well Zumy isn’t farming but trading so if he knows how to do it, he really can easily do that.
I just don’t want to stand in front of the TP and abuse other players (who are silly enough to buy instantly instead of setting a buy order).
Guys, this whole TP-trading crap is just possible because some people buy instantly and waste much money.
I hope there will come a change with the new guild missions. Maybe a higher chance in a final chest. Otherwise I will need another 3 months to get my precursor, assuming that the prices won’t increase^^
Dude you got 5 precursors dropped, of course you don’t see a problem. But most people out there didn’t get one, although playing as much as you.
Just think about it, if everyone would get that many precursors, would the prices be that high?
For example: I killed a few hundred dragons already and got 1 exotic of the chest.
I am a Wv3 player but never got a exotic dropped in Wv3.
I’d love another of these events, but maybe the guild missions will be a solution to the precursor question. If there is a nice drop-chance, it really could work.
And with nice drop-chance I mean something like 0,5%. A higher chance would flood the market.
I don’t anyone wants to pay 700g. But we just have to, because there is so much demand, that the sellers can do such prices. If the droprate would be higher, these prices weren’t possible, so Anet controls the prices somehow.
I mean, the producer of a game always controls everything, because he can change it the way he wants.
Of course their aim is not to influence the market, that’s why the prices go up and this aim is mostly really good, but in my view if a situation like this arises they have to react.
I’m not whining and I finished it, so in fact any change wouldn’t help me. I did it for dungeon master, but I’m WvW player.
And yes if you are informed it helpes, but sometimes you need to get hit by some skills until you know how to behave.
So what you’re telling me is that there are aspects just hardcore gamers shall be able to finish?
Well that’s exactly what I don’t think.
Everything should be possible for everyone in an acceptable time, hardcore gamers are just faster than others.
sorry, but if you’re doing it the first time, it can easily take 4h.
Okay maybe my group wasn’t a really good group, but it takes time, until you know when what happens and how you do it best.
And dude, there are people out there who don’t have that much time. This is a game, not your life. Everyone should be able to do it.
And don’t get me wrong, I was really proud when we finally killed her, because it was a though fight. I do understand your point, that it is a challenge and in fact one of the only real challenges existing in this game in PvE.
The point is: In my view a challenge like this shouldn’t be in a game with a few millions casual players – just like the precursors shouldn’t be that expensive.
Nike you said it yourself: The Exchange system follows explicit rules → rules which Anet set. So by setting them they control the market. The know the average time players play, so they can set it the way they want.
If they decide that they want a higher price, they just can reduce the drop rate, if the price shall drop, just increase the drop rate.
That’s what they did with Runestones, they invented the new bags. More drops in the same time.
sorry, but it wasn’t expectable that precursors would change that hard.
And as we can see by the Karka event, Anet doesn’t want precursors at 600g+.
The problem is, they won’t tell us what they are planning (except the scavenger hunt which will come sometime) because they don’t want to influence the market.
And what does very long term mean for someone who is working for the legendary about 1-2h a day? Is it half a year or a year?
In my view half a year is very long term in a game.
I’d like to say a few words to the scavenger hunt.
Guys, you always say, you want it hard. But does hard mean? Is it a 1v1 Battle? Thiefs would love that. Or is it, that many mobs are attacking you? This could be quite easy for ele. It’s always the problem, the classes have different advantages, so you have to do all as easy that it is possible for each class → not that hard anymore.
I guess it will be something which takes much time, but isn’t that hard. Or it is no solo instance, then it could be really hard.
Do you consider Arah p4 hard? A friend of mine killed Dwayna in 5 mins^^
I’d be interested in the numbers for The Lover. I see maximum 1 sold to offers and maybe 3-4 bought from sellers a week.
Is that true, or am I just too blind to see it?
well, I don’t think that there would be still that much complains if the scavenger hunt would be implemented, because there is a way to finish the legendary.
I don’t care whether it takes 1 month. The hunt is something where you can get what you need with 100% certainty and without farming all day and night. That’s what I’m waiting for. But until this is released I think we have a reason to complain.
And yeah it’s true: Everyone can get a precursor, because there will be a time when demand and offer will be equal. But is it really intended to farm until you can’t remember what was fun in that game? Apparently not, because Anet itself posts, that they are monitoring the situation.
I think the basis of all those discussions is: Who of the player base should be able to get a Legendary.
On the one hand there are Vol., Ursan and Goldi, who say they should just be available for the most hardworking players.
On the other hand there are players like me, who started with their legendary a long time ago, when we had no idea how it would develop and who are now sitting on their gifts without precursors. And so we can’t understand why we shouldn’t get our legendary after we spent many hundreds of hours working for the gifts.
Well in fact, I can totally unterstand guys like Vol., but it’s not my opinion.
And as long as Anet doesn’t give a statement about who shall be supposed to get a legendary the discussions will go on.
John Smith, if there isn’t anyone working on the hunt, when can we expect it. It was said not in March, but if you’re still not working on it and it shall be a hug event for everybody, then I doubt that the release will be in May and June either.
well according to the mount of posts in this forum just about precursors, I assume, that most of the normal people out there who hadn’t luck to get a precursor can’t afford it.
Next time you will get a definition of we, if you want.
Maybe you should also try to recognize a hyperbola.
Maybe shocking the market wouldn’t be the worst idea.
It’s already at an abnormal level, so who cares if the answer is negative and the prices go further up?
We can’t afford it now, so worst case is no change^^
just don’t try to do a Legendary until something changed on the precursors. I made that mistake and I’m trying to get one since 2 months, but I can’t catch up with the price → no fun any more.
As the others say, enjoy leveling to lvl 80. Try out the dungeons, World versus World and the PvP. There is much to experience.
And as long as you don’t want a legendary you really don’t need to make huge amounts of money with the trading post.
So just enjoy the game !!!
Good luck and have much fun
lol this is ridicilous the ones who actually play the content and not the TP aren’t able to buy a precursor and get a reward for playing but the ones who just stand in front of the TP are able to do 7 of them. This is no attack on the ones who do this, it is their choice, but it just is a sign (for me) that there is something wrong with this system.
Will there be something in the next patch? I haven’t seen anything in the description, but maybe someone knows more.
“JUST BUY IT” so sweet, I’d love to. Do you want to give me a few hundret gold more? Then I can do it.
What I’d like to know: If you had 0 gold, how long would you need for 600g?
A month ago I did 10g a day, but I’m sorry I thought I needed to do it for 14 days, not for 60. In fact I don’t have time to farm all day.
I finished dungeon master and am lvl 31 fractals, that farming didn’t seem that senseless. I also killed dragons a few hundred times. I’m winning nearly every 1v1 in WvW.
What shall I do, till I deserve a precursor?
In my view precursors shouldn’t be uncommon. Every legendary was in the beginning a normal weapon, until its owner made it legendary by his actions.
And the actions are the gifts (yes we can argue about the gifts being legendary, maybe tokens aso).
By the way, an upper bound really could help, even if it is at 600g, because then you know, you won’t need more than 600g to get it. Nowadays you know, if I had the money now, I’d have to spend 600g, but by the time I reach 600g it could be at 1200g.
i think they should do more events like karka. Even if you don’t get a precursor (like me) the prices would drop in TP and you’d be able to buy it.
So why not control the prices by one event each month.
in my view, get the precursor first. I did the fault that I started with the gifts and now the precursor is high up. It’s just a matter of time till Howl will be used for TP-trade and then it rises soon.
Forget the MF, salvage you’re golden items and sell exotics if they are worthy.
Well, they’re not programming the new way, so it will take at least another half year until anything will be included to the game. I’m already waiting since 2 months for the precursor. At first I was farming because the price was at 140g, then it rose to 340g, at this time I thought, well it will get hard, but I can do that and now … 600g … sorry but I am no hardcore gamer. I needed a few months for every gift. So why don’t I need a few months for the precursor?
It is kind of unbalanced right now, but it is a new game so faults have to be expected. What I didn’t expect was, how long they would need to react at all.
They realised the problem already in November and did the Karka-Event, which was totally right, but since then I didn’t see any great changes to solve the problem.
Cassie, the annoying fact is: the price is absolutley unsteady. Everything else drops that often, that the prices stays pretty the same.
Also: oricchalcum and so on can be farmed. You really get them.
On the other hand, you can farm 1000h and you won’t get a precursor. You need luck to get one.
You see, the chance of getting a t6 mat is maybe 5%, so if you kill 100 mobs it is really uncommon not to get some. But the chance for a precursor is 0.000001% → if you kill 1000000 mobs it is really uncommon to get one.
Do you see the difference?
This is the reason for all those posts about precursors.
And there is a difference between 200g for a gift and maybe 600g for a precursor, but who knows, maybe it is 1200g as soon as you reach 600g.
well, seeing those post just confirms my decision not to gamble, but seriously some of you say they can make 100g a day. So I have to ask: Are you trading precursors or other high priced things? Cause if you are, that is no big deal. It just won’t help people who try to get their precursor and don’t have 1000g.
I’m trying to buy my precursor since 2 months.
2 months ago I needed 250g more and guess what, today I need 300g more. So I farmed really much, but I need even more to buy it from the tp?
This is ridiculous. I won’t be able to buy it ever.
So which choice do I have? Gamble? Yeah we really see how great it works.
There is no monitoring of Anet at all. We will see if something changes with the next update. The last one was a big disappointment.
And if you really want to compare this game with rl, why couldn’t I raise a credit when the precursors were at 100g?
I’m sorry, but watching has no effect. Of course the karka event was part of their monitoring, otherwise the drop rate would have stayed as low as ever.
Which method did I suggest?
What I suggest is, that they want prices below 300g, because at that price they told us, that they want to do something against it.
By the way, by changing the droprate they control the prices on the market.
I don’t know whether TP manipulation really exists and by mentioning it, it always will get discussion about whether or whether not.
But your last point is absolutley true. When will the promised “monitoring” come?
The Karka event was a first try and I am thankful for that, cause it helped many people, although not me. Many were able to finish there legendarys and ended there frustration.
But there has to change something. They need to try more.
I think everyone would be calmer if we would see, that they at least try to handle the situation.
Well a 20% chance would be also luck to get one, but the prices would drop. So yeah, sounds nice.
My idea was, complete dungeon master (doesn’t give a reward yet, but explorer does????)
+ maybe lvl 30, 40 or whatever in fractals
of course it is my fault (no sarcasm)
but the question is, whether Anet wants a Legendary just be available for people who farm day and night.
And sorry guys, that’s all we are discussing about. There is no right or wrong answer of any of you except for the admins. Otherwise we wouldn’t need to discuss^^
The precursors really are fun blockers. I really had fun playing WvW. Then about 4 months ago I decided to go for a legendary. Precursors weren’t expensive, so I thought, I start with the expensive parts – the 3 gifts. A New Years Eve I finished my gifts. My precursor was at 140g, so I thought, I can do that in 3 weeks. 3 weeks later, I had over 140g but the price was at 300g. Well I just went on farming for a while, but right now? I can’t play the game anymore. This precursor is like a bad taste as soon as I start the game.
I mean, the finish line was already in sight and then just took up speed.
Of course some say, Legendarys have to stay rare.
But do you really think anyone will start the game any more, if he knows, that some contents are just available for the ones who do hardcore gaming AND started half a year ago^^
I just hope Anet will react soon.
well I think this time I was the one to say: I did it the hard way so everyone else shall have to do the same. Sorry guys, you are totally right. 4 hours fighting really sucked, just like I am trying to get a precursor since 2 months^^
Sometimes one needs a push to realise the truth
In fact I just wanted to show, that there really is something wrong with the precursors.
There are some many guys telling me, that precursors have the right place.
This 60g were from a post today, someone told me, 60g are easily to do.
It is not my opinion.
In my opinion 600g are too much. If Anet wants a normal player to work for a legendary half a year 200-300g are plenty enough.
This thread was just created to make people think about the relation.
Well Arah p4 is the hardest path in the whole game, I don’t think that it should be easier. It is doable, even with a non-perfect group. I think my group was stuck at Dwayna for like 4 hours, but in the end we we’re coordinated enough so it worked.
Hey guys,
I just thought about the legendarys.
There are many guys who say precursors do have to right price right now.
Well in my view all 4 parts of a legendary should be equally hard.
As a consequence, if precursors have the right price let’s just calculate:
Someone told me 60g a week would be easy.
Well than I as a WvW player say 200 WvW tokens are done at a weekend.
If a precursor is at 600g he needs 10 weeks, so you should need 2000 WvW tokens.
Also the mount of obsidian shards has to be rised. So do the dungeon tokens.
In fact wvw tokens are really easy to earn. 500 a week is possible for everyone, means dungeons tokens should be rised to 5000.
Which would be the consequence of the players who have precursors but still need gifts?
Now they’d be the whining ones.
So either repair the precursor system or rise everything. That would be just fair, because then nobody is underprivileged. The ones who got the gifts first need a precursor which is too expensive to get and the others would need gifts which are also too expensive
hm, that is a real high number, I wonder why the prices don’t drop. I always see the same orders in the AH and the number of offers are always at 10 to 11.
But maybe it’s because GS are wanted by many and this number can’t be taken for the shortbow.
And yeah, controlled is too strong, let’s just call it magnificantly influenced.
They just bought themselves time by the karka event, so there are some who have legendarys, as a consequence less players complain about it. Now they can ignore everyone else.
Maybe this is really the truth.
But in the upcoming updates there is also a event mentioned. Maybe they will try to monitor the market by doing another of those events and bringing other updates to have a better control of the market.
A post of one of the officials would be nice to have. They should do a thread where they just post in specific what they will do in the near future.
well good to know, thanks. So it can be indeed calculated, when a drop chance is pretty high.
Is it also know if magic find works on the mystic toilet?
well, let’s just forget about why prices are that high. There still remains the question, shall prices be that high, that just some ahrdcore farmers can manage to buy them after a few months?
But I think the prices itself aren’t the problem. The problem is the uncertainty: Will precursors at the same price in half a year? Or will they rise further so I won’t be able to buy them then.
I think if they were just sold be a NPC for 500 gold, there would still be complains about it, but not that much as there are right now.
ZudetGambeous.9573 where did you get the information that 9 dusks are sold each day?
Do you know how many lovers are sold too?
well I think it’s all about when you started for your legendary. If you started right with the beginning of the game, you had no problems to get everything you needed. The karka-event helped you to get the precursor if you didn’t get it till then.
But if you started later, like most did, well then it is nearly impossible to get a precursor cause now they are rising to infinity (yes this is exaggeration). I’m collecting since 2 months only for the precursor and I propably won’t get it ever, because with each day more people will finish their gifts and will start farming for the precursors.
So there will be thousands of offers but not more drops than now.
how do you know, that there is a 0.3% chance?
I assume that you’re talking of lvl 80 rares?
By the way, 4 months ago, Linsey Murdock said, that they where monitoring the situation.
So I’d like to know, if they consider 600g for a precursor monitored.
2 offers at the same level doesn’t have the psychological effect as 2 different have. This way many think, there are many normal players who have that much money.
I know a guy who have about 20 Dusks and thousands of gold.
And yes, of course legitimate it is a difference. But we’re talking about influences on the price of precursors. And therefore it doesn’t make any difference who controls the market.
However, I don’t want to fight against you, you can’t disprove what I said. You are just telling me that there is a small chance, that I’m wrong. And yeah, that’s totally true. My thesis is right to a certain probability. And 1 – this probability is the chance that you’re right.
Everyone has to choose what he considers to be more probable
I observe The Lover since 2 months I know what I am talking about.
The arise at the same time and they get dropped at the same time.
No other offer is dropped when they arise.
And if you don’t believe me, there a some threads with evidence already existing, which proof that precursors prices are controlled by a few rich people. Well maybe not all of them are gold sellers, but that doesn’t make any difference to the problems.
@Ursan, if 2 offers which differ 1 copper arise almost at the same time, then they are probably from the same person. Now tell me, why should someone buy 2 shortbows?
Will he equip both? Yeah, that makes sense.
If you can explain me, why someone else than a gold seller should do that, then pls go ahead.
lol, no, that doesn’t make any sense. Gold sellers concentrate on rare things, cause these things are controllable. Also if someone bets 1 copper more for something which drops often, you don’t care, cause you get what you want some seconds later.
But if you wait for something which drops once every few days, you probably rise your own bet.
well, offers for an ecto that differ by 1 copper is a big difference, because they are sold every second.
My statements are just based on experience with The Lover, because that’s the one I need to finish my legendary. In fact, I don’t care whether they control it or not, what I care about is, what Anets plan is. Do they see a problem in the current prices, will there be a change in the near future or will nothing change for the next few months?
In my view, all 4 parts of the precursor should be equally hard, BUT that’s only my view^^
