move on…

THINK!

I started slow-clapping after reading this…very good analysis and agreed on pretty much all counts.

As I’m sure many DRs will agree…No matter how badly you outnumber the enemy, running into fully upgraded Towers/Keeps hurts…and it is only easy to take if the other side isn’t paying attention. With Supply and Defenders available, the attack is VERY likely to fail miserably. DR always seemed to hate going into Ferg BL, as much because they kept EVERYTHING fully upgraded as because they defended it religiously.

Rule #1 about WvW: Hold your own BL above all else, even SM. Having your home BL improves Morale FAR more than SM…use SM as the carrot for folks in EB to lure them along, use your home BL to keep people WvWing.

Insert facepalming sound effect here.

ifelldown.5426:

As a member of BP, the only mention I have heard of any form of truce, alliance, whatever, has been here in the forums. We have a long and glorious history of just attacking everything that’s marked in red, suicidally or not.

It could be true, but I have not seen anything like it. Shame on us if we chose this path. I know I could not and would not take part in this practice. Play as intended or not at all.

…To be fair, if all they intended was “Hit anything red.” it would be WvW….not WvWvW. With 3 worlds, it becomes as much political as “physical”.(Physical in quotes because you’re only beating up pixels. :p )

Ninya.3942:

You know WM is the only T1 that moved down right? RE and DE moved from DH after all the other major guilds were gone and DH was only T4 at its highest. Most of the rest of our alliance is native Kain guilds. Get off your high horses.

It is worth noting, however:
While the transfers have been incredible and participating, I personally won’t speak for how consistent they will be in remaining on Kaineng through difficult times. I do hope they will, after all they haven’t run from fights yet as they were willing to stay on their home Servers until the point where it just got exhausting. That said, most of the “Kaineng Numbers” are actually from “Locals” who were fighting DR, and then ran away to hide in PvE/sPvP while we were getting beaten. While I hope our Transfers prove themselves, a large part of me hopes we get crushed soon so THESE guys will go away again. The whole “Fairweather Player” thing is pitiful and confuses the rankings into thinking a Server is stronger than it really is.

In closing: The Transfers deserve respect, they’ve thus far done nothing but work well with others and try to spend the time fighting lower-pop Servers to organize the Guilds and prepare for higher Tiers. The fairweather players though….kill them all!

Kardiamond.6952:

@Rob

Since NSP while stay with us next week, lets try to give those Kaineng and all their transfers a warm welcome!

I was originally going to transfer to T5 for this next week for more scouting and learning/etc…but honestly, was so impressed with AR and NSP that I decided to come home and see you guys in action. Good luck to you both, and I hope you manage to layeth the smacketh downeth uponeth useth…Or something.

KwayZee.5742:

There’s no point in starting another forum war with Dred. He took his 5-8 peeps and left. PRO is still on DR and we are NOT leaving. Looking forward to this upcoming week!

In all seriousness: I gave PRO props when I fought them in T6 with NSP because how much I believed they had improved. I stand by that and can only say that in the end his leaving will likely be a good thing for you guys. So good luck and keep kicking behinds!

Wryscher.1432:

Snip

While I do agree T5 will be more balanced…a lot of folks are under-estimating T6. I was there up until Tuesday, and I expect many good fights with them. I think the Servers there know and expect to get ROFLStomped…but at the same time, I think they will bring a massive hurting on Kaineng which I will enjoy fighting against. AR and NSP have many many people I have come to respect and I wish them both all the best of luck! I’m just hoping they do gang up on Kaineng…with the NSP “Morning” crew…and AR “Day/Night” crew…they would be hitting Kaineng hard 24/7.

Stoneslammer.3650:

So im a bit confused then. Seeing as neither of those guilds are going against Kain this session then how can you claim the transfers really havent heavily skewed WvW in Kains favor this week? You cant have it both ways. Either Kain had it bad the last two months or Kain was “Dominating” like you claim in other thread.

Please learn to read, I will explain as clearly as possible what I have already said between both threads:
T7 and T8 Servers are on par with each other. All equal or close to it in strength(…Because I can foresee difficulty, the obvious exception now is Kaineng. This is a statement based on CURRENT relative strength.). Ferg WAS the strongest of you 5 in Week 50. Kaineng facerolled Ferg and ET by over 200k points BEFORE Transfers. BEFORE Transfers Ferg strongest Guilds decided to leave because many knew they would soon roll over T8/T7 and found the idea boring. AFTER all this…DE(Then SE) came scouting to potentially join us. Decided to join Kaineng, then WM announced their joining as well.

iow: Kaineng was already crushing opposition. But for week upon week BEFORE this, DR crushed us…repeatedly…we simply took the fight to them more effectively than other Servers have due to lots of practice.

Stoneslammer.3650:

Never claimed to be the sole authority on anything. Let me ask you a question though. You claim to have faced the same odds for two months just now but in another thread about how transfers are mucking up WvW you claim Kain was already dominating and that the big guilds transfering over is not really mucking anything up.

In that Thread my point is that Kaineng and Ferg stood toe-to-toe with DR despite the Population difference. We still lost points-wise, but DR could never manage to faceroll us in order to go up a Tier. As soon as DR was gone, it was Kaineng that proved strongest. The first week Fergs stood strong because their experience against Zergs and being outnumbered by holding their BL with the skill we’ve come to expect from them. Unfortunately, that was many Ferg-Guild’s last week on their Server. Though the upside is that apparently their leaving meant that Fergs was no longer OP for the Tier and they’re enjoying good matches.

Stoneslammer.3650:

I have only had the game a month and have played GoM for all of that time. I do know i felt for HoD and SF the past couple weeks when we outnumbered them although nothing even close to this garbage we have now. Who finds this fun. I feel like actually transfering over to Kain just to let some people that ruined WvW this week know what I think of them but i just cant stomach being stuck on a server with them for a whole week.

……After your extensive single month of experience and expertise, you are the sole authority on what is a good fight. From the way you talked I at least expected you to be a veteran. So let me correct some things for you:
1) These odds your facing?…We faced it for nearly 2 months…or was it 3? I think it was only 2 months with the transfers but I could be wrong. Regardless…
2) Those odds taught Kaineng and Fergs how to fight better than you might believe. Ask any DR about “Envy Mesmers” and you’ll get a response that involves fist-shaking and promises for vengeance. Kaineng and Ferg learned to defend like champs with similar percentage of population to what you have to us now. I won’t claim it’s the -same-, but it’s bloody close.
3) We learned to find the fun in every battle, because it is there, you’re just refusing to see it because you’re blinded by the points. When there is a population difference, you need to adjust your view of “Winning” and “Losing”. Otherwise all that will happen is precisely what you’re going through now.

Guru.3245:

Thanks for the offer, but HoD is where I shall remain, with my guild and the remaining fighters. Server transfers are one of the things that brought the server down the ladder, and I don’t want to be a part of that.

Just as a reminder: You can transfer every 7 days. :p Temporarily hopping Servers isn’t the issue, it’s the Guilds permanently moving to other Servers that cause issues! (This isn’t an attempt to coerce you into doing it anyway, simply saying that it’s a good thing to keep in mind now and in the future! I found it particularly useful for learning about the Tiers Kaineng will soon be fighting in.)

Stoneslammer.3650:

In case you dont know what fun is. I will tell you what it is not. Having a pitched battle with evenish numbers only to have the numbers skewed so bad the opposing team can break through a keep door in under a minute with no Rams.

Well see Dhampyr…there’s the problem in our communication, obviously by this he is a fellow Kaineng member who was here when DR was around. Though he is forgetting all the times we managed to hold them off at Cliffside…Those were great battles despite being outnumbered ridiculously.

Guru.3245:

Oh I know for sure most people probably don’t enjoy steamrolling, I’ve been on HoD since the start, and it got boring when we always owned stuff, no fun at all when there is no one to fight. I’d love to fight your regulars, doesn’t matter who’s winning or losing really, it’s all about the fight

Dunno if you’d consider it, but a lot of us are coming back for T6, might be worthwhile to hop on there for a week if you’re really interested in seeing a lot of our skilled people in action. (Not sure if I’ll be available, was intending to be but my bloody internet is iffy atm. -.- )

Guru.3245:

So this will come off as disrespectful im sure, but I personally don’t feel Kaineng would get very high up in tiers without their transfers. Sure you could get out of tier 8, no doubt, but from your performance in this matchup, it’s been nothing but numbers, no skill. Countless times 4 of our people have killed 10+ of yours, it’s great, and it’s what’s allowed me to have fun in this matchup. We even ninja’d a keep from you guys tonight :P
No disrespect intended, but you guys need to work on skill for those high ranks you’ll be hitting, even WM and what not, i’ve killed a ton of your members cause you’re almost all using cookie cutter glass cannon builds.
Also, the lack of respect is appalling from Kaineng, dancing on corpses, laughing etc, it’s just not needed guys.

Anyways, my post isn’t meant to insult anyone, though im sure some will take it that way. There’s been some fun in this matchup, defeating a whole group when outnumbered and what not, the huge battles in EB at the start of the week, so thanks for that guys And as i’ve said before, work on those tactics, cause eventually they’ll be an even bigger zerg than yours.

Were those people you were facing our “Regulars” I would agree…but believe it or not, most of the people who are skilled or at least around most often(before the Transfers) have been either leveling Alts or Server hopping until we face better odds. As surprising as some may believe it…We don’t enjoy facerolling our opponents any more than our opponents enjoy being facerolled.

Note: This is not an attempt to “Troll” or even belittle our current Kaineng forces, “Zergs” are an important part of the WvW cycle, and an organized small-man crew with communication will always trump a larger less organized group. Many of the equally skilled small-man groups are on vacation because there is no one to kill.

Firebaall.5127:

It’s cheating.

You’re misrepresenting the term “Cheating”, as Server jumping is not in the least against the rules. None of these people are breaking any rules, and none of them are doing anything wrong. These “Imbalanced Matches” are bound to happen regardless, what you are failing to mention is how short a time these imbalanced matches last. For a week(2 at most) WvW will be more painful than usual, but despite that, the lower populations still have lots(if not more) of opportunity to kill enemies, and gain Karma/XP/money from capping Camps/Towers. And while some may not see it as a benefit…Not having to blow money on Upgrades for a week can be a huge relief. -.-

Stoneslammer.3650:

Obviously your mind is made up and yours is the only viable one to you, as such, further communication with you is utterly pointless. Thank-you and I hope you enjoy future fights in Guild Wars 2!

Draygo.9473:

The funny thing was the zerglings of our server would actually build the rams so you would have random rams dotted around the map.

Funniest thing I’ve seen: I went to the Quaggan Island in order to get the PoI…there on the island were 15 completed Rams. 5 of them from each Server…I laughed so hard. XD

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

For better or worse, Kaineng chose their path. They’ll achieve some success, I’m sure. But on the flip side, all they have to look forward to for the next few weeks is another 8 pages of forum hatred from each tier they stomp while GoM and HoD will be enjoying a much more fun and even match-up.

As an aside: I would like to know how you guys are doing in the future! Will probably continue following your progress in the fights down here same as I do with DR still. :p Hopefully we will eventually have the opportunity to have Kaineng vs GoM vs HoD again in the future on a more even keel.

I have deleted my previous posts, and decided I would better spend my time in providing a more on-topic analysis of the current situation while providing a counter-argument to extremely negative commentary. So then…

Stoneslammer.3650:

So I am curious how many servers those guilds ruined WvW for the foreseeable future. The servers they moved from and the servers Kain will be going against. Not a single thought to anyone elses enjoyment of the game. Then we get tools who tell us transfer off our servers if we dont like ten or twenty to one odds.

I will begin with what is most important, the enjoyment of the game. In this post you are declaring people you don’t know, who’ve been fighting in places you’ve never been, playing a game in situations you haven’t experienced and taking actions you’re unwilling to even consider as horrible people. Is it a Player’s responsibility to consider the enjoyment of the other player? Or is it the Developer’s responsibility? Because as a Player I can tell you that the only responsibility we hold is to have fun playing a game we love. These people took an action they felt was needed in order to continue playing this game and WvW, the alternative to this being quitting, thus removing a large portion of our population and lowering the pool of Players for WvW even more, not exactly something I want to see.

You speak of selfishness, but then you speak only about your own enjoyment without considering theirs, in the future I simply ask that you stop and think about what others have gone through before making such judgemental and overly biased statements.

Stoneslammer.3650:

Ironic? Do you actuallly know what that word means? I suggest you look it up and while at it you should also look up the words Selfish, Cowardly, and Honorable.

“A manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., especially as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.” Such as, for example, criticizing people for selfishness and thoughtlessness while speaking selfishly without thought for what they have been through. Thus, sir, your “Speech” was quite ironic.

As for Cowardly, I have yet to see any of the Guilds run from a fight…they were each on Kaineng independently researching it as a place to potentially go, only when all realized it was their mutual destination did they form the alliance. They weren’t running from a fight, they were looking for a new one to join because they were no longer having fun in the old one.

Finally, for “Honor”, my personal favorite definition has always been the Japanese Bushido. Gi, Y?ki, Jin, Rei, Makoto, Meiyo and Ch?gi. Otherwise there is the “Knight’s Chivalric Code”, and countless others…but in all of these systems of “Honor”, Courtesy and Manners are considered a very large part of it. Both of which you have been lacking in your posts.

Stoneslammer.3650:

You tell another player hey should not post on the forums if they dont like that you Tools ruined the game for many of us for who knows how long? Then you say he can transfer off his server if he does not like it?

You sir are the epitomy of a selfish coward who could care less who he ruins the game for. I imagine you are guilded with equally selfish cowards. But I will take back one thing though. The server you left must be rejoicing to see you and your ilk gone, no matter the cost.

I am a Kaineng, and since I started playing have been a Kaineng. The only time I left was while we were winning by such a ridiculous margin that my presence meant nothing to the larger picture and so I chose to scout the higher Tiers for my Guild and Server to be better prepared for the fight to come. I am no transfer, and never will be as Kaineng is my home.

I also transferred to ET during the 2nd week fighting them where I helped train a number of their new players, taught them how to defend and hold Towers even against Kaineng Zergs, helped to fight against the Kaineng Horde and all around provided whatever aid I could.(While being called a “Spy” and such by some, but warmly welcomed by most. Thanks again for the good times ET!)

For the person I told to “Stop posting or leave.”, he asked for suggestions beyond “Keep at it.”, I gave him what he asked for since those are really the only other options he has. Had you actually read the posts you would recognize it was posted good-naturedly.

My point with this is simply this: You are making snap judgements with absolutely no background or forethought in what you are typing. As such, you should just stop, take a break, and recognize that this is just a game.

Thank-you, and continue the good fights folks!

Stoneslammer.3650:

http://www.kidsmmorpg.com/ This is probably more appropriate for you for a few years.

For clarity sake the message: Grow up.

Llyrx.3497:

Please take this to PM’s or such, It’s not really helpful or based on the original post. We’re looking to advertise, not cause drama.

Apologies, posts deleted. And just remember people: Kaineng is an awesome place to grow from. We have literally every type of person available! People who were on top, people who’ve never been past Tier 8 before, experienced, new, talkative, silent. We are a community first. Look forward to seeing new faces!

Lightsbane.9012:

maybe i’m just fed up with zerg severs telling me to ‘keep at it’

In that case I will give you 2 suggestions that are not “Keep at it.”

1) Stop reading/complaining on the Forums so you don’t have to hear people saying “Keep at it”. I get it…things suck for you, bloody near everyone has been through it already so stop acting like you’re special and you going through it is worse than when we did.

2) Transfer. Nothing’s stopping you from getting away from the Suck by just not being there.

There’s also a Guardian Shout that grants Swiftness combined with the GS #2 which is basically a momentary Speed Boost. Throw into that if he was using Meditations he could be Teleporting.

There are many ways to go faster.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

This thread has gotten pretty silly.

GoM/HoD: This isn’t the first time you’ve been zerged. Stop acting like it. Kitten happens, and we’ll have a much better match-up next week.

Kain: You’re still new at having huge numbers in your favor. Learn to do so gracefully and not resort to being jerks about it. If Fubuki still plays, I can imagine he’s probably facepalming himself to death over some of the attitudes and tactics coming from Kaineng.

Personally, I don’t care who we fight or how badly we’re outnumbered. All I do is WvW, so nothing you bring to the table will ever send me back to PvE. Even if you manage to chase away all of my servermates, I’ll still be there throwing myself at 1vZerg ’til reset and taking as many of you kittens down with me as possible.

Now, back to the war.

I think I love you. <3

<—— Has been facepalming at the silly chest-thumping and such!

Ragnarok.4586:

I have no quarrel with HoD or Kaineng for that matter. Just the guilds like WM and SoS. I’m sorry for all you native Kaineng players. I’ll be bitter if I’m still around when some large guild transfers to GoM and gives us queues and tries to steal the glory.

-Cheers

Just a note: SOS -is- a native Kaineng Guild. They’ve been here since Kaineng opened for business. Chaster’s a good guy too who’s kept his Guild here and strong whether WvW was going good or bad. One of the few large Guilds that I doubt will ever move anywhere else.

So…Judging by everything, I don’t think ANET really -wants- Transfers to cost anything, or if they do not much. To this end I thought about what we can do to make “Transfers” happen less, or at least to ensure those who remain loyal to their server while others abandon it aren’t suffering.

My thought: Rather than making Transfers paid, or removing them, or even increasing the time between Transfers…Why not simply reward loyalty to a Server?

Ask yourself this: Why should anyone remain loyal to their Server right now? There is no reason…the ONLY thing you lose when swapping Servers is whatever Influence expenditures you made for your Guild. It’s really not much of a loss.(Annoying, but nothing that really matters since it can be made up for with a little gold and time anyway.)

So, any opinions on this idea? Or possible ideas for the “Rewards” that could be offered for staying loyal to a Server? My personal opinion is that whatever the rewards are should be “Personal” with mostly WvW based simply because WvW is most affected.

Some thoughts I had:
- Gems, maybe after 1 month getting some kinda Gem Bonus each month you remain on the same server, losing this bonus for 2 months whenever you move.
- Increased duration on Siege before it despawns.
- XP/Karma/Gold rewards, or maybe just % bonuses based on how long you’ve been on the Server.
- Bonuses related to Upgrading Camps/Towers/Keeps.

AR and NSP would make a monster of a combined Server…AR has the incredible “Daytime” Presence, while NSP has the incredible “Nightime” Presence. You guys should seriously consider combining your forces and give the Tier 5 Guilds a rude awakening…(And Kaineng a huge surprise!)

Just love watching the points during the day shoot up for AR, then at night everything belongs to NSP.