Guild Wars 2

alchemyst.2165:

Cross server fights are always so sexy :P

Agreed, thats why even though this vid only has one fight i thought i should post it .

In this short vid , my buddy Beyond B ( From Mag ) and I ( From SOS ) take on a group of FA guys at a camp

Thanx guys , glad you like the "kinsz against the world " bit lol.

The little white circle is my mouse’s movement being tracked by my recording software , i didn’t set it up that way but it seems it records every aspect of your gameplay.

Hey guys its me again :-) been a bit since my last vid so i bring you a new one , some feedbacks will be appreciated.

builds are the same , 2/0/0/6/6 and 2/0/6/0/6.

Are people kitten or something ? of course no other zerker should stand up to the thief in 1 v 1 thats how it was meant to be , its working as intended.

Go read the thief’s bio while you are it .

Noted , all very good suggestions though i think ill stick to strength runes and power of inertia , the might stack is too good with those two combined which in turn makes you hit like a truck .

2/0/0/6/6 really doesn’t offer much more than this build besides the extra condi clear you get from taking Pain response , to make up for the lack of condi removal I’m running purity and generosity sigils on my bow.

Combined training and SS are both good choices it really comes down to the player’s choice when you are deciding which one to take as all 3 traits ( improvisation included ) give you good options

BTW if you wonder why there is a plus condi duration food on a power build its because with this build you get 10% more dmg when your enemy has condis on them hence my choice of oil.

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAsYVl0Mp7plOxwJ8PNBNB5dY+SZ0NAzuvjA-TFCFABCcCAQS53hq/Uy+DRcIAa7IAAwDA4KlgkCgJhVA-w

if you have tips to make this build better ill be happy to hear them .

Nocta.5274:

When Sword 2 return was instant and stunbreaker ?
When Sword dagger 3 removed 2 boons each times ?
When Shortbow had 1200 range ?

Lots happened.

Everytime I remember that S/D 2 was instant cast I get misty eyed , god I miss it , it made sword play so freaking fluid , now however it’s so clunky ugh.

Moobs.8231:

TheThiefMaster.3812:

Moobs.8231:

Elitist.8701:

S/D thieves aren’t OP. In teamfights they dont have that much sustain, they only have 3 evades every 5 seconds unless they use Signet, and once focused they die really fast. They cant 1v1 engis, hambows, eles, or Necros ON POINT which is the only place where 1v1s matter. They’re only slightly more mobile than D/P thieves in terms of landspeed. Speaking of D/P thieves they HARDCOUNTER S/D thieves. Black Powder destroyed any X/D thief.

That’s a funny thing to say considering our thief who runs s/d never loses to caed

Thats because that thief is outplaying caed , d/p counters most thief sets aside from P/D because the latter doesn’t require you to go in melee range thus negating the blind spam.

caed is probably the best d/p thief mechanically so i think youre pretty stupid saying how it counters s/d then because no one should be able to beat him on s/d

Im going to try to not jump into conclusions and call you an idiot but its hard to not do so when you make idiotic posts like this.

Caed isn’t the best d/p thief in the game its a tittle given to him by people who are clueless , like you , about any other side of this game not named sPVP .

And D/P DOES counter S/D in 1 v 1 as the black powder combined with shadow shot literally shut you down when you are melee ( media guards not included ) , so as an S/D thief fighting a D/P thief you have to constantly try to stay out of the BP radius in order for your attacks to land which is hard as kitten given how fast paced thief V thief fights are.

A well played d/p thief will completely shut down an S/D thief as chances are he will be constantly blinding you making you miss your steals , cnds etc….

XPGAMER.7324:

TheThiefMaster.3812:

JohnnyZero.5619:

TheThiefMaster.3812:

i’d love to see you use your so called smarter build against a perplexity terrormancer or a perplexity engi in WvW, then again you are just making things up as you simply wont win against those specs without SA unless the players are terrible , no ifs and buts it’s just the way it is :-).

That’s a pretty broad generalization to say that someone “simply wont win against those specs without SA”.

My argument is that a thief could be become a better player if he/she doesn’t use SA traits.

Your argument is that a thief player can’t get by without SA traits.

Which sounds more positive to you?

Though you may have a point, I play sPvP a lot more than I play WvW these days, and Perplexity runes don’t exist in sPvP. I wonder why that is?

I play both game modes , i’ve ran all specs ( the known ones at least ) in both Spvp and WvW so I’m speaking from experience , against certain specs , like the ones i mentioned above , you simply need SA.

This is coming from someone who hardly ever uses SA anymore by the way , even in WvW .

All I’m saying is d/d almost always needs SA, it isn’t a set of training wheels, its the crutch for the weaponset.

D/D needs SA in the face of condi otherwise its playable without it , thats my opinion at least .

JohnnyZero.5619:

TheThiefMaster.3812:

i’d love to see you use your so called smarter build against a perplexity terrormancer or a perplexity engi in WvW, then again you are just making things up as you simply wont win against those specs without SA unless the players are terrible , no ifs and buts it’s just the way it is :-).

That’s a pretty broad generalization to say that someone “simply wont win against those specs without SA”.

My argument is that a thief could be become a better player if he/she doesn’t use SA traits.

Your argument is that a thief player can’t get by without SA traits.

Which sounds more positive to you?

Though you may have a point, I play sPvP a lot more than I play WvW these days, and Perplexity runes don’t exist in sPvP. I wonder why that is?

I play both game modes , i’ve ran all specs ( the known ones at least ) in both Spvp and WvW so I’m speaking from experience , against certain specs , like the ones i mentioned above , you simply need SA.

This is coming from someone who hardly ever uses SA anymore by the way , even in WvW .

JohnnyZero.5619:

a t s e.9614:

Anyway , every viable build is faceroll in this game. I don’t think SA thief is worse than the other crap such as petting zoo necro/ranger , hambow warr , turret engi etc..

I don’t begrudge those who want to play their SA thief in WvW, though I do believe its a “training wheels” spec, and they could be just as effective with a smarter build and play style.

i’d love to see you use your so called smarter build against a perplexity terrormancer or a perplexity engi in WvW, then again you are just making things up as you simply wont win against those specs without SA unless the players are terrible , no ifs and buts it’s just the way it is :-).

I use S/D with D/P as my off hand when i raid or do GvGs , i’ve ran 3 different builds so far when doing so , 2/6/6 , 0/6/6/2 , 2/0/2/4/6 and 2/0/0/6/6 which is what i currently run.

I got a vid of me raiding in this thread , the build and gears are linked there too , feel free to check it out .

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Acro-S-D-Roaming-Raiding-Updated-part-2/first#post4211762

The last part of the video is where you’ll find my raiding.

Yea it definitely looks like him , what was he doing using S/P though isn’t he normally a D/D user ? guess he thought he would counter you with that lol.

Moobs.8231:

Elitist.8701:

S/D thieves aren’t OP. In teamfights they dont have that much sustain, they only have 3 evades every 5 seconds unless they use Signet, and once focused they die really fast. They cant 1v1 engis, hambows, eles, or Necros ON POINT which is the only place where 1v1s matter. They’re only slightly more mobile than D/P thieves in terms of landspeed. Speaking of D/P thieves they HARDCOUNTER S/D thieves. Black Powder destroyed any X/D thief.

That’s a funny thing to say considering our thief who runs s/d never loses to caed

Thats because that thief is outplaying caed , d/p counters most thief sets aside from P/D because the latter doesn’t require you to go in melee range thus negating the blind spam.

ugh so bad …….jk jk awesome vid as always man , the best fights for me were the old 2/6/0/0/6 ones just because its such a hard build to use in WvW esp with S/D , keep them coming .

Emi.4152:

TheThiefMaster.3812:

Emi.4152:

TheThiefMaster.3812:

Lux.7169:

Oh wow, I think I actually hurt some people’s feelings XD

I didn’t realize the pve community was so sensitive. Perhaps the guide should address this <3

PVE community lol how about we set up some 1 v 1s to settle this :-).

I wanna join in on the 1 v 1s too! or do i have to start flaming to attend? :P

yes please caed! to the post someone made about showing the shadowstep spots in pvp!

Yes no flaming = no 1 v 1 .

mmm… you are a noob cake and/or muffin, s/d cheesy PVE spam stealth bads etc. !

OK you done done it now , fite me….irl .

Emi.4152:

TheThiefMaster.3812:

Lux.7169:

Oh wow, I think I actually hurt some people’s feelings XD

I didn’t realize the pve community was so sensitive. Perhaps the guide should address this <3

PVE community lol how about we set up some 1 v 1s to settle this :-).

I wanna join in on the 1 v 1s too! or do i have to start flaming to attend? :P

yes please caed! to the post someone made about showing the shadowstep spots in pvp!

Yes no flaming = no 1 v 1 .

Lux.7169:

Oh wow, I think I actually hurt some people’s feelings XD

I didn’t realize the pve community was so sensitive. Perhaps the guide should address this <3

PVE community lol how about we set up some 1 v 1s to settle this :-).

Win ratio is not the best way to judge someone’s skill lvl , I’ve solo team queued a lot and 60 – 70 % of that time i’ve been paired with either terrible players or gone up against teams that were not pugs and were actually in comms. Not everyone has a tpvp team or care to get one.

Another example is how my buddies and I were goofing around and decided to queue with a comp of 2 turret engis 1 condi warrior and 2 eles , we annihilated pretty much everything we’ve faced , if we played 20 games we’d win at least 19 of them , as a result of your ranking shoots up.

Say we do that for a couple of more weeks there is no doubt our ranking would keep shooting up, does that make us awesome players ? nope , we were getting carried by our cheese builds so again basing someone’s skill on his/her win ratio is pretty silly esp when you consider that Spvp isn’t the only game mode .

panicbutton.1053:

XPGAMER.7324:

5. I don’t think a guide will change that, I mean theres a reason that the player chose d/p. It’s the easiest of any thief weaponset to learn, I don’t see much of a reason for a guide.

6. What do you intend to teach in the guide? 5 1 1 1 2 1, interupt with 4, 3 is gap close, 2 when their low. When your health gets low, heal. Stunbreak out of stuns. Don’t miss your mug. Sorry if I spoilled most of the guide for you

For point six, you pretty much nailed it, but you make it sound terrible. There’s large variations of moves that D/P’s are capable of achieving, especially with SB for offhand. All of the weapon skills are viable for D/P and have their place in a fight. You have access to dazes, stealth, blind, and the ability to remain glued to a target. Again, D/P uses all of it’s skills. My question is though, how do you feel about D/D then? D/D is even easier imo — You land CnD and go for a backstab, then occasionally heartseeker…That’s it. I love D/D and occasionally play it, but it’s pretty two dimensional and slow gameplay. Everything D/D does, D/P can do better. There is a big reason why S/D and D/P are used prominently.

For point five, are you implying that D/D is harder to learn?

D/D may not be harder to learn per se but it sure as hell is harder to play than D/P . i’ve roamed with both its way easier to stay alive with D/P than any other set we got.

Keep in mind I’m not arguing build vs build I’m just talking weapon sets as they are.

ConRae.3526:

Nimrud.5642:

ConRae.3526:

Nimrud.5642:

I’m really hoping D/P will be buffed soon

What part of it do you think needs buffed? D/P is still strong in the right hands, it might not need to be buffed, but other specs need to be toned down a bit in certain areas.

Condi removal for one. And a little dmg increase would fix it imho. There’s a reason why S/D became ‘the meta’. Blind and stealth are still inferior to endless evades though. But that can be made up with practice and skill. I think D/P lacks only minor things, but too many of them. I really like the gamble feeling with such a squishy toon, but more dmg should come in return. Now you almost have to work as much for a kill as an S/D thief but you have a lot less survivability. This is my noobie opinion.

There has been a discussion what is wrong with S/D, whether it be the Acrobatics line/Trickery line, or something wrong with steal, I hope it does get toned down, because 4 dodges in a row is pretty lame.

How does an S/D thief dodge 4 times in a row (no Signet of agility doesn’t have anything to do with S/D all sets could benefit from it ) and i hope for your sake that you aren’t counting flanking strike as 1 of those ’" 4 " dodges.

Also you do realize that if the trickery line gets nerfed it wouldn’t be a big blow to S/d alone all thieves would suffer for it.

Your post just comes off as a " i ‘m bad at fighting S/D thieves pls Anet Nurf them so they’d be easy kills for me" ….l2p tx.

Deathcon.5903:

Awesome video, I am just starting to play thief and I am wondering if you have tips for Engineers and Ele’s and how well do you do against those classes normally?

well against eles one thing i do is once i get the steal from them i use it forcing them into water then try to burst them , i go on the defensive when they swap to fire and won’t blow all my dodges until they have used their burning speed .

Another way to go is don’t use the stolen item you get from them until they have swapped from water then they’d get a 10 sec chill which screws with their attunement swapping . Things you gotta really watch out for are burning speed , drake breath ( burn hurts ) and air auto , churning earth hurts but not many ever use that in 1 v 1s.

As for Engis its hard to explain but i got a vid with me fighting 1 at the beginning of it and 1 around the end ( he was perplexity , turret so super tough )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IARwtTwLms

at min 11 i also fight an ele 1 v 1 see if you can learn from that.

hey folks its me again :-) bringing you some more 1 v 1s, brawls and raiding footage ( thats new i know but i wanted to show people that the acro build could work in large scale fights as well ).

Unfortunately roaming hasn’t been great this week so i wasn’t able to get any good outnumbered fights that i didn’t involve me fighting 10 plus .

Anyways the build is the same ( 2/0/0/6/6 ) as in the last vids and as always feedbacks are appreciated , enjoy.

Build and gear here http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAV8Yl0Mp0pdPxwJ8PNBNB5dY+SZ0KAdfk+2EA-TlCFABHqaDEXAgS2fotHAAAHBgCVT4KlgCcQAQS5RSKxIFQELjA-w

Awesome vid as always Nightblade , the fight at north camp especially was great.

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Wow Kinz your a pro s/d thief :o. That was really amazing to watch. Shame that im in t1 atm but I will get some money soon and come back to t2. Be fun to watch you murder everyone lol.

Ahah tx Rytlock , btw why did you move to T1 dude there are a lot of fights to be had in T2 these days so come back home .

ZerFrost.3542:

The title says it all. Thief has been my first toon, first class, and was my first 80. The problem i have is i can’t survive that well in wvw, i believe it to be my armor set then again I do suck. Help me out will you my fellow thieves.

Traits: 0/6/6/2/0
D/D & SB
Zerk dagger with sigil of force / Assassin dagger with lifesteal (play mobas)
Armor in order from head going down to boots; zerk,cav,soldier,cav,zerk,zerk
Trinket are all ascended with Zerk/Valk stats

I’m not sure my armor if my choices we’re good LOL.

With your build i’d go 2 zero armor pieces rest Valk ( or all Valk ) and Cav trinks assuming you are running hidden killer.

As for dying , well you can’t help that no matter how legit your gear is you won’t survive every fight esp outnumbered ones which i assume are the type you usually get into.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Superb positioning and environmental awareness is what, IMO, makes a great video.

+1

Tx man , appreciate the comment .

Nex.2450:

Beauty vid, keep em coming!

:D i should have another one up tonight or tomorrow , just need a couple of more fights to finish it off.

Galandil.9641:

How did you manage to change the cursor color to blue? It’s a life saver!

Its the software i recorded with that does that , it doesn’t really happen in game .

Jekkt.6045:

TheThiefMaster.3812:

i expect a “well i don’t care about WvW” comment but the thing is i don’t care whether you care or not i bring it up because Arena net take all game modes into consideration when nerfing a set and another big nerf to S/D will see it dead anywhere besides spvp.

stop talking bs. pistol whip nerf was PvP only too.

and nobody uses s/d for pve anyway.

So what do you suggest genius? You want the acro line to be nerfed in SPVP only ?

This thread is full of QQs waaa i struggle against sword dagger thieves why you no make them easy kills for me Anet pls pls pls.
April 10th saw a big nerf to S/D as a set already and the overall vigor upkeep for thieves , this 2/0/0/6/6 might be meta in spvp ( i assume thats the only game mode 99% of you have any clue about ) but try using it say in WvW ( where sets like D/P are beyond OP ) and then tell me how ’easy" of a build it is.

i expect a “well i don’t care about WvW” comment but the thing is i don’t care whether you care or not i bring it up because Arena net take all game modes into consideration when nerfing a set and another big nerf to S/D will see it dead anywhere besides spvp.

I do agree with most regarding the sigils however thieves aren’t the only ones who benefit from that so the problem is with the way the sigils proc rather than the S/D thief.

i mean why don’t we nerf D/D eles because they could have insane sustain by putting 30 in water and yet hit like a truck because of the might stacking they get from strength runes …………see how kitten i sounded there you sound exactly the same in case you are wondering .

Is this just happening to me is it a legit game bug , i’d literally be in people’s face yet when i try to steal to them i get the "out of range " my steal goes on CD.

Cufufalating.8479:

Nice video, but I must admit I laughed at your stomp attempt on the 2nd fight. It was such a perfect example of “overplaying” it :p

LOL! yea i should gone for a more simplistic stomp.

Quakeman.9378:

Awesome playing! Quick question though, Which build do you use the most?

Tx , lately i play 2/0/0/6/6 the most i swap to the other 2 when i know I’m going to have to deal with heavy condi .

I know i just posted a vid yesterday but i was bored so i decided to record yet another one today and share it with you ladies and gents .

The builds i use in this vid are 2/0/0/6/6 , 2/0/2/4/6 and 2/0/6/0/6 .
once again i haven’t edited anything out so you’ll see me die in some fights :-) anyways enjoy

lordmeowalot.8135:

Really nice stuff. That match with the first thief was beautiful!

How do you think this sort of s/d build would do hunting perimeter groups in zergs? I don’t really roam but like to roll with zergs and atm I am using a 0/6/6/2/0 full valk armor, full zerk trinkets build.

i use this same build for raiding with my guild , i do GvGs with it as well and so far it has worked pretty well.

Carpboy.7145:

TheThiefMaster.3812:

Carpboy.7145:

Carpboy.7145:

Nice vid, keep up the good work. Ive just barely transferred to dragonbrand and have definitely seen you a few times. Got killed by you on my fresh air ele :/ heh funny just saw you again. that condi war you killed twice.

O LOL! that was you! aha well those fights were good ones , to be honest when i saw you with sword sword i thought i was done for since my condi removal is terrible , i was running 2/0/2/4/6 with blind on stealth in SA when i fought you but luckily i was able to dodge most of your big stuff.

yeah you dodged pindown and impale every single time. was super annoying

actually you got me with impale a couple of times but it didn’t stick too long , were you not running condi duration food?

Crapatguitar.3210:

terrible thief gameplay, 2/10 would not want you in gank.

rofl mad

Carpboy.7145:

Carpboy.7145:

Nice vid, keep up the good work. Ive just barely transferred to dragonbrand and have definitely seen you a few times. Got killed by you on my fresh air ele :/ heh funny just saw you again. that condi war you killed twice.

O LOL! that was you! aha well those fights were good ones , to be honest when i saw you with sword sword i thought i was done for since my condi removal is terrible , i was running 2/0/2/4/6 with blind on stealth in SA when i fought you but luckily i was able to dodge most of your big stuff.

Carpboy.7145:

Nice vid, keep up the good work. Ive just barely transferred to dragonbrand and have definitely seen you a few times. Got killed by you on my fresh air ele :/

Tx dude , this is actually the first vid i’ve made but there will definitely be more since this current match up with dragonbrand and FA is providing a lot of good fights .

awesome stuff guys, i love the editing job not to mention the fights :-)

Now this video isn’t about my crazy skills or anything its just to show people that you can in fact roam without shadow Art in WvW.

I haven’t edited anything out , i actually do die in a fight in this video

voting for you too , i mean its not like some of the people on that list aren’t average at best as well , anyways enjoy your time in Germany.

S/D is awesome in wvw , but not with acro , run the 2/0/6/0/6 . check out Amonatory’s youtube for reference.

If you’re talking spvp then Condi engis will always be a huge problem in WvW however you can easily deal with them by
A) run shadow arts , shadow’s embrace , cloak in shadow and shadow’s rejuvenation.

b) have pistol dagger off hand , they melt to that set ( you don’t have to be condi , i am not , power p/d works just fine ).

The combo of throw gunk and sneak attack is so deadly , you easily stack burn , poison and confusion of them and engis usually have terrible condi cleanse.
actually. you can combo it with dancing daggers or even auto attack on short bow these are little things that matter when fighting an engi

I’m terrible at explaining stuff lol but if you are in game message me we’ll go into an spvp dueling room and i’d fight an engi there so you can see what i mean.

i have an easier time beating necros with my sword dagger , because your autos do not only hit the necro but they also do his 2 of his pets at the same time, not to mention you got cloak and dagger in case you get into trouble.

i’ve been running 2/0/2/4/6 for the longest time , i’ve done so in Tpvp , roaming heck even raids and it works great.
The survivability on it is even better than it would be with 2/0/0/6/6 because you got shadow’s embrace in SA, combined that with pain response in Acro condi is never a problem .

You also get to evade as much as you would with the 2/0/0/6/6 , you do however lose a little bit of damage for not having the extra punch on low ini but with strength runes and the might stack you get from power of inertia you will hardly notice it.

Wvw D/p thieves run cavalier trinkets these days , so they get to be tanky and still hit like a truck thanx to hidden killer , its cheese at its best but your choice if you want to be part of that gang :-).