Guild Wars 2

“Thieves only good in 1v1? The thief has an AOE bow that kitten large groups. I watched my roomy kill 1v3 easily. And I watch him down a kitten ton when they were attacking a wall. Whoever goes into WvW speced to fight only pic-offs is a bad thief (unless that is what they want to do).”

If you think the Necro is bad in WvW because of its non existant burst damage I think you need to evaluate what a necro can actually bring to a group besides DPS in different situations.

We are one of the most versitile classes, play to our strengths instead of our weaknesses.

In WvW our strengths are:

1. Bucket loads of CC. Sometimes keeping someone in one place or off of something is more important than the damage you will do to them. AoE fear people off siege equipment or trying to res their fallen. We are great at holding people in one place when you also consider our survivability (heavy tackler role, see below) if we can catch up to them (Dark Path is great for this). Plague Form has the potential to lock down a group of enemies with blindness. At the end of the day, we have alot of CC to go around.
2. Our survivability is off the charts when stacking toughness as a stat because of death shroud and our large HP pool. When we spec for support we can keep protection up when moving onto a group.
3. We have extremely good group support capabilities with things such as well of blood, aoe protection from wells. Using your staff in close encounters you can keep regeneration up on your group and transfer conditions from them onto the enemy. Well of Power… need I say anymore? In support specs Blood is Power lasts 18 seconds, giving you 350 power and condition damage allowing you to actually do DPS even in a support role. With my build I regularly get 20 stacks of might on me when you also consider my traits and group. With a focus offhand, we can stack 9 stacks of vulnerability on a target and increase our groups DPS on him by 9%. Well of Courruption can do similar vulnerability stacking further enhancing your groups DPS, allowing your glass cannons to wreck the enemy faster.
4. We have very good potential for AoE damage. Condition damage specs can decimate using epedemic in the right situations as well as ground targeted wells, lots of AoE condition damage to go around no matter what your spec.
5. Solid DPS with dagger / versatility in weapons. Yes its not the best or extremely bursty, but we do have potential to switch from longer range weapons to higher DPS close range weapons when we need to finish someone off.

We are a class that fights with attrition instead of burst damage and our versatility shines in WvW. Just because we are not hitting huge numbers doesn’t mean we are not important to have in WvW.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

If it exists on the dungeon armor, it exists on the dungeon weapons

Ok, that is one thing off the list. We are still left with no accessories.

Evagal.2584:

I have no idea how to quote people.

“We know, we want condition damage sets replacing power with condition damage like the one available in sPvP (Condition Damage/Prescision/Toughness).”

This set (condition damage/precision/toughness) exists on the Twilight Arbor exotic set. At least,for heavy armor.

Yes, it also exists for the karma exotics.

The problem is it doesn’t exist for weapons or accessories.

mulch.2586:

Can your conditions crit? Why want precision?

Because some builds use prescision to stack conditions…

Why do you think they offer that stat combination in sPvP?

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

You can craft Power/Vitality/Condition, it’s called Carrion

We know, we want condition damage sets replacing power with condition damage like the one available in sPvP (Condition Damage/Prescision/Toughness).

The Dwayna proc gives AoE regeneration to people around you including yourself when you use a heal (Well of Blood).

Well of Blood (~700 HPS) + Regeneration (~300 HPS) = 1000 HPS with about 1.3K Healing Power.

The bad thing about Healing Power is it only seems to scale with 2 of my abilities (Regeneration and Well of Blood). None of my other healing abilities are affected by healing power from what I can tell anyway.

Bump, I am being forced to build for power on my engineer when I want to do a condition build. The stats I wan’t are not available outside of sPvP and it is very frustrating to not be able to do similar condition builds in WvW/PvE as I can in sPvP.

I can get a templegod armor set with the stats I want but I am unable to get accessories or weapons with the stats I need.

Please arenanet, add PvE Condition/Presision/Toughness sets

Yep, I stopped purchasing consumables from the Black Lion when the DR system was added.

Hey, more money for me I am fine with that. If Arenanet ever wants to make consumables worthwhile again I will continue to buy them. But as it stands now, they won’t be getting any more of my money.

IMO Necro is one of the best if not the best class for WvW.

You guys forget that regeneration is not the only heal, and that Healing isn’t the only stat that makes healing more effective.

On my Necro my regeneration for Well of Blood tics for 700 compared to like 250 and thats in an AoE. My regeneration tics for ~300. When I use Well of Blood it procs my Dwayna rune and heals those around me for 1000HPS for about 7 seconds + 4 1/2 seconds of protection.

Healing scales very well with high toughness and protection. Its just not a stat that is meant to be used by itself.

The trinity is already removed. Just because some people want to have more effective healing at the cost of something else doesn’t mean there is a problem.

To be better at something you make sacrifices at others.

IMO this would remove complexity from the game that gives it additional depth. Not to mention the balance implications of this allowing people to stack much more vitality along with another stat.

Healing stat is fine, leave it as is.

Cool Fubuki, just to be clear you guys have been putting up a great fight this week considering your population.

I hope you continue to get more transfers from overcrowded servers and the bracket wont be in the silly state it is right now.

@Fubuki: Our guild doesn’t play the game to win, we play it for the good fights where the odds are against us and we are pushed to our limits. Winning the scoreboard is an added bonus but I don’t think its the big victory that any of us play for in HoM. Its the things that happen during that week that makes us who we are, not some score count at the end of the week. In fact, our guild has the best showing when we are being destroyed in WvW, not when we are winning.

I can’t speak for the actions of BP as a server, only from from my experiences.

We just started to get organized as a server and have had our share of large guild exodus. I wouldn’t judge the experiences of one small guild based on the actions of our entire server.

With that said, could you guys please double team us already and give us a challenge so we can have two out of two weeks of challenges instead of just one? Quite frankly it sucks

EDIT:

Clarified wording to be more clear that winning is not our first priority.

So I on average was getting around 5-10 badges an hour on my 80 Necro.

My first day on my new engineer alt I got 30 badges in one hour and the trend does not look like it will reverse anytime soon.

All I have to say about that is “what the kitten”

I am going to do more testing tonight since they made changes to DR on Sundays patch. I have only played my engineer since the patch.

I just rolled a new engineer alt and the loot drops I am getting is like night and day compared to my 80.

Lately I have not gotten more then 10 or so badges an hour on my 80 necro on a good day, but it feels like every time I turn around I am being showered with badges on my level 23 engineer. Last session I got 30 in one hour and the rate seemed to be very constant. The amount of loot I am getting on my engineer is also off the charts compared to my 80 who barely gets any kind of drops anymore (even with 200% magic find).

So it got me thinking, is there some kind of permanent DR that continues to increment as you play each char? Thats what its feeling like on my 80, pretty much no matter what I am doing my rewards are close to zero besides what I get for completing an event. It feels like my loot is getting worse and worse each day on my 80.

My necro mainly does WvW and events around Orr/Frostgorge and various other zones I am working on for map completion. I havn’t done anything that would qualify as “farming” in several weeks after I got full exotics.

Anyone have an idea what is causing this?

In the time that we have worked with Krew we havn’t seen or heard anything about any sort of hacking and they seem like a good bunch of guys.

Its not their style to hack an orb plain and simple. They play this game for the PvP, not easy mode victories.

I did actually read it and it delivered

Anyways I like fighting you guys from Devonas, especially RED. I look foward to more fighting in general regardless of who wins you can be sure my guild will still queue up for WvW every day. No that is not supposed to be an insult or arrogant sensitive man :P

Zaq, thats the first time ever for me on the forums to look at a wall of text and think “TLDR” which is actually quite an accomplishment.

I think you are being overly sensitive and dirtyklingon is known in particular for just rubbing some people the wrong way. Calm down, take a deep breath.

Anyways, see you on the battlefield.

My my, looks like someone is extremely sensative today.

Great fights last night Kaineng, your defense of your garrison till the end was quite impressive.

I was hoping this match wouldn’t be like last time we fought you and you guys are not disappointing at all

Yeah the dagger does feel a bit better on ele I suppose since it can hit more then 1 thing.

I just feel like we already have decent AoE potential with staff/wells/epedemic. Then again so does ele so thats a moot point.

I would be for this if they didn’t nerf the single target damage since thats what I am using it for. I only wonder though would that make dagger OP?

I think the weapon that needs the most work right now is the Axe. Its ability 1 is just terrible (I mean common, I already can get 9 stacks of vuln + regen with focus by hitting 1 button). 2 is a good life force gainer but 3 is extremely situtional and lacks synergy with other things you would be doing at the time you used it.

Yukishiro.8792:

130 range no cleave is just /facepalm on a class like a necro that is very immobile. It needs SOMETHING. Either a range boost to 300ish range like ele dagger has, or ability to hit three targets (without extra LF gain). Something to make it not a complete chore to use in both PVE (because no cleave) and PVP (because such short range).

Dagger necro isn’t even so much bad as just such a chore to use because of the meaninglessli limited dagger 1. It just feels clunky. Completely different than any other dagger class. There’s absolutely no reason it needs to be the most limited auto attack in the game.

Dagger has 1 root, focus has 1 chill, staff has 1 chill, dark path has a 5 1/2 second chill and teleports you to them….

Learn to use CC at the right moment and pick the right offhands for what you are trying to do. Even warhorn could give you the tools to not be kited, and if you are building for dagger/dagger DPS you can get a +15% movement speed trait (ok its not in the DPS tree but it still is there)

I have absolutely no problems with dagger in PvE or WvW.

Snowgoons.6349:

I don’t know about you guys, but I hate being pigeon holed into the staff as well. Give us 2h hammer (WOULD LOVE 2h AXE NECRO ANET), similar to how mesmer have their sword.

Open up some proper skills, re-do the traits so again we aren’t pigeon holed.

Then I will stop complaining :P

Necro is a lame let down JUST because they gave us DS. I know some of you love DS, but honestly I cannot see how they can up our damage with DS the way it is now. Maybe give us like some said here and another thread a diff DS based on weapons.

They simply will not let us walk around with 40k+ hp when including DS and do great damage.

Maybe give a second racial ability for necros who want max DPS the ability to turn death shroud into a signet like passive that increases damage output a great deal but at the expense of not being able to enter DS until a long cooldown is up.

I really like the death shroud mechanic myself and I don’t want to see it removed. I don’t mind hitting like a kitten (besides dagger mainhand) as long as I am dominating people with CC at the same time with a godmode like tank while providing important support to the rest of our group.

You are right about that. I have 2000 or so kills and less than 500 badges. Before you say thats not alot, I spend most of my time outside of zergs running around with my gang of 5-10 people. So naturally I get alot less kills.

As for Guardians: they are very good at supporting a group in ways that buff them, but I don’t think they are very effective in ranged situations or have CC capabilities on the level that we do but feel free to correct me there if I am wrong.

Dibrom.6408:

Sounds like you’re zerging around.

My average group size is 5-10 guys. Hardly a zerg, but we do often fight zergs and I don’t use the same tactics against groups of 20+ people because it is suicide. When we fight zergs we try to string them out and kill them individually when they overextend.

5-10 guys is manageable to push on with dark path assuming the other members of your group know what to do and react fast to take advantage of the window.

@Snowgoons:

Thats funny, because I do that all the time to groups of 10+ people and survive thanks to protection + well of blinding. It creates a window where my group can push in and decimate their group because a good chunk of them can’t fight back and usually dont see it coming especially if they are defending a supply camp.

I am almost NEVER solo in 1v1 situations, I am built for supporting my group in ways besides DPS. Most fights for me I am fighting 5+ enemies.

Snowgoons.6349:

You know what…I will give it a try Punny. I am going to play an hour like a warr/thief with extra HP and skills of DS, but seeing as so many said it pretty much still isn’t good not getting my hopes up…well see.

What part of the game do you find Necro to be lackluster in? Because while I find necro to absolutely shine in WvW and PvE, it is rather lackluster besides conditions in sPvP for a number of other reasons.

“Don’t pretend you aren’t hitting F1 and mashing 4 like the rest of us”

Sigh

4 is actually my least used DS ability. I am a support/tank speced well necromancer. I often use dark path to catch up to someone, dodge in front and fear them back into my group. Sometimes I use dark path to get in the middle of an enemy group and drop my bombs (wells). The fear is great for stopping people trying to finish my teammates and to stop enemies from reviving. I use a dagger/focus and staff, so dark path is great for getting back in melee range to pound their face after building up stacks of might shooting them with death blast. I use ability 4 mainly for healing my group, not as a damage dealer.

There are many more uses that I can think of. Just because all you mainly do is spam 4 doesn’t mean that is all everyone does. Death shroud is a second HP pool for us, so I stack toughness / use protection traits to maximize the strengths my class has. I often win 1v1s purely through attrition. I have enough CC to stop my enemy from ever escaping as well for all the people complaining about that.

Only reason I feel down about my class is the bugs. Other then that I absolutely LOVE my necro and do not want to see it changed significantly from the original vision.

Context: All I do is WvW, Dungeons, Dynamic Events

Please for the love of god do not remove death shroud.

All four abilities have their place and there is alot of hidden synergy you dont see at the surface but you learn as you continue to play.

Necro could use some work in the traits tree, yes. But to say death shroud needs to be removed is simply INSANE.

I run a support “necro bomb” spec which specs into the healing tree instead of conditions.

I won’t post it on the forums but I will say me and my guildies who have tried it find it extremely potent at excelling in all kinds of situations for WvW and PvE.

The level of damage I can tank is just ludicrous. The CC I can dish out can be game changing. The heals I put out can single handedly hold the line. The damage while nothing great is not terrible either. There is so much synergy with wells and death shroud I don’t even know where to begin because its so awesome.

I like the idea, but I am in the minority of people who absolutely LOVES death shroud and its current 4 abilities as is.

I have full integrated each into my build (which specs 0 into the DS trait tree)

Thank you for the fights NSP. That was very tricky maneuvering when you guys took the keep from us.

Fair enough. We were getting the “invisible enemy glitch” all night so I thought you guys were in alot more numbers than you actually were. Please excuse my attitude, its leftover from more hardcore PvP games where if someone in my alliance pulled what crafters did we would curbstomp them into a fine powder. I appreciate you at least trying to get them to stop.

Anyways, thanks to all of Anvil Rock last night who didn’t attack us besides Crafters. We really made some good pushes on NSP.

Kardiamond.6952:

I was with them during that fight, not that I wanted to attack you, but we had raided some green camp and I didn’t know they wanted your camp too.

I will be the first to admit Crafter did more wrong then good yesterday, but your statetement is false for the camp fight.

We first thought you were only a little group, but as more player rendered, you were at least as many as us. And our group was scattering because half of us were going to the next objectif.

I will say they made bad decision yesterday, and I can’t say they are good at pvp since I didn’t see them pvp a lot (they were camp rotating). But free flaming is cheap, especially with a false statement.

Stay classy!

All I know is me and 4 other guildies dive bombed your group inside the camp and the force behind (which on the map showed maybe 10-15 or so icons) us proceed to push in and melt you.

Anyways, you were in an unorganized zerg that was attacking Borlis Pass camps without hesitation when we as a server were actively avoiding attacking your camps / objectives for a joint push on NSP. Remember, you called me out as a hipocrite the other day for the same thing even though you guys held NOTHING on the map.

Stay classy.

It was funny when we rolled crafters group the first time in the camp they had taken from us with 1/2 their numbers.

Thanks for the free badges crafters! You guys really are a joke.

Sadly after that most people went to defend other objectives and my 5 guys and some randoms couldn’t hold them off anymore.

Charr only have a few sets of armor that don’t suffer from major clipping issues or look like they were not meant for charr at all.

I have been saying this since day one, allow people to keep influence/upgrades when transferring to low pop servers.

Anet should be encouraging this kind of behavior.

Kardiamond.6952:

This place is always full of bots. Everytime we raid supply camp in your borderland, we encounter the same bots.

Not like reporting them is any use. they are still there!

Its a game published by NCSoft, you should expect no less

My guild will keep an eye out for them, thanks for the heads up.

Kardiamond.6952:

Sundial.9015:

“What do we see? Borlis Pass attacking our west camp in our territory, then them coming directly to the north camp we are attacking to attack us. Like a zerg fo around 20 player.”

Were you guys just randomly flipping stuff or actually trying to hold it? Because from what I could tell you guys had no real prescense in the zone. We WILL engage and fight you if we see you in NSP borderlands. What we will not do is come to your borderlands and take supply camps/towers/keeps from you when you are actually making a real effort to take back your stuff.

So yeah, if I see one of your raiding parties in NSP flipping objectives I WILL engage you for the fight unless its clear to me you are doing more than farming karma in the zone (taking back your tower, keep, etc)

I was commanding at the time and I don’t feel we wronged you in any way.

Well, we had just sieged the faithleap Tower, and where getting supply to defend it. That’s when you guys attacked our only supply and killed our group, because we were fighting both you and NSP.

Also, how do you explain your group taking our Camp west of our spawn? Those camp are really important for us if we want to get our spawn tower back.

Like I said, kitten happens and mistake too. But don’t come on the forum complaining about something, when you do it yourself.

Both server did it, just don’t start a war over it.

Before we fall on friday, we will try to bring as much NSP players with us as possibly.
Die Scum!

Well I am sorry about that, we didn’t realize you were trying to do more than farming karma. If I had known I would taken a very different course of action. I would have been more careful if we were in your borderlands instead of NSP. So yeah, my apologies.

Yes I agree, lets take as many NSP as we possibly can with us

When you do more than mindlessly zerg melee is very useful.

“What do we see? Borlis Pass attacking our west camp in our territory, then them coming directly to the north camp we are attacking to attack us. Like a zerg fo around 20 player.”

Were you guys just randomly flipping stuff or actually trying to hold it? Because from what I could tell you guys had no real prescense in the zone. We WILL engage and fight you if we see you in NSP borderlands. What we will not do is come to your borderlands and take supply camps/towers/keeps from you when you are actually making a real effort to take back your stuff.

So yeah, if I see one of your raiding parties in NSP flipping objectives I WILL engage you for the fight unless its clear to me you are doing more than farming karma in the zone (taking back your tower, keep, etc)

I was commanding at the time and I don’t feel we wronged you in any way.

The Skritt are my favorite, I wish I could roll one.
Least favorite has to be harpies, they are simply kitten and need to be wiped from the face of Tyria.

jester.1083:

Thank you Borlis Pass, I am having a great time going back and forth on your borderlands garrison tonight. You guys bring the fight. Much respect.

o7

Thank you NSP for the good fights. My guild had fun raining down terror on your two trebs at the garrison and many great skirmishes at the northeast supply camp (though you guys ultimately overwhelmed us there)

So Anvil Rock, feel like trying to do something your own borderlands or NSP instead of double teaming us on Borlis?

Seemed like most of tonight a 30 man group including a guild named ToF were taking our supply camps and generally hitting us from a second direction on our borderlands and by proxy assisting NSP siege our garrison.

While we love fighting you guys, do you really not see who the common enemy is here? I am not even talking about score at this point (nor do I personally give a kitten about it). But seriously, this is beyond counterproductive to both of us.

Magic Find booster has been useless since the first DR loot implementation, nothing new here.

Stop buying boosters, speak with your wallet.

Daedalus.3954:

Unlimited has 60 people, with a guild requirment of 25+ hours a week minimum. Your claims against ‘hardcore players’ are baseless. We have, after 30 something days the game has been out, max upgrade rank of everything based on that play. Even if what you say is true, those upgrades are not gamebreakers, as they weren’t intended to be. You don’t NEED them.

Its not the other upgrades, its the guild bank.

Daedalus.3954:

Sundial.9015:

HabibLoew.2590:

Good luck Fubuki! All of us who work on WvW are pulling for you.

Kaineng consistently has the best queue situation of any NA server so it seems like an obvious win for any guilds looking to play together. I hope that your PR efforts continue to pay off!

Not if they want to keep their guild upgrades (Not all guilds are WvW only)

Upgrades are very easy to get. When you have active players Influence comes in like hot cakes to fat kids. That’s not an issue, nor should it be if you’re driven. All that is, is a cop-out and an excuse. In my opinion, of course.

Well for my casual guild of about 60 people it was enough that we wouldn’t even consider it. Without guesting there is no way to build up influence before transferring and while still playing with our PvE players who would be most effected by the move.

Not every guild out there is extremely hardcore with a 100% PvP focus and hundreds of members with 8+ hours to play a day. My guild did consider transferring to one of the underdog servers a while back but this is what it came down to.

HabibLoew.2590:

Good luck Fubuki! All of us who work on WvW are pulling for you.

Kaineng consistently has the best queue situation of any NA server so it seems like an obvious win for any guilds looking to play together. I hope that your PR efforts continue to pay off!

Not if they want to keep their guild upgrades (Not all guilds are WvW only)

AFIAK Borlis Pass is just starting to get organized. Before a few days ago, I didn’t hear one word from our server on any of the GW2 forums or even mentioned anywhere outside of the game. We just got on the radar and need time to learn to cooperate between many of our guilds. Yes, things were extremely zergish and unorganized in the beginning but we are making progress. People need to give these things time, they don’t happen overnight or without sacrifice.

As for Anvil Rock, my guild (HoM) raiding groups will try and stay out of your camps and will keep the pressure on NSP, of course I cannot speak for anyone else.

“I don’t know whats the situation on your side BP, but since yesterday I always get the outmanned buff in every borderland. It’s gonna be hard to come back)”

Yep, gotta love that out manned buff.