Guild Wars 2

The real question is will they fix the skill lag, and will this fix to culling make the skill lag worse? It’s been getting worse and worse with each reset, sometimes having +30 second delays and tons of disconnects.

Dr Wah.2153:

You don’t think you’re good enough/have enough coverage to win, so you play for second. If you succeed in your strategy, you stay in your tier, and get 2nd place every week.

Against Blackgate, a T1 server, no we did not have enough coverage, so we tried to gain back PPT against the weakest enemy (FA) in an attempt to stay in the tier. We still fought Blackgate in the open field and won many fantastic fights. Atleast that is what many of us did on the night crew in order to hold onto our T2 position as long as we could. We still grouped up and went out and took on LOTD and HB in open combat and tried to backdoor them in the keeps and the garrisons when a fight broke out, just sometimes we preferred to turtle up on our side of the map, put a Waypoint in our natural keep and ride out the storm for the rest of the day.

We are not doing that strategy this week, which is why we gained a lot of ground on KN. That is why right now we have a ton of people going hard in KN borderland instead of in FA borderland. This is a very even match, and a very fun match. And yes, if we succeed in our strategy we stay in tier 2 where we are a perfect fit – we don’t go to T1 where we would get destroyed by coverage difference and we don’t go back down to T3 where we would win the match 3 hours after reset and be bored for a week. Hopefully nobody from the lower tiers makes any large pushes, then FA will stay in this tier as well where they belong and we can keep pushing Kaineng all day long like we have.

The fact that you call playing smart a defeatist attitude shows why FA is struggling to hold their ground lately PPT wise.

Dr Wah.2153:

TheFug.5278:

selan.8354:

-when facing BG and u guys It happened quite often that we were inside a BG keep trying to get inner gate down, when TC showed up, wiped us and left, not even trying to take bg’s keep…

I remember many of those times. We would come in, kill FA and then leave the keep for BG because we wanted them to remain a presence in that BG so we could maximize our PPT against FA. That is called strategy, because as you guys have already pointed out TC plays to maximize PPT.

Ahh the good old days.

You allow 1st place to keep points and make sure 3rd place doesn’t get them. You’re right – that is a strategy. That’s exactly how you “win” 2nd place. Looking at TC’s match history, you’re very good at 2nd place.

Honest question here….. Why do you care about maximizing PPT? If you aren’t playing to win, then I’m pretty sure the score doesn’t matter. Why not just look for good fights?

2nd place stays in the tier, 3rd place has a good chance of getting bumped.

Have you guys not WvW’ed before? Do you not realize this?

As for looking for good fights, there were plenty of good fights had because we wiped all the FA and all of their reinforcements in the keep first.

I remember camping outside hills killing every FA who tried to come in while Blackgate worked on inner – plenty of good fights were had then!

Strategy. Looking at TC’s match history, we are very good at staying in T2 for extended periods of time and having lots of good fights because of it. The server who loses the most is the one that gets bumped down to a tier where the fights dissappear after reset night due to steamroll.

Mada.5319:

TheFug.5278:

selan.8354:

-when facing BG and u guys It happened quite often that we were inside a BG keep trying to get inner gate down, when TC showed up, wiped us and left, not even trying to take bg’s keep…

I remember many of those times. We would come in, kill FA and then leave the keep for BG because we wanted them to remain a presence in that BG so we could maximize our PPT against FA. That is called strategy, because as you guys have already pointed out TC plays to maximize PPT.

Ahh the good old days.

It’s also called playing for 2nd

It’s a lot better than making excuses for being 3rd

selan.8354:

-when facing BG and u guys It happened quite often that we were inside a BG keep trying to get inner gate down, when TC showed up, wiped us and left, not even trying to take bg’s keep…

I remember many of those times. We would come in, kill FA and then leave the keep for BG because we wanted them to remain a presence in that BG so we could maximize our PPT against FA. That is called strategy, because as you guys have already pointed out TC plays to maximize PPT.

Ahh the good old days.

Here is the thing that most people don’t realize about WvW. Outside of the t1 stacked servers, most servers are basically the same. They consist of a few good guilds stomping pugs, while the pugs fight other pugs and give and take. The only difference is the # of overall people. Delusions that “1 server is better than the other” when it comes to PVP tend to be skewed, because those who troll the forums tend to only run with organized guild groups – and on either server an organized guild group will usually dominate whatever map they are on. That is just how the game works.

FA in general is not superior at pvp – they are on par. The pugs have plenty of give and take. FA has some really good guilds, TC has some really good guilds, and KN has some really good guilds, and when those guilds roll out they fill their bags quickly and think that the other server is so bad. But if you roll out with the militia, you will see that the pugs everywhere are the same – they make the same mistakes and do the same things.

We are not so different. In the end it’s all about coverage. No reason to get upset. This has been a good match, but unfortunately the server who is losing always ends up with a negative view – because nobody likes losing. It’s just coverage, nothing more. Don’t take it to heart.

edit: And yes, TC has a pretty good scouting force. Back when we were on CD, we hated fighting TC because they would have people from PiNK sitting in the supply camps, and the moment you touched one the rest would roll in to kill you.

It’s easy to camp a keep for hours on end when you have some heavy RP’ing to keep you busy! Although if you bust into a keep and find a few shirtless guys, a helpless maiden and a dolyak, just look away – there’s nothing to see there.

nibbles.2408:

You guys can lose like champs, garnering the admiration of BG and KN, but to those you defeat you reveal your darker side.

If we were beating KN, you would still not see us talk negative about them.

KN doesn’t fill their server forum with Anti-TC sentiment though

Both FA and Maguuma seem to think that TC is here to troll people they are beating while staying humble if they are losing, but neither of you realize that sometimes we do venture into your personal server forums and see all of the hate you guys have for us. We didn’t direct any ill will toward Dragonbrand while we were beating them. You guys should just try and participate in the fun and not worry about the forum warrior’ing and we can all have a good time.

This has been a fantastic match up and extremely civil compared to the last few times we met. So far the only real trolls have been from [BT], but they are a group that can actually back up their trolling so we will allow it!

Good week so far, FA really has a strong crew that is determined. With a little additional coverage you guys could really be the t2 top dog for a very long time.

That is exactly why I bought that horn specifically, because it is big and bulky.

The reason they are cheap isn’t because they are bulky, its because ORR is superfarmed 24/7.

I think the horn needs to be bigger.

Haldunius.7864:

Furienify.5738:

Good grief, he complements what is probably the best guild on Fort Aspenwood and you still get your panties in a bunch?

I’m complimenting him too. PiNK was a great challenge when they outnumbered our guilds 2 to 1. They did a great job at showing us how to dominate with fewer numbers. Now that numbers are a little more even I get sad when I see them because I have to waste time at a merchant

It’s good though because all that time spent at the merchant is supporting your local economy. You are a philanthropist!

Have the quality of the chest depend on the upgrades, starting around tier 2 upgrades.

If you take a t3 stonemist then you should get a huge chest. If you take a t2 hills you should get a chest that has maybe an item and some t6 mats and extra badges.

Zikory.6871:

That’s true, SoR would have to really fall to let kain catch up. Tier 2 does look really even overall to let kain get a lead biggest enough. But my point on double teaming still stands (if its happening or not) I would be surprised if it wasn’t going on considering the match up is

Yes, at this point the only way SoR will fall down is if they actively plan to drop a match in order to move Kaineng up, then in theory they could recruit the Kaineng guilds that want to stay in t1 even after they get stomped. But I am sure that a server as proud as SoR would never even consider such a dastardly move!

Yeah, we got stuck in KNBL last night because no one else wanted to go there and it was booring. While the entire time FABL is full of epic fights.

IRSyKo.5843:

Magiofdeath.2745:

WIGZ.8245:

SEA time is just so easy. PvDoor time is super fun time.

I forget, what is TC’s and Kain’s strongest timezone?

This isn’t TC’s timezone.

It’s just that WM and Meow is content with sitting in FA BL for the last hour and a half and not attacking anything else.

They are focusing on you guys today? Oh good, because yesterday they were focusing on us and it got a bit rough

Facet.5914:

Downed state is part of the game, L2P. The downed state is a complex sub-game wherein you either pocket the advantage by piling free damage onto his teammates that res him, or you try to secure the stomp through some combination of anti-anti-stomp measures and CC for his teammates.

You are not supposed to be able to just simply stomp an opponent the first time he gets downed if his teammates pick him up quickly. Downing one enemy is the first stage of multi-phase campaign to win a fight against competent opponents.

That said, Rally (a separate issue) is a big problem in the case where one random pug costs an organized group a fight against another organized group by dying and rallying the entire enemy team.

Yes, because “stack on the downed and spam 1” is really a complex sub-game that adds layered complexity to an already multi-faceted game.

wut

I have been saying it a long time, but the rally mechanic is broken. If they want a rally mechanic, then it needs to be something that is focused – when you are down, lets say you get access to a #5 skill that lets you select one guy and put some sort of channeled debuff on him – if that 1 guy gets downed, you rally.

But the random rallies have to go.

oZii.2864:

TheFug.5278:

The downed state needs a bit of tweaking. In WvW you should not be able to chain rez people. The speed in which people can rez you should be lowered, and there should be an increased penalty taken while rezzing.

If you want to rez people effectively, it needs to be something you actively take part in – you need to be popping skillls that give you stability and regen / quickness before hand or actively using skills / runes that are specific to rezzing. Make people work for their rezzing.

Isn’t just sitting there rezzing not being able to attack enough of a penalty? I am sure many 100bs glass warriors foam at the mouth when they see 2-3 people rezzing a downed person.

No. Plenty of people in my guild know how to pop protection and regen before rezzing while others protect them, and then pop their heals / shout heals the moment the rez goes up. It’s not hard to coordinate near risk free rezzes when you have a core group of guardians / shout warriors who’s job is to hold the line. Most of the time you can rez the person before anyone has any time to set up a 100bs attack, and that is the problem.

One of the biggest problems is the rally mechanic – it needs to go. It has no place here. If you want a rally mechanic, then it needs to be something that the downed person focuses – a beam or a debuff applied to 1 target, and if that target is killed then a rally should occur. But it should not be a random “someone died 20 feet away who I hit one time, free rez!” mechanic. It is utterly ridiculous in its current form.

In DAOC there was pride in owning a keep. Your banners flew high and the guards had your guilds name on it – you were the people who would most likely respond to attack and you would fear certain towers because of the guild that claims it.

There needs to be greater rewards for claiming towers for the guilds that do it – their names need to be on the guards and also on the map after they claim (so you can bring up the map and see who owns what). There needs to be special guild only upgrades, and also the ability to control what upgrades go on the tower (to some extent). Their also needs to be a guild supply option that leaves a supply depot that is only accessible by guild members and guild approved upgrades.

Things like this need to happen to make this game interesting and make people actually want to claim / hold their land. Ofcourse it would be easier to implement this as well if the BG’s were bigger with more things to hold, so smaller guilds could hold smaller supply depots (and other things that could be added later).

Make it so that there are different tiers of active WvW guilds, and those tiers give certain guilds priority over others for a few minutes after cap. Make a 2-3 minute period where different guilds put their names into a bidding list, and the guild with the highest tier / points wins the claim. This will make it so that as long as your guild is present for the flip, the more active one will win the claim. Allow guilds to give up claim to other’s as well.

The downed state needs a bit of tweaking. In WvW you should not be able to chain rez people. The speed in which people can rez you should be lowered, and there should be an increased penalty taken while rezzing.

If you want to rez people effectively, it needs to be something you actively take part in – you need to be popping skillls that give you stability and regen / quickness before hand or actively using skills / runes that are specific to rezzing. Make people work for their rezzing.

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

TheFug.5278:

Combo fields. Make combo fields nullify once 2 or 3 overlap eachother. This will make people spread out and be more deliberate with their combo fields and have to pick and choose how they use them instead of just throwing down a million and only being deliberate with them to stack might and then maybe heal mid fight.

You will see actual groups form and move away to use combo fields. Buff projectiles and whirls as well and you will see those actually be used to a greater effect.

Combo fields already work in some what that manner. The field on the bottom of the stack is the functional field so if someone tossed down a fire field then another water field right away, the fire field is what gets applied and the water field gets ignored until the fire field goes away.

Yes, but that top field still works. So 40 people stacking fields on the front line, even if 3/4 of them overlap you still have 10 different fields to choose from for your random spins / projectiles.

It needs to make it so that standing in the middle of the fight doesn’t proc 1000 combo fields for no reason, they need to be deliberate. also I guarantee that the less combo’ing that goes on, all of that skill lag we have been seing will go away.

Combo fields. Make combo fields nullify once 2 or 3 overlap eachother. This will make people spread out and be more deliberate with their combo fields and have to pick and choose how they use them instead of just throwing down a million and only being deliberate with them to stack might and then maybe heal mid fight.

You will see actual groups form and move away to use combo fields. Buff projectiles and whirls as well and you will see those actually be used to a greater effect.

Aurust.8961:

Jeknar.6184:

Oh you guys know nothing… SoR hired TC and FA to never let Kain go up… It’s simple…

If you only knew what we on SOR are actually planning, you would find your post pretty kitten funny……. just like me.

I know what you guys are supposedly planning and it’s pretty messed up. =/

Here’s a tip – if someone is sitting doing an open tower defense, you just so somewhere else.

Unless KH is the one doing the farming, then please by all means keep pouring into the opening without even bothering to open up a second.

I got trolled.

This thread is quality

So much lag in FABL garrison, Holy cow!

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

JaironKalach.4938:

capuchinseven.8395:

Seriously dude if you think 25 players beating on your garrison door is a zerg you should see (or rather sort of culling see and not see) 30+ outside your door and another 15 beating on your water gate while 15 more take your Bay.

You are putting the weirdest words in my mouth. I’m not talking about the 25. I’m talking about the 50 with golems that show up after we beat the 25 back, or kick the 25 out of somewhere. I don’t know why you continue to presume that you know what my experience has been, ignore my descriptions of it, and then assume I don’t know what I’m talking about. You would do much better to ask questions then continue to be condescending. I’ve done my best to describe the differences between playing against TC vs. playing against FA, and describe why it was less fun, and suggest that Mags has work to do to be able handle it. My hope is that when we next TC (although I doubt we will for a while), we are better prepared for how your server plays.

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Convince people to show up for WvW when we aren’t in the lead. TC does nothing better than us other than bring numbers.

Tc does something better than you – we don’t stop fighting when we lose. We don’t sit in LA or at the world dragon’s while trolling everyone on the forums. Instead we go out and fight.

JPSnow.8296:

Lanimal.6541:

JPSnow.8296:

Twystyd.8453:

Lyndis.2584:

Diashame.6328:

Killtrox.2019:

Actually, alot of guilds decided if we got a good lead (20-30k) alot of us would PvE. We’re taking it easy till FA starts to catch up then alot of us (RISE), WM, CO, and KO will come in and take care of the situation. xD

FA and K-Town couldn’t be two worlds more apart.
No offense but I’ve been here 2 months since the IoJ implosion and the community on this server can’t get enough pvp. They never need a break, you see the same people out every night for hours on end. They care only for points to stay in a high enough tier to have fun battles. They crave to be out numbered or at least only even numbers when going head to head. This seems to be the attitude of 85% of w3’ers on the server.

When my old guild went to K-Town and my long term mmo buddies (now living in a different region) went to FA I had the choice of moving to the bandwagon server or the hardcore but under populated pvp server.

Boy did I make the right decision. The PvP server is so much fun!

Ps: Jayne, Internet not even ordered yet. Told the misses today that she has to order it by Monday or I’m buying a one way ticket back to Australia. (I live in Mexico on a tourist visa and am not able to order it). I can go back to my in-laws to play but not much.

Don’t think you’ve ever been outnumbered this week. :P

Haha, yea that kid is funny. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but he did join a bandwagon. Being from IoJ myself FA received 3-4 times the amount of IoJ guilds as any other server all around the same time. We PvD during Oceanic and they PvD US prime. I guess he’s mad we don’t need to fight 7 days to win the match.

All servers in top three tiers are “bandwagon” servers. Without numbers you can’t be here. Kain got there numbers from lots of different severs and kitten most from IOJ same, same really. What happens with any server is the people on it start to show there skill and people like what the see and join. It’s the nature of the game. You can’t really hate on any server for it. If they weren’t good people wouldn’t have come take it as complement

Except for TC, we were lucky to start at launch with a really high population.

Lol I knew someone would try and say that…. No offence as I’m not trying to start a argument but TC is no different. Half of cd guilds transferred there about a month and half ago and you have the largest “bandwagon” population though most came for the role play aspect. I’m not saying fort aspenwood or any server is better facts are facts you can’t be this high in the ladder without people joining you

TC only got 2 guilds from CD.. not 15 guilds like kitten from IOJ.

LasergunsPewPew.8234:

loled hard at thief fear
how exactly can they do this except stealing from a nekro?

That is exactly how they can do it. They can steal from a necro, and somehow the fear that they steal is far superior to the fear that necro’s have.

So why the lol?

kerona.3465:

TheFug.5278:

Do you not know what TC did to FA over a few digital dolyaks?

We take it personally. You hurt our feelings.

I’ll remember that tonight as I play my tiny violin while sipping whine.

You can play the violin? That’s cool!

kerona.3465:

TheFug.5278:

kerona.3465:

TC acting like we’d have more points if we were puppies and kittens and rainbows on the forum.

Laugh.

You actually might.

TC must take forums very seriously, then.

Do you not know what TC did to FA over a few digital dolyaks?

We take it personally. You hurt our feelings.

kerona.3465:

TC acting like we’d have more points if we were puppies and kittens and rainbows on the forum.

Laugh.

You actually might.

IRSyKo.5843:

TheFug.5278:

WIGZ.8245:

KrazyFlyinChicken.5936:

Furiousbeard.7602:

I think FA will ride the tier 2 roller coaster for a while until we get stronger in our weak time zones. Once TC rejoins tier 2 I could see us taking more 3rd place finishes. Last time we faced TC we couldn’t beat them.

I disagree. Even back when we first hit T2, I think we were better than TC. We were leading them by 10k points up until a day in the mid-week when the queue in our own BL bugged out. We had 10 people defending with an hour long queue.

We lost everything. Dropped 20k pts and couldn’t make up the ground before reset.

Quite true.

TC only has coverage. Much like Tier 1 servers. Which isn’t anything bad, it’s just a reality of what it takes to be in Tier 1. Numbers + enough time zone coverage.

Otherwise, there hasn’t been a moment vs TC where BT hasn’t roflstomped through their forces. They are full of delicious bags, so tender, so sweet. Their tears on the forums are like nectar, almost as good as Maguuma’s. A hint of roleplay instead of trolling. Distinct. Delicious. Coupled with some dolyak meat, quite tantilizing a meal.

I remember the first time seeing the BT zerg in TC borderlands. You guys absolutely destroyed our pugs over and over again. It was pretty cool.

But then ofcourse KH started their raid night, came out of the garrison, absolutely stomped your entire BT zerg and every single one of you magically dissapeared from the borderland leaving us to PVdoor for the rest of the night. It was pretty dissapointing.

I can’t wait to see you guys again hopefully in T2 – it would be nice to see you actually stay and fight.

And if you don’t want any TC to take part in your thread, then maybe you should guys should stay out of our thread. But ofcourse that’s not how it works around here, everyone is just looking for their opportunity to troll after all.

I know your trolling.

We would never leave a BL if we were to wipe, simply means that there is a worthy opponent on the BL.

With that said I don’t recall seeing KH with more than 10 or so people last matchup.

Hopefully I am wrong and we can have some good fights!

Shut up wigz

Darnit, I was trying to give you guys the trolling that you asked for but it didn’t work!

KH has a later schedule than most people – we tend to be starting our raid nights as others are ending theirs. I think BT was at the end of it’s stretch for the night (after completely destroying everyone else in the BL for hours), so after we finally all got in I think it was just too late for you guys to stay.

If we get together again we will try to put together an earlier group to get some open field combat with some of you guys – we wouldn’t mind dieing to a worthy opponent a few times. We got bored fighting the same PRO and GODS late night crew over and over again (even though they never gave up and kept fighting no matter what unlike many of the t2 guilds we fought),

WIGZ.8245:

KrazyFlyinChicken.5936:

Furiousbeard.7602:

I think FA will ride the tier 2 roller coaster for a while until we get stronger in our weak time zones. Once TC rejoins tier 2 I could see us taking more 3rd place finishes. Last time we faced TC we couldn’t beat them.

I disagree. Even back when we first hit T2, I think we were better than TC. We were leading them by 10k points up until a day in the mid-week when the queue in our own BL bugged out. We had 10 people defending with an hour long queue.

We lost everything. Dropped 20k pts and couldn’t make up the ground before reset.

Quite true.

TC only has coverage. Much like Tier 1 servers. Which isn’t anything bad, it’s just a reality of what it takes to be in Tier 1. Numbers + enough time zone coverage.

Otherwise, there hasn’t been a moment vs TC where BT hasn’t roflstomped through their forces. They are full of delicious bags, so tender, so sweet. Their tears on the forums are like nectar, almost as good as Maguuma’s. A hint of roleplay instead of trolling. Distinct. Delicious. Coupled with some dolyak meat, quite tantilizing a meal.

I remember the first time seeing the BT zerg in TC borderlands. You guys absolutely destroyed our pugs over and over again. It was pretty cool.

But then ofcourse KH started their raid night, came out of the garrison, absolutely stomped your entire BT zerg and every single one of you magically dissapeared from the borderland leaving us to PVdoor for the rest of the night. It was pretty dissapointing.

I can’t wait to see you guys again hopefully in T2 – it would be nice to see you actually stay and fight.

And if you don’t want any TC to take part in your thread, then maybe you should guys should stay out of our thread. But ofcourse that’s not how it works around here, everyone is just looking for their opportunity to troll after all.

Sam.3645:

Digikid.7230:

Sam.3645:

Good defense there inside Mag-Garrison lord room… not sure why we could not contest your Waypoint to save our lives, even though we were hitting the inner water gate with 4omegas, the WP still would not contest ! >.>

My 20g ploped… and now I’m a sad panda.

When I saw those omegas roll in, I thought we’d lose garrison for sure- I’m proud of all the maguumans who defended the place

NVM my previous comment… learned something new today… inner watergate isn’t really a gate so it’s not contestable? …

It’s not really a gate – it’s just a big piece of paper with a door painted on it. It’s only there for you to bust through like the kool-aid man. OH YEAH!

GuardianOMS.8067:

Shrouded.6450:

Yes, lots of us know this and know what it’s like. But your people have admitted that you need this “morale booster.”

A number of people, they’re not the ones who fought at the end of the week to keep our server in T2 though….

When you run around in zergballs that are enough to steamroll your opponents simply by smashing 1 due to your sheer numbers makes it’s honestly difficult to see the skill level of the people involved. This does not only pertain to TC, it’s anyone who’s filled those shoes at some point. Mag, FA, Kain, any server.

I don’t think there is any irony in pointing out that a server with overwhelming population advantage doesn’t have much chance to demonstrate skill, but that’s my opinion.

Good, for a minute there I thought you were trying to single TC out…

How… what.. I said all we did was zerg around in T4 and there was so skill involved. Why would you… I don’t even…. ERROR

CD/EBay/Yak’s will always think Maguuma is a zerg server, because they lost people and we didn’t and simply do not met our numbers. That being said, lots of people in Yak’s and Ebay actually like and respect Maguuma. I know, it’s hard to believe!

TC has always been a zerg server, for christ’s sake it’s why you’ve been in T2 for so long. All I’m saying is that people using 20 others as a safety net and being able to flash build seven pieces of siege is not really something I can look upon as skill. This does not mean you do not have skill, it simply means, AS I SAID, it is difficult to see. There’s nothing wrong with not being impressed by you, it’s not meant to be something offensive. I’ve yet to witness a TC group butting heads with our group of similar numbers and just rolling us. When that happens, I will humbly congratulate them. But for all the reasons I have listed, it’s just nearly impossible to do at the moment.

You sound pretty mad.

I think you getting counter trolled.

Maybe you need to step away and try enjoying the game instead of getting all worked up on the forums, mate.

Maethril.9586:

Treeline.3865:

You do not farm for days and not see a rare.

hoy, no offence but in normal maps you can farm days without getting even single rare. I had once 2 weeks when I didn’t even see rare while I was running in orr and frostgorge, also doing some dragons, while I played 8-10 hours day.
So honestly it was really really unrewarding.

In dungeons though I get them at least one rare in 3 runs. But I don’t count them as normal map event etc running/farming. Since they are “DUNGEONS”.
Thus I love new dragon loot system, at least something in this game rewards me for actually doing it.

Sorry, but that is a lie.

You are exaggerating to make a point. Stop it.

GuardianOMS.8067:

Maguuma is failing because people are on the forums and not in WvW. I love this game.

John Widdin.9618:

I really didn’t have much of an idea what to do with the 20 people I had against the 40+ people TC roaming around in a tight group.

You kill them, obviously.

Excuse, me. You kill them, then win.

Someone gets it!

It’s hard to be the funny pal when you have 60 people inside of their battleground basically camping their spawn. That’s just no fun for anyone.

As for finding the “fun fights”, it’s hard to find the fun fights because it means you have to wade through the less fun ones for a few hours. Most of the organized guilds are not WvW’ing this week because it really is not fun to sit outside of the enemy spawn with a 30 man guild group – it’s a pretty mean thing to do. So while you guys could have organized open field combat going on, we are all just trying to lag our way through Jormag because our last WvW experience was not worth staying for.

In the end it’s all a population issue. Every server has their organized guilds that are good at pvp, and they have their pug groups. The dynamic is usually the same – just in different proportions.

ParaldaWind.4523:

kfarb.6732:

Lanimal.6541:

Next understand that TC as a community has a lot of militia presence spread among lots of small guilds. If as a guild group you are priding yourself on the back of wiping mixed-militia groups then you are easily pleased. Do fight our established guild groups then make an assessment, we have several good open-field specialist guilds who would gladly help in maguuma’s ‘evolution’.

P.S. 1pko

Thank you for admitting that TC has more players than the servers you’re facing.

You pride yourselves on your militia (which Maguuma just calls “players”), but then you mention that you have organized guilds who would stomp us. Who and where are they? Maguuma doesn’t rely on any one guild to carry a reputation. If we ever organized an actual gvg fight (lol not 30v30), you’d see a mix of guild tags.

Also, to whoever said we claim to never die, I die quite often. I think you’re trying to incite a flame war which is against the forum rules.

Yeah, I don’t understand the whole “militia” thing. Our players rarely have more than 5 from one particular guild together… If you guys don’t train every player, how are you going to win when there’s no guild events going on?

Super servers like SoS/HoD/JQ/ET etc all relied on guilds to have coverage of everything… when one of those guilds didn’t show, they would get stomped, and if one guild transferred, the whole server would collapse. You don’t want to rely only on guild events, I think.

TC, your coverage and population is great, but if you guys want to win in T2, I really think it’s your open field combat that hurts you.

You are right though. There are a lot of situations on TC where people are afraid to fight in the open. But the thing is, I don’t think my fellow server mates want to win in T2 – they just want to have fun. That is why we moved to TC – because we might lose a lot, but the main focus of this server is still to have fun. We could have bandwagoned to BG or SoS a long time ago, but we stayed on CD until a few people on TC finally convinced us to switch over and start having fun.

So we have a few guilds who are really coordinated and great at PVP, while our militia (numbers) will keep playing and having fun. I don’t see it as a bad thing. None of us want to be a superserver, because those superservers are toxic.

GuardianOMS.8067:

TheFug.5278:

GuardianOMS.8067:

TheFug.5278:

This happened last time we fought Maguuma, even when we were on CD.

They pull the “lol we never die and pwn you guys so hard” card out. Then they talk about how bad we are.

And then when they actually go up against organized guild groups they all get dominated and promptly leave the BG while blaming numbers.

Guys, it’s getting a bit tired.

Yup, that’s what always happens. Please, tell me more. Because CD never did this! Oh no no no.

It is what always happens. When I first heard we were going up against Maguuma again, I told my guildies that we would be seeing the “we never die!” card being thrown out again. Sure enough, there it is.

Why don’t you guys stop trolling the forums and try playing the game for once, you might actually have fun.

Until then I am going to keep RP’ing. I like collecting badges while dressing up like a pretty pirate.

No way! Maguuma is in the same situation and you guessed that we would react the same way?! Please teach me, sensei! . It’s not hard to guess how forums warriors are gonna act, just as how we know how TC and CD acts. Nothing changes. If you’re tired of it, go have fun.

But the fact that you’ve been trolling as well kind of makes you seem like you should be practicing what you preach.

We would like to have fun, but you guys refuse to fight back. This week is quite boring. We actually had to stop raid night to go do guild bounties because nobody else would come out and fight. I think you guys are too worried about losing. On TC we were getting zerg stomped for weeks (yes, some servers have more people than us) and yet we never stopped fighting back, and we always had people trying to take and hold what we have. It seems like you guys just give up.

You’d be surprised what you can accomplish by not giving up right away.

GuardianOMS.8067:

TheFug.5278:

This happened last time we fought Maguuma, even when we were on CD.

They pull the “lol we never die and pwn you guys so hard” card out. Then they talk about how bad we are.

And then when they actually go up against organized guild groups they all get dominated and promptly leave the BG while blaming numbers.

Guys, it’s getting a bit tired.

Yup, that’s what always happens. Please, tell me more. Because CD never did this! Oh no no no.

It is what always happens. When I first heard we were going up against Maguuma again, I told my guildies that we would be seeing the “we never die!” card being thrown out again. Sure enough, there it is.

Why don’t you guys stop trolling the forums and try playing the game for once, you might actually have fun.

Until then I am going to keep RP’ing. I like collecting badges while dressing up like a pretty pirate.

This happened last time we fought Maguuma, even when we were on CD.

They pull the “lol we never die and pwn you guys so hard” card out. Then they talk about how bad we are.

And then when they actually go up against organized guild groups they all get dominated and promptly leave the BG while blaming numbers.

Guys, it’s getting a bit tired.

zastari.1730:

Urrid.4593:

If you cannot stop a 80+ person zerg auto attacking doors something is clearly wrong on your end. (2 arrow carts.)

We just got most of our guild (6 people) to go take NE tower on our map. By the time we brought supply back there were about 40 TC on our door and maybe around 20 Mag on the map altogether. Let me know what to do there because you sound like a pretty brilliant tactician.

You could try killing them.

TIMMEH.8106:

Wouldn’t TC rather stay in T2 on their own accomplishments, rather then be assisted by there current match enemy?

TC would rather participate in a match that is full of respect and fun rather than end up in a tier full of self proclaimed forum warriors, trolls and WvW pro’s.

We like this tier and the people in it.

We had lots of fun with GoF and Icoa in TCBL tonight. The fight for your natural supply camp was just hilarious. Someone told us that you guys had snuck a group into the hills, but we all unanimously decided to let it go in order to keep fighting for the camp because it was just too much fun. Good fights by all.

You people need to learn to run necro bombs. 1 necro can be cleansed, a few necros using epidemic will drop zergs in an instant. The amount of conditions that a group of necros paired with 1 or 2 engineers can inflict on people in insane, and no amount of condition removal can keep up (and even then people will have to run EXTRA condition removal to try and keep up and that takes up extra slots).

l2necro.

I have had this happen on my necro as well, where despite not being downed previously I will go down and instantly be dead after 1 hit – no other class I have had has this issue. It is always mindboggling when it happens, and it has happened in both PVE and PVP.

It is not normal. It takes a lot to kill you while you are in the downstate (outside of certain dungeons and PVP finishers).

Air.6452:

Darxio.5672:

The offerings? Seriously? They’re +6 to stats. That’s like saying get rid of infusions because some people don’t have them in their ascended gear and don’t feel like getting them and thus are playing at a +5 stat disadvantage.

All classes are capable of using consumables to.

Theoretically, no one should be complaining about them because they ALL have access if they want to.

That is the absolutely wrong way to look at things. It really is. If something is unbalanced, the way to fix it is to not “give everyone access”, as the game is not designed around those unbalanced elements being utilized by everybody. The items either have to be balanced or removed – not given to everyone to be exploited and make the game even worse when it comes to balance.

20+ sounds like small groups. 45+ is when we hit zerg territory!

Right now KNBL is exhibiting the worst lag and culling we have ever seen in this game. It is unplayable. If they don’t fix this soon, this game will not last another month or two.