Guild Wars 2

sceptus.9415:

Been a great week. GG to YB and most of CD. Lots of fun and fighting.

@TheFug – CD should wipe you off their boots. The smell is getting pretty bad. Thankfully, some of us don’t generalize a whole server with a couple … fill in the blanks.

That is all you people are doing in this thread .

Well it’s settled then, I think I will spend the rest of my time building some siege in the jumping puzzle.

Furienify.5738:

Raincrow.1840:

I’ve never seen so much complaining over a jumping puzzle…..

Sunshine.3452:

Dude don’t go on about it.. it’s CD.. we gonna push them into T4 and we will be done whith those hypocrite whiners, also YES we focus you guys because we want you out of T3.

I mean… seriously??

Well, yes and no. We’re quite serious. We’re talking an organized, multi-guild effort to completely oppress Crystal Desert into the lower tiers. But this isn’t something drawn out of complaints. Just brutal pragmatism. Yak’s Bend has been nothing but courteous when we run jumping puzzles together. Crystal Desert is fielding guild groups to lock out our PvErs and folks looking to make Legendaries – one of our foremost backers, at least financially, in our WvW efforts. If they’re dissatisfied, we’re dissatisfied, and we act thusly, in the name of Buttered Justice.

So when CD camps a puzzle it is this huge, offensive insult… but when TC does it for hours its just “convenience” and “payback”.

When does the hypocrisy stop.

bllius.9027:

The fact that you guys have been pushing and pushing without giving up has lead to a lot of fun fights, and its understandable why you would focus on us because our server has a real problem claiming / upgrading keeps, so we should be the first target as we have a BG full of wood walls and then one keep fully upgraded that we have to fall back to. This week is a hell of a lot more fun than the last week.

No, we fully upgrade everything, and then we give it to the enemy on a silver platter.

Not when I am playing. I have to personally run around and upgrade everything every day and I run out of money quickly . It is a huge problem, and more guilds on CD need to step up and claim / upgrade / actively watch keeps in our BG. Most likely I play after the upgraded keeps get lost after the time zones shift, and then they just remain wood walled all day long because no one else will step up and try and defend.

Sunshine.3452:

And what about the mindless nightcapping zerg of CD that just WvDoors goes from borderland to borderland with 80 people, and once they see resistance they leave instantly? :P

CD here, and tend to play on the night crew. A lot of the time we will PVdoor until we start losing one of our naturals in our own BG, which is when we have to go back for defense.

And sometimes a bunch of people really do love the karma train of PVdoor and would rather let our BG fall than miss out on that karma, and it saddens me.

The fact is that for the majority of the weekend YB and TC have had uncontested borderlands while they both attack our CD borderlands all day long – and as part of the CD defensive squad I am really enjoying that. The fact that you guys have been pushing and pushing without giving up has lead to a lot of fun fights, and its understandable why you would focus on us because our server has a real problem claiming / upgrading keeps, so we should be the first target as we have a BG full of wood walls and then one keep fully upgraded that we have to fall back to. This week is a hell of a lot more fun than the last week.

Plenty of emoting, JP camping Yak’s bend players today. Every server has them, not just CD.

Zino.1576:

hmm this match seems like battle of na betweek yb and tc.

CD na n eu not enough ppl

asia timezone will be like CD vs yb.

TC not enough asia guild

SERIOUSLY?

Yak and TC have left eachother alone COMPLETELY to doubleteam CD in our borderlands. Almost ALL of the action has been in CD borderland ALL weekend. Get out of EB for 5 minutes and look at what is really going on. It’s a battle between TC and CD with Yak holding a point advantage because TC refuses to fight them.

Having a badge to follow makes it 100x easier to follow within your guild. Our commander is our stack point mid fight, and having to have a target assist on him insteafd of an enemy to keep the rally point is a major inconvenience. We should be able to toggle it for guild only, or have a less expensive guild commander tag.

So you want the most power AOE at the same time as having powerful 1 person options?

Come on…

The quickness buff should be slightly less effective, around 33%, and it should also not apply to spiking. That would balance it.

TC has been focusing a lot of their effort in the CD borderland today and it has been a ton of fun. Some really great fights, as long with a few great failures on both sides (my apologies to those of you that started the Omega golem build underneath me and my superior arrow cart at Dawn’s Eyrie – that one had to hurt a little on the inside). We may be losing but it’s a lot of fun anyway.

CD here. Based on the responses here (especially Hexgame, who is saying that we are a bad server while TC holds their hands the entire time), I think I will get together a group of people, a ton of superior seige and hold the JP for the next few days.

And it’s easy to say that CD are the ones camping it, but you don’t complain when your mesmers and a 20 man zerg of TC camp it because you are able to get in, get your seige and get out.

First of all nobody is talking about primetime.

Why are you all talking about primetime.

And sceptus, we have been fighting tier 1 transfers a lot longer than you have.

And do you not know why they are leading us back and forth? Because we are actively pursuing a fight. When you guys all head to EB we all port over there to try and fight you, only to have you port back to CD borderlands. If we all sit in CD borderlands then you port to EB.

This isn’t about population, this is about actively avoiding the fight for the sake of “tactics” when you own 90% of the borderlands and are afraid to actually fight for the 10% you don’t own.

Usagi.4835:

I’m glad that the mods are infracting my post. By extension, they are cleaning up the mess I make! :P Hai, mods! I must be on your blacklist now lol. Soon I’ll be a wanted forum terrorist.

Fug, everything you’ve said is your opinion but it’s like you’re trying to pass it off as fact. Don’t make assumptions. Don’t randomly say stuff like it’s true. You’re not omnipresent and you can’t read my mind. I sit in TCBL for hours because it’s relaxing lol.

IT IS NOT A TACTIC. IT IS COMPLACENCY. Stop searching for answers that aren’t there. You’re clutching at straws.

Ok then we will agree that you guys are lazy. It’s better than denying what is going on

complacency is boring.

Also the mods are crazy.

>Ask yourself where all your players from Friday went. To suggest we actively avoid you just sounds like you are a sore loser.

No, not a sore loser. I don’t care about loser, I just want to fight people. We just had 15 TC attacking our keep in the borderland, and everyone in the chat was rejoicing over the fact that there was an actual epic fight for a keep instead of getting rolled by a 60 man dissapearing zerg.

>If we did push you back into your spawn, my guess is that you would be the first person complaining about that too. Don’t worry though, like I said before, most of us are completely against that type of domination

No, I would be the first person taking supply and keeps from behind you with my guild, because that is what we do and we we have always done even when we are getting stomped. But unfortunately we can’t even do that, as everything remains undefended until you lose it all and show up with a giant zerg to take it back. Boring when you can’t even squad combat because nobody cares about defending their BG until it is already all gone and the zerg is done dominating another BG.

And you are forgetting that we have been in higher tiers than you for a lot longer than you. We have fought all of the other servers, and none of them operated the way you do. They were not scared to fight. We did not need to suggest this silliness to SoR because when we fought SoR they took our BG’s and held their points, and it led to some of the most epic two way and three way battles we have ever had in our BG. We would like to see some epic battles again.

Shrouded.6450:

Well Ill give you props for wanting to fight TC’s primetime. But enough with the smack talking, you know kitten well that TC’s primetime force can go toe to toe with the likes of Blackgate and SOR.

Again you’re being led around from one undefended keep to another. Think about that for sec….

I have thought about it, that is the point of these whole posts. You hop back and forth between bg’s so that you don’t ever fight a decent defending force, you split them among BG’s so that you can 60vs10 every fight. Strategically effective but very dull for everyone involved. When we do muster a defensive squad in CD borderlands using people from other borderlands you get pushed back and port your entire zerg to EB to hit undefended doors there. Non-primetime is some of the dullest WvW we have experienced in a long time, and you continue to use the same tactic every day.

sceptus.9415:

Well, we could just do what SoR did to us last week and park sieges outside your gates and kill anything that moves. Most of us (not all obviously) don’t go for that at all.

This is all kind of silly. We will attack when we attack. You will defend when we attack. Territory will flip. We have more people and therefor can do it in more places. Do you think you are the only players this week who can’t find any combat? Perhaps you should go into your server maps and start asking all those folks who gave up to show up. It isn’t our fault they aren’t playing.

We have people who are defending, but you are actively avoiding them. You have more people and can do it in more places – yet you do not do that. You do it in 1 place until you hit resistance and then go to the other place. It is the reason why you lose everything all at once while gaining everything in another BG – its just keepswap.

And you could try setting up a spawncamp but you would fail, and then when you get pushed back you would just waypoint to the next BG to attack undefended keeps.

I don’t care about being outnumbered. Yes we zerged you last time, but we certainly didn’t actively avoid fights and let you take back entire borderlands just to flip them when you leave. We want to PVP. We don’t care if we lose, but we would like to actually fight. Most of us think it would be awesome if you stayed in our borderland and upgraded DB or EH and actually gave us a fight there, as we tire of taking it out while its empty and full of un-manned golems.

And I am not here to look good, I am here to speak the truth. My “server mates” who say I don’t speak for the server aren’t out here trying to defend it at night or during they day – they log on during the prime time and get to actually PVP. I am speaking for those of us who are getting discouraged because we can’t get more than 1 fight in either battlegrounds before the enemy dissapears and we are left fighting doors. It is really disheartening, and we would rather lose in a real fight than run boring karma trains on undefended keeps.

The fact is that we would love for you to keep 30 people in each BG and defend what you own, instead of running away at the first sign of invaders and going to roll empty battlegrounds. We have to go to EB to call people to come and defend, and when they do port over to our borderlands and you guys actually hit a defended keep your ENTIRE zerg of 40-50 people will port back to EB to PvDOOR, while the 25 or so of us are left having to recapture an empty borderlands. This happens every 2 hours during non-prime time. Most of the morning / non-prime guilds are getting pretty annoyed as it just ends up being 2 borderlands full of non-upgraded keeps getting flipped by huge zergs and no defenders. The fights against TC are really fun until the morning zerg crew rolls in and all of the real PVP stops.

That makes absolutely no sense. Are you actually reading my posts? Also, have you ever played at a time outside of prime time. It sounds like none of you have actually seen what goes on outside of primetime, yet are willing to call trolls to those of us who are actually defending our borderlands for more than 2 hours at a time.

http://i.imgur.com/fDpUQ.jpg

Now this ofcourse doesn’t look like 50 guys because the screenshot doesn’t show the rest of the group behind me (due to me already being dead), but this is the mid day zerg around 3pm rolling through the CD borderlands where maybe 10 or so people are there to defend.

The zerg then dissapears once they have capped everything and heads to EB, where they roll everything there.

And when we group everyone together and go to seige the keeps back, the zerg is no where to be found – they just let everything fall and we get to go through empty keeps full of used seige golems.

I will be sure to get a better screenshot of the zerg as they roll in every 1.5 hours into our borderlands anytime after 4 am until about 4 PM. Everytime we seige up to defend the zerg will magically dissapear after they get pushed back and head back to EB. We can’t even get them to fight or stay long enough for us to fight them.

It’s nice to call this strategy and “coordination in order to win”, but it is not fun and it’s not PVP, its PVDOOR.

Usagi.4835:

Oh, and btw, if what I’ve been told is correct, isn’t that what CD is also doing when we’re sleeping? I’m enjoying the matchup but I’ve accepted it’s going to be push and pull. We cap, we sleep, you cap, you sleep and the cycle continues.

No, CD is playing defensive. It is not about coverage, it is about you guys being to scared to actually fight and refusing to actually fight us at all. You take all of EB with a 60 man zerg and then instead of defending, you move to CD borderland and let all of EB fall. After you zerg an empty CD borderland with 60 people, you lose EB and then go to zerg it back. If we all stay and defend or cut you off, you just take your entire zerg and head to the empty BG because you refuse to fight. You have already won the match, you have the coverage and the numbers – but you don’t have to take all of the fun out of it just to secure the win. I don’t care about losing , but we are sick of PvDOORING and are about done even taking back our own borderlands because we can’t even get you guys to stay and fight. Every 3 hours either EB or CD borderlands turns over to the enemy zerg, and we are left to take it back while all the keeps are 100% undefended.

HenryAu.7523:

TheFug.5278:

This is your idea of fun, zerging keeps 60-1? Why not have 30 people defend each borderland and actually play the game instead of just rolling everything for the free karma train. This is not fun for anybody. We don’t even get to attack defended keeps either, because you guys immediately leave the BG and we have to PvDOOR all day.

This is not fun. You are not playing the game, you are taking advantage of the fact that there is no 3rd server and you realize that you cannot fight even numbers, so you zerg around to avoid anything close to PVP.

Now I have never played around this time of the day due to work, so I might be a bit off here. However it seems rather easy to counter this horrible TC tactics. You leave 30 guys in each BL and defend it instead of leaving that BL open for PvDoor. So you’ll stall this terrible TC 60-man zerg until your reinforcement arrives, and everybody is happy.

Except we don’t have 30 guys for each BL like you guys do. That is the point. We have about 15 guys in each BL at any given time, but we don’t zerg them all together and only attack 1 BG at a time like TC is doing. The fact is that even if we seige up a keep an defend it, TC will leave the BG instead of trying to attack it and come back 3 hours later to try again when there are less people defending it until they finally do it at a time when everybody is at work or in bed. I don’t know why you guys like to PvDOOR so much.

This is your idea of fun, zerging keeps 60-1? Why not have 30 people defend each borderland and actually play the game instead of just rolling everything for the free karma train. This is not fun for anybody. We don’t even get to attack defended keeps either, because you guys immediately leave the BG and we have to PvDOOR all day.

This is not fun. You are not playing the game, you are taking advantage of the fact that there is no 3rd server and you realize that you cannot fight even numbers, so you zerg around to avoid anything close to PVP.

Yes again TC brings a 50 man zerg to roll a near empty borderlands in a 3 hour cycle. They abandon their other BG’s and zerg ours because there is no 3rd attack, and because they will never try and fight a fair fight. This is becoming pathetic really.

It kind of stinks that all TC is doing is forming a 60 man zerg and going from battleground to battleground. It forces us all to zerg up and take undefended keeps after they leave, only to wait for their mobile zerg to come back and roll over everything again. The “free karma” trains are not as fun as actually fighting it out. That kind of mindless fighting won’t fly in the higher tiers when you need to defend multiple aspects at the same time.

So, to all the TC defending the North wall of SM castle at 9:20 AM EST. How hard did you laugh when you saw us bust down your wall only to find out that there was a giant set of stone stairs blocking us from entering the keep? LOL.

We went from “THIS IS IT, LETS DO THIS” to “….wow” instantaneously.

Sweet, it’s too bad though that I used 45 keys on day 1 and threw away all of my mystery tonics. So basically people like me are straight up screwed.

We had a thief that was perma-stealth abusing at the back of our zerg for about an hour and a half today while we tried to seige an orb. He was able to down / kill anyone who was low and headed to the back of the zerg to heal. The fact of the matter is that with 10 people we couldnt kill him. It was impossible to target him for the most part due to culling, but even if you hit him with a stun, a snare or a pull he would stealth as soon as the hit lands and dissapear. We tried hitting him with traps and I was on my thief so I even stacked Death Blossom on the spot where he was stealthed, but he was able to avoid damage and heal fast enough that nobody could actually kill him.

But it’s a problem with culling mostly. If culling wasn’t an issue we could have gotten him right away.

Sorry someone on my team counted 15 pieces of seige, but then they also called a 30 man group a “70 man zerg” so I guess we shouldn’t trust them.

The real problem is that as we were attacking on the bridge there was 1 perma-stealthing thief that was just tearing us apart piece by piece.

I felt sorry for you guys because you have been under heavy seige for hours upon hours, that kitten has got to be taxing on the brain

Their really needs to be a limit to the # of seige engines that can be placed within the lords room, because that is absolutely ridiculous.

Because we all know that zerging supply camps with 45 people is hard work.

slowly but surely pushed and pushed?

Our server had a secure lead until our people went to bed – and then those of us who were left proceeded to get rolled by MASSIVE zergs because you have a 24 hour queue.

We did not lose the lead because we “gave up”, we lost the lead because people logged off even though we were still winning. We don’t have the numbers to fill our borderlands 24/7.

Dovah.9701:

SO ID JUST LIKE TO SAY, LOL AT ALL THE BUTT HURT, BUT IOJ WANTED A WIN THIS WEEK, WE PLANNED ON IT, HAD THE ARMY AND NOW HOLD 97-99% OF THE MAP NOW, SEE YOU NEXT WEEK, WE WIN

This is what IOJ gets to deal with now. I feel sorry for their core crew, because now they get to deal with these guys and longer queues.

Gangbot.8641:

All i see is excuses about being outnumbered… The first couple of days this match up was even! Then suddenly ET and CD stopped playing.

The problem is once ET stopped trying to compete because they were in last place then all of IOJ focused on CD – and having to deal with multiple 30+ man zergs 24/7 will eventually lead us to give up. You cannot deny that you guys outnumber us atleast 3:1. You have queues in times that we are outmanned. When ET shows up then CD can take a few keeps back and we can all hold our own, but when IOJ outnumbers both of our servers combined and has the orbs it just turns into an easy roll. This is how it always works now with almost every server group.

IOJ is getting a lot of transfers, and usually the servers that get the transfers also get the cheaters. I have never seen them cheat until now, so it really is just a few bad apples – the old IOJ core crew were always stand up fellows.

Map caps do not mean that server transfer isn’t the issue, especially since we can’t even hit the map caps in prime time.

Server transfers are a huge issue. Do you think that IOJ is dominating right now and ET is at the bottom without the asisstance of server transfers?

And yes CD is mostly pver’s. Nobody can transfer to our server because it is full, but mostly full of pve’ers.

Actually CD has a far stronger night crew compared to their day crew. The problem is that we lose all of the keeps before the night crew logs on, so that when they do it ends up being a spawn camp situation in which IOJ has the superior numbers. CD has always had the weakest primetime game and has always lost the most ground during the day.

And yes I do need a hug, because this game is becoming beyond frustrating. Everyone in Tier 2 is constantly a victim of server transfers, and it leads to an entire week of not being able to WvW. This game is becoming frustrating and it seems like ANET has no intention on fixing the problem.

Yes, you crushed us. We will see you in 2 weeks when you make it to tier 1, JQ crushes you and all of your server transfers knock you back down to where you belong. ET was pretty happy when they crushed us too at first, but we will see how you feel in a few weeks.

It’s easy to say that people on CD are “easy to give up”, but when every attempt to take even a supply camp is met with either a 40 man zerg or multiple 20-30 man zergs you tend to want to give up fast because it is IMPOSSIBLE to accomplish anything.

Larger maps is what made DAOC bad.

You would have to get together a group and run for 15 minutes through all of the giant, unused RvR terrain just to finally get to the “main fight” and get steamrolled by a 100 man zerg and have to reform and do it all over again.

It was so crazy powerful pre-nerf. I could walk into the ruins solo and cap the point against 3 people.

…But now it sucks wieners.

DAOC RvR kind of sucked. It was a zerg fest with no real reason to attack keeps unless you wanted DF open. Do NOT copy DAOC.

Just make it so you can’t AoE through doors.

There needs to be slightly less health in the downed state, and they should be doing about 1/2 of the damage that they do now. On my warrior I can clearly lose a fight and still end up with the “win” because I know that I can rely on my ridiculous downstate to finish them off.

Also, nobody should have teleport skills. Once you go down you should be a stationary target, certain classes should not have an ability that allows them to escape once they have been downed – they should be punished for making the mistakes that let them get downed in the first place.

And the rally mechanic needs to go. I have had fights where people randomly rally off of absolutely nothing, and fights where we down 5-6 people just to have them all rally at the same time – that is unnacceptable. If they want to have people rally then they need to have a downed skill that allows rally if its being channeled on a target that dies. But it should not be a random luck mechanic.

Orbs could let keeps hold 10% more seige, give guards special defensive abilities (like AE debuffs and stuns) and maybe even increase the honor badge/seige drop rate.

Not hard for IOJ to dominate when we have outmanned in all borderlands and they are running with 45+ zergs.

I get almost no lag during the Stonemist rush’es, but those fireworks completely stalled mine (and a few other) people’s machines, despite having beefy kitten rigs. Welcome to the non-uniform optimization of GW2.

Explain? Are people on CD pulling some kitten too? I haven’t seen much, but when I do I call them out on it.

Congratz on crashing Eredon Terrace Battleground with fireworks.

IOJ is currently spamming Fireworks at Redbriar in an attempt to lag us all out. This one of the dirtiest tricks I have seen in a while.

Wait.. so a bunch of server transfers that result in an extremely even and close match is a showcase of the “problem”?