Guild Wars 2

Pyriall.5027:

Siric.3589:

Pyriall.5027:

So EVERYONE is saying those things right? Not just “high” tiered players? I think that is safe to assume that anyone with a reasonable mind can have a say in the balance discussion, not just those looking to segregate the community into “tiered” levels.

And yes, if you’ve played the game it’s pretty evident.

Lets break this down:

Pyriall.5027:

I think that is safe to assume that anyone with a reasonable mind can have a say in the balance discussion

Do you think a bronze level LoL player would have been suggesting the shift from Resistance based defense to HP based defense between seasons 2 and 3?

Do you think a bronze level player would understand the cause and impact of the support items being shifted to junglers in S3?

Do you think a silver level Sc2 player understands why void rays have not been nerfed yet dominate him every game against a protoss?

The answer here for the large majority is no. Unless you follow a game thoroughly (watch ever LCS/WCS match ect.) there is no way a low “tier” player will comprehend enough about the highest levels of play because they have not experienced it.

Pyriall.5027:

not just those looking to segregate the community into “tiered” levels.

No one is looking to segregate anything. It just so happens that some players put more time into the game and are better at it. These are “top tier” players. There is no push to create some super elities top tier group, it just happens nauturally.

I haven’t played those games, but I’m sure that you can browse the forums of those servers and you’ll more than likely find players within those categories who did just fine identifying those same issues.

And just to be clear, “They should just make a forum for the top 2% of players that spvp in Gw2…..” Yes, someone was looking to segregate the players and that was the person I was speaking with.

There are opinions that will always be valued over others; because they have the experience, an on looker might have a very good understanding of the meta, but he lacks the experience to full comprehend what’s going on, that is the issue here.
That’s it period, I don’t know how you can argue about this for so long, when its a very obvious subject, to me this seems like you are just arguing for the sake of it, so please just take this to pm’s and stop derailing a topic yet again.

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

Pyriall

There is always going to be high tier play, it just means now there is less skill required to be a top team, because any team that is decently skilled, can use those builds and wreck a team that has a balanced comp, because aoe and damage is so out of hand that support and team work is out the window.

It’s exactly for that reason that I have a hard time understanding when people come in and are dismissive of others under the guise of “high tiered” play. If it is so easy to achieve this high level who are people to be so dismissive of others?

because others are not in the same position as people who had built up team work, and practice with their respective teams for a long period of time, to only be degraded into playing in this meta, its something you have to experience first hand to have a full comprehension of how stupid things are at the moment.

I don’t disagree that there are things way way over tuned. I disagree that people should be dismissed, because as others have put it don’t play in “high tiered” pvp. Especially given that it is nearly impossible to define high tier as of late. It’s similar to saying a person is only valid if they’re in the top 100 lb.

I don’t think people should be dismissed, but I also do believe there is a lot of false information being spread through out of the forums, and a lot of people do have opinions and they are to be valued, but sometimes its best to have a large scope of understanding before posting based on limited knowledge.

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

Pyriall

There is always going to be high tier play, it just means now there is less skill required to be a top team, because any team that is decently skilled, can use those builds and wreck a team that has a balanced comp, because aoe and damage is so out of hand that support and team work is out the window.

It’s exactly for that reason that I have a hard time understanding when people come in and are dismissive of others under the guise of “high tiered” play. If it is so easy to achieve this high level who are people to be so dismissive of others?

because others are not in the same position as people who had built up team work, and practice with their respective teams for a long period of time, to only be degraded into playing in this meta, its something you have to experience first hand to have a full comprehension of how stupid things are at the moment.

Pyriall

There is always going to be high tier play, it just means now there is less skill required to be a top team, because any team that is decently skilled, can use those builds and wreck a team that has a balanced comp, because aoe and damage is so out of hand that support and team work is out the window.

Romek.4201:

revert last patch and bring beta servers

If they could just do that for necro, but keep the #5 deathshroud and give them a ground targeted teleport on their #2 deathshroud. ofc all other buffs and nerfs were good.

This would’ve given necro’s what they needed, a disengage and an engage, which would give them a more interesting play stlye; but still keep them in line.

I know there are people out there with better suggestions then myself; but all I am asking is that Arena Net review this thread, and listen to their community and players when taking balancing decisions.

Nukk.3492:

Dirame.8521:

I think what Anet wants you to do is find a counter to the meta but apparently we are too busy whining to do that. You want someone in some high ranking team to do the same thing Super Squad did when they ran a Warrior with Battle Standard, or when Teldo went back to playing Flamethrower/Bomb kit. You’re not willing to counter the meta, only willing to complain about it.

Yes and No. You’re not wrong but its not right.

They did exactly the same in GW1, forcing the meta by overbuffing certain things (such as hexes) to move a stale meta into hex/condi etc. This seems fine in principal as a shifting meta makes competitive play more varied, however, what they always seemed to do and have done now is forget that some players don’t want to be carried by their comp or forced into playing a particular counter comp.

There are some players out there who don’t want to jump on the best chance of success bandwagon dictated by the meta and instead would prefer to beat such comps on their own merits by running a balanced comp and outplaying such teams. The problem is that they always forget to bolster the skills/traits etc. needed for balanced comps to be successful at doing this without relying on a massive skill gap. If you get a really good hard meta comp team vs an equally skilled balanced team when the game is in a forced meta change such as this then the balanced team can’t work hard enough to get the advantage back – and that’s always a problem.

I’m sure the OP knows that he could run a certain counter comp (2 stunlock warriors as per your suggestion) but where is the satisfaction in playing rock vs scissors? Some people want to win on their own merits and when they can’t then any incentive for playing just goes out of the window. That’s not right.

Quoted for truth.
+1

Lordrosicky.5813:

Xeph.4513:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Xeph.4513:

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The meta is different now. Get over it. Change is good. A changed meta is good.

Yeh some of the “top” players might be kitten because they all relied on the opness of mesmer/ele/guardian and now they are worse compared to necro they find out they aren’t really as good as they think they are.

Changes to the meta should be welcomed. If your personal class is worse then boo hoo. Necros had a class strictly worse than engi for 6 months +.

Should they nerf necro? Yes. Should we listen to everyone wanting the same old kitten with mesmer/ele/guardian being required in all teams? God no. Its lame.

I titled the thread “State of the meta”, sadly at the moment the meta revolves around “Necro, S/D Thief and Spirit Ranger / Engi” being must haves.

You would be very short sighted to assume that I am trying to post this for some sort of self benefit, I have always called for certain AoE’s to be nerfed and that no more AoE should be increased or brought into the game, because it was getting very obvious things would descend into this sort of madness.

Regardless since you believe that I am out to get Necro and Thief, here is a link to a post made by a team mate of mine regarding things we would like to see nerfed if s/d thief and necro are brought down.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Constructive-balance-lists-go-here/page/3#post2446289

you can clearly see that we ask for damage nerf on mesmer and elementalist, to avoid them being the dominant classes in the meta aswell; basically all we are asking is bring back actual skilled play and none of this aoe spam that is happening in the current meta.

Also please the topic on point.

Fair enough. Look in a pvp world where kittenbags outnumber good people 10:1, I must say TP = everything right with pvp. You guys are a credit to the game. However, I was just pointing out my views on balance. I agree they should be nerfed but I dont want a return to the same old BS of ele/mesmer/guardian. And EVERYONE is biassed. You must be too.

The thing is I would rather avoid being biassed and seeing this game succeed, because whatever we achieve in this game would be for naught if the game fails to meet expectations; and as a person playing this game at the moment, it feels to me like I would rather not be playing, since its not an enjoyable experience anymore.
I would rather be playing other games, the reason I stick around is for my team.

Regardless thank you for your understanding and kind words.

Erwin.5603:

Regardless of whether anyone likes/doesn’t like this meta/prevalent prof. , it’s just pathetic how some teams refuse/are unable to adapt to changes and feel like their losses are undeserved. Seemingly OP speccs are no excuse and adapting is part of being a top team/player, if you can’t you aren’t one.
P.S.: This comment is not directly related to TP/Xeph, rather a message to every team that does behave that way.

Teams are able to adapt to the meta, its not an issue at all; we can sit there and practice these classes and this meta over and over until we have it on lockdown.
The main issue being discussed here, does anyone really like playing the current meta, well the answer to that is a resounding “No”, and that is the problem we have with the current meta.
It takes everything that we loved about this game and has thrown it outside the window, there have been many meta shifts through out the game, and a lot of balance patches that have changed how the game is being played; we are just expressing how we believe this is the worst of them.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Xeph.4513:

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The meta is different now. Get over it. Change is good. A changed meta is good.

Yeh some of the “top” players might be kitten because they all relied on the opness of mesmer/ele/guardian and now they are worse compared to necro they find out they aren’t really as good as they think they are.

Changes to the meta should be welcomed. If your personal class is worse then boo hoo. Necros had a class strictly worse than engi for 6 months +.

Should they nerf necro? Yes. Should we listen to everyone wanting the same old kitten with mesmer/ele/guardian being required in all teams? God no. Its lame.

I titled the thread “State of the meta”, sadly at the moment the meta revolves around “Necro, S/D Thief and Spirit Ranger / Engi” being must haves.

You would be very short sighted to assume that I am trying to post this for some sort of self benefit, I have always called for certain AoE’s to be nerfed and that no more AoE should be increased or brought into the game, because it was getting very obvious things would descend into this sort of madness.

Regardless since you believe that I am out to get Necro and Thief, here is a link to a post made by a team mate of mine regarding things we would like to see nerfed if s/d thief and necro are brought down.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Constructive-balance-lists-go-here/page/3#post2446289

you can clearly see that we ask for damage nerf on mesmer and elementalist, to avoid them being the dominant classes in the meta aswell; basically all we are asking is bring back actual skilled play and none of this aoe spam that is happening in the current meta.

Also please the topic on point.

Jzaku.9765:

While I agree with the OP’s post I find it pretty funny he doesn’t mention Mesmer’s disgustingly skewed risk-reward ratio, AI damage, burst damage, high invulnerability uptime, low cooldown weaponskill pseudo-stunbreak, and (hotjoin only) many stunbreaks and stealth.

Like that is exactly the same issue he mentioned with thieves just being able to evade. Except Mesmers can evade and do the 1-shot wonder burst combo at the same time and not die.

Jzaku; while mesmer damage is high its probably one of, if not the most fragile class in the game, it is very weak to both condi and power damage.
Also in high level tournament play, mesmer is almost extinct, with almost no teams running mesmers anymore.
I am currently talking about the most pressing matters; and sadly mesmer isn’t one of them, if mesmers needed nerfing trust me, I would be the first person calling for it, but at the moment they are almost not viable.

KazAk.3269:

Don’t worry xeph, everyone feels that way after lossing so many times to Car Crash, just play better and deal with it.

Xeco|VoTF

I would rather you post something constructive, then trying to bring some petty argument onto this topic, I presume from your guild you are friends with people in CC or familiar with them; so please don’t come on this forum and make them look bad.

^
you would be very narrow minded to assume that; our complaints about those things have been on going for a few months now, and the reason I am discussing this now is because there is a huge up coming tournament, that could potentially shape the face of this game, so I am a lot more concerned about that.
It’s obvious to me that your not even talking objectively if you have come here with the assumption that this is for some petty loses to a team; I don’t think that we are gods gift to guildwars, we win and loose just like any other team, but when I see things that are broken then I point them out.
Also nerfing some classes will bring other potential builds out, but if you are too blind to see the classes ruling this meta and in a very negative manner then I would say ask any team and they will give you the same answers I have.

I am not here to try and give my team some edge over others; and regarding the matter of stealth, well we have an engi and we do use stealth openers, I just hate the fact that there is no counter play to it.

SteppenWolf.8136:

Soo, as I am not nearly playing as much as most guys that have anwsered, let me try to approach from a casters point of view.

When I started casting GuildWars 2 you actually could cast most of what is going on especially when you start noticing little moves by members of a team to prepare a burst. Today… well. We had two spirit rangers two necromancers and a guardian. Disregarding the amount of effects people were just staying back and throwing things at each other not even trying to really engage. (Guardians batteling on point)

This doesnt result in an all out battle but more like a shifting line of territory. This include that it is not rewarding to take risks!
A thief can jump in and out —> No Risk
Necros spam their marks from 1200 range--> No Risk
Warrior want to deal AOE damage —>Dead because they had to move in. This should be rewarding if done correctly

To fix that first of all the mistakes mentioned above need to be fixed. Not only by broken mechanics but by rewarding plays.

Max stealth duration could be 4 seconds —> If you can make something happen you played somewhat well
Reduce the area marks can hit + give them a “duration” --> People cant spam anymore because they need to focus someone(which would require skill) and you can move around them since they arent covering the whole point and disappearing after 10(?) seconds.

In general we should be careful about buffing anything right now. There is to much of everything and things should be tuned down.

Steppe

quoted for truth.
+1

Kebtiz.8370:

Necro has been my favorite pvp class since I first picked it up last year. Even when people were going on about how weak they were, I had no trouble on necro compared to ranger and elementalist at the time. I have entirely avoided builds focusing on any of the greatly updated effects since 25th and people still swear and call my build OP.

I am not claiming to play at expert level or anything, and I don’t disagree with most of what OP said, but guilt by association hurts a lot of builds on a lot of classes, and necro updates and stealth are far from the only problems.

yea, there is a lot more problems in the game currently, but I believe that those are probably some of the largest underlying problems.

Arheundel.6451:

Nikkle.4013:

Arheundel.6451:

Burning in a s/d burst battle build after 12 stacks of might would hit for 420 dmg for second..after 12 stacks of might mind you

Well if your only getting 12 stacks of might thats your problem. Even at 420 damage thats 1260 over 3 seconds. If the blind was changed to weakness I still don’t see why that’s bad. So now you have more damage mitigation. And if you bothered to read my posts, I don’t necessarily agree with phanta’s solution. I just hate when people like you post such terrible arguments that don’t address the point at all and then make snide remarks. But Phanta nailed it earlier.

Phantaram.1265:

I’d just ignore arheundal just based on my past experience. He just argues for the sake of it I think.

This is good advice, going to follow it from now on.

Burst ele = 13k HP
You need dmg and fast..or you die fast, not enough toughness or HP to wait for mediocre burning dmg to run its effect and hopefully put enough pressure on the enemy, for 12 stacks of might it means you have already gone through a full burst rotation and that 1260 burning dmg means nothing as in those 3s you can get killed .

Having a single blind every 20s+ is not OP at all..so why replace it with weakness?
Again..I use hard math, take the numbers and compare, then make my comments, the OP is suggesting to nerf dmg for an already squishy spec with not enough returns and for reasons that would benefit only a team as nobody run a double arcane ele outside organized matches.

And for the last time..the devs read the forums, I put down numbers for them to consider before any hasty decision is made, I don’t see how your consideration would benefit me in any way…so be my guest lol

Firstly if your dying quickly as a valks amulet ele, then your playing it wrong; they have tons of survivability. They are loads more survivable then all the other glass canon specs save s/d thieves.
The burning isn’t anywhere close to being a joke, burning is one of the best conditions in the game, and its basically apply and forget, its also not effected by toughness so its a lot more potential damage on tankier targets, its also insanely good on mesmers who have no condition removal. The burn also means that targets who are trying to los or evade damage are constantly under pressure because of the burns that have been applied to them.
if you think that burning is a joke, because you can’t survive long enough to see it come to fruition then that’s an l2p issue, and has nothing to do with the effectiveness or burning even without condition damage.

Also replacing the blind with the weakness is a buff and not a nerf, it would mean that ele would have less blinds but be less prone to being bursted down, as weakness cuts burst damage substantially.

I also would like to point out, that this has nothing to do with a team scenario, why would it only be a viable option for an ele playing with a team and not a solo que ele ?
because as far as im concerned arcane spells have never been a team utility and I doubt they ever will be, so please help me understand where this farfetched argument is coming from.

Rol.6938:

Xeph.4513:

Serendipity.1547:

Xeph.4513:

I am also a potential partcipant and the issue effected me directly, and my issue was resolved thus I have a lot more information about whats going on then you do, and I am not basing my information on nothing.

do you have privilege rights now and a exclusive regulation with anet? i’m just wondering why it’s now possible for you to be in the tournament

I resolved my issue through a personal basis, although I am very sure anet would talk with you guys if you have questions, so just voice yourselves here or try sending pm’s / emails to admins. That is the best way we can fix this problem.

can i know how you resolved? because im pretty sure i have same essential material to participate in tournament. please dont tell me to talk to admins. they dont care about me at all… i dont have any personal contacts like you.

-Epily

Epily, I understand your situation, but lets wait until Arenanet makes another announcement regarding the matter, and that way can gauge things better.

Serendipity.1547:

Xeph.4513:

I am also a potential partcipant and the issue effected me directly, and my issue was resolved thus I have a lot more information about whats going on then you do, and I am not basing my information on nothing.

do you have privilege rights now and a exclusive regulation with anet? i’m just wondering why it’s now possible for you to be in the tournament

I resolved my issue through a personal basis, although I am very sure anet would talk with you guys if you have questions, so just voice yourselves here or try sending pm’s / emails to admins. That is the best way we can fix this problem.

Erwin.5603:

now kiss, but btt: how is xeph able to play now, can we apply that rule restriction to anyone else who is falling under the outside EU thing?

It was a personal solution to the matter fixi, hopefully when arena net sheds more light on the matter; we can only hope for other people now.

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

Firstly that is an assumption you are making, and you are choosing to believe it, even though I have told you its not my intention, you refuse to believe that fact; in that regard I can’t do anything, if you so choose to believe that is my intention then you are entitled to do so, but its only an assumption you are making.

I called someone ignorant for telling people not to address Arena Net, because they are not the ones who are placing these restrictions which is 100% incorrect, there fore he is spreading false information, he obviously had no knowledge on the matter, but chose to post about it regardless. I called him ignorant and told him that if he has no knowledge on the matter it would be best not to post.

What you are doing here, is completely different, so please just stop posting here and go find another post to troll.

How is calling you ignorant for not having all of the information, which you later admit to, any different?

I’m glad for you, that you were able to reach A-net where others have not been able to.

my only recommendation for you is go back and read, I am really tired of quoting things for you.

I would also like to say if you want to continue this please pm me, instead of posting in this thread.

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

I personally will be leaving the competitive guildwars scene if worst comes to worst, and this won’t be because I hold any resentment to Arena Net, but in fear that this could happen again in the future and that I would be an obstacle for my team; because hey lets face it potentially the region restriction could remain for the next coming tournaments and I have no way of knowing if it will or won’t, so the safer option would be to assume that it would remain.

Quote on quote, what I typed regarding leaving, but yes sir it was a threat to Arenanet I expect they are currently scrambling to change the region restrictions in fears that I am leaving the guildwars 2 scene.

As I stated before I don’t think Arenanet care if I continue playing this game or not, the fact that you think the objective of my post was to threaten Arena net is purely ludacris, but then again daft people no ?

If you had such conviction you would have just left, there was no need to post that other then to try and leverage (as little children often do) your position. Threatening companies to quit…conceited people no?

And how are you able to get past the region restriction? Others would possibly benefit, why don’t you share that instead of your snotty comments to people?

As I said in the above post which you obviously failed to read or understand, but as I said before you seem to neglect actually reading posts before replying to them, so I am going to requote the above post to you yet again. I personally will be leaving the competitive guildwars scene if worst comes to worst.
I hope that, that clears a lot for you, I never said I was leaving, nor had I confirmed the fact that I will be, I just state that if things got dire, that I would leave in order to ensure my team never has any future troubles.
As I said previously it was never for to threaten Arenanet, and as you can read (hopefully) I never said that I will be leaving.

I got past them through personal matters, that I would rather not discuss on the forums, but if this will comfort people, Arena Net did say that they are going to provide additional information that will help clarify a large bulk of these problems, later on.

All you keep doing is reiterating the, “fix it or I’ll quit sentiment”. You can dress that up all you want.

I think it’s great that you have ways of accessing and getting answers from Anet that others don’t.

And to Shan, I never said people don’t have valid complaints. As a matter of fact they are all valid, my issue is with how this guy thinks he can crap on someone and believes it’s ok for him to do it, but others not to do it back to him.

Let me clarify your the one that keeps bringing it up, and when proven wrong then you just resort to saying that I am dressing it up; as I said it’s obvious that this is personal to you, but go ahead lol try and find some sort of self validation through making assumptions about my intentions.
I am very sure that the english in that post is very clear and I do mention that if restriction are going to be a persisting thing, then I would stop playing competitvely, as would a lot of other players as also mentioned by shan.

You are the one who made it his personal mission, and I don’t recall taking a crap on anyone, nor that op of the post feeling offended or expressing that I was out of line, but since you feel like being a vigilante, then go ahead.

You’re not proving anything wrong. The purpose of your post was to convince them to change what they are doing. That’s exactly what I said it was and that was the intention of it. You keep trying to dress it up as something entirely different, because you got called out on it.

You calling people ignorant and telling people not to post is what started me in on this. As if you were somehow better than other people. Yet you throw a tantrum when someone does it back to you.

Firstly that is an assumption you are making, and you are choosing to believe it, even though I have told you its not my intention, you refuse to believe that fact; in that regard I can’t do anything, if you so choose to believe that is my intention then you are entitled to do so, but its only an assumption you are making.

I called someone ignorant for telling people not to address Arena Net, because they are not the ones who are placing these restrictions which is 100% incorrect, there fore he is spreading false information, he obviously had no knowledge on the matter, but chose to post about it regardless. I called him ignorant and told him that if he has no knowledge on the matter it would be best not to post.

What you are doing here, is completely different, so please just stop posting here and go find another post to troll.

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

I personally will be leaving the competitive guildwars scene if worst comes to worst, and this won’t be because I hold any resentment to Arena Net, but in fear that this could happen again in the future and that I would be an obstacle for my team; because hey lets face it potentially the region restriction could remain for the next coming tournaments and I have no way of knowing if it will or won’t, so the safer option would be to assume that it would remain.

Quote on quote, what I typed regarding leaving, but yes sir it was a threat to Arenanet I expect they are currently scrambling to change the region restrictions in fears that I am leaving the guildwars 2 scene.

As I stated before I don’t think Arenanet care if I continue playing this game or not, the fact that you think the objective of my post was to threaten Arena net is purely ludacris, but then again daft people no ?

If you had such conviction you would have just left, there was no need to post that other then to try and leverage (as little children often do) your position. Threatening companies to quit…conceited people no?

And how are you able to get past the region restriction? Others would possibly benefit, why don’t you share that instead of your snotty comments to people?

As I said in the above post which you obviously failed to read or understand, but as I said before you seem to neglect actually reading posts before replying to them, so I am going to requote the above post to you yet again. I personally will be leaving the competitive guildwars scene if worst comes to worst.
I hope that, that clears a lot for you, I never said I was leaving, nor had I confirmed the fact that I will be, I just state that if things got dire, that I would leave in order to ensure my team never has any future troubles.
As I said previously it was never for to threaten Arenanet, and as you can read (hopefully) I never said that I will be leaving.

I got past them through personal matters, that I would rather not discuss on the forums, but if this will comfort people, Arena Net did say that they are going to provide additional information that will help clarify a large bulk of these problems, later on.

All you keep doing is reiterating the, “fix it or I’ll quit sentiment”. You can dress that up all you want.

I think it’s great that you have ways of accessing and getting answers from Anet that others don’t.

And to Shan, I never said people don’t have valid complaints. As a matter of fact they are all valid, my issue is with how this guy thinks he can crap on someone and believes it’s ok for him to do it, but others not to do it back to him.

Let me clarify your the one that keeps bringing it up, and when proven wrong then you just resort to saying that I am dressing it up; as I said it’s obvious that this is personal to you, but go ahead lol try and find some sort of self validation through making assumptions about my intentions.
I am very sure that the english in that post is very clear and I do mention that if restriction are going to be a persisting thing, then I would stop playing competitvely, as would a lot of other players as also mentioned by shan.

You are the one who made it his personal mission, and I don’t recall taking a crap on anyone, nor that op of the post feeling offended or expressing that I was out of line, but since you feel like being a vigilante, then go ahead.

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

I personally will be leaving the competitive guildwars scene if worst comes to worst, and this won’t be because I hold any resentment to Arena Net, but in fear that this could happen again in the future and that I would be an obstacle for my team; because hey lets face it potentially the region restriction could remain for the next coming tournaments and I have no way of knowing if it will or won’t, so the safer option would be to assume that it would remain.

Quote on quote, what I typed regarding leaving, but yes sir it was a threat to Arenanet I expect they are currently scrambling to change the region restrictions in fears that I am leaving the guildwars 2 scene.

As I stated before I don’t think Arenanet care if I continue playing this game or not, the fact that you think the objective of my post was to threaten Arena net is purely ludacris, but then again daft people no ?

If you had such conviction you would have just left, there was no need to post that other then to try and leverage (as little children often do) your position. Threatening companies to quit…conceited people no?

And how are you able to get past the region restriction? Others would possibly benefit, why don’t you share that instead of your snotty comments to people?

As I said in the above post which you obviously failed to read or understand, but as I said before you seem to neglect actually reading posts before replying to them, so I am going to requote the above post to you yet again. I personally will be leaving the competitive guildwars scene if worst comes to worst.
I hope that, that clears a lot for you, I never said I was leaving, nor had I confirmed the fact that I will be, I just state that if things got dire, that I would leave in order to ensure my team never has any future troubles.
As I said previously it was never for to threaten Arenanet, and as you can read (hopefully) I never said that I will be leaving.

I got past them through personal matters, that I would rather not discuss on the forums, but if this will comfort people, Arena Net did say that they are going to provide additional information that will help clarify a large bulk of these problems, later on.

I personally will be leaving the competitive guildwars scene if worst comes to worst, and this won’t be because I hold any resentment to Arena Net, but in fear that this could happen again in the future and that I would be an obstacle for my team; because hey lets face it potentially the region restriction could remain for the next coming tournaments and I have no way of knowing if it will or won’t, so the safer option would be to assume that it would remain.

Quote on quote, what I typed regarding leaving, but yes sir it was a threat to Arenanet I expect they are currently scrambling to change the region restrictions in fears that I am leaving the guildwars 2 scene.

As I stated before I don’t think Arenanet care if I continue playing this game or not, the fact that you think the objective of my post was to threaten Arena net is purely ludacris, but then again daft people no ?

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

Right it’s obvious your quiet daft, as I stated above when I did I at least replied with some knowledge behind my post instead of flat sarcasm as you did, if your going to go out of your way to be sarcastic, at least provide some knowledge behind why I am wrong, instead of making a non-sense post.
I am also a potential partcipant and the issue effected me directly, and my issue was resolved thus I have a lot information about whats going on then you do, and I am not basing my information on nothing.

You are obviously completely deluded if you think that I would attempt to threaten Arenanet by saying that I would quit playing, please go back and read my post, and if you want to make a personal assumption that I was threatening Anet then please go ahead, its flattering that you think that it even matters.

Facts? The facts are you don’t know everything, so you are just as ignorant.

Secondly, what was the purpose of telling them to fix it and volunteering you wouldn’t play competitively if they didn’t? I mean, were you trying to relay that information to your teammates?

You always try to play this high horse nonsense with people. You’re the one who started in on someone. And yes I did make a sarcastic post, because you’re attitude is infuriating.

Actually I think its more so that you have a bone to pick with me on a personal basis, because you are not objective what so ever, but then again there are a lot of people like you around these forums.

The reason I would leave playing competitively was because of issue like these region problems are going to occur and I might be a target of them again in the future then I would rather bow it now and not risk my team going through the same issues once again, this is an issue between myself and my team and has nothing to do with you.

The reply was to someone who obviously posted without any information on the matter, claiming that the event was not being organised by arena net but by pax or another sponsor, which is infact not the case, and that information is very well known; pax is the venue in which the event is going to be held and that is very general information that everyone has access to, but then again when people like yourself are not objective and just reply back on pure emotion, then the point is lost.

I don’t even think this is the first time you have infected one of my posts, but please feel free to chase me around these forums if it brings some sort of validation to yourself.

I don’t have a bone to pick with you personally, I don’t even know you…Him/her posting on the matter without all information different than you how?

Again, what was the point of saying you would quit competitively because it effects you? If it effects you and you feel that strongly about it, you just stop playing. There is no other purpose to post it on the forums other than as was previously described.

Chase you around the forums? I see…I see…you’re THAT guy. You think that you matter to other people because you play a game? I don’t even know you, I didn’t give you 1 second of thought before I read that post. So by all means, if being an kitten to people is how YOU wish to validate your non-existence, please continue.

I seem to matter to you now, you’ve gone through this whole effort, but then hypocrites right ?

I also mentioned that I would stop playing competitvely, to outline the implacations that these sort of barriers would have on competitive players, I am pretty sure other people in this thread have also expressed the same train of thought, as the devs have previously mentioned before, they do read the forums, and it would help if they understood how this was effecting the community (I thought that this would be more obvious), but yea this seems to matter to you a lot, which I fail to understand as why, because as you previously mentioned I am insignifcant, so why are you so keen on bringing this point up.

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

Right it’s obvious your quiet daft, as I stated above when I did I at least replied with some knowledge behind my post instead of flat sarcasm as you did, if your going to go out of your way to be sarcastic, at least provide some knowledge behind why I am wrong, instead of making a non-sense post.
I am also a potential partcipant and the issue effected me directly, and my issue was resolved thus I have a lot information about whats going on then you do, and I am not basing my information on nothing.

You are obviously completely deluded if you think that I would attempt to threaten Arenanet by saying that I would quit playing, please go back and read my post, and if you want to make a personal assumption that I was threatening Anet then please go ahead, its flattering that you think that it even matters.

Facts? The facts are you don’t know everything, so you are just as ignorant.

Secondly, what was the purpose of telling them to fix it and volunteering you wouldn’t play competitively if they didn’t? I mean, were you trying to relay that information to your teammates?

You always try to play this high horse nonsense with people. You’re the one who started in on someone. And yes I did make a sarcastic post, because you’re attitude is infuriating.

Actually I think its more so that you have a bone to pick with me on a personal basis, because you are not objective what so ever, but then again there are a lot of people like you around these forums.

The reason I would leave playing competitively was because of issue like these region problems are going to occur and I might be a target of them again in the future then I would rather bow out now and not risk my team going through the same issues once again, this is an issue between myself and my team and has nothing to do with you.

The reply was to someone who obviously posted without any information on the matter, claiming that the event was not being organised by arena net but by pax or another sponsor, which is infact not the case, and that information is very well known; pax is the venue in which the event is going to be held and that is very general information that everyone has access to, but then again when people like yourself are not objective and just reply back on pure emotion, then the point is lost.

I don’t even think this is the first time you have infected one of my posts, but please feel free to chase me around these forums if it brings some sort of validation to yourself.

Right it’s obvious your quiet daft, as I stated above when I did I at least replied with some knowledge behind my post instead of flat sarcasm as you did, if your going to go out of your way to be sarcastic, at least provide some knowledge behind why I am wrong, instead of making a non-sense post.
I am also a potential partcipant and the issue effected me directly, and my issue was resolved thus I have a lot more information about whats going on then you do, and I am not basing my information on nothing.

You are obviously completely deluded if you think that I would attempt to threaten Arenanet by saying that I would quit playing, please go back and read my post, and if you want to make a personal assumption that I was threatening Anet then please go ahead, its flattering that you think that it even matters.

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

This however can be cleared up by a legal team and is not by any margin difficult to execute.
(so sir please don’t speak in ignorance, if you don’t understand much about the matter its best not to say anything at all. Thank you.)

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Xeph.4513:

Its I however don’t know everything behind the scene’s …

You can have many preferences, but I don’t personally care; especially after you just got done chastising someone else for doing the same thing.

In reference to the budget, and not the legal issues, which is the topic of discussion.

but then again you personally don’t care, so I can’t expect you to think before posting, right ?

I personally don’t care of your preferences. I guess it’s to much to ask for you to read. You’re such a hypocrite. You chastise someone for speaking on matters they are not fully informed and yet there you are, playing amateur attorney. Not to mention, you’ve always been one of the first to say, “give them time to fix it” yet when it effects you; you’re front and center with the pitchfork.

I suppose there is always someone who has to make the forums unpleasent, I chastised someone because they stated 3-4 incorrect facts based on no information.
All I did was explain that the problem has a solution.

I am also not effected by this issue, I thought I was but all that was clarified, I am doing this because it is unfair that these people who has spent so much time playing this game and trying to be competitive at it, are shut out and not even being given a chance, to play, when they have worked so hard for it.
It is also unfair for the teams that have to leave behind team mates because they are not able to attend, it is very unfair that these sort of sanctions are impossed on these teams and players, right before the event they have been working so hard for.

So you admit to chastising someone yet you say I’m the one making things unpleasant…

Now that you have clarified that this no longer effects you, I’ll safely assume you will bow out of this “fix it or I quit” mentality.

I replyed to someone who completely spoke out of ignorance, and asked him not to come and make incorrect assumptions and also provided knowledge behind why he is incorrect.
You on the other hand just put in a sarcastic comment that was completely pointless and brought nothing to the argument, so please don’t pair me and you in the same boat.

My issue was cleared up yesterday; I don’t care about the fact that I am fine to go, there are a lot of people that I consider friends who have worked very hard to try and get to the point where they can attend a lan event, so I will continue to try and support the idea that the event can’t have these sort of restrictions.

Regarding the “fix it or I quit” is obviously a very inaccurate and shallow way of putting it, but through out our conversation on this forum its quiet apparent that it follows your posting format (as little thought put behind it as possible).
I will not continue to play, if I become a hinderance to my team or any other team trying to play the game at high a level, because I will not be able to attend live events, therefore I would rather not play at all.
Sure you can make it like I made some sort of a childish threat, like Arenanet cares if I leave the game or not.

I would just recommend that you drop this argument and move on, because its a waste of my time as much as it is yours.

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

This however can be cleared up by a legal team and is not by any margin difficult to execute.
(so sir please don’t speak in ignorance, if you don’t understand much about the matter its best not to say anything at all. Thank you.)

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Xeph.4513:

Its I however don’t know everything behind the scene’s …

You can have many preferences, but I don’t personally care; especially after you just got done chastising someone else for doing the same thing.

In reference to the budget, and not the legal issues, which is the topic of discussion.

but then again you personally don’t care, so I can’t expect you to think before posting, right ?

I personally don’t care of your preferences. I guess it’s to much to ask for you to read. You’re such a hypocrite. You chastise someone for speaking on matters they are not fully informed and yet there you are, playing amateur attorney. Not to mention, you’ve always been one of the first to say, “give them time to fix it” yet when it effects you; you’re front and center with the pitchfork.

I suppose there is always someone who has to make the forums unpleasent, I chastised someone because they stated 3-4 incorrect facts based on no information.
All I did was explain that the problem has a solution.

I am also not effected by this issue, I thought I was but all that was clarified, I am doing this because it is unfair that these people who has spent so much time playing this game and trying to be competitive at it, are shut out and not even being given a chance, to play, when they have worked so hard for it.
It is also unfair for the teams that have to leave behind team mates because they are not able to attend, it is very unfair that these sort of sanctions are impossed on these teams and players, right before the event they have been working so hard for.

Lordrosicky.5813:

Xeph.4513:

@ Lordrosicky
The issue is that Arena Net could allocate sources to fix this problem and instead of having a live lan event they could opt for a online event (which would still please the majority of the player base).
Once everything is sorted and they can accomdate the majority of the playerbase then they should do a live event; but to choose to do a live event and rip teams apart because all the legal issues have not checked out, is a big error, espically when such a large portion of the population isn’t from eu / na and the below 18’s.
If you take a look at other live events these restrictions are much more lenient as to accomdate as much of the playerbase as possible.

@Uberkingkong
I am sorry to say but your ignorance is baffling, the restrictions are set by Arenanet as they are the hosts of the tournament, the age restriction is also impossed by Arenanets legal team, because a lot of complications do arise from having minors at any event, and a lot of times minors can’t be held liable to their actions, and will need to be provided with adult supervision. Also they can’t accept the prize money directly meaning that they will need to provide more legal documentation to be able to give the cash prize to their legal guardian. (Incase you want to ask why they don’t just nominate someone from the team to accept the prize money, well its just not possible too many issues can stem from that.)

Regarding the countries issue, I live in dubai and have been to live lan events in America, Paris and Madrid; and I can assure you its not the country that is barring me from attending the live event, but the fact that it takes legal research and more legal documentation to allow me to accept the prize money, this is also coupled with entrance to the country among a few other factors.
This however can be cleared up by a legal team and is not by any margin difficult to execute.
(so sir please don’t speak in ignorance, if you don’t understand much about the matter its best not to say anything at all. Thank you.)

In this case Arena Net is just taking the easier option of putting up these restrictions, that I think could overall harm the event, a lot of teams and indivduals who have dedicated a lot of their time in this game are being effected and in a very negative manner, all we are hoping for is that Arena Net re-evaluates the matter and hopefully we can come to a better conclusion.

I understand how the restrictions effect you.

But this live tourny will attract attention and help the game to grow. Who knows, 3 months down the line you might be playing for bigger prizes online as a result of the impetus this tourny gives gw2 pvp. So in the long run it is good for everyone.

You arent being excluded from an existing tournament. This is a new tournament with some restrictions. Like free money for half the people in the world is still better than free money for nobody.

Yes I do agree with you, and this can potentially be good for the game, but if this doesn’t work out then this will be an even larger blow to Arena Net who already alienated half its playerbase with the heavy restrictions.
If you are going to do something at least do it right.
They could just as easily use these resources to promote and market a large online tournament and then move on to live events afterwards which would be a better approach while retaining their playerbase.

I just don’t agree with these heavy restrictions.
I personally however are not effected by these restrictions, and will be attending the tournament.
I am just worried for the rest of the playerbase that has invested so much time and effort and are not even getting a chance to do what it is they have worked so hard for.

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

This however can be cleared up by a legal team and is not by any margin difficult to execute.
(so sir please don’t speak in ignorance, if you don’t understand much about the matter its best not to say anything at all. Thank you.)

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Xeph.4513:

Its I however don’t know everything behind the scene’s …

You can have many preferences, but I don’t personally care; especially after you just got done chastising someone else for doing the same thing.

In reference to the budget, and not the legal issues, which is the topic of discussion.

but then again you personally don’t care, so I can’t expect you to think before posting, right ?

Pyriall.5027:

Xeph.4513:

This however can be cleared up by a legal team and is not by any margin difficult to execute.
(so sir please don’t speak in ignorance, if you don’t understand much about the matter its best not to say anything at all. Thank you.)

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I didn’t know you were a lawyer as well. You should offer your legal resources to them, would probably speed this along. This way everyone can participate. Glad we have a vast player base to help this along. Here you are A-net, we have one volunteer lawyer to help you along…

Rather you keep you sarcastic posts to yourself, instead of posting nonsense where its not appreciated nor adds anything to discussion.

They are not trying to bypass any legal barriers here, all they are doing is drawing up legal documentation that will only be used during the sign up process and when money is being given. Regardless other LAN events have had to deal with the same process, so everything legal is already there drawn up and outlined for use, this isn’t a legal barrier that needs to be overcome. There are also a lot of other factors here that would take too long to list.

Its funny that you are saying this, because I did graduate with a corporate law degree, and I am familiar with the process, I however don’t know everything behind the scene’s and the budget that Arena Net is on; but all I am saying to allocate the resources to a lan event and have an online one for now, instead of alienating a large portion of the player base, in favour of having a very rushed LAN event.
Its is crucial that this LAN event is successful, espically for the pvp community, but to do in this fashion will not be earning Arena Net any points with the player base.

@ Lordrosicky
The issue is that Arena Net could allocate sources to fix this problem and instead of having a live lan event they could opt for a online event (which would still please the majority of the player base).
Once everything is sorted and they can accomdate the majority of the playerbase then they should do a live event; but to choose to do a live event and rip teams apart because all the legal issues have not checked out, is a big error, espically when such a large portion of the population isn’t from eu / na and the below 18’s.
If you take a look at other live events these restrictions are much more lenient as to accomdate as much of the playerbase as possible.

@Uberkingkong
I am sorry to say but your ignorance is baffling, the restrictions are set by Arenanet as they are the hosts of the tournament, the age restriction is also impossed by Arenanets legal team, because a lot of complications do arise from having minors at any event, and a lot of times minors can’t be held liable to their actions, and will need to be provided with adult supervision. Also they can’t accept the prize money directly meaning that they will need to provide more legal documentation to be able to give the cash prize to their legal guardian. (Incase you want to ask why they don’t just nominate someone from the team to accept the prize money, well its just not possible too many issues can stem from that.)

Regarding the countries issue, I live in dubai and have been to live lan events in America, Paris and Madrid; and I can assure you its not the country that is barring me from attending the live event, but the fact that it takes legal research and more legal documentation to allow me to accept the prize money, this is also coupled with entrance to the country among a few other factors.
This however can be cleared up by a legal team and is not by any margin difficult to execute.
(so sir please don’t speak in ignorance, if you don’t understand much about the matter its best not to say anything at all. Thank you.)

In this case Arena Net is just taking the easier option of putting up these restrictions, that I think could overall harm the event, a lot of teams and indivduals who have dedicated a lot of their time in this game are being effected and in a very negative manner, all we are hoping for is that Arena Net re-evaluates the matter and hopefully we can come to a better conclusion.

I understand the regional and age restrictions from a law prospective, the thing is I am also sure that Arena Net has the time and resources to remedy this problem; that is why I want to ask Arena Net if its possible to rethink this, and see if it could be possible to include the other regions and be more lenient with the age restrictions.

The main problem is, that this is going to effect a lot of teams that wish to participate in this tournament, since a large of bulk of the teams have players from different countries or are under the age of 18, this would mean that these teams would then have to replace these players in order to be able to compete in this tournament.
No player would like to hold his team back from achieving victory and thus this would cause a lot of players to consider leaving the competitive scene, because who knows if this could occur again in the future, and they can once again become a hindrance for their team.

This being the first major tournament that Arena Net is hosting, means there needs to be a wide acceptance in order for it to succeed.

Regarding the law aspect of things, I know that these are not legal walls and there are many ways around this hurdle, and I understand it takes time and resources to overcome these problems, but Arena Net should also try and accommodate its playerbase instead of choosing to alienate a large majority of it, in its first live event.

I personally will be leaving the competitive guildwars scene if worst comes to worst, and this won’t be because I hold any resentment to Arena Net, but in fear that this could happen again in the future and that I would be an obstacle for my team; because hey lets face it potentially the region restriction could remain for the next coming tournaments and I have no way of knowing if it will or won’t, so the safer option would be to assume that it would remain.

I hope that Arena Net, takes a serious look and try to accommodate as much as of their playerbase as possible.

P.S If these issues are steaming from travel costs / gaining access to the USA and Hotels; then I am sure that teams will take it upon themselves to provide these to their members and no expense will be taken by Arena Net.

JonathanSharp.7094:

Age restrictions: The reason for the 18 is due to travel/hotel requirements.

For regions: we hope to expand those as we go forward with future tournaments.

More details: There will be additional details/rules coming in the near future, as mentioned in the last section of the announcement.

Balance: We are being VERY careful w/ balance between now and the tournament so you guys don’t have builds changing every patch. This is why we did the larger balance patch last month – we wanted to do smaller and smaller changes as we get closer to the tourney. We know there is a perception that a few things are too strong right now, so we’ll be looking at those between now and the tourney.

yes, but what are the issues regarding the region restrictions, if you can outline it better it would be very helpful.

Well from EU’s side (TP and Denial) will have to make rosters changes, me and vanish are unable to attend due to region problems.

Regarding only having players only from Canada, USA, Mexico and the EU union; what’s the reasoning behind that; because its very vague.
Like is it because of travel expenses or other legal issues, cause we need more clarification regarding this matter please.

Plus all the questions above!!

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/announcing-the-guild-wars-2-invitational-and-regional-qualifying-tournaments/

Discuss.

<3

There is no excuse for not fixing this already, the search function hasn’t been working for the past month.
Is it possible to know if you guys are working on this issue or not ?

Purie.9046:

Xeph.4513:

Purie.9046:

Xeph.4513:

Necro damage is completely out of control, its very hard to l2p against such a massive amount of condi’s.
I think that necro needs to be toned down, its sad but true, if only you could hear our ts during those matches, we had no structure or strat, we just asked our necro’s to kill things and we would assist where possible.

If you would read more than the tittle I would consider your reply as something.

I am not replying to your original message, but people commenting about our games; if I was to reply to your original topic then I would make a point that I am addressing you.

well you’re refering to a mere “marketing trick”. So your point is invalid.

Alright your obviously not worth the time, I can see that from the manner you address people and talk; good luck with what it is you want to achieve.

Purie.9046:

Xeph.4513:

Necro damage is completely out of control, its very hard to l2p against such a massive amount of condi’s.
I think that necro needs to be toned down, its sad but true, if only you could hear our ts during those matches, we had no structure or strat, we just asked our necro’s to kill things and we would assist where possible.

If you would read more than the tittle I would consider your reply as something.

I am not replying to your original message, but people commenting about our games; if I was to reply to your original topic then I would make a point that I am addressing you.

Necro damage is completely out of control, its very hard to l2p against such a massive amount of condi’s.
I think that necro needs to be toned down, its sad but true, if only you could hear our ts during those matches, we had no structure or strat, we just asked our necro’s to kill things and we would assist where possible.

Zenith.7301:

Xeph.4513:

Hey, just to answer a few more questions in depth.

@ Kryshade, Necro’s now bring Burning, Torment and the new and improved weakness, these weren’t present previously and bringing that much condition pressure means and condition cover (for their bleeds and burning), has changed the class drastically.
It is true their previous flaw of being an easy to focus target hasn’t changed, but the fact that they can deal so much counter pressure back on the aggressors and ontop of stacking the new weakness condition, means that they are substantially more survivable even though they are glass canons, and most of the time force their target to back off, if not killing it, but you can almost say any class being bursted down apart from guardians will almost always go down. This scenario however isn’t always true

@Krilce, I am not just jumping on the nerf necro’s train, and have always been a very big advocate of necro’s receiving buffs, but when it has become very apparent that necro’s are bringing a gun to a knife fight.
If you also wish to discuss class viability, guardians and mesmers have always been a common choice of most teams, not because they are overpowered, but because of the utility they offer a team guardians can hold a point and sustain versus multiple targets, making it easier for their team mates to make plays around the map; whilst a mesmer offers illusion of life and portal which are hands down some of the best utilities in the game. Take these utilities away from those classes and watch them disappear from competitive play.
Necro on the other hand, offers great utility and massive aoe damage, that would even melt bunker guards; the damage at the moment is over the top and very very hard to counter; if the necro is giving a moderate time frame of free casting the team fight could be over before it has even started.

I am not saying this because I want them to nerf necro into the ground, I think that in its current state necromancer is over the top and could use some toning down .

So when a guardian is the undisputed point holder and the only class with a 30 sec cd stunbreak that also grants group stability and retal, alongside some of the best cc and passive team aoe damage via retal — it is called “team utility”.

But when necro brings aoe weakness and condition pressure, it is not “team utility”.

Guardians and mesmers have been the best of the best at the roles they’ve been used for. The same could be said of elementalists.

Hell, people complain about glass necros having to be focused down as if it is some monstrous requirement, as if letting a staff elementalist hardcast his crap freely on a point wouldn’t be as devastating if nobody focuses them.

The same applies to a d/p thief. I f your team doesn’t focus him, he will gib someone.

But suddenly necros become a threat with only a single viable build (power necros didn’t get any better, every necro still needs to run a staff, and minions are still crap utility) and the meta comes to a crakittenhink when people don’t complain about classes like guardians is because they don’t die directly to them. Support classes rarely get the hate, even if they’re the ones largely responsible for enabling the result. It’s the most obvious classes, the ones doing the killing, that get attention.

If guardians were an unkillable monster, then I would be inclined to agree with you; but as it is right now, guardians fulfil their role of a node holder without being over the top; any two competent dps are able to kill a guardian very easily, by no means is guardian a broken class, its just a fail safe for teams, so that no matter what happens in a match their guardian will always be able to buy them time.

The problem with necro is the amount of conditions they can put up instantly makes team fights trivial; in most instances people are only considering the necro as a single class, but coupled with any power class condition necro’s are unstoppable, I know for a fact there is nothing easier for me to kill then an enemy who the necro has pumped full of conditions and is spam fearing, its just like shooting fish in a barrel, I just target and kill target and kill, and its not by any merit of mine, but solely due to the fact that necro’s can spread these conditions at lightning speed.

If that is viewed as balance by people, then there is some serious self deception going on here.

Hey, just to answer a few more questions in depth.

@ Kryshade, Necro’s now bring Burning, Torment and the new and improved weakness, these weren’t present previously and bringing that much condition pressure means and condition cover (for their bleeds and burning), has changed the class drastically.
It is true their previous flaw of being an easy to focus target hasn’t changed, but the fact that they can deal so much counter pressure back on the aggressors and ontop of stacking the new weakness condition, means that they are substantially more survivable even though they are glass canons, and most of the time force their target to back off, if not killing it, but you can almost say any class being bursted down apart from guardians will almost always go down. This scenario however isn’t always true

@Krilce, I am not just jumping on the nerf necro’s train, and have always been a very big advocate of necro’s receiving buffs, but when it has become very apparent that necro’s are bringing a gun to a knife fight.
If you also wish to discuss class viability, guardians and mesmers have always been a common choice of most teams, not because they are overpowered, but because of the utility they offer a team guardians can hold a point and sustain versus multiple targets, making it easier for their team mates to make plays around the map; whilst a mesmer offers illusion of life and portal which are hands down some of the best utilities in the game. Take these utilities away from those classes and watch them disappear from competitive play.
Necro on the other hand, offers great utility and massive aoe damage, that would even melt bunker guards; the damage at the moment is over the top and very very hard to counter; if the necro is giving a moderate time frame of free casting the team fight could be over before it has even started.

I am not saying this because I want them to nerf necro into the ground, I think that in its current state necromancer is over the top and could use some toning down .

Sadly I do agree, necro’s at the moment are very overtop and the testament to this is the fact that every team has taken it upon themselves to run a necro.
I know certain people believe that this is just a temporary thing, but fact is necro damage and utility is insane at the moment that they by far outclass all the other professions.

A lot of people have chosen to compare necro to the old hgh engie, but to tbh there is no real comparison necro’s are far superior in very single way, the cc poison and damage reduction through weakness, that they offer a team is indispensable.

Please don’t deceive yourselves by saying that necro isn’t over the top, fact is the meta will be dominated by necro’s and the more time you give it the more people will optimise their role and understand how to play around them.
I believe a lot of more experienced necro players then myself believe the same thing.

Regardless I hope that Arena-net does tone necro’s down, but also keep them viable at the same time, its been great seeing one of the lost professions in tpvp again.

Romek.4201:

@Xeph

i cant believe what i read here from you

i remember one day some months ago when you was streaming and you testet with a staff the spot in khylo to port from outside up in the mid of the tower. i remember what you said when you finaly found it and testet it 2-3×.

you said you hope arenanet dont ban you for testing this exploit and showing it people in stream. you said thats sooo a lame port and should be hotfixed .

now after months using it its fine?

sry its lame

I also mentioned that I had thought it was an exploit, but it seemed like nothing was wrong, since when I reported the bug there was no answer from Anet, confirming the fact it was a bug; and it continued to be in the game for months after that; I also happened to mention on the stream that it wasn’t an exploit.

quoting me regarding a subject that happened over 4-5 months back, when opinions and information changes constantly, proves no point.

People have adapted play styles around this for months, to go ahead and change it now and say that it was unintended it unfair to all the people who have been using it without this information being made available prior to the change.

I don’t think that this problem only applies to thieves, I think that in general the changes to ports spots around the maps, has been very unwelcome; it as completely obliterated a very interesting dynamic that was introduced to us at the start of guild wars 2.
I found this dynamic to be very refreshing as people had to memorize and understand all the different spots that you could port to.

I personally don’t think that it was necessary to nerf/change these port spots, it has done nothing but dumbed down the game, there are no more interesting port escapes or chases, it has also killed the viability of thieves on certain maps (looking at you khylo). I think that Arena net has made a mistake with this change, it was completely unwarranted and could’ve been tackled in a different manner, decreasing the port distances, potentially giving it a cool down, or giving it a totally new repercussion.

Sadly the change came at a very critical time where guild wars 2 tournament viewership has been on the rise, and one of the most enjoyable things was to watch people use these blink spots to their advantage, it saddens me that we will be seeing a lot less of that.

I really hope that arena net considers reverting this change.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Nikkle.4013:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

I only see bad Mesmers carry Moa, honestly.

Guess AL cutie and Xeph and pretty much all top mesmers are bad :/ Don’t know why people are mentioning moa as a 1v1 elite. Phantasam mesmers use it as such but in team fights shatter mesmers use it on a ele or guard and have the whole team spike the target. Dropping a teams guardian or ele in 2 seconds can determine a team fight. Without all that condi cleans, heals, defensive and offensive boons that come from those two classes a team can fall apart. See all the moa spikes in the recent tournaments as examples. Mass invis is nice but a lot of teams have a bomb engi or thief use shadow refuge and get much longer invis openers then a mes can offer.

As I said, Moa is always counter for something, generally a brainless one. With proper organization, a team can make Timewarp work far better to completely win a teamfight. Besides, there is also a counter for Moa, and that is teamwork. If a player is Moa’d, a team can protect him. It’s not an assured thing and is quite risky/ineffective.

Besides, ‘top’ anything should be taken with a grain of salt. You can say Gibbly is a top Necromancer but his ideas for builds/strategies are near nonsense. He is a formidable player, and he does do some nice things for the community, but I wouldn’t consider him a shining example.

I think that your statement is very misguided and false; time warp can’t be utilized by every team, it depends a lot on the setup your running, because there are a lot of classes that don’t benefit from the quickness as much as others do; or if your running a three node strat where you are focused at not team fighting, but rather winning small fights, are just a few examples of where Moa is a far superior elite to time warp.

Also there are a lot of assumptions with in your previous posts, but the control of the situation is in the hands of the mesmer who is running moa, you are making all these statements assuming that the mesmer will use moa in an unfavorable situation.

Hey, I have given my server to several teams to use before; I would be happy to do the same for you, if you could just contact me and maybe we can sort something out.
Regardless I hope they do come out asap, they would do wonders for the community!

Motoko.2875:

alcopaul.2156:

Watching GW1 PvP this days after 8 years, is like still using your Nokia 5110 as your cell phone this time of the year. The game mechanics is old. it is not dynamic. it’s point and click. And the CCs are archaic. They say it’s complicated but i don’t see the complication. Maybe it’s just rigid, well it’s rigid because everything is rigid. Yeah you dshotted or powerblocked infuse health. Sure your skilled. But you’re indeed skilled if you did this on a dialup connection.

It is nothing like that at all. The combat mechanics and the way the game is designed is eternities ahead of any MOBA. HoN, DotA, LoL are the only things that come remotely close to it. The game is old, the mechanics are not. The game is not point in click. You don’t see the complication because you never played the game at a high level. The way you describe integration between dshot/powerblock and infuse health doesn’t define skill. You can’t reflex interupting infuse. The game has much more than that and that is why more people still play GW1 PvP than GW2 s/tPvP.

alcopaul.2156:

I’m the one of the many (i hope) that appreciates the more dynamic and more tactical gameplay of GW2. And this is coming from someone who don’t play tPvP. I watched Team Paradigm and the shoutcasts and I appreciated their skill level and the skill level of their enemies even. it’s fast paced. unpredictable. And concise. No kittenty things such as tie breaker or killing an NPC to win. It’s easy to watch. Easy to follow. Just like every other sports but scrabble. Moreover, The game doesn’t depend on killing an NPC.

You are in the minority. If that copy cat guild can ever be a successful GW1 guild, I’ll give them props. GW2 is no more concise than GW1. In fact, I’d say it is less concise as you need 8 coordinated players as opposed to just 5. To kill an NPC in GW1 you have to outplay your opponent. It isn’t PvE. And the game makes much more sense and is more thrilling than any GW2 play so far.

Again you are showing that you are really unfamiliar with high level play in GW1.

Note – Team Paradigm took their name from a GvG guild that I ran back in GW1 in 2008. Still never understood their fanaticism with my guild.

alcopaul.2156:

I’ve played my share of GW1 gvgs and most of the time we won even at 60 dp because we kittening killed an NPC.

r2000 GvGs don’t count. Again you are showing that you are really unfamiliar with high level play in GW1.

alcopaul.2156:

But one thing that made GW1 GvG a poignant mark on my gaming memory. War Machine [WM] versus Lamer’s Ultimate Majority [LuM]. Everyother matches don’t even compare.

These were good matches. Sadly it occured a little bit before I started PvP.

Everything coming out of your mouth is from that of someone who was never an exceptional player at Guild Wars 1 PvP. I am not trying to be insulting or rude by repeating that statement to you – It is my assessment based on your statements. Your argument isn’t strong and has a ton of inaccuracies and a lot of opinions based on your lack of understanding of GW1 and your opinion that you think you understand GW2 PvP at the apex of its competitive performance.

That pretty much discredit’s your entire argument.

I just want to clear one thing up, we used the name “Team Paradigm” before we even knew about the existence of your guild, but if you are as pompous as to believe that we are trying to steal your guild name etc, then your very deluded.

(We were informed about the existence about a former team in Guildwars 1 with the same name, and after doing our research had found it had been inactive for a long period of time and it didn’t have any overwhelming achievements, therefore we decided to continue using the name; its quit sad that you believe we were trying to steal it; actually to tell you the truth not a single person has even asked us if we were the guild from Guildwars 1.)

I would also like to say, that if you don’t like the game and prefer guildwars 1 then there is no need to harp about it on the forums, the game will never change that drastically so to suit your tastes. People tend to enjoy different things, and the fact is you don’t enjoy guildwars 2, while others do, trying to enforce an opinion on other people while not really be fruitful.

I personally played Guildwars 1 at release, and didn’t find that it was a game that I personally enjoyed so I just stopped playing it.