Guild Wars 2

Syktek.7912:

Ostra.3927:

patricide.1062:

lol @ Kaineng super zerg to take back Hills on KBL. 70+ with 5 omegas. 20 people killed all of your omegas and more than half your forces.

GG though. Only took ya guys 3 hours :P

70+ huh?? looks around must be counting their own because only Ebay and Yaks have those numbers for a zerg

I am going to back you up on this. I have not seen more than thirty Kaineng at once so far this match-up.

Yak’s Bend players, apparently, do not know how to count. Then again, most players do not know how to count.

Eh, you should have been there on Kain BL then, they were relentless, well above 40 trying to hit north hills multiple times and south a few times. Actually at one point some of your [pk] (Some being about 25-30) actually attacked them in front of north hills I believe between 7:30 and 8:30 server-time (11:30 PM to 12:30 AM EST).

I remember this because it was rather surprising and gave me a chance to get some pizza from the fridge and reheat it.

But yes I can say it was unlikely it was 70+, but in no way shape or form was it less than 40.

But who cares about numbers when we got this match-up again! If I could launch fireworks in WvW I would be doing it constantly over my love of this fighting!

Jornosh

Norn Warrior

PariahX.6970:

Skill lag is getting worse because they’ve been fixing it! And every time they do something to fix it a little bit, they up the WvW map population caps and we get even larger battles (seriously the battles I’ve seen over the last 3 weeks are much much bigger than anything we’ve had for the previous 6 months).

So the way for us to feel the effects of all the work those guys have been doing is to lock down the WvW map population caps to something much lower like say where it was back in January after the free server transfers ended and everyone went bat kitten crazy about how awful the queues were. Many threads put the estimate at that time around 60 players per side per WvW map with EB maybe having a higher cap in the 75 range. It is not that we have suddenly gotten better about getting all 60 of our guys in same spot for big keep takes but that there are a whole heck of a lot more of us out there. This is only feeding into the super stack at the top mentality we’ve got going on where everyone is always feeling outnumbered and needs to get more guilds.

Lets go back to queue town and force us to spread our numbers out across the servers so we can have smaller more manageable battles using all our skills instead of just smashing our #1 ability over and over. ><

I actually had an idea of having a slightly lowered cap on every borderland on all sides (around 10 less per side per map) to alleviate the lag on the WvW servers.

The problem is the impact this would have, provided the higher tiers have every map queued they will have an even longer queue, or perhaps get fed up with it and rampage on the forums. It might even get some players to quit all together, a move A-net would rather not have to face. SO…here is my idea.

If they ever were to implement a reduced cap, it would have to come out ahead of time in an announcement. But, if they say…for instance that transferring to a low-medium population server were half-off or even free….

It might be a sleazy move, but considering how imbalanced the populations are right now, looking at the standings the tier 1 servers might not change too much, but T2-T3 servers might get some people coming in while the majority funnel into the lowest brackets, perhaps to servers who DESPARATELY need manpower.

There are probably a lot of other issues that I haven’t addressed with the idea but skill lag and rendering issues would probably be much better off if the cap were reduced even slightly.

First, I USED to run a full zerker GS / Rifle before the patch, the generous amounts of damage and crit made me a target for someone to take down quickly lest I cleave things. But, since the patch I realized I would have to give up quite a lot to maintain those stats, so…I completely revamped my runes and traits, realized I was still severely in the hole for gold (Curse you coffers!) and well I was not able to get everything I wanted.

But, after testing things out I realized I am now far tankier, a bit more substained, and I fell in love with the hammer.

This is what I came up with, and am actively working towards:

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-s;4RK-Q0f4NL-60;9;4J-T9918;21980;05;0Y-k5;2ytbUytbUn-FW0-X5-VYLdt;014273M4R5030CV1N0;4cX9ekW9ew

(Please tell me if the link works, hate to be failing this early.)

I mention I am actively working towards it because I am missing about three-four pieces of ascended gear…yes, I know.

Anyways, you might see some…interesting utility selections. As well as gear selections, so I best explain.

Endure Pain I find to be an effective damage-mitigation tool in WvW as well as soloing, certain burst classes (whom will stay nameless) have openers that stun and then they procede to unleash their full burst in the first few seconds. Most of it is direct damage, and the stance breaks stun…so logic kicked in.

Berserker Stance is actually new to my utility usage. Condition Duration reduction really helps against everything we tediously want to remove, especially THAT. I could dedicate a whole thread to THAT, but I think there are enough on the warrior forums that I won’t discuss it. Anyways the stance acts as a good fuel for my Adrenaline for Earthshaker and Healing Surge in general. I could very well substitute it with something but I am not certain what.

Dolyak Signet! ….Yes, Dolyak Signet. Ever since it was applied a stun-breaker I have been going back and forth between choosing that one and Balanced Stance. This one is actually a toss-up in which is my first question.

- Dolyak Signet or Balanced Stance? With Signet Mastery (I have this for a fair reason) I have a reduced CD on Dol, having a mere 8 seconds longer CD as opposed to 20 seconds when compared to Balanced Stance. There is mobility in Balanced Stance with Swiftness but passive Toughness in Dolyak meshes well with my Defense Trait Armored Attack, giving me just a touch more power and provides a bit more tankiness if a few well-stealthed enemies attack me. I can’t decide though, it is almost interchangable for me.

Signet of Rage. I am not running banner build, on request I might go Warbanner, but Signet of Rage helps my build with the Lyssa Runes proccing every 48 seconds, or saved going into battle.

Anyways, going to what I want to talk about.

- Hammer Sigil: Right now I have Earth (Don’t laugh, it came with it, I am poor). I put down Nullification, boon removal sounds nice but I wonder if you guys have any other ideas?

- Accessories: I have plenty of Crit Damage, am I right to think I would benefit from more toughness, or should I get more berserker?

- Food: I have no idea what food we should be running these days. Any ideas?

Lastly, since you are all being courteous to review my choices, I will answer any questions about my experiences thus far with this build. My biggest joy is with the Lyssa set which provides an impressive condition removal and every boon for a couple seconds. I find myself engaged in a substained fight and I do end up using this again and again, alongside Healing Surge I do fairly well and it will come down to skill on who makes a mistake first. Something I really could not do before…

I did look into the Warrior’s Sprint, but I find myself mobile enough already between my Greatsword and Swiftness from Signet of Rage which tends to be up more often than not.

So, what do you guys think? Yes? No? Cookies?

Thanks for taking the time to kitten.

- Jornosh

Oh I know, I was just being an kitten.

I wouldn’t even begin to imagine how the match-up would go down let alone how the forums would erupt…

Oh god…

azizul.8469:

a close match up is never a boring match up……

CD/YB/EBay/Mags/Kain match up will always bring a close match up i think, and very interesting ones…..

So what you are saying is….

We need a WvWvWvWvW map…

….Oh god the head-aches.

This is now a thread of love.

Love one another!

You can tell the love from all these posts that the servers have for one another.

I like looking on the brighter side in terms of the point totals, another fairly even match, no real big disparities at all, lots of fighting and good ol’ times.

Also its not a good idea to play a game where you take a shot anytime you let one of your golems die each during a failed attempt at taking a keep. You E-Bay…have given me many a hangover.

Jinks.2057:

koopatroopa.5360:

Archer.1658:

koopatroopa.5360:

Archer.1658:

koopatroopa.5360:

Archer.1658:

koopatroopa.5360:

Dan.2940:

Elochai.1280:

Dan.2940:

koopatroopa.5360:

Dan.2940:

koopatroopa.5360:

Archer.1658:

koopatroopa.5360:

EFWinters.5421:

YB population consists of 50% thieves?

90% of the people I run into solo are thieves.

Archer.1658:

Why is it when I kill a yak or kain repeatedly they call in their whole guild? /sigh..

LOL Coming from GF this is pretty funny. Roam with 8 guildies when you die solo much?

You sound mad for some reason. I ran into a few CT engies today, did I kill you? :/

Pretty sure I’m the only CT engi running around, and no, sadly, you didn’t. Watching you claim to solo with guildies behind you is funny though. Don’t confuse being mad to laughing hysterically. Seeing my /laugh emotes at your attempts would prove that much.

I don’t/never have claimed to be awesome, but the only person that has impressed me from your guild is an asura thief. We had good fights, and the only one that made me nervous.

Sadly any other attempt to 1v1 someone else in your guild results in a few others joining in when the heat is on. A shame really.

I’m not sure that it was so smart to admit you got bested by a thief running the CT build. Running any form of tanky build is firstly annoying and mainly only used by people who can’t survive playing a normal build (Ex. BM rangers, Tank Mesmers)… Due to the CT’s build being mainly used as a burst retaliator, and as thieves are 90% of the time burst.. you just made yourself look stupid :/

Look at my guild name. Who is looking stupid?

My bad, didn’t notice that, taking the context for what it was I assumed it was a build, then I looked at your previous message posts and saw that you run the tank cat build, and for some reason refer to it as CT instead of TC… Nonetheless, assuming you still use that build, and can’t kill a thief, you still look stupid as hell, good day sir!

Bro! Stop digging. He’s referring to his guild tag. His guild is crimethink. Their tag is CT.

Dude, I just said that I realized his tag is CT but I thought he was referring to a build since (in his message history) he says that he runs a “tank cat” engi build, reason I’m calling this kid out is because he seems to like to trash talk people on my world.

I ran tank cat build…. 5 months ago. Did you even look at the time of that post?

And I only talk smack to people who are full of themselves and can’t back up their claims.

I am a hero.

-> I am better than you
-> I can back this up
-> I win.
-> I’m a hero.

I’m so good roaming solo.
Run to guildies.
Run with guildies.
I’m so good roaming solo.

I can do it too.

sigh We could end this little feud with a duel, if you would oblige.

If I wasn’t at work, I would. We had many chances to have this duel however, assuming you are the female mesmer I consistantly run into (with the Dispossessed title I think?).

That’s not me dude LOL. I have champion slayer title, with shiny fractal capictor.

Good to know! There’s a few female mesmers in your guild so its difficult to keep tabs, but now I know. If you see a human darting for you with twin jade pistols, its not personal… well maybe it is LOL.
/Grumbles about not being able to see enemy names

Didn’t you turn down Cookies for a duel?

All this talk and you refuse a duel…..wtf?

I think it’s at the stage where a time and place haven’t been set yet or something like that. On that note it would be of great interest if they actually posted the location and date so I can start selling various dozens of treats I got from those coffers there!

The moment they ever make a popcorn food though…

(I actually had another thought concerning this is all just angry love for one another, because you know…)

Man you are so right. What we need is something fresh, a new kind of creature. It should just invade Lion’s Arch…oh maybe from the ocean! Let’s see…it should be tough to kill and not die the first time around….

Boottspurr.9184:

I’m a solo roaming WARRIOR!

… don’t laugh.

They might laugh now, but when we get those sweeping buffs then we will see who laughs! THE TIME OF THE WARRIORS WILL COME!

And…

2100 Coffers…

I got one!

FINALLY! Oh god RNG almost broke my spirit, but it is true! Money (or in this case around 75g) will bring you happiness!

Going to have to sell every coffer from now on to make back all that cash…but at least I finally beat the RNG.

FINALLY…

Just went up to 2010 coffers without a single ticket now.

Man I am reaching a whole new exclusive club now, turning quickly into an outlier!

…

Why does it shave my beard?

I am a proud Norn, with a brilliant and hearty crimson beard.

I thought to add the rather impressive dragon helm and make myself look rather something fierce…and noticed a crippling effect. Arenanet, what hath you done?!

I have added before and after shots, and I am not the only one experiencing this but some Charr have been getting issues with their assorted horns or ears…

Please remedy this ASAP!

Oh I like the event, I just wish I could have the luck of some guy who really hates the jade ticket he got on his 34th coffer or something small.

Quikmix.2518:

171.1K
170.0K
171.3K

Does it get better than this? kudos to everyone playing this week.

Indeed, I don’t think it could be a closer match-up. EVER.

Show me another match-up where thursday evening has the point totals within 3k of each other.

LOVE IT FOLKS, LOVE IT!

So, I think I just joined the club, at 1153 coffers and only about 12 minis and enough taffy to put Wonka to shame.

Still, if this lasts a month I pray I get blessed with one ticket…JUST ONE, I want the Greatsword darn it!

Diggin the music going on here. However….

I prefer soothing tunes during these times.

Space Lion – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKnVaDwUg5s

Gives atmosphere, though I can go for some low-key jazz.

Keep calm, collected and focus.

So uh…too late for a Bender to say hi or uh…good fighting this week?

Kalthea.4326:

Here’s a couple ideas that I think would help to even out a lot of troubles in Warriors:

This is exactly the kind of thing I was looking for.

Although I don’t typically run the axe WW and prefer the mobile GS WW (axe does more damage over time but the burst of GS is quite good) I can agree with the sentiment that seems a bit small around the Warrior.

Shouts are a bit tricky, I actually like ‘Fear Me’ when it works due to the absolutely nice amount of disruption it brings. When not in a single roaming scenario and in a group setting, it lines up for either a good defensive tool or “RAWR COMING FROM BEHIND RUN AHAHAHA” on every squishy on the back of an enemy zerg. Seen some terrifying Hammer Warriors that know that shout well…But yes I agree Shake it off is almost required, and probably the highest used for Warrior PvP.

I agree with every point about our Elite skills you made. The thing about Rampage and other Tranformation skills is that they strip away your escapes or tools for a different set of skills. If they wanted to really make transformations worth while, why not give them extensive boons during the duration? It might actually be worthwhile to apply Protection, Regeneration, Might, Stability, and other Warrior melee-friendly boons for the entire duration, it is a long elite CD and it cripples your other utilities, give us something back!

Burst skills need an overhaul. Still working out what exactly, but plenty of warriors have made threads across this forum related to bursts, I won’t go into too much detail. Hundred Blades as a Burst seems like a neat idea provided they balance out…onto your next point the Traits. (Actually I flipped these two points, sorry!)

Traits aren’t actually my biggest concern, they could be a tool for Arenanet to balance us but overall I can personally live with certain specs that I like to play to. But, as I said this is a ‘Truth’ thread, Traits are probably underwhelming in some regards.

And lastly…Well, at this point the mere thought of warrior bugs provokes unspoken rage-ajkdlas;hhjhdasfl;kjdahsfjsaklhfsadfasdfjsajflk

GAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!

User has flipped desk violently

Continued from Above

Nice third point, the whole Ad hominem adds enough flavor to make that bullkitten, but I will bite. I did not once, flame in my post. I was expressing a question, and contrary to what I wanted which was good conversation and perhaps other Warriors talking about problems with the Profession, you instigate that because I think there is something wrong with the class that I must suck ergo I am wrong. Sorry but No. That is far from any truth, although if I made the contention at this point that you suck at comprehending that might be more closer to the truth. I urge you to rethink your position, or continue to flame me or whatever.

Your next point was because the utilities and traits are bugged, that I should just…ignore them? We should all just ignore them?! Switch to SIGNETS?! Oh…oh my. You clearly aren’t a warrior, or one that hasn’t seen enough fighting yet-

Wait…I see.

“Go…do…….flipping………..1vs1s GUY! That’s what warriors are for.”

Great guys! We did it, Warriors have a role in this game. Awesome, how wrong was I in assuming we amounted to any of the aspects of the game Arenanet wanted all their professions to aspire to.

You know, I really, really wanted to take your points seriously, but as I read more and more I saw nothing. There was no value in your post other than the waste of my time and brainpower. You haven’t seen enough, you haven’t seen ‘Fear Me’ MISS a target yet, you haven’t considered the problems with Banners and the potential for growth of a mechanic that could easily be one of the greatest things for a warrior (See some of the suggestions, I can really dig the banner on the back of a Warrior)!

I urge you to play your warrior far more. Come back when you have a better opinion rather than that drivel. Sorry about being harsh but that was very painful to read. It hurts us when Warriors ignore certain things, hell I wouldn’t be surprised if Arenanet is holding back on fixing bugs because there isn’t enough outcry.

Vatras.2806:

At first I thought this was an engineer flaming about the best PvE and sPvP-duel class in the game. I played on my warrior for about 700 hours now, so I’m in a position, to dissect your post:

Go try sPvP. I now played 150 matches on my warrior, and they are great at killing people in sPvP, where you will win every 1vs1 (elementalists excluded). Warriors might not be that versitile in WvW, but search for a zerg, take your GS out, press 3 and 2 and collect your loot.

Go to sPvP and defend B-spot. Bunker builds on a warrior aren’t that good in generals. Take your GS, go 20/30/0/10/10 and do some damage. What’s what warriors are designed for.

Just to clarify: You are the one, who is flaming, so you suck. There are tons of guys playing warriors, and just a small part of them suck, as do you

GO AND USE SOME OTHER BUILD, kitten !! Frenzy works fine, Endure pain works fine, the signets (Singet of Rage’s passive excluded) work fine, all shouts work fine, just Bolas and Bull’s Charge are a bit off, but by far not unusable.

Go…do…….flipping………..1vs1s GUY! That’s what warriors are for. You can hit upto 3 targets so make something out of that.

Conclusion: If you suck on your warrior, go play some other class. There are stil 7 remaining. Noone forces you to play warrior and suck at it.

Right, congrats. You might be the first person in this thread whose every point I highly disagree with. In fact, not just myself but many others as well that wish for warriors to not be in the spot they are at right now, quite literally the VERY bottom of the heap.

Yep I said it, Warriors are the lowest class, who only really shine in PvE. And by shine I mean play correctly in a fairly easy setting without the depth of Player versus Player of which every encounter could be different instead of scripted ‘you know what’s coming’.

First Point you made, “Warriors are great in sPvP” the problem with what you said, the biggest thing is the amount of matches you have played. See, you should really know this but every character starts out in the lowest ranking, where ‘new players’ and ‘experienced players’ meet. Greatsword believe it or not is heavily binary and although the build could easily stomp newbies who haven’t picked up on the amount of damage that sword could bring…eventually once you play about another couple hundred games, you start to notice it gets harder to even pull off a full 100b. ‘Oh well get better then!’ Yea true, but why do I have to play with checkers when thieves, elementalists and mesmers play with chess pieces? The analogy being that they get far more tools to work with while that greatsword build you rely on has one or two very important things to happen, a snare or a stun. And by god do other classes have stronger condition removal…

Oh, and if you don’t agree with me, try here. I am not alone.

Your second point shows something interesting, that you heavily favor us being a damage class compared to running the bunker. Again, I refer back to my first response, Greatsword losses effectiveness as you reach better players, better mechanics on other professions. Again, take another look on that thread, you might be surprised.

To Be Continued Below

First, would like to thank CD and EB for fantastic fights this week. The score is much more contested than other times and tiers we have all eventually been a part of. And rather than specify specific guild tags from each whom I can name and acknowledge, I will say that everyone from the sole yak escort to the stark defender of a keep or tower, to the raiders that never stop pressing. Everyone did fantastic, heck, I bet everyone has videos just aching to be put online somewhere, this was a good matchup!

Second, YB amigos…if I look carefully, we seem to be moving to T3…

I…I don’t think I am ready for this…

Are we ready for this? :X

CookMETEnder.7582:

Sykper.6583:

CookMETEnder.7582:

After reading your post, I honestly think you’re just bitter that you can’t play the warrior the way You want to play it.

I do just fine, but I’m simply limited to certain roles.
As long as I stay within those limits, I do very well.

A bit of a misinterpretation, but I will bite.

Sure, I am bitter. But not better because I am not playing the Warrior I like to play. I am bitter because of the various things holding back the warrior. I don’t think the warrior class should be hitting every single role, but be kitten if they can’t at least get the roles they can do right!

I can live playing a few roles, I just can’t live with those roles having utilities bugged to the point of uselessness. The feeling of a clutch Battle Standard full rez on downed allies during a push to win a fight is quite nice. The feeling of ‘Fear Me’ MISSING, not immunity an enemy in immediate proximity, oh that really makes me bitter. I am a bit surprised you find us ‘fine’.

Yes, this is a bit of a vent, but you can’t really say we are in an OK state when half our skills fail on the functioning standpoint, can you?

I never said I find the current state of warriors fine 0_0…..
I said I do fine… xD

Ah, well yes, I do agree that it is quite annoying when skills malfunction..

Oh…

MOVING ON- <Sweeps under rug>

Anyways, yea, I don’t think we all took on the warrior as far as we did for granted. I probably expected something far more than having half my skills negated by their own malfunction rather than get outplayed.

As someone who wants to be up in your face with a greatsword, like how Barzah loves the boomstick (I run rifle for the same reason, it’s really nice single target destruction. Top that with a Superior Sigil of Flame, everyone burns AHAHAHHAHA……ahem…), I find out my bolas and charge work maybe half the time when I really need to use them. Especially to prevent pesky professions who know how to disengage and come back in perfectly from doing so…

Just…Just fix us, please! It’s supposed to be fun when in a struggle, not a struggle to have fun!

CookMETEnder.7582:

After reading your post, I honestly think you’re just bitter that you can’t play the warrior the way You want to play it.

I do just fine, but I’m simply limited to certain roles.
As long as I stay within those limits, I do very well.

A bit of a misinterpretation, but I will bite.

Sure, I am bitter. But not better because I am not playing the Warrior I like to play. I am bitter because of the various things holding back the warrior. I don’t think the warrior class should be hitting every single role, but be kitten if they can’t at least get the roles they can do right!

I can live playing a few roles, I just can’t live with those roles having utilities bugged to the point of uselessness. The feeling of a clutch Battle Standard full rez on downed allies during a push to win a fight is quite nice. The feeling of ‘Fear Me’ MISSING, not immunity an enemy in immediate proximity, oh that really makes me bitter. I am a bit surprised you find us ‘fine’.

Yes, this is a bit of a vent, but you can’t really say we are in an OK state when half our skills fail on the functioning standpoint, can you?

Personally run the generic GS/Rifle Glass Build. I have gotten quite used to knowing and abusing GS 3 and 5 to go in or retreat (Always find it fun to escape with 5, really positional but good speed to run with). When going my banner I simply run MaceHorn/Rifle, though I have had to touch on Longbow for the ranged instead for sieges. I run mace purely for the devilish power of dazing an opponent, seems to be the only thing that stops a spinning thief trying to kill my yaks. With in banner I enjoy running three banners and a shout, it imo is probably the most useful utility you could run on a warrior…the only utility though

I would rather not go ranged build, but it wouldn’t be too hard to switch with my current gear (currently at 60% Crit Damage and around 48% Crit Chance, plenty of power, even more so with stacks). I have just a tiny bit of Toughness and Vit to fine-tune the edges and slightly longer survival in zerg v zerg scenarios (Noting from T3hsanny’s gear he has significantly more crit damage, but I can see the vit difference).

Yes, I realize that there are terrific warriors. But I disagree, I don’t think Warriors have quite their place yet, they could use many Quality of Life changes and bug fixes. And rather than ignoring this and posting ‘classy’ like Lighter I would rather hear back from the Warrior community whether they agree with you in full or not. I just see the utility of other Professions far more prevalent and useful inherantly without even speccing for it than with us, who have to dedicate to a build that ultimately eliminates most of our combat potential to gain that same utility.

Let me emphasis that despite what might be said here I will always continue to play my Warrior, he’s grown on me and being my first GW2 character, you can get the drift

Lay it on me folks. I try to deny it, but without a doubt do I get this feeling of…an underwhelming performance in any PvP scenario. I go back and forth between support banner warrior, and being a nigh-unkillable annoyance that buffs the crap out of any group or force I am a part of. I also prefer the Greatsword (Disclaimer: I have done every weapon in the game in various settings for the warrior, I just can’t get over the capability and mobility of a greatsword, nuff said) if I want to kittenage. I adjust my traits constantly, shifting to more vitality, or going glass, it really doesn’t matter though.

My thing is that I can’t help but feel like Warriors sort of…what’s the delicate term. Screw it, Warriors are brutes, we don’t care.

I get the impression that amongst the Professions we are near the bottom of the heap. We suck. PERIOD.

Let me say something before you proceed to shout at me…<snickers>.

Over the course of using many warrior abilities, from weapons to utilities to elites I find a rather surprising amount of them in a pitiful state. Either they bug constantly, don’t function as they should, frightfully put us in harm’s way without an escape (Why the hell does it feel like every other class has better mechanics to deal with in the event of a ‘retreat’ scenario?), or are outclassed by better abilities on a different profession?

I guess this is the truth I want, answer these questions my fellow warriors, please:

- Where is our Utility in WvW or SPvP?
- Do any of the following utilities anger you in some manner: Throw Bolas, Bull’s Charge, Berserker Stance, Kick, Stomp, Banners, Shouts? If you have a real grievance about one of them want to talk about it?
- What about our elite abilities? Seriously, do any of them really match up to any other profession?
- What do you suppose is the likelihood of Arenanet potentially solving any of the bugs for Warriors?

God, I don’t want us to be handed a cakewalk of a profession in terms of destroying, but every time I have ‘obstructed’ with throw bolas on an open plain, Bull’s Charge has me dashing in place only to miss the target, when I realize utilities like Stomp have very few specializations, and banners don’t have nearly as much range as they should considering the quality of the good provided…

Just tell me. Serious Warrior to Warrior talk.

Sigh

The day Arenanet implements some sort of dueling will be a good one.

Frankly, anytime a single player starts to burn bridges of conversation and reason with “Well let’s fight club, that’ll prove who is right” doesn’t help. Archer I can understand the frustration of being ‘run over’, flowing between doing my own thing on the small scale to running with a large-scale group, to solo yak escorts and solo quags/ogres/dredge or whatever I tend to do it all. Frankly, I don’t see how it would be reasonable to suggest roaming or fight club to prove your point…which is the suggestion that all of YB has poor character.

Actually that makes almost zero sense, especially in the confines of a single thread do you make such a judgment. I don’t hold your actions or words in this thread as the entirety of what your server is capable of, I respect any opponent (trying to think of an instance of my err, nothing is coming to mind atm) and bringing a negative tone to a friendly competitive thread like this does nothing but cause flaming and negativity.

So, I humbly ask not just you but others here from all servers to stop, be respectiful and civil. Cease the retorts and blantant spam. Take it to another new thread somewhere else, perhaps label it ‘Challenge <insert so and so>’.

Back to the actual discussion, I find it interesting seeing a stronger presence from EB during the weekdays, just an observation nothing more. The score is also really tight as well, keep it up all sides!

- Jornosh, YB Warrior

SCREEEEEEEEECCCCCCHHHH

Hold on, stop. Stop right now.

Stopping this right here, this ‘OG complaining’ idea. That is for a completely different thread, this is the YB/CD/Ebay thread for 2/15 if I recall. There should be plenty of other threads that are relevant, and before this goes all sorts of crazy, let’s keep this pertaining to the current matchup.

Aka, putting the foot down, if you want to draw out competition for any guild, do it somewhere else.

Thank you.

- Jornosh, trying to be civil here!

Oh yes, digging the Warrior Group play there.

Curious, is it because you are in a group that you run the shout and balanced stance as opposed to bola and…albeit very buggy bull’s charge?

Just wondering if its a preference thing.

Ah, the start of a new week, and a new server has joined us from the previous tier.

Already I see the flames of….flaming going on, this won’t do! We must be civil, polite and kind! Ergo, I have brought you a cup of coffee EB and CD, this is a long weekend for myself in particular (Lincoln’s Day being observed ^.^) so I expect perhaps great fighting in this week.

Let’s keep civilized friends!

- Jornosh, YB Warrior prone to disasters.

loneknight.8425:

It suddenly dawned on me that CD has a strong presence at WvW last evening (GMT+8, 14 Feb) is either due to having understanding bf/gf, or lack of one

…excuse me while I walk off a cliff in a golem…

P.S. For the lucky folks who have dinner date, Happy Valentines Day ^^

I too have noticed from the YB side that our presence fell significantly overall…

WE MUST PRESS ON FRIEND…

I agree on most of Lordelel’s points, but in both cases where servers have a true oceanic presence and not enough US Primetime or vice versa, the mere concept of all the hard work to fight that day and lose the night (from the prespective of the stronger attacker at that time) due to a LACK of presence is well, ultimately a debilitating and demoralizing concept that shouldn’t just be pushed aside as ‘Get over it.’

This isn’t just pertaining to this matchup, but all matchups like this where a server has a true presence in only one timezone, but severely lacks in other areas that make their efforts feel at waste. Boy, if there were some way plausible for the three contesting servers to shift guilds around to have more even grounds in all timezones to truly give everyone a fight at any time of the day…Ah the ideal…

But…there is a whole stew of issues with that plan, and this isn’t the thread to talk about server balance.

From what I was told, this was a very civil thread. We must be quite sophisticated here, I presume?

loneknight.8425:

lol, it’s not love, but mutual respect for each other

I believe I have already determined what we all have here in the last week… :P

You know, I am still in a bit of a shock at the civility in this thread.

It is very common for a competitive thread between servers to turn ugly at the slightest notion of unsportsmanlike conduct or flaunting, and yet when something that would cause a multiple page spiral downwards to thread-locking…

People become humble and reasonably calm, no finger pointing especially at this tier…

So…what I am trying to say is…

Henrik.7560:

Yak’s, Crystalers, just chill this week after getting your heads ripped off and spat down your neck by kaineng and maguuma (as im sure they would have done), you guys can take it easy with SBI, they lost a lot of people too.
Should be a good match, aren’t Yaks and CD like brothers? :P

…Cough

Something like that.

- Jornosh Bro.

A Final Haiku for this week:

After so much rage,
And screaming we need something.
…..a Muffin Button.

Mortalitas.9710:

As the only member from my guild that post on the forms I would just like to say that last nights assault on Yaks BL was a coordinated effort of many of mags finest guilds. Yes we got transfers the guilds where listed above, but that does not take away from what Mag is or strives to be.

I don’t diminish the skill levels of the guilds of any server unless I specifically say it, I, and others know of Magumma’s top guilds and just how good they are. My only complaint bar anything else is the still ongoing belief that Yak’s Bend has godly amounts of players everywhere at once. The irony of this is that our wish is to in fact have such amounts, and sadly once paid transfers have set in, the recruitment for everyone will sharply diminish. With that said however I am not as bitter as I make myself out to be, rather we Yaks have gotten along fairly well when dealing with higher population servers. To that end I won’t stop fighting, and neither should anyone else.

Let’s roast, blungeon, cut up, impale, annilate, and decimate each other to our heart’s content! Fight on Yaks, Magumma and Isle of Janthir!

MeamYee.9635:

GuardianOMS.8067:

May I have a haiku that summarizes everything you just said?

I’m from Yak’s Bend zzzz
Our zergs have tactics, I swear.
We have the small pop!

And now we must have a debate whether ‘zzzz’ is more than one syllable, I mean you do kinda have to keep the sound going in which it repeats itself-

Kyrime.6958:

Yak’s Bend loves zerging
Despite what they claim to be
Also, ballistas

I feel some sort of irony here, if anything I would take that conjecture more seriously from IoJ…whom I must say I feel for you guys, sorry about whatever might have happened to cause the events. I really hope you can recover ;_;

Oh, and I am so stealing that last line, because now I believe every argument should end with ‘Also Ballistas’.

AKASHOTGUNNOBLITZ.

GuardianOMS.8067:

May I have a haiku that summarizes everything you just said?

Hmm….

Friday only night,
Yak’s bend has queue every map.
Why think we so big?

Ngh…wish I could do multiple haikus…

But just off the top of my head for that one, not too shabby.

dreztina.4820:

Great, for once you don’t outnumber your opponents, congratulations. Doesn’t change the fact that YB has the most unbreakable herd mentality I have encountered in this game. There are zero roamers. Zero solos. Anyone by themselves is running to the zerg, and if you try to fight them, the zerg will come to them. If you start a 1v1 with someone from YB, by the end you’ll still be solo, but there will be swords on the map.

Now, I’m sure some kitten will say ‘oh well lrn 2 wvw,’ but it has nothing to do with wvw, because that same zerg will drop what they are doing and ignore all objectives to chase said solo from one end of the map to the other.

I don’t know how one server ended up so completely zerg minded, but YB could be the lowest pop server in the game and they’d still make sure they never fought a fight where they didn’t have a numbers advantage.

For reference, I bolded and underlined parts that from a solo yaker perspective (well, more half and half, it really varies) that I feel are incorrect or are correct and we are still in the process of disciplining ourselves not to do.

Look, the prospect of WvWvW was entire guilds or pugs coming together on a server to face off against other servers for dominance in relatively large-scale maps. Fights break out everywhere on multiple fronts, from the lowly supply yak escort to castle raids on many sides. If a server wasn’t coming together to make these large armies which are just about required to take a huge objective like a keep or stonemist, then as sad as it is, the combined efforts of the server are thrown out of whack and there is no rhyme or reason to anything, just constant fighting that in the end, loses potential buffs for the server (Oh no not that extra wood from the node!).

I think I might have divulged a bit from what I was getting at. Ahem, as you have pointed out, we have a lot of zergs merging and diverging, pugs and guildmates alike are moving across the map in a coordinated fashion for the most part. This is good and bad, that ‘Herd-Mentality’ you speak so little of probably reminds me of the instances where even commanders can’t control the zergs to hit up an objective that could secure us the lead (hence mindless zerg fights in front of Lowlands Camp). But, what is so great, yes great, about our server is that as we grow in size steadily, the players do get taught slowly about our strategies, about running supplies to certain zergs, about what to hit up next and so on. So, when you say that first couple of lines there about the zerg helping out roamers and soloers, I say ‘GOOD’ because that player could be the commander bringing an omega golem print to another location, Time is literally points and having him ganked is another couple of minutes wasted.

And as a solo yaker I end up doing escort or defense duty a lot. I admit, we might ever so slightly, I mean SLIGHTLY, lack the majority of the small groups roaming at all times. We have a couple dedicated folks doing camp flipping or reinforcement killing but not as many as other servers from what I can tell. What I can tell you is that our strategies worked for the most part, it has gotten us to T3 with around the numbers we have right now. I cannot really consider ‘Herd Mentality’ a bad thing.

The only bad thing, as you have said, was the ‘Chase the Elementalist with 20+ people’ argument. THAT…is still being kinked out, I swear watching that myself is like watching a dog chase a hotdog attached to a trendmill, except the dog is actually doing something productive like losing weight.

And lastly, this is important. The whole numbers advantage, I hear it all the time, it gets tiring so I will let you in on a little secret.

…We are not nearly as big as you would think. The most common tactic we use in a stale mate fight, even IF the other guys have 10 or so more than we do, is a strong front line push, I am not talking about slowly killing I am talking myself, a hammer buddy or two and maybe an elementalist almost within a time-frame rushing into the middle of the other zerg and breaking the back line. It is surprising what happens when rangers or necromancers or mesmers back up, cause the front-line does to, and people get downed when retreating. I would probably go down too but at that point like an avalanche suddenly we start rendering to the other side, and they notice their numbers drop sharply.

What happens then? Do it enough times entire servers get the impression we have a hell of a lot more than we do. And then someone brings it to the forums. It is an endless cycle, and I doubt what I have said will end it.

Anyways, man, I was serious for a bit there, how about a haiku?

The Blue Pangloss Camp,
Just how many ballistas?
…Hail Ballista God.

- Jornosh, Only Survivor of Ballista God

Ah. Well, I have learned to keep my profanities on forums roughly down to a minimum, although that is ironic considering how much I curse everywhere else.

Sort of backwards, thanks for the info!

Now the question is, do you know if I am saying kitten the profanity, or kitten the animal?

Hmm….

….
….
….
….

Alright, I confess, it’s been nagging me all this time, but I cannot take not knowing anymore! Forget the backlash I must know!

What does ‘Kitten’ mean?! Where did it come from?! I have a feeling what it might mean…but not sure.

And now, another Haiku, to help alleviate …

Big Fight at Ograth
Greatsword cleaves blue as I fall
Off the cliff I ran

- Jornosh, testing gravity since Original WoW, it always wins.

Man, this thread needs to tone it down a bit, here, a haiku of my day today:

Chasing Dragonbrand,
Thought said player was alone,
Buried in Arrows.

- Jornosh, Dead Arrow Covered Warrior of YB

Xavi.6591:

The Goat.1940:

Markan.3460:

nalenb.1425:

Don’t have to. Take a look at the income evolution chart. It’s pretty even across all timezones.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/35/

I honestly don’t think that you can take those charts too literally. The scores they publish seem to lag the actual timings and they simply aren’t updated enough to show the effect of the timezones.

I work erratic hours and simple observation tells me that DB is massively ahead during Asian peak hours and tends to lag behind in NA peak times. That’s not a criticism either just a statement of fact

If your statement was true then yaks should be able to close the gap during NA prime time. but as the score reflects your server cannot do so because our NA crew can effectively keep your income in check. So either DBs NA is getting stronger and more effective or your server is becoming weaker and less effective.

We know DB’s NA period has gotten stronger. We know you had some NA transfer in. We know. We also know we have almost no Asian coverage when we are at work which is the reason for the big point ticks when you golem all our gates down and re-colour our map. We know.

Guess what. We know.

AND….I seriously can’t resist…

Wispy.8679:

Just going to throw this out to Yaks Bend, all servers have exploiters, that’s unavoidable. But do you honestly believe that after what happened yesterday, and the amount of times you have been portalled into inner SM that DB has not been checking over and over and over every single place with Stonemist? Do you honestly believe that the mesmer has been going unavoided for hours on end? We literally have been keeping 10-20 people in SM inner constantly searching and waiting for the mesmer to portal you in.

I’m not here with any evidence of the mesmer himself wall exploiting, it’s the wrong place for it. But can you be so naive to think that he is legitimate? Please, stop accepting his portals hours after we have flipped SM. There is honestly no place we haven’t checked, we have found several exploiting in the walls, but I’m not here to report that mesmer. I am here asking you, as a server, stop accepting the portals of an exploiter.

Just something to consider, and this goes for all servers. People make errors, those patrols you might have ‘actively’ searching could get distracted, or forget to search a spot at a particular time. I am not going to accuse you guys of not doing a good job sweeping, but can you right now say with a straight face the 10-20 of your friends for hours on end swept the exact spots and routes to ensure the ‘exploiter’ didn’t get away?

The thing about mesmers, the really, REALLY good ones is that they know not just where all the good hiding spots are, but where to go next if their spot is about to be compromised. Don’t get the wrong idea, it is plausible that the mesmer did phase through walls or some other bug that is appropriately wrong for this game. But at this stage there is enough evidence on the other side to say “The mesmer did avoid all the patrols in some godly-like fashion”.

The logic goes both ways, I never would condone exploiters, YB in the past like other servers has willingly given back objectives with adequate evidence supporting the theory. But maybe this time, as unbelievable as it sounds.

Maybe this mesmer knows that one more spot you guys don’t know about, we aren’t talking a keep here, we are talking Stonemist. But, as I said before, if we see an obvious exploit being abused on our side, we do take things like that seriously and refuse to work with exploiters and do make a ****storm on our server especially, the whole 9 yards.

- From a YB Pug, Jornosh

First, a bit late but heya Dragonbrand again! Good to see you again! Although some of my YB compatriots might complain, I personally have no real issue with the time-zone capping, it is a part of what makes WvWvW great.

On that topic, I noticed quite a bit more activity from DB, and EB is still pulling quite a strong primetime presence like always. Although I do wish that our primetime strength (not to undermine our Oceanic/Asian crew, they are fantastic) could meet with DB’s to contest over our night, that probably won’t happen. I do expect Dragonbrand to come out the victor but that isn’t for a lack of fighting, oh there is quite a bit of conflict on all sides during YB and EB primetime.

Regardless, as one of the many YB players I don’t feel too disheartened. We have an adequate night-time presence that has brought us to this tier, and both timezones respectfully support each other when we can. Although maybe sometime in the future when YB gets more presence during the ‘off-hours’, we could have a very nice match DB where truly large-scale conflicts occur over the ‘night’.

Now, on to EB, Good stuff, you guys always seem to be persistent on some objectives where I personally don’t expect it. It seems that at this tier even the pugs have to have some coordination to succeed, and man do you all rally together! Then again it is a must for not just you, but us as well. And I hope the weekdays will be brimming with combat and laughs! …Maybe a bit less ‘Forum-Trakittenalk’ and Shenanigans.

Anyways, I hope for a good week of combat and let’s all fight well enough!

- Jornosh, YB Warrior.

“Goonies never say die.”

The lowered Waypoint one sounds like a neat added incentive. As for the hearts one I can relate to those being a ‘solo’ questing however some zones have events near hearts that are worth teaming up for, or the map chat might be asking for assistance in some areas. Since Orr doesn’t have any hearts, the incentive to do temples brought about my next suggestion idea.

Hello guys! Just going to go straight to the point here, I have found a way to ‘alleviate’ the lack of high level participation aside from world map completion and dynamic events for low-level zones and the dreaded Orr which could be considered dead…no pun intended.

In a moment of enlightenment, two rather simple, independant solutions/ideas came to me, both although with different effects, if implemented together could result in more ‘spread’ participation across all areas! That just sounds fantastic huh? And although the ideas are still fresh in my mind, they are open for suggestions…

Redo Hearts

- Requirements: At least 2 Hearts completed across all zones with hearts in them.

- How it works: There would be a daily completion quest for this, where you would have to do 5 randomized hearts that you have completed at some point in your character’s questing that will give you some sort of moderate reward. These hearts will be shown as a different color on your world map (Think Blue or Red) and will turn back to yellow upon recompletion. It would effectively be repeating the same heart you did before except you wouldn’t receive a mail with a bit of money after completion nor experience, the work would count towards this daily completion reward which does provide experience and the other reward mentioned.

- Why this brings everyone back: It MIGHT not bring everyone back, depending on how good the reward is. If it rewarded the same as doing the daily kill completion, in my humble opinion that would be a bit too weak of a reward to merit the effort. If it gave something akin to a Magnificient Chest, perhaps a bit too high, the reward would have to be thoroughly addressed. However, the idea is that there would be people of a higher level or max level that would come back and bring the ‘MMO’ vibe that might be lacking in some areas…cough

Weekly Orr Temples

- Requirements: Only if you are capable of surviving and taking on at least 2-3 Orr Temple Events to the end!

- How it works: Right now, even on high population servers there is a lack of interest in…Orr. For obvious reasons no one would even touch the place now with certain events nerfed in the farming department. This hurt participation in Temple events, which means Orr is a zombie-wasteland 24-7. Some eternal battle right?

So, make Retaking the Temples or Defending the Temples part of a weekly completion reward! Three times sounds plenty and its pretty self-explanitory. You get credit for successful retaking of any of the temples and that counts as credit towards a really nice reward for the week. How nice though? Good amount of silver, couple rares, maybe even an exotic…or better. Wink Wink

- Why this brings everyone back: I despise with a passion that we have all our 80s chilling in LA, regardless of preference they could at least have a worthwhile, dangerous location that could reward them on many fronts. Make the temple captures worth it, especially if they have to do it a couple times during the week! This will no doubt raise activity in Orr if players knew they were getting better rewards than from normal Dragon kills.

Your thoughts fellow players?