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Whatever the third heavy class will be it must stick with the rules, only casters can be magic based. Others can have magic but not to the same degree and some kind of techno mage would make more sense for the casters.

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just one quick note, ressing other players in an event should give credit.

Perhaps after they get everything working as in we will see things like this in the future. A-net is very community driven, they do listen to us, enough people backing an idea like this they will certainly take notice.

I can see no one is willing to answer my last question at least. What ever the case may be, everyone discussing this should know it is only an idea based off some intriguing finds within game, that this may or may not end up being true, but it is plausible. This discussion is not to ‘make people believe’ its more so to ask, what if and how? I am still waiting on someone who has done the infinity coil to give an answer about the 6 points and some lore buff to explain the creation of the world and the elder dragons. That could potentially clear up a lot of the fog here.

While the OP may claim its confirmed, the conversation in this thread has easily and quickly shifted. Is it the title and OP that makes you disagree with everything here? I just don’t understand why your so against the idea, it has merit.

Illushia.3721:

Right now all we have are “They want to kill the dragons” and “They showed up at mostly the same time” which isn’t really true.

Lets go over what relates them then. Any of these things could be coincidence but regardless there is enough there to at least make you think about it.
-The trees show up around the same time as the dragons. So the seed was around 200 years ago, but only 25 years ago did it grow fruit, just in time to get behind everyone else to do something about the dragons.

-The sylvari have a natural desire, born of the dream, to defeat the dragons. The nightmare court however provides a different view, just like every race has those who do not see eye to eye on the subject.

-The pale tree has a similar energy signature(or something to this effect) as the magic as the dragons.

-Dragon lieutenants or champions do not need to look like dragons.

-Dragon minions can not be affected by each others magic, undead can not become branded for example. The sylvari can not be altered this way either.

-Something very curious are the 6 points in the Infinity Coil(something you have not addressed and I would love to know what is mentioned of this in the dungeon), there you have a room for each known dragon, an unfinished blue room likely for an underwater dragon, and last a green room full of plant life similar to the sylvari, indicating at the very least a dragon of plant life exists.

-Now elder dragon motives are usually not involved in much thought, they are not stupid, but they are like a disaster, a devastating force, it just happens. They wish to consume everything, even each other. This point is one I would say can be both for and against the sylvari in regards to the theory here. On one hand they are looking to take out the other dragons, as will the dragons look to take out each other eventually too. I would argue as well that an acceptation could be made for a single dragon to not be such a devastating force. However it’s clear the Sylvari and pale tree do not act like your average dragon and minions in that regard.

-It has been proven that lieutenants can go against their masters and are more intelligent in how they think then the elder dragons often are. Glint did this, why could the pale tree be something similar?

edit: and something else over looked that you and in fact no one has answered yet. What is the creation story of Tyria and the universe in this game? What made the dragons? What purpose did the universe have for them? in a game like this very little is left to being ‘it just happened’.

secondary edit: I do not agree with the ideas put up and agreed upon by moonslightv.6704, HERO.2057. That is too far and simply not going to happen. You can play a Sylvari, your race will not be made out to be evil. The tree has to be something that opposes the dragons, even if its related to them.

Illushia- Perhaps not all my points were well worded or formed but I believe you got the jist of what I meant? I’m trying to discuss the idea not argue one side or the other, some of that is speculation based on observation, not fact given by A-net. ‘corruption’ for good, perhaps not the best wording.

Anyway, have you done the Infinity Coil? I have yet to do the dungeon but I am very curious as to why they have the ‘essence’ of each dragon at each point. Two of course being unclear, the blue and green, under construction and plant life. That however strongly hints at Sylvari, I mean what comes to mind immediately in this game when you mention plant life?

It’s also said there is more then one tree, and that they appear when the dragons do, as do all dragons awake around the same time. Force of Tyria or Dragon opposed to the others, it seems the over all purpose may possibly be this force of renewal or opposition to the dragons specifically. Now you mention that all we have ever been told is that they want to cleanse the world of everything but themselves, even kill each other, while we don’t know the motives of this hypothetical force of nature(elder dragon) is not that exactly what the sylvari are being born to do? the very essence of what they learn before exiting the dream is that the dragons need to be killed. Now if your a dragon that wants the other dragons gone and you tell everyone you create that dragons are bad, would you then make sure to look like a dragon? Would you show yourself? The elder dragons are meant to not care, like a volcano, but there are acceptations to everything from time to time. It’s all just speculation and theory crafting, interesting if true but not necessarily grounded in many facts, it could work, but it may never happen. Again I am more on the side of it being some force of Tyria then a dragon.

But honestly what is the origin of the elder dragons? What is the creation story of this world, this universe? I do not know. I assume the dragons did not have a han in creating anything, but then why are they here? What made them? There are gods, obviously, so which god or force decided such terribly destructive, world ending creations were needed? That might help answer some questions.

edit: I just saw you sig, awesome, one of the best games I have ever played and one of the best units in the game.

Dragon or not one thing is certain, The Sylvari are good because we can play them. So even going with the ED theory there are a variety of explanations as to why they might be good, a rogue lieutenant, corrupted for good, perhaps even an elder dragon that doesn’t want to destroy the world (there are an unknown number, whose to say they all have to be bad?). There is a lot of evidence however that connects them to the dragons. If the elder dragons are meant to represent natural forces in the world, a tsunami for example, you deal with it you can’t stop it and it does not think it just acts, then why can’t there be a force, like in nature, that is there to regrow from the destruction?

Actually it does kinda fit, there are a variety of similarities. I still believe its more of a natural defense to Tyria and the Nightmare Court is more of something gone wrong.

However the Infinity Coil… Now I have not done the dungeon but I noticved when getting the POI’s that every point was related to a dragon(forgive my spelling), Black Zhaitan, Red, Primordus, White Jormag, Violet Kahlkratorak, Blue (unfinished so who knows), and then there was green. Undoubtedly they were all related to the dragons, so which dragon was green and full of plant life? Honestly the only thing that fits is Sylvari, and even more specific, the plant life there was not the norm for the Nightmare Court, not thorns or anything. Again, haven’t done the dungeon, I hope it explains things like that, what the inquest is doing with these places of power they have.

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We currently have 18 members and several more waiting to purchase the game in the near future, we hope to expand our community as well as our guild.

I see that kinda going against what they want, you could kill something, sit there, switch, then get back in combat, but I guess you can do that already but in a more annoying way. Seems like a decent idea though I would imagine the cool down after exiting combat might be longer for them in that respect.

apparently WvW POI, Vistas, and Waypoints count… kinda annoying but do-able.

Dungeons seem brutal at first, it’s not saying much but when I first did AC I got steam rolled, we repaired so much and made maybe a few more silver as a reward. However the second time we went in we had better strategy and knew what to expect and did better. The difficulty is brutal but not unfair, you have to pay a lot of attention and yes you might die, but thats just how things go. It’s something you will have to get used to as other games might make things easier rather then harder. I can tell you some of my best gaming experiences have been with games where the difficulty was very challenging but fair and beating that level, boss, or even mob was a reward in it’ self. Demon’s Souls, Dark Souls and perhaps Monster Hunter are great examples. Only through learning from defeat do you get any better in those games and over time you really develop skill that you can be proud of rather then just cake walk through something because you are geared out better then it or someone else can take you through it.

If that is not something you can get behind then you are not gonna enjoy the game, plain and simple, but A-net should not change the way things are because of that.

The Occulus is first and foremost a gaming and role playing community. Our group is full of those who simply love to game and enjoy role playing from time to time. We began as a minecraft group and still host a server though Guild Wars 2 is easily becoming our new home. In addition to hosting a minecraft server we have a teamspeak service and a forum to communicate. The information to access these things will be given upon joining. Additionally we do look to offer a hand to other RP guilds as we would love to collaborate and join in large events other RP guilds are planning. As this game promotes community so too would we like to, so please feel free to contact us beyond simply joining.

To join you can send me a message here or in game or simply post, I will do my best to check in as often as I can as will other members. When you join The Occulus you will begin as an initiate and have limited access. To become a less restricted member we simply need to see you represent often and be active within our community, be it in game, on our forums, or joining us on our teamspeak. We accept all skill levels so don’t be afraid to sign up if you are new to the game or RPing.

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[The Occulus]
Little is known about the exact motives of The Occulus, a mysterious group that appears often out of no where when trouble is afoot. The group performs heroically in battle and will defend Tyria with their lives, but there always seems to be some secondary motives behind the scenes. What is known is that the group often secures information and artifacts of importance, though how much and what they are after is uncertain. This easily can cause conflict with other guilds and armies, but their duty on the field can often persuade people to let them slide and not bother pursuing further questions. That is not to say people don’t, though these same people may go missing or even come back singing a completely different tune.
Behind the scenes, known only to the Overseer and Sentinels, a dark secret lurks in the center of their order. Within a magically sealed vault of a room, separate from other important treasures and lore, The Occulus’s name sake sits. An Eye of Zhaitan, captured and kept from Zhaitan’s magic, but not his influence. The guild leaders are careful to keep information and any hint o location from the creature while probing it for information both on Zhaitan and the magic that created it. With it’s ‘help’ the guild has gained some foresight into the plans of the elder dragon and some knowledge of how the elder dragons magic works. Further study will help them prepare to fight the remaining dragons, but such dangerous acquisition of knowledge must be kept hidden, as do they hide much of their activities from the public and even lower tier members of the guild it’s self.

Shael.4703:

I think only the Group Events and Meta Events scales. But not scale down, rather scale up. Meaning, if the number of participating players reaches a certain number, the event scales accordingly and adds new dynamics to the event.

Yea every event has a base ‘level’ and no matter how few are participating it stays at that level and scales up at certain thresholds. However most events should be completable with at least one or two others, only major world events will require lots.

Right now though most people are 50ish and higher and doing those areas of the map, however I have found simply asking in the map chat and linking a close waypoint, people will come to help. Be active and ask for help, the community so far has been great in regards to this sort of thing.