Guild Wars 2

bLind.6278:

Phil.8901:

It was like 5k+ for the final, not bad for GW2, in general was an enjoyable show.

But the real problem never was the pro league or this show, the problem is the pvp quality game every day for each player.

PvP is absolute kitten for 99% of the playerbase. People with high MMR winning without needing to try, people with low MMR losing regardless of what they do, not a decent match to be found anywhere in between.

If you’re not in a group queue, your experience is terrible, 100% of the time.

This is a festive occassion, no need to ruin it

Yep, and thanks everyone else for being warm up teams.

It was a great show :P

Hey guys!

Sorry for adding another thing to your list.

So earlier today my friend said that he randomly got disconnected from the game and couldn’t re-log, so I figured it was a client side issue. Well just a moment ago, I got the same issue. I have 34mb/s download and a 8.14 mb/s upload, so I don’t think this is a client side problem.

Anyways, sorry for the inconvenience, thanks!

If Anet reverts some of the things that they have implemented in the last year or so, then we might have a shot. Leaderboards were actually a legitimate way to gauge a person’s skill level (compared to leagues, anyways) and leagues are just a grind with no presitge.

But Its anet

So that won’t happen

Nerf all passive procs

Put an ICD on impacting disruption

And that’s it

Oh yeah, I think everyone does. That last patch (where wars got the adrenal health buff), everyone was freaking out like “Oh what got nerfed / buffed?” and the patch notes were unaccessible because everyone was trying to see. To me, it was more exciting than when HoT came out

Silverthorn.8576:

Balance is not so bad actually, the big problem is the static meta. 3 Seasons in a row with the same builds (except for the RiP bunker mesmer), same weapon etc make PvP boring.
The meta is static since Arenanet does not want to break the PvE balance because of PvP, and we all know balance in MMO is there to create unbalance and healthy movement in the meta.

Balance is fine right now (except for dragonhunter, but even that isn’t too far behind). I definitely agree with your analysis of the “static” meta, but the powercreep in the game has pushed build diversity out of the picture. I was watching the WTS in Beijing the other day, and I noticed that OE ran pistol / shield and Five G ran rifle. Shield got pushed out of the meta because it had a reflect on a 30s cd (hammer has that on 6s and does damage) and a single target stun on a 40s cd. If powercreep weren’t a thing, we would see more engis running shield.

Another thing I noticed watching the WTS is that they both used supply crate (120s cd) and the elementalists ran FGS, a 180 second cd. Now if a skill has a cd over 50-60s it probably won’t see any gameplay, which should never be the case. Most skills in the game need to see some play for the game to be healthy, but that can’t happen if Thunderclap (scrapper hammer 5) does the same thing supply crate did but on a 30s cd.

Rukia.9860:

All I want is less spammable boons & condis. It is pretty crazy right now. especially on top of all the passive.

Part of the power creep. I mean, part of the reason we never see shout guards anymore is because tempest can do that and heal for 2k with one button, and rev can do everything shout guards can (and more) just by standing there. None of this promotes skilled gameplay and is unhealthy in the long term.

Well i’m pretty sure that if they don’t do something about it next season then the pvp playerbase will completely disappear (because grinding to legendary 4 times will not keep players playing the game). Anet needs to keep in mind that people play for fun, and sure, balance is a part of that, but if a person who’s played 1000 games on a class is as good as a person who’s played 100 because the spec carries, then there is a problem.

Tomiyou.3790:

Why am I saying this? Because this meta is the most stable we have had since HoT release and I don’t think Anet has the balls to risk breaking it, even if this meant making the game more fun by reducing powercreep.

Good point. The problem with them getting to a balanced meta is that they only patch once every 3 months or so. They could easily get to a fair meta within a month or two if they abandoned this policy of actually doing something every 3 months and patched every 2 weeks or so.

Reduce powercreep => more fun => more people => shorter ques => mm working.

Gonna bet all my gold that won’t happen

Changing the trait system on June 23rd. It drastically lowered build diversity and creativity, which is part of the reason we see everyone running the same builds.

This is really good if you are stuck in “mmr hell” because it allows you to find buddies at your skill level and have the same issues. Getting to where you want > Not asking for help and staying where you are

Or just anything in general instead of memorizing every square inch of HoTM. Really, if people could duel while they wait, people would understand the mechanics and enjoy the game more. Especially those pve players who find it pointless to stand around for 10+ minutes when they could have made tons of gold in that time.

~To remedy the decreasing population, we need to have more things to do~

Otherwise it will continue to get smaller until there isn’t a population at all

At an Anet meeting that they have every 3 months:

M.O.: “Okay guys, what can we do to make pvp more fun for the players and promote this esport scene we spend so much money on?”

Random guy: “We can spend a bajillion dollars on advertising, that’ll make the game more fun.”

M.O.: “We already do that, anyone else?”

Another guy: “We could spend it on a balance team that does their job instead of spending it all on advertising”

M.O.: “You’re fired. Anyone have a better idea?”

Another guy: “We could make the players play the same builds for 9 months straight with little to no deviation”

M.O.: “Yeah, they won’t get bored of the game, that would be ridiculous. Okay lets do it!”

tl;dr

We are bored of seeing the same builds that were there since season one, and the monotony could be a reason why people are leaving.

I can give it a shot, I made it to legend in S2 on tempest (s1 I refused to play anything other than thief lol).

If you guys want more publicity y’all should post it on the pvp forum page or the pvp team reddit page ( https://www.reddit.com/r/GuildWars2PvPTeams/ )

*upon further inspection I did see you guys placed an ad on the pvp reddit lol

The title pretty much says it all. If you have any minis that you don’t want from gw1 I would be willing to pay a couple g (I need them for the Hall of Monuments lol)

As much as I would love to see more skillful play involving conditions, that would do zero to help with build diversity. So you get a catch 22, kind of. Reduce the condition output of classes, and you reduce build diversity, but you get more active play. Do nothing, and players continue to get condi bombed. Pretty sure there is a happy medium in there somewhere.

paShadoWn.5723:

But what exactly is bad about lower build diversity?
For example, all modern armies run the same AR-something build and nobody complains.

If somebody wanted to make a different build nobody forbade them yes?

But removal of cele had wrecked my hybrid mes so it actually lowered build diversity for me. Elementals are still crying to this day.

Modern armies don’t shoot each other for fun……

Also it gets boring after a while if you are all running the same build

Agreed, they had this back in the day (and I don’t know why they took it out) but they said they cant because when people changed maps they would have to step out of que then re-que after. Honestly, I would have zero problem with this, and that would help get all of those pve players more into pvp. I really hope they do, it is obvious that the player base wants this as a feature.

I get bored okay!?!?! Seeing the same build over and over again isn’t all that fun haha.

But anyways, I was referring to the division spread

Answers the question, is the game determined before it starts

What are you talking about? This is totally fine

Trevor Boyer.6524:

Yup, it’s a real problem.

Even with the small handful of people who are still active in-guild and from my contacts list, they rarely want to play together, due to how the pip system encourages segregation between differently skilled players.

I haven’t even played much lately to be honest.
Hell it’s been almost a week since I logged in.
All these compounded effects on the S3 community are getting to me as well.

@Anet, he isn’t kidding

Reikou.7068:

Salamander.2504:

If this were the real reason, people would only get stuck in “MMR Hell” at division barriers, which isn’t the case, is it?

They’d get stuck in “MMR Hell” 15 pips from division barriers is probably closer.

So….. pretty much every time except mid diamond lol

Not to burst a bubble, but your mmr decays over time if you don’t play any matches. That is probably why you went on a win streak as big as you did (it matched you up against easier opponents)

Yeah I am getting these too every once in a while, though it may just be my computer / internet. I have noticed an increase of occurrences though.

tl;dr

Nice to know it isn’t just me :P

*first off, this is a PvP issue

Can we make it to where d/p 3 doesn’t hit ads in PvP, or at least make it an option in the settings menu? I think you guys are really overestimating how much I want to kill those shambling horrors and gyros.

Jourdelune.7456:

(mod: please allow us to get a sticky, I can even rewrite a new post, so I stop bumping those each day)

Yeah this would be awesome, and help the pvp community get back in shape

The reason that he is saying that is because a rev has almost as many blocks / evades as scrapper does, and still does a ton of damage. The only thing a scrapper has on it is condi clear (which doesn’t matter if the engi is using the meta build). Play either class for a little bit and the difference should be a bit more clear

I agree that something is needed, but a nerf to health / having one dodge / no down state would be the wrong answer, because that would also harm core engi…

What would need to happen is to bring some of the defensive hammer skills down a bit. A reflect on a 6s cd, an evade on a 12, and a block on a 20. Note that all of these also do damage, so the damage can get a bit ridiculous.

I definitely agree on the gyro self-destruct function.

First off, no engi down state / single dodge won’t happen (it seems like a silly suggestion)

Second, I have been playing my engi recently and I have not lost a 1v1. I have an instant cast heal that refills when I hit 25% hp, an instant cast 50% damage reduction, instant cast remove 2 condis from everyone near me, and constant reflects / evade / block through hammer skills. If things get bad I have that auto elixir s proc at 25% hp and a sneak gyro if I need to get away. Needless to say, I haven’t lost a 1v1 because the class is that easy.

Going off of “the class carries” thing, whenever I duel a warrior I win 80% of the time. It might just be the warriors I was fighting, but when asked how to counter an engi on war, I can only guess, it seems like a flat counter.

Hey, on the plus side we can get involved in a separate game while we wait.

Maybe we can all play OverWatch while we wait for que, realize we are having fun, then never come back? If that is your objective Anet, you are doing an amazing job, keep up the work

Kudos for trying to learn the class.

Things I saw in the video:

1) You put WAY too much emphasis on stealthing. Like at start, you tried to blast stealth for the team. That isn’t really useful at all (since spawncamping at the start of the game isn’t possible) and it can really mess up another combo field, one that could blast swiftness for example. If you absolutely have to stealth up, use pistol 5 near a wall, then use heartseeker on the wall, so you don’t have to do a 180 and waste time getting back into position (this equals more stealth and less time wasted)

2) When you were heading back to cap your home node, you stealthed up right before you went around the corner. Instead, use the whole map, not just the obvious parts (You should have gone around the back way to scout things out instead of going through the front)

3) Do not team fight, unless you can quickly pick someone off with impact strike. You will die WAY too easily from the residual AoE.

4) If someone is about to take your point and you don’t want to fight, exit their line of sight, stealth up, and when they leave stroll back on to point. On temple for example, I love hiding beneath the bridges right before you get to the side points and instantly backcapping

5) Don’t waste a large amount of time trying to land a backstab. Unfortunately, the setup isn’t worth it unless you get a crit.

Some general things that may / may not have been in the video, just a few pointers

-Don’t use Roll for Init. Sure its a stun break that gives you initiative, but it is on a 60s cd (not worth it). Bandit’s defense is a 15 (or 12 if traited) stun break and a block for a second and a half, which is a whole lot better. Since you really over-emphasize stealth, you could use blinding powder as an alternative. That way you can pistol 5 then blast that for a few extra seconds of stealth, and also blast stealth on downed allies so you can res.

-Don’t steal at the beginning of the fight, it has way too much utility. It restores endurance, heals, interrupts, and poisons your enemy (to reduce the heal if they try to use it).

-When they get low on hp, watch their animations. They will eventually try to heal, and that needs to be interrupted.

-Do not use shortbow for damage. It should be only used for mobility, AoE poison, and (in the event you own the two other points) ledging on a team fight. Note that you can blast weakness from that, using shortbow 4 then 2 (don’t activate the chain ability for 2, otherwise the blast finish goes away)

-If they have a cap and they leave it unguarded, decapping / capping it should be your top focus.

Have fun with the class

The reason for Trickster is because of the absence of mug / slight extra condi removal. I don’t take bountiful theft because of the boon removal on s/d 3 and vigor through acro.

The reason I take withdraw is because of the immob clear, and I take bound over dash for the dps. I will give impacting disruption a shot, thanks for the pointers guys

I think this idea would be awesome, but it would have to be done after the 4th season, otherwise all of the pve players playing for the backpack would throw a fit

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Edit: If i see you saying ‘’this is the most stupid idea’’ (thief should not contest bases) without a reason , this will break my heart and soon yours :P

This is the most stupid idea. Make it to where you can’t contest through blocks / blur / even your dodges and we have a deal. If that isn’t good enough, come and break it.

It is pretty janky but it works really well imo. It has a bit more of a learning curve (since it is s/d), but it is pretty darn fun.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZAQNAsYVl0MhSnYhTw8Jw/ELXFl3GMCfQ3NNdBw8zf9dPA-TZBEABAcIAI4JAw0+DGcCAMvMAA

Blinding powder can be replaced with a utility of your choice, depending on your playstyle.

Note that it does not run DA (which is one of the “necessary” trait lines). Before you say “Nope not going to work”, give it a shot

Lol woops, I was trying to find the link to the skill editor site (I used it to show my necro build at one point, so I went here and forgot to change forums) pretty noobish error. My bad guys!

The build is very cheesy. I don’t think anyone with a conscience can deny that. However, there IS a break in the evades. It is hard to exploit because your cc needs to be perfect on timing. For example, a thief can easily shut down a d/d build. All you have to do is stun (basilisk) then use instant-cast cc (steal). They very easily melt after that. I really hate to say it, but it is a learn to play issue.

Note that I do not play d/d condi

I have to agree with Ubik. At around 7:15, there were 3 or 4 of you guys just sitting mid, and you had the far point capped, but unguarded. In addition they were off respawn. A rotation there would have secured you the game. Also are you using water attunement for damage….?

Honestly, I don’t mind the longer que time if the matches are good / close ones (which they have been for me, anyways). If we were to reduce the que times, I can only guess that the match quality would be alot worse.

One way to remedy long que times is to let us que outside of HoTM, but that is another conversation

When you post on reddit, make sure to also include your account name. It would be a big help in contacting you

BrotherBelial.3094:

the match making is 50/50, I’ve played 12 games won 6. and that’s a win one lose on merry go round. I’ve had 2 wins in a row. there is no progression. the pip system needs to be scrapped. A points system would be better, have a preseason to see where people end up then have divisions based on points. at the end of every season, the top how ever many of each division move up, and the bottom how ever many move down. sure they’ll need to rework the achievements for it, but that way if your good you’ll move up. if your not, you can have “fun” in your division.

Sounds like someone found where they belong. 50/50 means the system is working as it should.

Well personally, I didn’t even know about the tournaments, much less how to sign up for one. If I had known, I would have definitely been eager to participate. So I guess the real way to “Revive” it, would be to increase awareness that they actually exist

I want to sign up, it sounds really awesome. It says the website is down though

Might just be the time I am trying to get to it, or it might be client side.

Asrat.2645:

Scrapper hammer shall lead us into a new age of weapon design.

Honestly, I think gs 2 is a perfect example of how the game should be. It is highly telegraphed and should deal heavy damage.

The fact that it can have an instant recharge means it is spammable, which if you added an evade to it then that would be bad game design

How did I prove your point? The combat log clearly shows me being healed multiple times by astral wisp

Razor.9872:

Topher.5631:

StickerHappy.8052:

@OP

You seriously wanna nerf Healing from staff druid?

Do you even play the class?

4/5 Staff skills are healing. Let’s just delete staff then.

Just the auto and astral wisp. Auto spam isn’t meant to be rewarding, and astral wisp pulse heal is still quite strong. And yes, I have played the class.

Astral wisp is not a pulse heal.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Astral_Wisp

Me testing it

Topher.5631:

It is like not taking alchemy for scrapper, or beastmastery for druid. That isn’t really build diversity when you are locked in to most of your choices already.

“Neither as a ranger nor as a druid are you locked into Beastmastery. The syngergy between BM and NM is great for certain builds, but not mandatory to use the class.

You’ve probably played the class, but it’s quite obvious you haven’t done much else besides running the “meta” builds."

Let me rephrase that. You are not “locked in” to a trait line. However, the implication is that you will underperform compared to those that do. I don’t “have” to use deadly arts or alchemy, but if I go against someone that does, the difference should be notable (skill levels aside). So yes you are correct when you say they aren’t mandatory. Let me ask this, do you play to win or do you play to have fun? If the answer is win then the line is “highly recommended”. If you play to have fun, I can understand the position.

StickerHappy.8052:

@OP

You seriously wanna nerf Healing from staff druid?

Do you even play the class?

4/5 Staff skills are healing. Let’s just delete staff then.

Just the auto and astral wisp. Auto spam isn’t meant to be rewarding, and astral wisp pulse heal is still quite strong. And yes, I have played the class.