Guild Wars 2

Confusion scales far more than any other condition and activates on certain things that it shouldn’t activate on. When you go up against 15 mesmers running confusion build it becomes difficult to purge that many conditions – but it is doable. They just need to tweak it down a little bit so it’s still effective, but so that 12 stacks re-applied every .5 seconds isn’t instant death.

The main problem is that you can waypoint the golems. We have had many encounters where we will spot a huge golem army, and before we can engage they will see us and port them all back to safety to be used 2 hours later when everybody goes to bed.

Golems need to be built in combat zones and forces to stay in combat zones, and not be able to use waypoints.

Everyone will complain about this “unintended tactic ruining the game”, but then an hour later when a real fight actually breaks out we will all apply our skale venom and spam our gears for the win and act like nothing is wrong. ANET didn’t intend for culling to be part of the games mechanic as well, but we will all try our best to use culling to our advantage because it is in the game. It is the nature of videogames to do whatever it takes to get ahead. I know that sounds like a cop-out, but a lot of us felt (and still feel) that portaling into keeps after a certain period of time after the cap is a cheap tactic – but Anet did nothing and even supported it, so we have just learned to deal with it and take the extra time to sweep.

There will always be people from these servers doing these things, and we will just have to wait for Anet to fix or or atleast come out against it publicly while they work on a fix.

Until then, we shouldn’t let the thread devolve into your standard WvW thread, because that will only sour this matchup and we will end up with another reason to want to WvW less. I for one love going up against players that I respect, and I hope that does not change.

As for the people doing it, maybe this thread will change their view on the subject and maybe it won’t – but we cannot start down this path, because then we will all just end up looking like a bunch of Fort Aspenwoods. (bazinga)

Quick, somebody defuse the situation!

I bet you that there was just a cart built right at the corner of the gate that they didn’t even look for.

That was a lot of fun in the Overlook tonight. That fight just got crazier and crazier. Props to all the BG on that one!

What started as a passing glance across the water at the Bay blossomed into a truly beautiful union today.

HB, you complete me. <3

To the HB and other BG who just stormed us at the hills in FABL, amazing work. That was some top notch stuff – lots of great cohesion and stacking. It’s just a shame that we couldn’t put up a better fight because 1 person didn’t listen when we said “please don’t queue fortify”.

Top notch stuff though, that was definitely a tier 1 performance, great blast stacking and ability to move on the fly.

Elite Slasher.3561:

Ok just wanted to say great fight tonight from BG and TC. Not sure why but I have a feeling of being double teamed… hmm… Well actually TC seem really afraid of BG for some reason or they are just fighting for second place. BG seems to be afraid of us now and don’t push TC BL anymore or is it just me? Well to be honest Bay is a lot easier to take than Hills. So it might be just a coincidence. Well was still a lot of fun tonight fighting on both fronts keep it up! Hope to see you guys on Battlefield again!

It all comes down to who can exploit a gap in coverage and hold it. At first BG and FA were focusing on TC because we had a bit of a gap in our coverage that let you guys take your keeps and hold / upgrade them. Eventually we managed to push you out and both TC and BG found a big random gap in FA’s coverage that let us establish waypoints in your borderland – and that makes those easy to hold and a priority. This game is really only about coverage sometimes.

If we could find a gap in BG’s coverage and do the same I am sure we would, but that hasn’t happened – and we have tried, trust me. The problem comes from the fact that without orbs, we have no real reason for the 2 attacking forces in the BL’s to attack eachother – except to try and backdoor the defenders and get an easy cap for points. I really hope they bring orbs back soon in some sort of way to give motivation to those 2 attacking servers to go after eachother more instead of just dogpiling. But there have been some great fights, and lots of FA have really been stepping up and converting many of my server mates into loot bags. This has been a really good match.

Diashame.6328:

The only reason you see the score on FA so low a lot of the time is because Terrible Coast never attacks anyone else other than FA. So BG being the opportunists they are take full advantage of this and attack us as well.

I am not complaining however, I love it, keep it coming guys, the more zergs come at us the more loot bags. O soooo many loot bags tonight and spent more than half the night on Yak escorting. Only time I died was against a few awesome TC thieves whilst guiding the yak and at SMC with the entire ICOA and TC server coming down on us at the same time and still held it for 2 wipes of BG and 1 wipe of TC.

Good fun this matchup.

If you spend all day trying to sweep TCBL, don’t be surprised if we come back to your BL. Maybe if FA spent less time in our BL we both could go after BG, but you guys refuse to focus on BG and focus on us. It’s a two way street.

And we currently own more in Blackgate BG than you do.

Slow down the rez and remove the random rallies. Player should have to actively be hitting a target to rally off them – no random rallies because someone died on the other side of the sPVP map.

1000X better here. The only people coming here are those who are complaining – the rest of us are too busy playing.

Not going to lie, I can see why people are frustrated. The new SoR is probably the most disrespectful server our guild has ever fought. Camping all of the garrisons with a ton of people is a valid tactic, but spamming /laugh at anyone who attempts to take it back just makes most of our people not want to fight any more. I have never seen so many spam laugh emotes, and while it doesn’t bother me it does show a level of disrespect when everyfight, no matter how good, ends in a /laugh spam. It is unfortunate that you guys are choosing to be those guys, because your core used to be one of the most respectable groups around. To the members of Choo, thank you for choosing to /salute instead of joining in with the disrespect train that the transfers seem to be enjoying so much. . And nice portals / flanks outside of the Garrison tonight. Hopefully the rest of your server will follow your example.

That is the only whine and cry I will give to this thread.

Let’s give a little perspective on the situation.

A few months ago back when I was on CD, we were fighting TC. We were beating them by a lot, so we camped them. We put up tents, got out the marshmallows, strapped our food into containers and hung them from the trees (because bears are kitten) and we sang kitten ba yah outside of their spawn for a few days.

A few weeks later TC came back and this time the tables were turned, and within a few days they were the ones lighting the fires, breaking out the smores and I’m pretty sure that I saw atleast one camper wearing a forever lazy, which goes against all camper etiquette (shame on you).

Now TC is getting camped by SoR, and the forum warriors are out en masse because they have nothing better to do.

It’s the circle of life, and it moovvess us allll.

Just take your licks and deal with it. We will probably be the target of all of the t1 leftovers for quite some time (just as CD was when they were in T2 for quite some time). You learn to deal with it, and enjoy the small victories and forget about the numbers on the board.

Work with your guilds and you will see that SoR are not invincible – and there are still plenty of good fights to be had.

Evverryboody camps..

….sommmetimmess.

People need to calm down

Those were just a few people who were getting blocked in the spawn – they are the most vocal when it comes to map chat. The rest of us had a blast.

No need to gear farm, we are having tons of fun in SBI BL tonight Great fights to everyone involved.

IRSyKo.5843:

Henrik.7560:

IRSyKo.5843:

Kincaidia.3192:

Did FA lose Stonemist? I had to leave for work

No, but after we saved it we decided to completely wipe CD out of the game.

CD currently sitting at +0 PPT

Why wipe us? why not attack dragonbrand? what have we done by sitting at +100 ppts or less 24/7?
</3 with FA

I’d guess A: Your forums warriors B: We don’t want you here anymoar

You realize that you are acting more disrespectful than any of our “forum warriors”, right?

Let’s all grow up.

Furey.6734:

Altie.4571:

Furey.6734:

No bad impression taken from it. We are starting to get a little annoyed at CD tactics. Is is like they are just playing for 2nd and will do anything to take us down. When FA was assaulting our buggy hills which cant get supplies from Astral still, CD was blockading our reinforcements on the NW gate side. Right now DB is 3 pts under from being able to stay in tier 3 and CD heading down to tier 4. We understand that FA thinks we are the bigger threat, but please don’t over focus on us if you want us to remain in tier 3

Oh come on now, you have been maintaining a strong presence in CD BL since the 2nd day of this match up.
If we did anything it pales in comparison to that :-/

In all fairness, we have your hills, FA has our hills, why don’t you guys take FA’s?

Have you tried to take FA’s hills recently? They have people just sitting there waiting, and can throw out a 50 man defense group without batting an eyelash. FA’s hills won’t fall unless both servers put pressure on them from both sides, because their population is just too great (and their dedication ain’t too bad either!).

Lots of great fights were had in FABL tonight. Props to Pro for giving us a few very audible “oh kitten” moments.

transtemporal.2158:

TheFug.5278:

You can have 1 person rez through the DPS of a superior ballista.

Thanks for the chuckle man. At least your overstatement is ambitious.

1 person can rez faster than most dps being thrown at them. I have had people rez faster than I could kill them when hitting them with a 15k kill shot and following it up with a FRENZIED volley for 10+K damage – just to be rezzed through.

If you don’t know how fast the rez process is then you obviously have not been WvW’ing enough. One or Two people focus rezzing someone can outrez any dps thrown at them as long as other people are blasting water fields in that area to keep them alive. I personally have stabilitied rezzed people who were getting focused by 10+ people.

Seriously, go actually play the game and see for yourself. Have a pocket guardian spam heals while you figure out exactly how much DPS you can rez through.

Jort Fapsenwood.

Rezzing is too fast.. way too fast.

You can have 1 person rez through the DPS of a superior ballista.

If they want speed rezzing, then it needs to be something you can either spec for – or use those nifty revive skills, or use the food. Not everyone should be able to speed rez through DPS. We have a ton of guardians in my guild and in wvw they will sit there and asborb all of the front line damage while rezzing people because they know that once they get up, they can just heal back up and continue on.

It is just a bit much. And the rally mechanic is a bit much. There should be a channeled ability that if you channel it on someone when they die, they rally. You should not rally off of a guy you hit for 5 damage who ran around the corner and died, or off of a deer.

This game caters to the bads a bit too much, and the abiliy to speed rez and continually rally just encourages the zerg behavior – why learn the mechanics when you can just get more people.

It’s really awesome to see DB bring it, and FA’s new population has put them back in the game – they were relentless before, but now they have both the population and they still have that determination that they had before. It’s a much better match, that is for sure. Good fights to all. May the yaks be with you.

Saweth You Him.9047:

I don’t think CD is the first place server anymore <.<.

Ok, let me rephrase.. The first position, as in Green.

We used to always pound TC into last place on reset nights, but their sustained forces would eventually hold out, we would give up and they would roll us.

Hopefully this fight stays close, and I wouldn’t mind losing because t2 scares the poop out me – we are not nearly ready for that.

Saweth You Him.9047:

Every CD borderland and eb has a que and they are on the bottom in points talley <.<.

And?

The first place server always gets the most pressure on it at reset. Welcome to WvW. If CD holds out then the other servers might back off, but if they collapse then its just a feeding fest until one of the others takes the #1 spot.

Good fights tonight in IOJ borderlands, especially to Avatar and their MASSIVE CONFUSION BOMBING holy cow. At one point I had to stand in the middle of a 20 man group and do absolutely nothing for a lengthy period of time while waiting for confusion to wear off and hoping I make it through. Good to see that there is still some good fights left to be had this match up.

Or – just increase the rewards for capping towers, keeps and stonemist and defending those. So you can’t just run around small capping for huge amounts of cash, but attacking and defending vital objectives allows you to rake in the cash.

The key to stopping ele’s is long immobilizes. D/D ele thinks he’s hot stuff? Let him rush in, throw down a few of his escapes and then hit him with a long immob and watch him melt. Same with downed ones.

Get more people to run longer immobilizes and Ele’s become easy to deal with.,

My condolences to the IOJ that we watched march their golems out from Lowlands, under Wildcreek, through the dredge and to the doors of ANZ while the rest of [KH] sat under the bridge outside of Anz waiting in true troll fashion.

We appreciate the free keep though.

<3

Some people don’t like to just attack keeps all day. If you see a small group going around doing nothing but attacking people at crossed swords, then obviously their idea of fun in WvW that day is to just go around and zerg stomp. We get sick of attacking keeps sometimes as well and do nothing but zerg stomp.

AoN is organized and has good communication. If they want to go out and stomp some pubs then that is their own decision. Deal with it. If a group of 7 means the difference between your server winning and losing, then it sounds like you are depending on that 7 far too much.

Bit.2519:

TheFug.5278:

FA – the land of people who apparently do not celebrate holidays.

Do I sense a bit of, sour?

Nope. I have been having fun, and i’d much rather have a close match that I lose than a match where we blow them out of the water (or get blown out of the water).

FA – the land of people who apparently do not celebrate holidays.

More than ever. I see more D/D ele’s than I do thieves.

I love fighting all of you ret D/D ele’s.

“Oh look, they are all winding up their churning earth.. better put an earthquake or an ice spike on myself and then dodge all of their synchronized earth churns!”

“oh that was easy”.

Aberrant.6749:

IMO… the only drops they need to adjust are the badges. Take them out of the jumping puzzles and put them in the wvw loot bags. Leave the siege and toss in another green item into the jp chest.

Sorry to the baddies that can’t pvp… but they don’t deserve wvw badges for not doing anything to help their server do wvw. Right now they don’t even have to do the jumping puzzle… just pop in and ask if there is a mesmer around to port you str8 to the end. -.-

If you’re trying for drops to sell… do things like flipping mole/ogre. They have some nice stuff in their loot bags and drop them quite often.

So if you aren’t happy with the drops in PVP, just stop, take a minute and just go PVE for a few hours!

That is your solution…

come on bro.

Lots of fun was had in IOJ tonight. Don’t give up yet guys, the week just started.

ZERGS ruin this game. The more people you have, the harder it is to kill anyone EXPONENTIALLY, due to this games absolutely abominable rez mechanic. 2 people can rez someone through SEIGE level DPS. It is ridiculous.

TC has the numbers, yes. But just like the other individual said TC also is willing to give up whatever they are doing to defend whatever needs to be defended. I have seen TC in the middle of a tower siege that they were winning dissappear because one of the towers near their garrison in their home BL has come under attack. If you bring an organized guild group into TC borderlands, they will take notice and they will send the appropriate amount of force to keep you at bay (or in our case, just outside the bay).

TC may not be super-l33t PVP with hardcore guilds and youtube l33tvidz, but they obviously enjoy the game and take pride in defending their homeland, and use that communication to their advantage.

For that they get our respect.

Unfortunately.5940:

TheFug.5278:

Yeah, that was the most FA I have seen to date – that was intense. Really wish they would fix the culling.

Yeah that’ll happen when you usually PvDoor in FA off-peak hours

I think you have the wrong guild.

We don’t like PvDoor – we prefer open field combat!

Unfortunately we were outnumbered by quite a bit and couldn’t quite keep the combat out in the open

It was still fun though. It was nice to fight a decent FA squad and not just run around killing lowbies all night.

Yeah, that was the most FA I have seen to date – that was intense. Really wish they would fix the culling.

This doesn’t seem to be a “couple minute patch”, especially when it cannot connect.

Just as it is your right to crash a PVE event in a PVP zone, it is their right to destroy your entire borderlands for as long as they want for it.

I hope it’s worth it to exercise your right.

Everyone who attacks FA borderland should do so with a DOLY tag, and the fighting should not stop until the last FA resistance walks out of their spawn, /kneels and then represents guild DOLY in front of us a way of showing the white flag.

Meh, you did a really poor job redecorating. The shag carpet in the lord room is so 70’s, and I am not a fan of the new curtains.

Someone was using them previously.

Siege has always despawned in 30 minutes or less. Maybe your server just never used a lot of siege before so the despawn never happens, but for us it always happens if we don’t refresh the siege.

It seems that if there is a ton of siege being built in that borderland that the oldest siege will despawn to make room for new ones. Last week when we did the borderland rush siege at server reset, all of the ballistas we built in the back of the lord room in Shad (first siege built probably) ended up despawning right in front of our eyes even though they were being manned constantly.

Green is actually the easiest to defend.

TC sure is spam laughing a lot lately.

Also, holy crap that is a huge zerg attacking Bluebriar at 5 in the morning. Atleast 50. Who is the oceanic server again?

Was a fun night though – we tried an all in on DB for funsies and made it to the lord room, but you guys had a good defense going.

Increase rewards for killing dolyaks that have players escorting. This will make groups more likely to kill anyone escorting doly’s, including bots. Also, increase awards for keeps that have not been capped for a certain amount of time – so that people have more incentive to go after keeps instead of letting them linger all week while killing doly’s.

Thrashbarg.9820:

TheFug.5278:

So about 15 CD/FA/whatever just rolled through a supply camp.

8 of them are hammer warriors/guardians

thats more than 50% running flavor of the month knockdown spam builds.

This is getting ridiculous.

There, fixed it for you.

I’d be willing to bet most of the D/D elementalists you see are recent converts to the dark side. Staff may be “better” for support, but it’s hard to support much if you’re dead. Focus is just horrible except for blocking projectiles. Scepter is ok, but useless against fotm thieves (the other 50% of WvW population). That leaves D/D as the best all around option, until you meet a class with some CC or boon removal, then it’s still the best option since you might at least be able to escape.

Some stuff on topic:
That was some epic fun on TCBL the other night, I don’t mind the 2v1, it’s a refreshing change. For the last couple weeks I’ve gotten the impression our enemies are scared of our BL, probably our fault for defending so tenaciously, but I won’t appologize for that ;p.

Knockdown spam is easily stopped.