Everyone of the lowest ranked servers in each of the current tiers is gaining points. They may not be winning the matchup, and in most cases are losing the matchup. But they are doing better than Glicko expected and thus are gaining points. Some by large margins.
FC here, and even though we are losing we currently have a 51 point gain in the ratings. The new matchups are doing what they were supposed to do.
But that is not winning. Winning is very simple. Either you are ahead of the other servers or you are not.
Glicko is about measuring skill in a game and matchmaking. Increasing Glicko means you are more skilled than what was predicted, not that you are winning games.
Your post only shows Glicko perhas was not the best way to measure WvW.
The main problem on my server is getting people out, and saying “We are loosing badly but out Glicko is inceaseing!” will not do it.
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Arborstone got a higher tier than us, doesn’t make any sense.
That’s the main reason why RoF is mad about it, not because we ended in tier 9, but because we don’t know how we got thereIf the devs could only give us a detailed explanation on how we ended in tier 9…
You see there is something called Randomness, or in other words kitten happens.
use this week to explore new siege placements, gear up, and save siege for next week when you will probably not face them again.
I have heard there are some harpies, scritt and centaurs to kill. They are feeling so ignored otherwise.
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The EU has some crazy matchups, T7 vs 2 T3’s for example. It is not exactly encouraging for us.
Psh, any of use can take Yak’s Bend, bring it on
We can have a secret agreement to double team them now. SSSSH! Don’t tell!
Take time to document your WvW week. Take screen shots of the map. Create a post detailing your experience and the experience of your server. It would probably be valuable feedback for the devs.
This game should be fun for people on all tiers. My greatest WvW fear is that the lower tier servers are getting the shorter end of the stick in the new regime. Perhaps you can prove me wrong.
The EU has some crazy matchups, T7 vs 2 T3’s for example. It is not exactly encouraging for us.
Hum I wonder what would happen when players start with this attitude on the new system of what is the point of playing then surprisingly land up with 2nt place because they ignored the other two servers.
Anyone have a translator for this guy? I think he is saying something intresting.
I still think it’s best to NOT display cumulative totals for scores, just the current ppt.
Helps with morale and allows players to play for the NOW, increasing engagement.
NOTHING kills morale and participation like feeling your efforts are futile.
But it is easy to see the culmunative scores in game. Are you suggesting a change in the interface or the web page displaying the scores.
problem is for the T3 servers if they DONT crush the T7 server they will lose rating.
The old rating system is irrelevant now though, right?
It is the exact same system with a bit more randomness in it.
How is 2 T3’s vs a T7 a BIT random? It makes no kitten sense.
That would be nice . . .
You can still learn from being steamrolled; you’ll just have to change tactics in order to compensate for your weaknesses. Although, I suppose the coverage gaps would be something a bit difficult to compensate for.
Just try your best and don’t give up; you’ll be respected for that.
appreciate your positivity and of course, we will do our best. But most of us on any server no matter which tier you plays has had their fair share of stomping. Outmanned due to players giving up which will most likely happend after 2ish days and or being stomped will therefore not teach us anything.
ah well, hammer high, high five, back to battle ^^ gl whatever tier you are fighting!
You just have to get a concentrated effort for your server’s community to persevere. Just play to have fun, not necessarily to win, and you’ll be better off for it. Although winning is fun, I just like to think of it as a bonus, lol.
It is not so much winning as getting completely stomped over and over that will kill the fun.
Arbor is currently ticking at +545. Who’s getting crushed again?
Check again in 3 days time. It is not like the first hour or so after reset is really representitive of a 7 day event.
You can still learn from being steamrolled; you’ll just have to change tactics in order to compensate for your weaknesses. Although, I suppose the coverage gaps would be something a bit difficult to compensate for.
Just try your best and don’t give up; you’ll be respected for that.
Tatics can only compensate for lower numbers and coverage gaps (as you say) for so long. Tatics that work for a large population will not nessissary work for a smaller one.
In the long term nothing compensates for numbers. Numbers are easier to turn out if you win and you can only really win in the long term, with large numbers.
There is such a thing as morale and repeated steamrolling crushes it.
Not happy at all with this new match up
GH T7 vs Piken T3 vs Riverside T4wont be learning much this match up anet, getting stomped teaches me to hate this change to wvwvw
meh
arborstone gonna get crushed good job Anet
Its matchups like that one that are going to crush what little WvW exists on lower ranked servers. People will either move or quit.
Arborstone (T9) VS Gandara (T5) VS Far Shiverpeaks (T5)
How does a T9 vs 2 T5’s even make sense? How do those people even have a chance?
I am looking forward to getting stomped by a random set of people now. Hurrah?
I’m not disappointed. The changes will be a disaster for my server.
Silly GoM, everyone knows you are supposed to auto attack keep doors down while working in groups of 5 or less.
Agreed, it the best.
What he said.
Hold on her people most are missing the point… explain to me why it requires a purchased consumable and supply just to counter a game mechanic? That would be the equivalent of forcing people to buy a consumable in order to strip retaliation.
This guy has it.
Yes you can. Most nonmelee well specs are support builds, but they are best for PvE, IMHO.
If you are laying down curses Mojo (a straw voodoo doll) looks good.
you ran it on different tier than you did before?
Nope. I did a 20’s and a 10’s. Both seemed harder. Though I could just be noticing something that is not there.
I ran fractals twice yesterday and hit this gem of a guy twice. It seems the encounter is harder.
You now can not apply conditions to him while he is balled up.
Also there seem to be more lava snakes (forgot real name) that spawn and they seem to have higher rates of fire, though that could just be their numbers.
Anybody else encounter this?
I miss carrion. That is all.
Why is the AI not comparabile, because that is all I am talking about.
All I am saying is that the Ranger pets knows when to attack every time, and most people think minions should know when to attack every time, and not stand around doing nothing at random. So are you saying that because a minion is not a core class mechanic, it should have cheesed AI? Plus, if they should have defective AI, then that does not effect the viability of the MM build?
When did I talk about AoE?
No, i am saying the AI is not the same. One is a controlled ai tied to a class mechanic. The other is utility skill without a controlled targeting ai.
Look, I think the ai needs improvements. I dont’ think it’s so bad it’s unplayable. I think the fact that if I switch targets in the middle of a fight, sometimes my minions don’t switch they keep attacking target 1 other times they lock up and look at me before switching.
Your statement was we have horrendous ai, but we don’t. Even the ranger pet has a delay when you target swap or use aoe to start a fight. My point is comparing a class mechanics response with a utility skills response is not a valid argument.
Ok lets make it very simple:
All I want the AI to do is attack when I do and not stand around when I am doing nothing. Delays on switching etc. are somewhat understandable. Apparently you have some reason why this should not be so.
The ranger pet just happens to be pretty consistent in attacking. I would take this one attribute and say I would like our minions to know when to attack like a ranger pet, and somehow this is invalid?
Listen, I just want minions to do their jobs, attacking my enemies when I attack them, reliably, but they do not, and I really do not care if it “is a controlled ai” or lacks “a controlled targeting ai.” They are not reliable, because you don’t know when it will do what is supposed to do. When I hit Epidemic, it will do its job. Period. No exceptions.
I don’t care that epidemic was probably easier to implement. I don’t care what AI the minions do not have. I want them to do their jobs reliably.
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And no it is not the same for every class. When my ranger attacks something the pet runs and attacks it every time. I use my flesh golem outside of dungeons, in WvW and when I gather stuff and kill for dailies, and he does not do this with any degree of consistency. Still. Too many times I have seen the big lug just sitting there not knowing what to do untill the mob I am attacking happens to wonder by.
I am not asking our minions to be ranger pets, just know when to attack like one.
Comparing a class mechanic to a utility skill is not viable. When you play your ranger, how viable is spirit pets, because that’s the correct counterpart to compare it too.
This ridiculous assumption that Ranger pets and Necromancer Minions are the same is the core issue necromancers have. They are not the same, comparing them is ridiculous. They are completely different playstyles. You can choose to not play with Minions, you cannot choose as a ranger to not play with a pet.
I would gladly agree that having aoe wipe out all my pets is a horrible thing, but until you stop comparing a class mechanic with a utility skill this conversation will go nowhere.
Why is the AI not comparabile, because that is all I am talking about.
All I am saying is that the Ranger pets knows when to attack every time, and most people think minions should know when to attack every time, and not stand around doing nothing at random. So are you saying that because a minion is not a core class mechanic, it should have cheesed AI? Plus, if they should have defective AI, then that does not effect the viability of the MM build?
When did I talk about AoE?
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Cough Cough Minion AI Cough Cough
That’s not a core issue. That’s a utility build issue. Core issues are issues at the heart of the class that affect every single build. Since the utility pet ai is a game wide issue that affects mutliple classes it seems ridiculous to keep bringing it up as a Necro Core issue.
To top it off, they have been gradually fixing it with each patch. It’s better now than a month ago and it was better a month ago than it was at launch. I am speaking from hundreds of hours of Minion play. It’s not as bad as it is being painted.
Seems core to me since it affects the viability of a mainline build, but if you want to argue semantics, go ahead.
And no it is not the same for every class. When my ranger attacks something the pet runs and attacks it every time. I use my flesh golem outside of dungeons, in WvW and when I gather stuff and kill for dailies, and he does not do this with any degree of consistency. Still. Too many times I have seen the big lug just sitting there not knowing what to do untill the mob I am attacking happens to wonder by.
I am not asking our minions to be ranger pets, just know when to attack like one.
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The only major issue that we currently have is the DS UI issue. That’s the only major problem Necro’s have.
Cough Cough Minion AI Cough Cough
War horn is ridiculous. A large portion of the 4 skill seems to be taken up in the animation after it happens.
Full beserker power easily best for dungeons. Theres no need for survivability in PvE. Just dodge and dps. If your running with a high dps group chances are a condition build wont allow you to stack your conditions fast enough before the boss dies. Minions are far too unreliable in most boss fights and dont provide anywhere near as much dps as other builds. So beserker or Hybrid rampager are far superior in terms of speed running and general pve if you know how to play the class and you know the dungeons.
If you know how to play the class, minions are the most reliable form of damage. They don’t have extended cd’s, and deal a really good chunk of damage. There are very few boss fights where they are not an added benefit.
They are only reliable in so far as the attack your target when you want them to. You are making me want to try Minions again, but my great disappointment is that they will not attack when you do. Too many times have I seen them standing around after I have launched a few attacks at a target. They are just not reliable in my experience.
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