Only because ANet refuse to support RP.
We have 1/10th the emotes we had in GW1.
No RP server (officially)RPers begged for a server since beta and when ANet outright ignored them they had to make their own.
Oh? How many RP servers did you have in Guild Wars 1?
I’m sure some of anet developers are sad as we all are. They wanted to make an epic mmo with esport but instead they are forced to create facebook games because metrics say so. Sadly.
Maybe they should start building a game for their players instead of stock holders.
Without stockholders there wouldn’t be a game at all.
Look at GW1, you can do both. And thank you sherlock.
Guild Wars 1 was made at a different time. A time with a lot less competition. All you need to do is look at the number of multiplayer fantasy games that were out when Guild Wars 1 came out that didn’t have a monthly subscription. There were none. Guild Wars 1 had no competition. There weren’t free MMOs everywhere you looked, with much more clout to get the name out there. No free Age of Conan, no free Lotro, no free Dungeons and Dragons Online, no free Superhero MMOs, no free Star Trek or Star Wars MMO.
I’m not sure why people don’t understand that Guild Wars 1 launched at a certain time and place, and frankly, it was far to intelligent a game to ever truly appeal to the masses. It doesn’t say much for the masses, mind you, but it’s what I believe.
It’s the WoW, EQ equation. EQ was probably the better game with the smaller audience. WoW made a lot of stuff accessible (read dumbed it down) and suddenly there were more players.
Guild Wars 1 was a great game. I won’t say otherwise.
But it was always going to be a niche game.
I’m sure some of anet developers are sad as we all are. They wanted to make an epic mmo with esport but instead they are forced to create facebook games because metrics say so. Sadly.
Maybe they should start building a game for their players instead of stock holders.
Without stockholders there wouldn’t be a game at all.
Well the last update, T’qatl, is permanent. The next update, the new dungeon path is permanent. And in each Living Story there has been permanent content. It’s definitely on the increase.
You guys need to stop, before you get this thread locked. This is GW2 forum, not one for you to argue about a different game. I really don’t want to see this thread closed, because the OP has some really good points.
I agree. The OP has some good points, and this thread shouldn’t be closed. I’ve already stopped.
Also consider this:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Some-ANET-interfered-with-our-GvG
I love it how you are able to pull out the most important arguments. On that point: when does the manifesto discussion start in this thread?
What’s a manifesto? lol
From Merriam Webster
Tem·po·rary adjective \?tem-p?-?rer-?\
: continuing for a limited amount of time : not permanent: intended to be used for a limited amount of time
per·ma·nent adjective \-n?nt\
: lasting or continuing for a very long time or forever : not temporary or changing
The way I see it, SAB doesn’t last for a very long time. It disappears. It may recur, yes – but it certainly doesn’t fit the category of “Permanent” as it’s not there all the time.
Might as well call it “recurring”.
Argue with Merriam Webster if you have concerns.
Merriam Webster doesn’t play Guild Wars 2. In a game that has TRUE temporary content, referring to recurring content as temporary is confusing and possibly misleading, that’s all I’m saying. Dictionaries have no context. That’s why you can’t always depend on them for perfect communication.
Can you define to me what temporary means to you?
Because I believe there is no “implying” what temporary means – it has no other meaning and can’t be taken on any other context.
I’ve explained this already in the post above. It really has nothing to do with the meaning of the word temporary. Nothing at all. It doesn’t matter what it means to me, it doesn’t matter what it means to you.
There is content in this game that is, for lack of a better word, permanently temporary. That means, it goes and it’s gone forever. There is content in this game that is recurring. It’s there and then it leaves and then comes back again.
Since we have two different kinds of “temporary” content, using one word to describe both is neither efficient nor the best way to communicate. If you know about the other temporary content and happen to come upon this thread, you might be given to believe that SAB will never return.
I’m not saying that SAB should or shouldn’t be permanent. I’m trying to say that with two different kinds of “temporary” content. we should use another word for the recurring kind…just to avoid giving the wrong impression to people who don’t know.
Edit: There have already been so many posts on temporary content, meaning non-recurring temporary content, that I can’t even really believe that this is still being discussed. I wasn’t rude to the OP, I just commented on his choice of words.
From Merriam Webster
Tem·po·rary adjective \?tem-p?-?rer-?\
: continuing for a limited amount of time : not permanent: intended to be used for a limited amount of time
per·ma·nent adjective \-n?nt\
: lasting or continuing for a very long time or forever : not temporary or changing
The way I see it, SAB doesn’t last for a very long time. It disappears. It may recur, yes – but it certainly doesn’t fit the category of “Permanent” as it’s not there all the time.
Might as well call it “recurring”.
Argue with Merriam Webster if you have concerns.
Merriam Webster doesn’t play Guild Wars 2. In a game that has TRUE temporary content, referring to recurring content as temporary is confusing and possibly misleading, that’s all I’m saying. Dictionaries have no context. That’s why you can’t always depend on them for perfect communication.
Yep, Lotro is a great game. Well it was before Turbine took it over. Can you still buy traits in the cash shop?
I think you mean Warner Brothers taking over, not Turbine. Turbine developed the game, Warner Brothers bought Turbine and shortly after that LOTRO went Free to Play.
Yep, that’s what I meant. Warner Brothers. Every since Warner Brothers bought turbine, that cash shop has gotten stupider and stupider.
Nice opinion piece…which is pretty much just that. A very long opinion piece, but you blow it at the end.
You say this could be avoided,. but you don’t really know that. It’s pure conjecture. I’m not sure you’d said anything here that hasn’t been said in countless threads.
Guys, don’t listen to what he says. He posts on any post that has criticisms on the way Anet handled their game (criticisms with a good foundation!) and he always defends Anet, not even looking at the arguments the criticizers give. Sad.
Hey guys, don’t listen to what he says, he doesn’t have a clue about me. If you’re going to ignore the negative posts I’ve made, you have no right to call me out for defending what I like about the game.
Oh look, he doesn’t agree with me, so therefore he’s a mindless fan boi.
Not even close.
Lol. But you ARE a mindless fanboi. All of your posts prove it. You disagree with ANYONE who criticizes this game in anyway (even when it’s good, constructive criticism that we need), and defend it to the death, all while trying to make everyone else seem wrong. If that’s not a fanboi, then I don’t know what the hell it is. You really need to stop sucking Anet’s kitten for once and open your eyes to the COUNTLESS flaws, bugs, glitches, and overall bad things that are present in this game. White knighting a game as hardcore as you do actually hurts it more than it helps it. Devs see people praising their terrible game and think “Oh, nothing’s wrong…we don’t need to improve or fix anything. Carry on!”
Seriously dude. Enough with the fanboi orgasms you have all over these forums. It’s extremely pathetic to watch.
Ummm, even if he does argue against all criticisms of the game, what exactly is wrong with that? What, you can’t like a game in this day and age?
I don’t usually argue about criticism. I argue about hyperbole and people stating things absolutely when they’re simply opinions. People don’t know how to critique anymore. They slander, offer no evidence and they think it’s fair.
It’s not fair. Not to fans of the game, not to the devs. To be sure, there are plenty of good people on these forums offering constructive criticism. And then there are the trolls. What can you do?
If everything becomes lore than nothing is.
How about bringing things in context, like:
A nice backstory of the deepsea dragon forcing the karka and kraits to leave their domiciles. Giving a real backstory to the karka event might have included it into lore.Otherwise it is just a random place, where something has happened without any real context or impact. It was just too encapsulated, a bubble of an event too small to offer any importance.
Lore is the bigger picture. Killing some random Mobs on an island where nothing happens is not.
Lore isn’t the bigger picture…you’re just calling it that. Lore is, at it’s most basic level, background information…no more no less.
Some of that appears in game and some of it doesn’t.
At least with your definition, we have an excuse for all writers at anet for their lousy story telling in GW2.
The writing is uneven to say the least. There are examples of some decent writing and some examples of some pretty mediocre writing. Sometimes the writing is fine but the voice acting lets it down too.
Numberz…on no wait…you speak out of your kitten rofl
Mika, I was angry at him too, but then I realized that he’s really arguing for the sake of arguing.
He has more than 7700 post and if you count the time he spent to post plus the time that he spent on reading the forum he invested (at least) 400-500 hours here, polishing his white armor.
Do as I do for each of his post ignore him and go on memecenter, you’ll laugh more than he makes you laugh, plus you will avoid the stress of understanding a mirrorclimber.
Again I understand you, but I totally stopped responding directly to him after this and I feel better:
It’s so funny how people who don’t like the game say I argue to argue, while completely talking to people who argue to argue.
Your bias is showing.
One of the most common complaints about the game is that the cosmetic progression is a bust and I can’t help but wholeheartedly agree with that assessment. The transmutation system needs to be sloped and replaced by a proper wardrobe system in which you unlock skins. My bank is filled with cosmetic items I’ll never get to use due to the sheer hassle of it all and I dare to wager that I’m not alone in that.
I agree. It’s no wonder their “cosmetic progression” failed, making them add vertical progression into the game. GW2 has one of the worst cosmetic systems I have seen in any of my recent mmos. Even F2P games like DCUO and Rift have wardrobe systems that are so much more user friendly.
Yup, LOTRO was first to implemet absolutely perfect cosmetic system couple a YEARS ago. Thats YEARS were talking about.
Thats the thing, ANEt delivered broken/not there horizontal progressin and then rushed gear grind treadmill to the game instead working on delivering what they advertised for 5 years with manifesto.
Now the game is a mish-mash of crap+BS
Yep, Lotro is a great game. Well it was before Turbine took it over. Can you still buy traits in the cash shop?
Ahahahhahahahaah, Turbine developed LOTRO.
Too bad you have 0 facts and relevance.
I have lots of facts, too bad you avoided the question. Can you still buy traits in the cash shop. It’s not a hard question. Surely you know the answer to it.
Yes, Lotro had a very nice cosmetics armor system, (I bought all the wardrobe tabs from the cash shop myself), and Lotro has a lovely way of making you pay three times for the same storage. Pay for your bank storage (which wasn’t account wide), account wide bank storage, and cosmetic item storage seperately.
And you think Anet has strange cash shop practices? Go ahead and refute me.
You dont HAVE to pay for anything of that, you can expand bank starge with gold and its quite cheap, and you GET 20 account storage and 20 wardrobe storage.
And ill actually bother with your strawman: yes you can buy traits, also you can sub for 1 month and unlock everything on all of your characters FOREVER.
LOTRO is truly F2P game, if you want to grind it you can play EVERYTHING AND GET EVERYTHING COMPLETELY FREE.
FAIL again, but what do you expect froma guy that didnt even know Turbine developed LOTRO rofl.
If you want to grind, you can get everything truly free, but I played the game and ended up spending money to avoid the grind. It’s not truly free.
Sure you’re playing with your friends and suddenly you get to an area which they’ve purchased and you haven’t. Oh sorry, guy, I thought you had this.
Well sure you can grind to get it,. it’ll only take a few days. In the mean time your friends are finished with the area and on the way forward.
In fact, I’ve seldom seen a greedier company than Turbine. Nice try.
Ahahahahahahahahahhaha
NO area is locked form you in LOTRO.
And noone cares what YOU did. Because thats what YOU did, FACT is you DONT have to pay anything.
Oh, i didnt mention that wardrobe lets you GET INFINITE COSMETIC VERSION OF ANY ITEM ON ANY OF YOUR CHARACTERS WITHOUT ANY RESTRICTIONS. Pure awesome. Not to mention character cosmetic tabs. YEARS ago. What do you get in GW2? Nothing. Nada.
Mention anything you want. My entire guild left Lotro en masse because of Turbines greed. That’s a lot of people. Not that you’d know anything about it, since you don’t play the game.
You don’t have to pay anything. LMAO!
Wow, your guild of 1 quit enamsse rofl
Turbines greed, rofl What would you call GW2 then when you need to pay $$ just to have 1 cosmetic item transmuted ONCE FOR 1 CHARACTER. ON A B2P GAME rofl
If you call Turbine greedy, ANet is over 9000 greedy. FACT
Turbine is greedy. Most people I know have acknowledged it. And yes, the Lotro population has dropped significantly. There was also a lousy pick up percent on their last expansion. I wonder why.
Numberz…on no wait…you speak out of your kitten rofl
You’re so anxious to talk this game down, that you’ll talk anything else up. It’s time you stopped. Not that this will stop you,. but your constant one liners laughing at people aren’t helping you get your points across. But that’s okay. I’m done with you. I won’t be responding to any more of your posts.
If everything becomes lore than nothing is.
How about bringing things in context, like:
A nice backstory of the deepsea dragon forcing the karka and kraits to leave their domiciles. Giving a real backstory to the karka event might have included it into lore.Otherwise it is just a random place, where something has happened without any real context or impact. It was just too encapsulated, a bubble of an event too small to offer any importance.
Lore is the bigger picture. Killing some random Mobs on an island where nothing happens is not.
Lore isn’t the bigger picture…you’re just calling it that. Lore is, at it’s most basic level, background information…no more no less.
Some of that appears in game and some of it doesn’t.
One of the most common complaints about the game is that the cosmetic progression is a bust and I can’t help but wholeheartedly agree with that assessment. The transmutation system needs to be sloped and replaced by a proper wardrobe system in which you unlock skins. My bank is filled with cosmetic items I’ll never get to use due to the sheer hassle of it all and I dare to wager that I’m not alone in that.
I agree. It’s no wonder their “cosmetic progression” failed, making them add vertical progression into the game. GW2 has one of the worst cosmetic systems I have seen in any of my recent mmos. Even F2P games like DCUO and Rift have wardrobe systems that are so much more user friendly.
Yup, LOTRO was first to implemet absolutely perfect cosmetic system couple a YEARS ago. Thats YEARS were talking about.
Thats the thing, ANEt delivered broken/not there horizontal progressin and then rushed gear grind treadmill to the game instead working on delivering what they advertised for 5 years with manifesto.
Now the game is a mish-mash of crap+BS
Yep, Lotro is a great game. Well it was before Turbine took it over. Can you still buy traits in the cash shop?
Ahahahhahahahaah, Turbine developed LOTRO.
Too bad you have 0 facts and relevance.
I have lots of facts, too bad you avoided the question. Can you still buy traits in the cash shop. It’s not a hard question. Surely you know the answer to it.
Yes, Lotro had a very nice cosmetics armor system, (I bought all the wardrobe tabs from the cash shop myself), and Lotro has a lovely way of making you pay three times for the same storage. Pay for your bank storage (which wasn’t account wide), account wide bank storage, and cosmetic item storage seperately.
And you think Anet has strange cash shop practices? Go ahead and refute me.
You dont HAVE to pay for anything of that, you can expand bank starge with gold and its quite cheap, and you GET 20 account storage and 20 wardrobe storage.
And ill actually bother with your strawman: yes you can buy traits, also you can sub for 1 month and unlock everything on all of your characters FOREVER.
LOTRO is truly F2P game, if you want to grind it you can play EVERYTHING AND GET EVERYTHING COMPLETELY FREE.
FAIL again, but what do you expect froma guy that didnt even know Turbine developed LOTRO rofl.
If you want to grind, you can get everything truly free, but I played the game and ended up spending money to avoid the grind. It’s not truly free.
Sure you’re playing with your friends and suddenly you get to an area which they’ve purchased and you haven’t. Oh sorry, guy, I thought you had this.
Well sure you can grind to get it,. it’ll only take a few days. In the mean time your friends are finished with the area and on the way forward.
In fact, I’ve seldom seen a greedier company than Turbine. Nice try.
Ahahahahahahahahahhaha
NO area is locked form you in LOTRO.
And noone cares what YOU did. Because thats what YOU did, FACT is you DONT have to pay anything.
Oh, i didnt mention that wardrobe lets you GET INFINITE COSMETIC VERSION OF ANY ITEM ON ANY OF YOUR CHARACTERS WITHOUT ANY RESTRICTIONS. Pure awesome. Not to mention character cosmetic tabs. YEARS ago. What do you get in GW2? Nothing. Nada.
Mention anything you want. My entire guild left Lotro en masse because of Turbines greed. That’s a lot of people. Not that you’d know anything about it, since you don’t play the game.
You don’t have to pay anything. LMAO!
Wow, your guild of 1 quit enamsse rofl
Turbines greed, rofl What would you call GW2 then when you need to pay $$ just to have 1 cosmetic item transmuted ONCE FOR 1 CHARACTER. ON A B2P GAME rofl
If you call Turbine greedy, ANet is over 9000 greedy. FACT
Turbine is greedy. Most people I know have acknowledged it. And yes, the Lotro population has dropped significantly. There was also a lousy pick up percent on their last expansion. I wonder why.
Yes I am sure given the opportunity we’d all buy a time machine in order to get filthy rich not realizing the result would be complete collapse of the world economy in a single instance.
Time machine? I didn’t say nothin’ ‘bout that. I’d say its more in-line with liking a particular part of a video game that I really enjoyed and being able to re-experience it any time I wish, which is what I consider to be a huge strength about video games.
Sure MA was actually playable content which we who were there played. Its now back story for players who join today no different then any back story in any mmo.Why dont feel bad for never playing through back story of MMOs why should this be any different?
Because those “backstories” you reference are text and lore that no one’s experienced. The LS is actual content and gameplay that’s been deleted from the game that new and returning players don’t get to experience. If I had a great time with a part of a game, I’d want someone else to have that great time as well, and I’d be more than willing to slightly disregard having a “living world” if it meant that someone else could have that same great time I had, and if they’re having a great time now then I’m sure they’d have a lovely time playing all (or most) of the stuff they missed.
Regarding MF and AR: Can’t say I’m looking forward to the fact that I’m gonna have to go through a lot of old content just to get to the new, but maybe I can find a group that keeps “rerolling” the fractal until we get to the goodies.
Lore isn’t necessarily something written in stone, or experienced. In fact, Lore doesn’t even have to be published. When you write a book or story, you often create a detailed back story and you don’t want to show all of it in the book. It would bore most people to tears. It’s there for the author to draw on to create the work.
There’s plenty of Guild Wars lore, I’m certain that’s not in the game at all, or not yet in the game.
Saying that someone can’t experience it now, so it’s not lore is probably not the best definition of lore.
While I understand your want to clarify, you’re attacking a completely valid way of using the word.
We need to stop though as we’re being ultra rude to the OP.
Read my first post and explain to me how I was attacking anyone. I’ll wait here.
It’s worth the purchase price as it’s b2p not a sub game.
I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody as the list of thing’s that I don’t like is growing longer and longer.
And they don’t seem to listen to us.
Yah, at this point there are much better AAA F2P games out there. ANet wanted to be like them and compete with them, and well, thats what they get. Unfortunately horse they have is not much in that race.
I’m sure there are better games for YOU to play, but you seem to spend a lot of time here, on the Guild Wars 2 forum. I’m not sure why you’re not off playing those games…oh,. maybe they don’t exist.
Actually I’m sure for certain play styles there are better games than Guild Wars 2. There just aren’t any better games for other play styles.
That’s why you need to make up your own mind OP.
Awwwwwww, but i DO play those and not GW2, i am here when i cant play.
And yes, they offer MUCH better experience than what GW2 offers, they do that MUCH better. Its what happens when you want to compete in area your game wasnt built to compete in.
They order a much better experience in YOUR opinion. And since you don’t like the direction the game is headed and have said so publicly your opinion is against the game.
I don’t think this game is trying to compete with Lotro at all, nor should it, Because I didn’t enjoy Lotro enough to keep playing it and I enjoy this much more. This is a much better game for me than Lotro…and I do mean much better.
Any free to play game that tells me I can’t play with my friends because I haven’t bought that content is just bogus.
Awwwwww, but youll get 5 times more content in LOTRO for 60$.
GW2 is NOT free.
When you move to compare F2P game like LOTRO with B2P game like GW2 you prove my point. EOD
You don’t get ALL the content for $60 in Lotro. To get all the content it costs you a whole lot more. You need to do your homework mate.
One of the most common complaints about the game is that the cosmetic progression is a bust and I can’t help but wholeheartedly agree with that assessment. The transmutation system needs to be sloped and replaced by a proper wardrobe system in which you unlock skins. My bank is filled with cosmetic items I’ll never get to use due to the sheer hassle of it all and I dare to wager that I’m not alone in that.
I agree. It’s no wonder their “cosmetic progression” failed, making them add vertical progression into the game. GW2 has one of the worst cosmetic systems I have seen in any of my recent mmos. Even F2P games like DCUO and Rift have wardrobe systems that are so much more user friendly.
Yup, LOTRO was first to implemet absolutely perfect cosmetic system couple a YEARS ago. Thats YEARS were talking about.
Thats the thing, ANEt delivered broken/not there horizontal progressin and then rushed gear grind treadmill to the game instead working on delivering what they advertised for 5 years with manifesto.
Now the game is a mish-mash of crap+BS
Yep, Lotro is a great game. Well it was before Turbine took it over. Can you still buy traits in the cash shop?
Ahahahhahahahaah, Turbine developed LOTRO.
Too bad you have 0 facts and relevance.
I have lots of facts, too bad you avoided the question. Can you still buy traits in the cash shop. It’s not a hard question. Surely you know the answer to it.
Yes, Lotro had a very nice cosmetics armor system, (I bought all the wardrobe tabs from the cash shop myself), and Lotro has a lovely way of making you pay three times for the same storage. Pay for your bank storage (which wasn’t account wide), account wide bank storage, and cosmetic item storage seperately.
And you think Anet has strange cash shop practices? Go ahead and refute me.
You dont HAVE to pay for anything of that, you can expand bank starge with gold and its quite cheap, and you GET 20 account storage and 20 wardrobe storage.
And ill actually bother with your strawman: yes you can buy traits, also you can sub for 1 month and unlock everything on all of your characters FOREVER.
LOTRO is truly F2P game, if you want to grind it you can play EVERYTHING AND GET EVERYTHING COMPLETELY FREE.
FAIL again, but what do you expect froma guy that didnt even know Turbine developed LOTRO rofl.
If you want to grind, you can get everything truly free, but I played the game and ended up spending money to avoid the grind. It’s not truly free.
Sure you’re playing with your friends and suddenly you get to an area which they’ve purchased and you haven’t. Oh sorry, guy, I thought you had this.
Well sure you can grind to get it,. it’ll only take a few days. In the mean time your friends are finished with the area and on the way forward.
In fact, I’ve seldom seen a greedier company than Turbine. Nice try.
Ahahahahahahahahahhaha
NO area is locked form you in LOTRO.
And noone cares what YOU did. Because thats what YOU did, FACT is you DONT have to pay anything.
Oh, i didnt mention that wardrobe lets you GET INFINITE COSMETIC VERSION OF ANY ITEM ON ANY OF YOUR CHARACTERS WITHOUT ANY RESTRICTIONS. Pure awesome. Not to mention character cosmetic tabs. YEARS ago. What do you get in GW2? Nothing. Nada.
Mention anything you want. My entire guild left Lotro en masse because of Turbines greed. That’s a lot of people. Not that you’d know anything about it, since you don’t play the game.
You don’t have to pay anything. LMAO!
Players like to play. At their own pace. MMOs offer content, you can explore at your own pace. Normally, Devs add stuff, so there is more content you can discover at your own pace.
One time events are rare and between in other MMO’s for a reason, they annoy people who can not participate.Making a whole game dependend on one time events (call it Living Story) destroys most players intent to play at their own pace, because it becomes mandatory to play at the pace of the dev cycle, if you want to experience the content.
The game changes from a hidden grind (most games are, some more hidden than others) to a count-down grind, which feel like pressure. People want to get away from the everyday pressure if playing. This produces a paradox, and people will stop enjoying the game.
End of story, they will avoid the stress that is the result of the new content.
Not really… every MMO other has a back story… I dont know if you played GW1 but I am going to use that as an example. Before the time when you start playing Gw1 there are a lot of stuff that happened. You had the 3 guild wars. You had humans invasion and conquering of Ascalon from the Charr etc… You start playing the game after these events and are unable to take part. How is that any different then joining Gw2 today and never getting the opportunity to take part in the motlen alliance invasion? it isnt, it just becomes back story to your experiance nothing else.
Its not a problem just like in gw1 it wasnt a problem that we never get to take part in the original invasion of ascalon.
This makes no sense. You are talking of a background story, of lore, which is essential to build a world that is believable. It is everywhere around you, as it is part of why you are in the mystical world.
Tell me, what part of, for example, the molten alliance invasion has become lore, an epic event that has shaped the world so drastically, that future content is build on it.
We have 2 npcs left from that, but surely, the game is not building up on these former events.The living story is mostly just trashing out fire and forget content, that has no influx on the bigger picture.
There’s in game lore, and then there’s the memory of an event, that becomes a personal sort of lore. I was there when the Karka invaded Southsun island. That lives on in my memory. I can talk about and share it.
Lore isn’t something you do, it’s something that was. The Karka invasion definitely was.
You bring up the example of the molten alliance, and say that’s not lore, but they’ve returned. It’s pretty clear to me that Scarlet got them together, probably so they could combine their technologies and she could steal the weapon.
I don’t know if you talked to the NPC, but there was a Durmond Priory NPC that had a theory that there was no way the charr and dredge would ever ally of their own accord. That was part of it. Now Scarlet appears. She was obviously using them.
They’re back in invasions, so that actually happened and there they are.
I was there at the karka event. And it was exactly that. An event which gave me some nice loot, especially the bag (as I got a random exotic).
It is forgotten by most, and has no real impact on anything. A one time event, not lore.
What makes it “not lore”. The karka queen’s stone body is still there. You personally weren’t impressed. It didn’t make an impression on you. I’ve seen people that loved it on the forums though.
It’s still lore. I’m not sure how you can justify saying it’s not.
It’s worth the purchase price as it’s b2p not a sub game.
I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody as the list of thing’s that I don’t like is growing longer and longer.
And they don’t seem to listen to us.
Yah, at this point there are much better AAA F2P games out there. ANet wanted to be like them and compete with them, and well, thats what they get. Unfortunately horse they have is not much in that race.
I’m sure there are better games for YOU to play, but you seem to spend a lot of time here, on the Guild Wars 2 forum. I’m not sure why you’re not off playing those games…oh,. maybe they don’t exist.
Actually I’m sure for certain play styles there are better games than Guild Wars 2. There just aren’t any better games for other play styles.
That’s why you need to make up your own mind OP.
Awwwwwww, but i DO play those and not GW2, i am here when i cant play.
And yes, they offer MUCH better experience than what GW2 offers, they do that MUCH better. Its what happens when you want to compete in area your game wasnt built to compete in.
They order a much better experience in YOUR opinion. And since you don’t like the direction the game is headed and have said so publicly your opinion is against the game.
I don’t think this game is trying to compete with Lotro at all, nor should it, Because I didn’t enjoy Lotro enough to keep playing it and I enjoy this much more. This is a much better game for me than Lotro…and I do mean much better.
Any free to play game that tells me I can’t play with my friends because I haven’t bought that content is just bogus.
While you may not have had any experience of another of it definitions that doesn’t make them not exist.
I’ve run into it so many times as the meaning you don’t agree with that I literally have difficulty seeing it any other way. Though I do recognize it has other definitions.
Here’s a couple of examples I run into on a regular basis. My friend doesn’t remember to pay his phone bill from time to time so I get this message “The phone number you are trying to reach xxx-xxx-xxxx is temporarily down or is no longer in service. Please check the number and try again”. On the internet i’ve run into web pages that say “Temporarily down for maintenance”.
Temporarily used as an adverb, to describe a verb. Slightly different than temporary used as an adjective to describe a noun. A temporary pass ends. But none of that address the bulk of my concern. In a game with actual temporary content, returning content shouldn’t be called temporary because it’s just confusing. In fact, I had no idea of the OP knew it was coming back or not.
Players like to play. At their own pace. MMOs offer content, you can explore at your own pace. Normally, Devs add stuff, so there is more content you can discover at your own pace.
One time events are rare and between in other MMO’s for a reason, they annoy people who can not participate.Making a whole game dependend on one time events (call it Living Story) destroys most players intent to play at their own pace, because it becomes mandatory to play at the pace of the dev cycle, if you want to experience the content.
The game changes from a hidden grind (most games are, some more hidden than others) to a count-down grind, which feel like pressure. People want to get away from the everyday pressure if playing. This produces a paradox, and people will stop enjoying the game.
End of story, they will avoid the stress that is the result of the new content.
Not really… every MMO other has a back story… I dont know if you played GW1 but I am going to use that as an example. Before the time when you start playing Gw1 there are a lot of stuff that happened. You had the 3 guild wars. You had humans invasion and conquering of Ascalon from the Charr etc… You start playing the game after these events and are unable to take part. How is that any different then joining Gw2 today and never getting the opportunity to take part in the motlen alliance invasion? it isnt, it just becomes back story to your experiance nothing else.
Its not a problem just like in gw1 it wasnt a problem that we never get to take part in the original invasion of ascalon.
This makes no sense. You are talking of a background story, of lore, which is essential to build a world that is believable. It is everywhere around you, as it is part of why you are in the mystical world.
Tell me, what part of, for example, the molten alliance invasion has become lore, an epic event that has shaped the world so drastically, that future content is build on it.
We have 2 npcs left from that, but surely, the game is not building up on these former events.The living story is mostly just trashing out fire and forget content, that has no influx on the bigger picture.
There’s in game lore, and then there’s the memory of an event, that becomes a personal sort of lore. I was there when the Karka invaded Southsun island. That lives on in my memory. I can talk about and share it.
Lore isn’t something you do, it’s something that was. The Karka invasion definitely was.
You bring up the example of the molten alliance, and say that’s not lore, but they’ve returned. It’s pretty clear to me that Scarlet got them together, probably so they could combine their technologies and she could steal the weapon.
I don’t know if you talked to the NPC, but there was a Durmond Priory NPC that had a theory that there was no way the charr and dredge would ever ally of their own accord. That was part of it. Now Scarlet appears. She was obviously using them.
They’re back in invasions, so that actually happened and there they are.
Vayne you’re losing your marbles here man. One of the Oxford definitions is “not permanent”, which fits this quite well.
I don’t like it when people don’t use the Oxford comma, but that doesn’t mean they’re wrong. It just means they don’t use the Oxford comma.
I’m talking about nuance nothing more. Again,. do you say Christmas is temporary?
How long is he going to stay here? It’s okay honey it’s just temporary.
You’re not usually implying it will be back. I’m well aware of dictionary definitions and I’m well aware of usage which tends to supercede it.
I had this argument about the word promise with someone else in these forums.. There’s a connotation there, particularly in a game that has non-recurring temporary content, that makes the statement ambiguous or misleading.
I’m not sure why this is so hard to understand.
There are two types of temporary content in this game. SAB is type 2 temporary content. Is that really how we want to communicate?
One of the most common complaints about the game is that the cosmetic progression is a bust and I can’t help but wholeheartedly agree with that assessment. The transmutation system needs to be sloped and replaced by a proper wardrobe system in which you unlock skins. My bank is filled with cosmetic items I’ll never get to use due to the sheer hassle of it all and I dare to wager that I’m not alone in that.
I agree. It’s no wonder their “cosmetic progression” failed, making them add vertical progression into the game. GW2 has one of the worst cosmetic systems I have seen in any of my recent mmos. Even F2P games like DCUO and Rift have wardrobe systems that are so much more user friendly.
Yup, LOTRO was first to implemet absolutely perfect cosmetic system couple a YEARS ago. Thats YEARS were talking about.
Thats the thing, ANEt delivered broken/not there horizontal progressin and then rushed gear grind treadmill to the game instead working on delivering what they advertised for 5 years with manifesto.
Now the game is a mish-mash of crap+BS
Yep, Lotro is a great game. Well it was before Turbine took it over. Can you still buy traits in the cash shop?
Ahahahhahahahaah, Turbine developed LOTRO.
Too bad you have 0 facts and relevance.
I have lots of facts, too bad you avoided the question. Can you still buy traits in the cash shop. It’s not a hard question. Surely you know the answer to it.
Yes, Lotro had a very nice cosmetics armor system, (I bought all the wardrobe tabs from the cash shop myself), and Lotro has a lovely way of making you pay three times for the same storage. Pay for your bank storage (which wasn’t account wide), account wide bank storage, and cosmetic item storage seperately.
And you think Anet has strange cash shop practices? Go ahead and refute me.
You dont HAVE to pay for anything of that, you can expand bank starge with gold and its quite cheap, and you GET 20 account storage and 20 wardrobe storage.
And ill actually bother with your strawman: yes you can buy traits, also you can sub for 1 month and unlock everything on all of your characters FOREVER.
LOTRO is truly F2P game, if you want to grind it you can play EVERYTHING AND GET EVERYTHING COMPLETELY FREE.
FAIL again, but what do you expect froma guy that didnt even know Turbine developed LOTRO rofl.
If you want to grind, you can get everything truly free, but I played the game and ended up spending money to avoid the grind. It’s not truly free.
Sure you’re playing with your friends and suddenly you get to an area which they’ve purchased and you haven’t. Oh sorry, guy, I thought you had this.
Well sure you can grind to get it,. it’ll only take a few days. In the mean time your friends are finished with the area and on the way forward.
In fact, I’ve seldom seen a greedier company than Turbine. Nice try.
SAB isn’t temporary…it’s just not there all the time. The Flame and Frost dungeon that was temporary. SAB comes back periodically.
Now that’s truly comical … kind of like saying it isn’t night, it just isn’t day all the time. The word “temporary” comes from the Latin word “temporarius”, meaning “of seasonal character.” “Temporary” means EXACTLY that “it’s just not there all the time.”
You work very hard to do what you do on these forums, I’ll grant you that.
Nope, I disagree. Because there is TRULY temporary content and using the same language to describe SAB leaves people with a feeling that it will never be back. Some of the content, like the Molten Alliance dungeon was truly temporary. Christmas is annual, not temporary. You’ve never heard someone in your entire life saying well it’s Christmas, temporarily. That’s a silly thing to say. It’s Christmas now and next year it will be Christmas again.
The whole point of language is to communicate. Calling something temporary that’s coming back, when there are truly temporary things out there, is just confusing and unnecessary.
Just as easy to ask why SAB doesn’t stay in the game.
Christmas is temporary….. this is some kind of joke right? Cute.
I asked if you hear people calling it temporary. It’s a different question. I’ve never heard, in all my years of life, someone call Christmas temporary. We tend to use temporary things for things that end. He’s only going to be here temporarily doesn’t usually mean he’ll be back next week. Nuance, sometimes, is everything.
You have a very twisted definition of “temporary”.
So you say. You have a twisted definition of definition.
It’s worth the purchase price as it’s b2p not a sub game.
I wouldn’t recommend it to anybody as the list of thing’s that I don’t like is growing longer and longer.
And they don’t seem to listen to us.
Yah, at this point there are much better AAA F2P games out there. ANet wanted to be like them and compete with them, and well, thats what they get. Unfortunately horse they have is not much in that race.
I’m sure there are better games for YOU to play, but you seem to spend a lot of time here, on the Guild Wars 2 forum. I’m not sure why you’re not off playing those games…oh,. maybe they don’t exist.
Actually I’m sure for certain play styles there are better games than Guild Wars 2. There just aren’t any better games for other play styles.
That’s why you need to make up your own mind OP.
SAB isn’t temporary…it’s just not there all the time. The Flame and Frost dungeon that was temporary. SAB comes back periodically.
Now that’s truly comical … kind of like saying it isn’t night, it just isn’t day all the time. The word “temporary” comes from the Latin word “temporarius”, meaning “of seasonal character.” “Temporary” means EXACTLY that “it’s just not there all the time.”
You work very hard to do what you do on these forums, I’ll grant you that.
Nope, I disagree. Because there is TRULY temporary content and using the same language to describe SAB leaves people with a feeling that it will never be back. Some of the content, like the Molten Alliance dungeon was truly temporary. Christmas is annual, not temporary. You’ve never heard someone in your entire life saying well it’s Christmas, temporarily. That’s a silly thing to say. It’s Christmas now and next year it will be Christmas again.
The whole point of language is to communicate. Calling something temporary that’s coming back, when there are truly temporary things out there, is just confusing and unnecessary.
Just as easy to ask why SAB doesn’t stay in the game.
Christmas is temporary….. this is some kind of joke right? Cute.
I asked if you hear people calling it temporary. It’s a different question. I’ve never heard, in all my years of life, someone call Christmas temporary. We tend to use temporary things for things that end. He’s only going to be here temporarily doesn’t usually mean he’ll be back next week. Nuance, sometimes, is everything.
One of the most common complaints about the game is that the cosmetic progression is a bust and I can’t help but wholeheartedly agree with that assessment. The transmutation system needs to be sloped and replaced by a proper wardrobe system in which you unlock skins. My bank is filled with cosmetic items I’ll never get to use due to the sheer hassle of it all and I dare to wager that I’m not alone in that.
I agree. It’s no wonder their “cosmetic progression” failed, making them add vertical progression into the game. GW2 has one of the worst cosmetic systems I have seen in any of my recent mmos. Even F2P games like DCUO and Rift have wardrobe systems that are so much more user friendly.
Yup, LOTRO was first to implemet absolutely perfect cosmetic system couple a YEARS ago. Thats YEARS were talking about.
Thats the thing, ANEt delivered broken/not there horizontal progressin and then rushed gear grind treadmill to the game instead working on delivering what they advertised for 5 years with manifesto.
Now the game is a mish-mash of crap+BS
Yep, Lotro is a great game. Well it was before Turbine took it over. Can you still buy traits in the cash shop?
Ahahahhahahahaah, Turbine developed LOTRO.
Too bad you have 0 facts and relevance.
I have lots of facts, too bad you avoided the question. Can you still buy traits in the cash shop. It’s not a hard question. Surely you know the answer to it.
Yes, Lotro had a very nice cosmetics armor system, (I bought all the wardrobe tabs from the cash shop myself), and Lotro has a lovely way of making you pay three times for the same storage. Pay for your bank storage (which wasn’t account wide), account wide bank storage, and cosmetic item storage seperately.
And you think Anet has strange cash shop practices? Go ahead and refute me.
You people don’t know the difference between annecdotal evidence and eye witness testimony.
Of course – that’s because they’re the same thing.
Witness testimony has zero value if not corroborated by evidence or cross-referenced against other examples of witness testimony. A word by itself is worth less than nothing.
Not necessarily true. Witnesses are heard and taken on face value, unless they’re a reason not to believe them.
For example, I couldn’t actually say I know someone who knows someone in court, because in court, that would be considered hearsay and inadmissible. I could very well say I saw something. It may be accepted or not accepted, but it’s not against the rules.
How in your mind are those the same thing?
Anecdotal and eye witness testimony is the same thing.
Anecdotal- I have only ever seen it rain when it is dark, therefor it only rains when it is dark. Anecdotal evidence is taken from personal experience and is generally not backed up by long term observation over an extended period of time. It’s the same thing as saying “The game must be dying/growing because my guild/LA/instance has seen a marked growth/decline/overflow/non overflow”.
Any anecdotal evidence must be taken with a grain of salt (or a shaker full). Just because you see something or hear something does not make it true.
Eye witness testimony is taken in the exact same manner. Five eye witnesses to a crime may see totally different things and corroboration is usually needed to make eye witness testimony worthwhile. “Two individuals said the suspect was heavyset and in their mid 40’s, while two others said the suspect was lean and very young”. Can these eyewitness accounts all be true? To the person giving the account they are true (assuming total honesty on the witnesses part), but in a courtroom or to someone who wasn’t there this evidence is worthless.
Anecdotal and eye witness accounts are the same thing.
And as far as it goes for Devs lying, I can easily bring up evidence to show them saying one thing and doing the exact opposite or just outright lying. Implementation of Ascended gear is probably the easiest example.
Yes, but you weren’t there for THIS conversation and I was. You can say anything you want. If this dev was going to lie to me, he’d have painted some things in a much different light. I keep saying it and people keep ignoring it.
I wonder why.
This guy wasn’t trying to paint a rosy red picture of the game or the company.
No clue about what the dev did or did not say. It just doesn’t matter what the dev did or did not say.
For what it’s worth, I believe you. But, again, it doesn’t matter to the overall scheme of the discussion if I do or do not. It still breaks down to anecdotal evidence. And the thing being discussed wasn’t hearsay and eye witness testimony. It was eye witness testimony and anecdotal evidence.
“Pics or it didn’t happen!” I always screencapped when I was talking to someone ‘official’ about something awesome, like when I spoke to Gayle Grey about her favorite Monty Python, or some of the funny GMs from WoW. All lost on a misplaced harddrive…
This forum would have a field day with the other stuff the dev said. No reason to give anyone ammunition. And no, I don’t go around screenshotting convos. I’d personally consider it rude without consent, unless someone was being abusive.
That’s fine, dandy, and commendable, but as such I can take what you’re saying at face value as much as I can for someone saying they spoke to a dev that said they’ll be putting in a subscription – meaning I can’t take it at face value, really. This isn’t to say I’d rather you took screenshots and posted them, mind you.
The funny part about this whole thing is that the devs have said the same thing. And I’m just saying I spoke to a dev who said it. Why would anyone doubt that a dev is saying what other devs are saying.
I was simply stating this because people were questioning the integrity of the devs and my contribution was that this guy wasn’t painting a rosy picture with anything else he said. What I said he said…that was already said by others and is a matter of public record.
Those people so intent on doubting me, are asking me to show text of a conversation I had with a dev, who happens to be saying something other devs have said publicly.
You people are something. lol
One of the most common complaints about the game is that the cosmetic progression is a bust and I can’t help but wholeheartedly agree with that assessment. The transmutation system needs to be sloped and replaced by a proper wardrobe system in which you unlock skins. My bank is filled with cosmetic items I’ll never get to use due to the sheer hassle of it all and I dare to wager that I’m not alone in that.
I agree. It’s no wonder their “cosmetic progression” failed, making them add vertical progression into the game. GW2 has one of the worst cosmetic systems I have seen in any of my recent mmos. Even F2P games like DCUO and Rift have wardrobe systems that are so much more user friendly.
Yup, LOTRO was first to implemet absolutely perfect cosmetic system couple a YEARS ago. Thats YEARS were talking about.
Thats the thing, ANEt delivered broken/not there horizontal progressin and then rushed gear grind treadmill to the game instead working on delivering what they advertised for 5 years with manifesto.
Now the game is a mish-mash of crap+BS
Yep, Lotro is a great game. Well it was before Turbine took it over. Can you still buy traits in the cash shop?
It’s not even the new people, it’s the people who’ve played since the beginning and maybe missed a Living Story event or two – or some crucial updates. A guide tailored to those players would be nice; ideas on where to farm, areas to avoid, etc would be helpful.
There’s a whole site full of those guides. it’s called dulfy.net
SAB isn’t temporary…it’s just not there all the time. The Flame and Frost dungeon that was temporary. SAB comes back periodically.
Now that’s truly comical … kind of like saying it isn’t night, it just isn’t day all the time. The word “temporary” comes from the Latin word “temporarius”, meaning “of seasonal character.” “Temporary” means EXACTLY that “it’s just not there all the time.”
You work very hard to do what you do on these forums, I’ll grant you that.
Nope, I disagree. Because there is TRULY temporary content and using the same language to describe SAB leaves people with a feeling that it will never be back. Some of the content, like the Molten Alliance dungeon was truly temporary. Christmas is annual, not temporary. You’ve never heard someone in your entire life saying well it’s Christmas, temporarily. That’s a silly thing to say. It’s Christmas now and next year it will be Christmas again.
The whole point of language is to communicate. Calling something temporary that’s coming back, when there are truly temporary things out there, is just confusing and unnecessary.
Just as easy to ask why SAB doesn’t stay in the game.
You know, just because you don’t like the content, does that mean you necessarily have to rain on someone else’s parade?
I don’t play PvP, but I’d never go into a PvP thread and try to insult someone’s achievement…even if I didn’t think it was much of an achievement I wouldn’t.
This is the kind of player that is toxic to the spirit of the Guild Wars franchise. Perhaps Final Fantasy 14 Online would be a better fit.
I came to this game so I could get away from achievements and grinding.
Right because there was nothing to grind for in Guild Wars 1. The lucky title track was practically given to you (it’s so much fun to spend an entire weekend standing on 9 rings), and the lightbringer title which gave you an in game advantage didn’t take any time at all….not to mention treasure hunter, luxon/kurzick.
Are you sure you played Guild Wars 1?
If you don’t like achievements, don’t grind them out. Simple if you ask me.
SAB isn’t temporary…it’s just not there all the time. The Flame and Frost dungeon that was temporary. SAB comes back periodically.
That means it’s temporary…..
Ummm no. Wrestling isn’t on every night, but that doesn’t mean it’s temporary. Baseball stops for 9 months a year, that doesn’t mean it’s temporary.
Temporary means something that is there for a while and it’s gone. Things that come in cycles aren’t usually considered temporary.
No one I know says spring is temporary. Because there’ll always be another spring.
Some people like achievement points. Because there’s new content every two weeks, there’s always something going on. In a couple of days, for example, there’s a new dungeon path for Twilight Arbor coming in.
My thing is, the story just isn’t that interesting to devote a lot of time to it. Isn’t the world being destroyed by dragons? Who the frak is scarlet? Why do I care? There are dragons flying around mucking things up!
I just want epic storyline, and honestly the latest story makes me go “meh” and go watch netflix. I wanna go out and slay dragons and big bad guys and be like “What’s work?” and play. And I have a secret dream of a living story devoted to Orr, but that’s me I know.
Disclaimer: this is all my opinion. I do log in from time to time, just not very long.
We killed one dragon, we don’t know quite where the others are. We’re still dealing with their minions. In the mean time, other stuff happens.
A member of the Lion’s Arch Captain’s Council was assassinated, Scarlet attempted to kidnap Queen Jennah (and would have succeeded), and now she’s sending out her minions to attack various places in the world.
I’m thinking that that’s a good enough reason for most people to care about Scarlet.
Oh, she’s not 80 feet tall and fire breathing…how dangerous can she be?
You people don’t know the difference between annecdotal evidence and eye witness testimony.
Of course – that’s because they’re the same thing.
Witness testimony has zero value if not corroborated by evidence or cross-referenced against other examples of witness testimony. A word by itself is worth less than nothing.
Not necessarily true. Witnesses are heard and taken on face value, unless they’re a reason not to believe them.
For example, I couldn’t actually say I know someone who knows someone in court, because in court, that would be considered hearsay and inadmissible. I could very well say I saw something. It may be accepted or not accepted, but it’s not against the rules.
How in your mind are those the same thing?
Anecdotal and eye witness testimony is the same thing.
Anecdotal- I have only ever seen it rain when it is dark, therefor it only rains when it is dark. Anecdotal evidence is taken from personal experience and is generally not backed up by long term observation over an extended period of time. It’s the same thing as saying “The game must be dying/growing because my guild/LA/instance has seen a marked growth/decline/overflow/non overflow”.
Any anecdotal evidence must be taken with a grain of salt (or a shaker full). Just because you see something or hear something does not make it true.
Eye witness testimony is taken in the exact same manner. Five eye witnesses to a crime may see totally different things and corroboration is usually needed to make eye witness testimony worthwhile. “Two individuals said the suspect was heavyset and in their mid 40’s, while two others said the suspect was lean and very young”. Can these eyewitness accounts all be true? To the person giving the account they are true (assuming total honesty on the witnesses part), but in a courtroom or to someone who wasn’t there this evidence is worthless.
Anecdotal and eye witness accounts are the same thing.
And as far as it goes for Devs lying, I can easily bring up evidence to show them saying one thing and doing the exact opposite or just outright lying. Implementation of Ascended gear is probably the easiest example.
Yes, but you weren’t there for THIS conversation and I was. You can say anything you want. If this dev was going to lie to me, he’d have painted some things in a much different light. I keep saying it and people keep ignoring it.
I wonder why.
This guy wasn’t trying to paint a rosy red picture of the game or the company.
No clue about what the dev did or did not say. It just doesn’t matter what the dev did or did not say.
For what it’s worth, I believe you. But, again, it doesn’t matter to the overall scheme of the discussion if I do or do not. It still breaks down to anecdotal evidence. And the thing being discussed wasn’t hearsay and eye witness testimony. It was eye witness testimony and anecdotal evidence.
“Pics or it didn’t happen!” I always screencapped when I was talking to someone ‘official’ about something awesome, like when I spoke to Gayle Grey about her favorite Monty Python, or some of the funny GMs from WoW. All lost on a misplaced harddrive…
This forum would have a field day with the other stuff the dev said. No reason to give anyone ammunition. And no, I don’t go around screenshotting convos. I’d personally consider it rude without consent, unless someone was being abusive.
All the temporary stuff is meant to milk the players for money, nothing else, Anet doesn’t care if it’s conveinent for us.
Hell they’re not gonna stop with temp content either, because they only listen to their metrics.
Milk the players for money. Another way of saying that is to get some sales. When someone tries to sell something in the real world, when JC Penny puts something on limited time special, I don’t see people screaming that they’re trying to milk they’re customers. They are, however, trying to get customers to spend money.
You make it sound like it’s a seedy thing to do, when businesses in the real world, even your local supermarket, will run limited time specials to make something more appealing.
Milking the players indeed.
All I get is an image of an old farm hand with an Anet t-shirt, pulling the udders of us unfortunate cows. lol
Yeah, that’s great. Look at how you churned out all of the achievements! GW2 is made for people like you! And in a couple of weeks you’ll get to churn out another 50! Wow, so fun!
Every time I try to do this on Borlis Pass, I get dumped into overflow with 20 people. Though honestly, I think I prefer that when considering the fact that I’d have to sit in Sparkfly Fen for an hour doing nothing if I really cared all that much.
You know, just because you don’t like the content, does that mean you necessarily have to rain on someone else’s parade?
I don’t play PvP, but I’d never go into a PvP thread and try to insult someone’s achievement…even if I didn’t think it was much of an achievement I wouldn’t.
Good stuff. Congratulations. I got my achievement last week as well. Tarnished Coast, however, is no longer beating him regularly.
You people don’t know the difference between annecdotal evidence and eye witness testimony.
Of course – that’s because they’re the same thing.
Witness testimony has zero value if not corroborated by evidence or cross-referenced against other examples of witness testimony. A word by itself is worth less than nothing.
Not necessarily true. Witnesses are heard and taken on face value, unless they’re a reason not to believe them.
For example, I couldn’t actually say I know someone who knows someone in court, because in court, that would be considered hearsay and inadmissible. I could very well say I saw something. It may be accepted or not accepted, but it’s not against the rules.
How in your mind are those the same thing?
Anecdotal and eye witness testimony is the same thing.
Anecdotal- I have only ever seen it rain when it is dark, therefor it only rains when it is dark. Anecdotal evidence is taken from personal experience and is generally not backed up by long term observation over an extended period of time. It’s the same thing as saying “The game must be dying/growing because my guild/LA/instance has seen a marked growth/decline/overflow/non overflow”.
Any anecdotal evidence must be taken with a grain of salt (or a shaker full). Just because you see something or hear something does not make it true.
Eye witness testimony is taken in the exact same manner. Five eye witnesses to a crime may see totally different things and corroboration is usually needed to make eye witness testimony worthwhile. “Two individuals said the suspect was heavyset and in their mid 40’s, while two others said the suspect was lean and very young”. Can these eyewitness accounts all be true? To the person giving the account they are true (assuming total honesty on the witnesses part), but in a courtroom or to someone who wasn’t there this evidence is worthless.
Anecdotal and eye witness accounts are the same thing.
And as far as it goes for Devs lying, I can easily bring up evidence to show them saying one thing and doing the exact opposite or just outright lying. Implementation of Ascended gear is probably the easiest example.
Yes, but you weren’t there for THIS conversation and I was. You can say anything you want. If this dev was going to lie to me, he’d have painted some things in a much different light. I keep saying it and people keep ignoring it.
I wonder why.
This guy wasn’t trying to paint a rosy red picture of the game or the company.
No clue about what the dev did or did not say. It just doesn’t matter what the dev did or did not say.
For what it’s worth, I believe you. But, again, it doesn’t matter to the overall scheme of the discussion if I do or do not. It still breaks down to anecdotal evidence.
That’s fine. Call it anything you like. I used the word hearsay I believe, not anecdotal, which is quite different.
Edit: Nope I just looked, I did use the word anecdotal, but I was talking about hearsay.
Come on, Vayne. You’d ought to have realized that your word isn’t worth more than that of anyone else.
No, my word isn’t worth more than anyone else and if you’re reading what I’m saying you’d know that.
Everyone’s word has equal value. That’s it. Either you trust a person or you don’t trust a person. It’s that simple. But saying that something happened to you is still substantially different than saying something happened to someone I know.
People can make up their minds whether to trust me or not. But if it happened to someone else, now you have to trust my trust, which is an entirely different thing.
Of course I expect people to disbelieve me, but I have friends on these forums and supporters who will believe me. Whether you personally do or not, I could care less.
SAB isn’t temporary…it’s just not there all the time. The Flame and Frost dungeon that was temporary. SAB comes back periodically.
Witnesses are heard and taken on face value, unless they’re a reason not to believe them.
That’s not how the world works, dude.
(Most legal systems don’t work that way either; Killcannon explains it quite nicely, actually.)
The bottom line is, it’s of no value whatsoever to other people what you say you heard someone say about the game, and we certainly have no reason to take it at face value. Not because you’re a liar, but just because we weren’t there.
Find a quote of what you’re talking about, that’s another story.
If you and killcanon can’t see the difference between I saw/heard something and I learned from someone else that they saw and heard it, I’m not sure there’s much point in continuing this conversation.
Each chain link something is removed from the direction source is another opportunity to corrupt.
That’s why you actually can’t say I heard someone else say in court (it will be objected to, on the grounds it’s hearsay), where as you can hear what I say in court whether you accept it or not.
Basically if I go in court and I testify that someone told me he saw something, it can be thrown out on the grounds of hearsay legally. If I go in and I saw something it can NOT be thrown out on the grounds of hearsay.
That doesn’t mean it will be automatically accepted. But it does mean that it’s different.
Hell even the word itself…hearsay. You hear something and say it. Not you see something and you say it.
You people don’t know the difference between annecdotal evidence and eye witness testimony.
Of course – that’s because they’re the same thing.
Witness testimony has zero value if not corroborated by evidence or cross-referenced against other examples of witness testimony. A word by itself is worth less than nothing.
Not necessarily true. Witnesses are heard and taken on face value, unless they’re a reason not to believe them.
For example, I couldn’t actually say I know someone who knows someone in court, because in court, that would be considered hearsay and inadmissible. I could very well say I saw something. It may be accepted or not accepted, but it’s not against the rules.
How in your mind are those the same thing?
Anecdotal and eye witness testimony is the same thing.
Anecdotal- I have only ever seen it rain when it is dark, therefor it only rains when it is dark. Anecdotal evidence is taken from personal experience and is generally not backed up by long term observation over an extended period of time. It’s the same thing as saying “The game must be dying/growing because my guild/LA/instance has seen a marked growth/decline/overflow/non overflow”.
Any anecdotal evidence must be taken with a grain of salt (or a shaker full). Just because you see something or hear something does not make it true.
Eye witness testimony is taken in the exact same manner. Five eye witnesses to a crime may see totally different things and corroboration is usually needed to make eye witness testimony worthwhile. “Two individuals said the suspect was heavyset and in their mid 40’s, while two others said the suspect was lean and very young”. Can these eyewitness accounts all be true? To the person giving the account they are true (assuming total honesty on the witnesses part), but in a courtroom or to someone who wasn’t there this evidence is worthless.
Anecdotal and eye witness accounts are the same thing.
And as far as it goes for Devs lying, I can easily bring up evidence to show them saying one thing and doing the exact opposite or just outright lying. Implementation of Ascended gear is probably the easiest example.
Yes, but you weren’t there for THIS conversation and I was. You can say anything you want. If this dev was going to lie to me, he’d have painted some things in a much different light. I keep saying it and people keep ignoring it.
I wonder why.
This guy wasn’t trying to paint a rosy red picture of the game or the company.
You people don’t know the difference between annecdotal evidence and eye witness testimony.
Of course – that’s because they’re the same thing.
Witness testimony has zero value if not corroborated by evidence or cross-referenced against other examples of witness testimony. A word by itself is worth less than nothing.
Not necessarily true. Witnesses are heard and taken on face value, unless they’re a reason not to believe them.
For example, I couldn’t actually say I know someone who knows someone in court, because in court, that would be considered hearsay and inadmissible. I could very well say I saw something. It may be accepted or not accepted, but it’s not against the rules.
How in your mind are those the same thing?
I don’t mind that you defend the game with all your might. But use logic.
Were the complaints valid? Yes.
Does that invalidate anything of what i said? No.I gave a much more diversed, and fun way to get gear. Where is your opinion on that? Those complaints were solved. And i did not say the best course of action is to remove ascended. So i don’t know why you are talking about old complains that were attended to…
Also no, i did not make the “entire game’s population all shares one set of values”. Do you see that in the title? imo -> In my opinion.
Vayne please…. we all know, if by some bizarre mistake of programming Anet opened a portal to another dimension and killer aliens come out of it to end mankind…
You would say: “But guys its innovative! No other company as done this. We should all be proud that we have new things to do, like run for our lives and scream in fear. I find it quite enjoyable! I know that GW1 didn’t have a inter-dimensional-portal with killer aliens, buts a its a new era! We gotta keep up with the times. So stop hating!”
You keep saying the complaints were valid. Which ones? The ones that agree with you or the ones that contradict you. You’re making it sound like the people who wrote stuff similar to you had valid complaints. I’m saying there were also complaints that had different even opposite opinions from some of theirs. I’m asking a simple question. Were those opposing complaints valid?
You have no idea what I’d say because it’s 100% clear to me you don’t get me at all. However, after refusing to answer my actual question more than once, I’m pretty sure that most people reading now get you.
Both are valid.
Please explain how they contradict with one another, in any way shape or form.
I’m sorry you’ll have to go back and read my posts if you don’t understand. My point has been made to people who do understand. Have a good one.
Of course it’s a sales pitch. When does a company that’s selling a product not make a sales pitch? Why would you expect the marketing department of a company not to make a sales pitch.
Companies pitch their products in an attempt to get people to buy them. Is that somehow wrong?
Vayne, why are you yelling at me about it? I’m the one who said it was a sales pitch. The guy I responded to was the one telling me it was a bit misleading for me to claim it was a sales pitch.
If you’re going to try to argue with me, at least try to pick a topic that we actually disagree about!
I just don’t know why it’s a problem if it is a sales pitch. That’s my thing. I don’t see why it matters at all.