Guild Wars 2

Lowellollipop.5817:

Posi.4251:

+1 Teldo
+1 Helseth
I think most of “top” players are agree with teldo and helseth.

That’s exaaaaactly where you are wrong Posiqtpie! Not only top players would appreciate it: 90%+ (just a rough guess) of the playerbase would.

Why? Because SoloQ’îng in a rated environment is “the best” way to improve your own mechanical skills, solo decisions, etc that any player can find because he will be matched with and against players of the same skill level who also are playing by themselves and share the same goal: improving (well, this one does not stand true for the very top and very bottom of the ladder in which a lot of people will troll around, but still!).

Please allow me to list a few pros:

- All players would get a place where they can improve their mechanical skills by playing against opponent’s of the same skill level;

- Team players would not have to be scared about affecting their team’s average rating by playing SoloQ;

- Team players would have something to do whenever their full team is not online to play, gathering 5 people is a lot and sometimes you just want to play more;

- Solo players would have a solo ladder to show how good they are whenever they want to join a team and/or create one with people of the same skill level;

- New teams could be born from this system, which would make the game more competitive.

Here’s a little something on that one: In any team-based game that wants to be anywhere near competitive you need to give players an EASY way to create Networks.

Networks are the most IMPORTANT thing a player will need in such games, the good old “be noticeable and get noticed” has always and will always be king in team-based games because it’s what starts everything: joining/creating a team.

As of now, there is ABSOLUTELY no easy way for people who want to be noticed to actually do so because they have no Solo rating, nothing. Guys, in competitive games numbers are THE FIRST thing people will know about you! You know how important a first impression is in life right? It’s the exact same thing in gaming, the only difference is that you’re not judged on how you look, the way you speak or the ammount of money you have in the bank, but on your rating. If you have no rating, you are no one. It’s that simple, really.

Now, let’s think of a game in which being no one was a problem…. from what I gathered we could even take Guild Wars 1 as an example (I’ll be using the ladder type of game, which was GvG and pardon me if I make a mistake). It ended as an elitist-lair in which if you weren’t known no team would bother with you and you would never manage to get into the system, never manage to become “somebody” in the eyes of the people who played the game the way you wanted to play it. Why? Because a player had absolutely NO WAY to get noticed by himself.

Unfortunately, that is the exact same path GW2 is taking. It’s pretty simple. I’ll use my example as someone who’s been playing at the “top” since day 1: the only people I know and would play with in a serious environment are all the other players from top teams with whom and against whom I have played a countless ammount of games. Why? Because I know how good each and every one of them is.

Would I play with someone I don’t know, if I have never heard of that person and there is no rating to show me how good that person is? Obviously, because I’m a fluffy guy so I’d enjoy fun games with anyone. However, there is absolutely no way for me to play seriously with that guy!! I wouldn’t be able to consider him as a trustworthy player.

That is the worst possible path to chose if you hope the game to ever become a big name in the e-sports industry or even a big name in the amazingly fun team PvP games circle.

Please Anet, do not let a game as beautiful as this one become the elitist-lair it’s steadily becoming;
Please, do not let it become GW1;
Please, give players the opportunity to prove themselves to everyone else by themselves.
Please, give a way to people to get noticed.;
Please, let players become part of the networks they need to make your game a successful one, both as a fun and enjoyable game and as an e-sport;
Please, give us a SoloQ-only ladder.

I beg your pardon for my poor English.

Cheers,
Lowell

Totally agree with this post.

Hopefully a lot of people tuned into the streams when we had a heated discussion regarding this matter.

Lowell articulated everything that I would’ve wanted to say in that post.

I don’t get why people have to be rude and condescending, all this person asked for is help, so either try and provide it or just say nothing at all; this really represents what is wrong with this community right now, all to eager to get at each others throats.

Anyways OP, I don’t think there is much you can do in the situation apart than asking for help, you can use your dodge roll or get off the point provided that you won’t end up giving the point away for a neut; also you need to be careful about using your “Shelter” (provided that is the heal your running), since necro is probably the only class that can interrupt that heal using the fear mark, but that is really down to the skill level of the necro, you can probably get away with using the heal anyway.

Try and dodge around and use your condi clear before healing, just basically try and maximize the efficiency of when you use your condi clears etc.

Sorry not much of a bunker player myself, hopefully that was some what useful

Before I say anything I would just like to say that I have played thief and I understand what the class is capable of doing.

A lot of people in this post don’t seem to realise that the issue isn’t only the damage, but the fact that thieves can come in at any point in the fight and insta gib / stomp someone before the rest of the team can react and that is really bad game design and not really enjoyable for players on the receiving end.
There is little you can do to stop a thief from one shoting a player who is already engaged in combat with another player and than getting insta stomped by quickness.

What people fail to understand is it makes little to no difference how much toughness the thief has, if you can’t hit him in the first place or the fact that he can disengage most fights at will.
If you wish to compare thief to other glass canons your going to find that they are far more effective, because they are harder to kill, harder to stomp, harder to keep track of and they deal a lot more damage than other glass canons; so overall they are more effective than any other glass canon build in every single way.

I do agree that thief burst needs to be toned down, or made in a way that it is possible to react to, because atm this game is a lot less fun not only for the hardcore players but also the casual who wants to log on for a few hours and have fun with game, instead of getting insta killed over and over.
Simply said, it makes me laugh that people try and argue the fact thats its okay to have an “Insta kill” ability because you have a window of 0.3 seconds to react to it.
Insta kill should not exist in any video game and detracts from the fun of the game, hopefully Arena net address this issue at the nearest time frame possible.

Good Video, disliked all the reverse action was too much :<
Also you might want to stop casting the 2nd skill in water as it stops you from casting all spells for 2 seconds (its bugged atm)

DAoC for the win tbh, I’ve never experienced anything close to the pvp of daoc nor the awesome community it had; DAoC was the mmo of the century (Although the OP Savage era was kind of annoying to deal with :<).
Hib/Excal all the way.
<3

How are you planning to time travel into the future meta that is EU ?!
Please discuss in detail!

Hey, me and the following people are stuck in a tournament game if anything can be done about that, their names are:
Teldo.1473
Snip.6138
Phantaram.4816
Azshene.1798

Hey, me and the following people are stuck in a tournament game if anything can be done about that, their names are:
Teldo.1473
Snip.6138
Phantaram.4816
Azshene.1798

Ace of Spades.6325:

I apologize for my bad english

Java is from the US, they are 1 month behind in the meta, all the US teams got stomped when they came in EU.

Xeph is a cool guy, but i haven’t seen TP in paid for more than 1 month, and the meta changed a lot meanwhile.

And who is ‘’Vain?’’

It’s just my 2 cents, but i think that doing this kind of thing is pretty arrogant, at least win a lan event and prove that you’ve a deep knowledge of the meta before talking.

Maybe it’s just me thinking that it’s arrogant, it’s a subjective opinion, and i might be wrong. The main problem i have with this kind of things is that it might end up like the other time, where that guy Meteor said a bunch of stuffs that weren’t true.

I don’t think i need to explain why having a bunch of people, (that may or may not have the knowledge) talking to a big crowd, could mislead the community into believe in something that is wrong.

Firstly, I would like to say that I have deep respect for “SS” and especially lowell.

Secondly, if you feel that I am unfit to do the podcast than I would be happy to step down and you can take my place; I have no problems or quells with that; I was just contacted by the hosts of the show and they asked me to make a reappearance, but if you feel that you are more fit to take my spot, than by all means go ahead.
Also, this show is meant to be a collection of opinions some may conflict and hopefully spark good discussions, people in the community will be able to tune in, ask questions and hopefully join in on the discussions; I don’t understand what you think this podcast is meant to be ?
Our initial hope with doing the podcast was to give the pvp community a little boost and entertainment; I don’t get why you are taking great offence to that, our why it is that you feel people need to win some sort of “lan event” before being given the right to make a podcast, which essentially is just a collection of players discussing the state of the game from their prospective.

I also feel that you made a poor choice in words when talking about the NA scene, I have recently played with QT (really really nice people, I had a lot of fun and learned a lot from them at the same time), and I don’t feel that they are behind in the meta at all; I am actually every excited to see the EU Meta meet the NA Meta, because they are two different playstyles and it would be interesting to see how they fair against each other; there is no such thing as “Our meta is more advanced than yours”.

Anyways if people feel that I am unsuited to do the podcast, than I am more than happy to step down and have someone else take my spot, the only reason I signed up for it was to give back to the community and keep it growing, but if you feel that you have something more valuable to offer, than I will not hesitate to give you my spot.

Thank you,

Much love to EU and NA!

Naito.5693:

JonathanSharp.7094:

Just wanted to jump in and say that I’m reading this thread and taking it all in. Keep it civil (don’t get yourselves banned! ) and let those ideas flow.

I know some of you are upset with the change, but really, this is something we were planning for a while. WE MAY NOT LOCK DOWN utilities down the road, so that you can still have some adjustment when out of combat, but at the same time, we do not think weapon swapping mid-match is good for the overall health of the game. Just wanted to remind you we are here, and I am watching the forums, and your ideas are being heard.

Keep it constructive (and really, overall you guys are doing a FANTASTIC JOB OF THIS!), and carry on!

All I’m reading is “keep those ideas flowing, we’re here, we’re reading everything, however, we will still do whatever the kitten we want.”

And yeah, no kitten we’re doing a fantastic job. You, on the other hand, are not.

Your a regular bucket of sunshine aren’t you ?
It would suffice just to be happy that a dev actually replied to the thread :<
Anyways as I said before, people need to calm down and see how these new changes unfold; if your unhappy in a week or two you will at least be able to make a good thread backed by actual facts and not assumptions.
<3

Tripp.9862:

JonathanSharp.7094:

Just wanted to jump in and say that I’m reading this thread and taking it all in. Keep it civil (don’t get yourselves banned! ) and let those ideas flow.

I know some of you are upset with the change, but really, this is something we were planning for a while. WE MAY NOT LOCK DOWN utilities down the road, so that you can still have some adjustment when out of combat, but at the same time, we do not think weapon swapping mid-match is good for the overall health of the game. Just wanted to remind you we are here, and I am watching the forums, and your ideas are being heard.

Keep it constructive (and really, overall you guys are doing a FANTASTIC JOB OF THIS!), and carry on!

I’m not sure I understand what’s going on here. I’m just an average player, who probably dies more than he kills others in sPVP.

It’s been my understanding for quite some time now, that the whole point of GW2 combat system was the weapon swapping, or in the case of elementalists swapping between attunements. To give it a more involved and challenging aspect.

If what I’m reading in this thread is true, now I’ll either have to pick my shield/mace or greatsword before a match on my guardian and be stuck with it? So the majority of the time I’ll just be autohitting people? That’s really disappointing and quite frankly incredibly boring.

Being able to switch to mace/shield when my dps greatsword abilities are on cooldown for the heal symbol and giving allies some protection is now not possible?
If so, then I guess my guardian is now going to be straight up dps.

Your misunderstanding, you will be able to equip your greatsword and ur mace/shield, but if you have a warhorn in your backpack than you won’t be able to equip that to use it for swiftness thats all XD

The only thing people are afraid of is change, I mean this patch hasn’t been out for a long enough time to give an accurate assessment on how this is going to effect pvp in the long run, yet people choose to come on the forums and have an extended argument regarding this matter.
Anyways just give it a chance and lets see where it goes

Personally I think that this is a good change, I have always found weapon swapping outside of combat to be rather cheesy; it offered mobility to classes the otherwise didn’t have access to it, it also means that people will now start thinking about new builds or picking up different traits to deal with this change.
It will be a nice meta game shake up, one that has been long over due, I know that this change has upset a lot of people, but I find it rather refreshing. I believe that this is how it was intended to be from the start, and I do understand that certain classes will be hurt by this more than others, but than again it will be interesting to see how teams adapt to these changes.
I just want to say that no meta game stays the same, there always needs to be a shake up to keep things fresh and interesting, things get stagnant if they remain the same for too long.
Also if you don’t want people knowing what your strats are and what you are running, than streaming is a bad choice, I know that its sad but you can’t really have your cake and eat it.
All in all, I just wanted to say that I think this is a good change, and I always thought that this change would be coming earlier, but its good that its finally here.

Shadow Dragon Ad.2409:

Xeph.4513:

This thread just doesnt want to die :<
LET IT DIE!

but xeph there’s too much circle jerking to be done :O

-.- reported

This thread just doesnt want to die :<
LET IT DIE!

I’m afraid you just opened pandora’s box lowel :<

When I was talking about pre-set questions (http://www.guildwars2guru.com/news/904-guru-state-of-the-game-stream-featuring-arenanet-developer-jonathan-sharp/), is what I was talking about, you can see the topics there clearly outlined two weeks before we even talked about them.
What people need to understand is, this is an interview and we can’t just go in and wing it. There needs to be some sort of order, otherwise it would be chaos with 7 people trying to get each their points across.

Anyways for me personally I just would like to thank Arenanet, for the opportunity and I think that personally speaking I have renewed hope for the game after the talks.

Hopefully there will be more talks in the future, that will answer everyones questions.

hackks.3687:

Dardamaniac.1295:

You know,im not a pro player..I never was that good in any game.I study Geology,i work right now.I return home from work,i put some sweet music and i play GW2.Just to relax,just to have some time with myself.
So i geuss i will never understand how Xeph feels.
But i have a principle that i will hold on no matter what….
I would never answer pre set questions in anyone.
If you want to talk with me you ll have the real me,not a “speaker”

that’s not how public interviews work. Anytime an interview is conducted publicly the questions are posed and agreed upon ahead of time to:

a.) the information/material is OK/ready to be discussed publicly
b.) make sure there are no surprises or ambushes
c.) make sure there is enough material to fill the time slot

all of which makes the discourse more focused and relevant.

people need to chill. it was a 1 hour discussion by a bunch of guys (not professionals) gracious enough to take the time to try to shed some light on a few things for the community. Was it meant to cover everything? Of course not. Did it give a decent view into the road ahead for GW2 PvP? Certainly. And that’s all it was meant to do.
Try to keep the criticism constructive and polite and future interviews will only get better. Maybe even steamed live! (couldn’t resist)

+1 hackks and much love

Jacobin.8509:

Xeph.4513:

In your orginal posted you said “that this is the problem with having a host from a fansite and wanna-be esports heroes”, I am sorry if I fail to see how this isn’t insulting to the people on the receiving end, because I found it insulting to myself.

I asked people to discuss the video, not take personal stabs at the people participating, if you wanted to you could’ve avoided that exact wording and said it differently, and thats what I found “disgusting” was the fact that you choose to put the host and the people who took time out of their day to bring you that show in a bad light and for no reason, apart from the fact that they didn’t ask the questions that you wanted.

I will concede my wording was overly harsh, but please stop acting like you did this show purely out of charity for the rest of us.

As a team aspiring to become ‘pro’ and get paid to play this game you need publicity to attract sponsors, which you get from doing shows like this which devs are on. As such, you are unlikely to publicly criticize Anet when there are obviously massive problems with spvp and potentially hurt your image / privileged relationship with Anet. Its the same for Guru.

Please just stop acting like a victim here.

Your statement is incorrect, no sponsor is going to sign us just because we did a podcast that a developer happened to be on, that’s not how things work; if Arenanet manages to get this game together and has a big tournament with a large cash prize and I do well in that tournament, thats when we will got sponsoring; so yes my whole interest is in getting this game to be better for the casuals and pros alike. There was really zero self interest for me in doing that podcast, I did it so this game can improve and just be more playable.

Ace of Spades.6325:

@Xeph, I’ve a huge respect for you, but i’ve to say that you only said HALF the turth, and we both know i’m right. You can’t espect people not to be mad after how Anet treated us, the fact that the community unleash their rage on whoever appears on the screen is unfortunate but predictable.

I don’t have the balls to be a whistleblower, so i’ll just say what is already well known but most people still don’t realize.

a) The game was not supposed to be released so early, that’s why the pvp is unfinished.

b) Anet is in denial, they crippled themselves with the tournament system, and they can’t/won’t admit it.

c) The game will be good, trust me. Anet being in denial is just slowing down the process, but it will be good eventually.

I don’t want to make this a wall of text, but if you want to know why the game is not working, and what should’ve been, you can read my quote from another topic:

Ace of Spades.6325:

Sorry for my Engrish.

No, and we will not be for a long time. They went for this tournament system for the sake of being different, crippling down the game for the next 5 months at least.

The concept is not bad, the problem is that the devs working on pvp are just mere humans, they can’t code faster.

This system requires many things to be finished:

Hot Join
Free Tournaments
Paid Tournaments
Monthly Tournaments
Ranked System
Private Servers
Spectator Mode

It’s very complicated to code and project something like this. But they could’ve worked on something standard, and at this point we would prolly have twice the player base, and most the features needed to start an eSport.

Example:

Unranked Q, both solo and premade. (1 match, random map)
Solo Q ranked, solo or 2 man premade. (1 match, random map)
Ranked Q, premade only. (1 match, random map) <—— no need for 8 teams to be online.
Private servers.
Spectator mode.

With a system like this, both casuals and hardcorers would be able to play at anytime of the day, instead Anet decided to be hipsters, being different for the sake of being different, and now casuals can’t play at all (without getting stomped), and hardcorers can only at specific hours.

If i was in charge, i would put the effort into bringing a ranked solo q in the game as fast as possible, that’s the main thing that keeps the average/hardcorish player playing the game. Some people simply don’t have the time to find 4 good players, but they still want to play competitive, also i could name at least 10 friends who stopped playing cuz ‘’i don’t play unranked games’’. I strongly belive that if we had a system like the one i suggested (and most big games have it) we would’ve a much healtier game.

Ace, I don’t expect people not to be angry at Arena-net I just expect them not to get angry at the host and the people participating in the event, because its unfair to those that are trying to bring something to the community; basically like the quote “don’t shoot the messenger”.
People are mad that certain questions didn’t get answered, but what people also need to realise is that we were under time restrictions in which we had to finish the show and answer pre set questions, so it wasn’t our show to run but we were there as speakers and thats all.

All I can say is that if people want things like this to keep happening to be so negative about it, because that will achieve nothing, at least we have Arenanet talking to us now, so take advantage of this and plan for the next event

Jacobin.8509:

Xeph.4513:

I saw this post and I felt like I just had to comment on how disgusting I find it to be; you start by insulting everyone that took the time of day to bring you this podcast, grouch is one of the nicest people you could have the pleasure of meeting and I see no problem in him hosting the event and all those wanna-be esport heroes probably care more about the game than you do, so show a little respect, that was completely unnecessary, and really illustrates whats wrong with the competitive community.

You question why it is that we don’t ask all the hard questions ?
Well simply said the event was only going to be 1 hour long, there were 7 people at the event its self, so if we were to ask any of the hard questions we would find ourselves pressed for time, so it was decided that those questions would be avoided and that we would ask questions that could fit into the time parameter, instead of having a podcast that accomplishes nothing.

All in all, I really don’t care what you think, just don’t take a personal stab at the people that worked really hard to bring this to you and the rest of the community, it only helps to discredit you as a person.

I didn’t insult anybody, you said yourself on the show what your ‘endgame’ plan is. I am sure you are all great people, but you still all have a vested interest in having a cozy relationship with the devs, especially Guru.

I heard a lot of talk about who should be balancing the game, Anet’s design challenges during the holiday season and in general, minor bugs and EU internet service providers yet pressing topics like solo queue and single rated matches were hardly touched. The ticket monetization scheme which currently punishes new teams was also not even addressed.

Xeph I will give you credit for actually asking some real questions in the last 10 minutes of the show. Most notably about queue times and population. It was a little concerning that other members on the show didn’t seem to see this as a massive problem, since it will have a major impact on esports potential, which I assume you all care about.

Finally, you started this thread to discuss the show. If a little criticism is ‘disgusting’ to you, ‘shows whats wrong with the community’ and ‘discredits me as a person’ all I can say is I am sorry for being honest and not just simply accepting your and Anet’s words as the gospel.

I may not spend 40 hours a week in paids farming a fancy collection of QP badges. Nevertheless, I actually do think the combat mechanics in this game are very good and worth keeping around which is why I make posts like these in an attempt to pressure Anet to put spvp development up the agenda.

In your orginal posted you said “that this is the problem with having a host from a fansite and wanna-be esports heroes”, I am sorry if I fail to see how this isn’t insulting to the people on the receiving end, because I found it insulting to myself.

I asked people to discuss the video, not take personal stabs at the people participating, if you wanted to you could’ve avoided that exact wording and said it differently, and thats what I found “disgusting” was the fact that you choose to put the host and the people who took time out of their day to bring you that show in a bad light and for no reason, apart from the fact that they didn’t ask the questions that you wanted.

Jacobin.8509:

7 People was too many when an actual dev was on who had big announcements.

The problem with having the host be from a fan site, and wannabe e-sport heroes as guests, is that they threw a lot of softballs to Anet and glossed over or didn’t address the most important issues for players who might be considering coming back.

As people here have pointed out, MMR won’t work with the present population since with so few teams newer people will still get matched against vets which defeats the purpose. The population issue MUST be addressed before anything else.

It also makes no sense in the present tournament system since a noob bracket tournament would be getting the same qualifier points reward that a vet bracket receives.

One of the things that might bring people back is a legitimate solo queue, but we got the answer that this isn’t going to happen.

Also people want single ranked matches, not tournaments that require 40 people and 45 mins with a lot of downtime just to take part in a basic competitive game. He said this was being considered, but was very vague when this is probably one of the most important changes that need to be made.

They didn’t even talk about the ticket entry fee barrier monetization scheme, probably because the monopoly teams that were represented don’t care, but it is hurting the population.

From an Esport’s perspective, until Anet puts up some money rather than making vague promises, there is no reason to take this game seriously and be a free-labor beta tester for some far off hope that the game will take off.

The overall message was pretty much that there is really no reason to play the game presently. We are better off letting the guys on the show test these proposed features then maybe return once a legitimate competitive system is actually implemented.

The problem is that 3-6 months down the line the game will be so far from release that it will be a major challenge to get people to come back even with the perfect system. And like it or not, its the masses that make a game successful, not the ‘pros’.

I saw this post and I felt like I just had to comment on how disgusting I find it to be; you start by insulting everyone that took the time of day to bring you this podcast, grouch is one of the nicest people you could have the pleasure of meeting and I see no problem in him hosting the event and all those wanna-be esport heroes probably care more about the game than you do, so show a little respect, that was completely unnecessary, and really illustrates whats wrong with the competitive community.

You question why it is that we don’t ask all the hard questions ?
Well simply said the event was only going to be 1 hour long, there were 7 people at the event its self, so if we were to ask any of the hard questions we would find ourselves pressed for time, so it was decided that those questions would be avoided and that we would ask questions that could fit into the time parameter, instead of having a podcast that accomplishes nothing.

All in all, I really don’t care what you think, just don’t take a personal stab at the people that worked really hard to bring this to you and the rest of the community, it only helps to discredit you as a person.

we were talking about nerfing the ele downed state, so that when they mist form they are not reset to 50% hp again, even though they mistformed at 1%, cause that is what makes it really op :<

Here it is, please feel free to discuss.

Jinks.2057:

Nerf PvPet

Nerf PvDoor

Nerf PvNPC

Let’s get back to PvP please

Let’s just keep it constructive please

all I am going to say is that there is a lot of good news in there and really good discussion; but most important is that we got a lot of issues that Arenanet has avoided answered, so all in all I am very happy with how things went down.
look forward to it soon last I know its uploaded on youtube, but they are waiting for the okay to release it to the public.

Well good news, john has read the thread and we managed to discuss most of the stuff said on here; maybe not all of it but most.
Hopefully the interview will be up in an hour if not check in the morning.
I apologise to the people who we couldn’t get to :< time was limited.
Much love pvp’rs!

nope I just had exams XD

Some great idea’s here, I will try my best to pass them along

Since I firmly believe that tonights talks arn’t only about the competitive community and that everyone should at least get a chance to have their opinions voiced. I would like to see what questions the community wants to ask the developers, I can’t promise that there will be answers to all the questions but I will try and voice them to the best of my ability.
So if you have any questions or suggestions for tonights talks with the devs please feel free to post them below and I will try to the best of my ability to bring them up, sadly can’t promise that all the questions will be answered.

Dear Arenanet,
It has been a good 3 months since this game has launched; and I really don’t understand why certain maps lag and others don’t, personally I have been unable to play on this map for 2 days now I don’t get why its specifically legacy, but I sincerely hope that you can have a look at this issue.

Thank you!

I would have to say that the new system for lack of better words is pretty kitten and really poorly thought out; I have no clue why Arenanet thought that the previous system needed changing.
The only way I see this system working is if the timer starts from the second that you go down, meaning that if you stay in downed state for more than 20 seconds than your given an instant respawn, thus discouraging players from keeping the person in downed state for too long, and bringing back an element of control over the rez time, or we could simply go back to the old system that worked perfectly.

I understand Arenanets approach with this new system, but I hate the fact that they are trying to dumb the game down; its nice that people can’t filter into a point constantly to keep it neutral, but I believe this problem could’ve been addressed in a different fashion to the one Arenanet chose to take.

All in all, I hope that the system is reverted or changed at the soonest time possible.

Sorry but from my perspective there seems to be something really wrong with you; but when someone tells you played badly in a certain instance, than you either try and justifiy why don’t think you did or thank him for pointing it out and try and improve.
It’s in no way an insult, and we as a team actively try and pin point when we could have done things better to try and improve upon it in the future.
I don’t see anything wrong with telling someone they played badly in a scenario, but as I said I don’t get why you are so bitter.

Regardless im out of time, I’m sorry to see someone like you trolling these forums and hope that you take a different approach in the future.

Thank you and goodbye.

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Xeph.4513:

I also don’t think that payne tried to justify that air runes are balanced, he just tried to explain the fact that you don’t even do a good job of showing that air runes are what lost you that fight…

Let’s take a look at this little pearl of wisdom. His post and original topic didn’t spout “OMG I LOST BECAUSE OF AIR RUNE PROCS, MUST BE OP”, yet you represent it as such. Again, big headed much?

Yet again, you either have low comprehension or your just bitter, I was saying that is what payene was trying to get across; in his argument with the op that you can see on the first page.

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You joined into a discussion between those two for what purpose? To spout off the “l2p” mantra that plagues people who think too highly of themselves? Again, that only further proves my point.[/quote]

“you played badly”
“(this isn’t a poke at prince in anyway, because the video provided doesn’t really give a good indication of skill level.)”

In no way did I tell anyone to l2p, all I said was he played badly in that instance; I don’t believe anyone can play perfectly and everyone is prone to making it mistakes and this goes without exception; so please don’t twist my words and make assumptions based on your own insecurities, because I never at any point told the op he was a bad player or that he needed to l2p.
Sorry but it just seems like your a very bitter person, and I have no idea why you seem like you have a bone to pick with me, but don’t distort things.

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@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.

@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.

I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.

The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.

That’s exactly how I feel, glad we are in agreement. You’re a random to me and I don’t particular care what your feelings are. You came into a thread and posted something that had absolutely nothing to do with the post. You then get called on it and get your knickers in a bunch; trying to play the holier than thou art card. I don’t buy it and I don’t need to. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as everyone elses. The difference between the two of us is that I realize it. You however seem to think you’re actually someone.

Yet again, just pulling things out of thin air.
I never claimed to be someone nor do I care for efame or whatever, although you seem really hung up on it, well anyways im done trading words with you.

P.S I don’t understand what peoples obsession with the word “random” is, but I wanted it to be in the context of someone I don’t really know or care for.

I used it in that context too, so why are you so upset about it? You obviously have a very high opinion of yourself (as it relates to this game).

Please point me to the post, that indicates that I think highly of myself and that I am above everyone else, please do.

Reference your first post and every post following. I understand that the start of this argument stemmed from you not being able to process what was written, so I’ll give you a little time.

I am a little dim witted, so can you please quote the exact lines; because you seem convinced of this and I don’t see it, so indulge me.

I can do you one better, again just read your WHOLE post.

As I thought your unable to, thanks that’s all I needed to know.

Your whole post…how hard is that to understand. I’ll give you the quick 2 second summary of the first paragraph of your first post, to help you get started. It begins where you start telling someone they played poorly, when it had absolutely ZERO to do with the posting topic. Go ahead, read on and digest…I’ll wait.

So that makes me high and mighty, because I told someone he played badly in said situation; you get better with time don’t you ?
At which point did you fail to register that I was addressing the OP and Payene’s conversation, that wasn’t part of the original topic or does that fact escape you everytime ?

A discussion that wasn’t even prompted by the original topic. So you intentionally went by way of Payne and made this a conversation about how well someone played or didn’t play, when that wasn’t the topic at hand. How this escapes you is becoming more and more evident every passing post.

Nope, the topic in its sell was moot point that had already been discussed and mauled over many times before, I just joined into a discussion within the thread that was going on between payene and the op; how many times must I repeat that before it breaks through ?

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@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.

@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.

I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.

The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.

That’s exactly how I feel, glad we are in agreement. You’re a random to me and I don’t particular care what your feelings are. You came into a thread and posted something that had absolutely nothing to do with the post. You then get called on it and get your knickers in a bunch; trying to play the holier than thou art card. I don’t buy it and I don’t need to. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as everyone elses. The difference between the two of us is that I realize it. You however seem to think you’re actually someone.

Yet again, just pulling things out of thin air.
I never claimed to be someone nor do I care for efame or whatever, although you seem really hung up on it, well anyways im done trading words with you.

P.S I don’t understand what peoples obsession with the word “random” is, but I wanted it to be in the context of someone I don’t really know or care for.

I used it in that context too, so why are you so upset about it? You obviously have a very high opinion of yourself (as it relates to this game).

Please point me to the post, that indicates that I think highly of myself and that I am above everyone else, please do.

Reference your first post and every post following. I understand that the start of this argument stemmed from you not being able to process what was written, so I’ll give you a little time.

I am a little dim witted, so can you please quote the exact lines; because you seem convinced of this and I don’t see it, so indulge me.

I can do you one better, again just read your WHOLE post.

As I thought your unable to, thanks that’s all I needed to know.

Your whole post…how hard is that to understand. I’ll give you the quick 2 second summary of the first paragraph of your first post, to help you get started. It begins where you start telling someone they played poorly, when it had absolutely ZERO to do with the posting topic. Go ahead, read on and digest…I’ll wait.

So that makes me high and mighty, because I told someone he played badly in said situation; you get better with time don’t you ?
At which point did you fail to register that I was addressing the OP and Payene’s conversation, that wasn’t part of the original topic or does that fact escape you everytime ?

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@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.

@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.

I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.

The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.

That’s exactly how I feel, glad we are in agreement. You’re a random to me and I don’t particular care what your feelings are. You came into a thread and posted something that had absolutely nothing to do with the post. You then get called on it and get your knickers in a bunch; trying to play the holier than thou art card. I don’t buy it and I don’t need to. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as everyone elses. The difference between the two of us is that I realize it. You however seem to think you’re actually someone.

Yet again, just pulling things out of thin air.
I never claimed to be someone nor do I care for efame or whatever, although you seem really hung up on it, well anyways im done trading words with you.

P.S I don’t understand what peoples obsession with the word “random” is, but I wanted it to be in the context of someone I don’t really know or care for.

I used it in that context too, so why are you so upset about it? You obviously have a very high opinion of yourself (as it relates to this game).

Please point me to the post, that indicates that I think highly of myself and that I am above everyone else, please do.

Reference your first post and every post following. I understand that the start of this argument stemmed from you not being able to process what was written, so I’ll give you a little time.

I am a little dim witted, so can you please quote the exact lines; because you seem convinced of this and I don’t see it, so indulge me.

I can do you one better, again just read your WHOLE post.

As I thought your unable to, thanks that’s all I needed to know.

Seether.7285:

Xeph takes the time and effort to make 10 posts in 2 hours without even grasping the content of the previous posts before making his additions, that is what separates the Pros the from the newbs obviously.

Maybe I don’t have anything better to do and trust me it takes no effort.

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@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.

@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.

I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.

The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.

That’s exactly how I feel, glad we are in agreement. You’re a random to me and I don’t particular care what your feelings are. You came into a thread and posted something that had absolutely nothing to do with the post. You then get called on it and get your knickers in a bunch; trying to play the holier than thou art card. I don’t buy it and I don’t need to. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as everyone elses. The difference between the two of us is that I realize it. You however seem to think you’re actually someone.

Yet again, just pulling things out of thin air.
I never claimed to be someone nor do I care for efame or whatever, although you seem really hung up on it, well anyways im done trading words with you.

P.S I don’t understand what peoples obsession with the word “random” is, but I wanted it to be in the context of someone I don’t really know or care for.

I used it in that context too, so why are you so upset about it? You obviously have a very high opinion of yourself (as it relates to this game).

Please point me to the post, that indicates that I think highly of myself and that I am above everyone else, please do.

Reference your first post and every post following. I understand that the start of this argument stemmed from you not being able to process what was written, so I’ll give you a little time.

I am a little dim witted, so can you please quote the exact lines; because you seem convinced of this and I don’t see it, so indulge me.

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@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.

@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.

I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.

The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.

That’s exactly how I feel, glad we are in agreement. You’re a random to me and I don’t particular care what your feelings are. You came into a thread and posted something that had absolutely nothing to do with the post. You then get called on it and get your knickers in a bunch; trying to play the holier than thou art card. I don’t buy it and I don’t need to. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as everyone elses. The difference between the two of us is that I realize it. You however seem to think you’re actually someone.

Yet again, just pulling things out of thin air.
I never claimed to be someone nor do I care for efame or whatever, although you seem really hung up on it, well anyways im done trading words with you.

P.S I don’t understand what peoples obsession with the word “random” is, but I wanted it to be in the context of someone I don’t really know or care for.

I used it in that context too, so why are you so upset about it? You obviously have a very high opinion of yourself (as it relates to this game).

Please point me to the post, that indicates that I think highly of myself and that I am above everyone else, please do.

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ITT: People from top teams demonstrate they have no idea how to read and evaluate the comments made by people. Welcome to the club Xeph, you are an idiot as well.

Thanks looking forward to getting my card!

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@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.

@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.

I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.

The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.

That’s exactly how I feel, glad we are in agreement. You’re a random to me and I don’t particular care what your feelings are. You came into a thread and posted something that had absolutely nothing to do with the post. You then get called on it and get your knickers in a bunch; trying to play the holier than thou art card. I don’t buy it and I don’t need to. Your opinion is just as valid or invalid as everyone elses. The difference between the two of us is that I realize it. You however seem to think you’re actually someone.

Yet again, just pulling things out of thin air.
I never claimed to be someone nor do I care for efame or whatever, although you seem really hung up on it, well anyways im done trading words with you.

P.S I don’t understand what peoples obsession with the word “random” is, but I wanted it to be in the context of someone I don’t really know or care for.

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@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.

@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.

I’m no more of a random than you are. Please continue on thinking you’re better than everyone else and perhaps spare us your soap boxing in the future.

The reference to random was from my perspective, but its sad to see that you have some confidence issues, and I have never claimed to be better than anyone but yet again I suppose you brought that up from thin air just like all your other posts.
Thanks though, cause I don’t need to feel bad because I didn’t wrong someone worth while.

@Pyrial I cba to indulge a random anymore than I have already done, its sad to see that there are people like you hanging around these forums, regardless hopefully in the future you learn to be a bit more respectful in your posts, I apologize about the snide comments I made don’t usually do that, but people who start off by stating “Another person who can’t read” don’t normally bode well by my books.

@Prince I understand that those topics were covered in the initial topic I was just adding my two cents into your argument with payne, in no way did I have interest in the main topic since I think that has already been argued many times before.
Also I was just trying to point out that your video gave a bad example and might confuse some people as to what the issue is, because the culling bug wasn’t really illustrated that well in it.

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@Xeph, so you agree that air runes are broken; yet you tried to derail the post. Glad you admit that your whole post was unneccesary and by virtue deserving of my snide remark.

Well there is no hope when a person decides to be narrow minded, I addressed other issues discussed within the topic, forum threads can be used to discuss various other issues be it that the initial topic was diverted from, it doesn’t mean that I cannot other peoples issues or accusations; these are the forums sir get with the program or just don’t post at all.
Sadly your not even a person worth discussing this any further with, learn to look at the bigger picture next time and have a little more respect maybe people will show it to you aswell in the future.

Sadly, you could have spared us all your inane drivel by taking your own advice.

You could also spare us your obvious trolling by not posting.

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@Xeph, so you agree that air runes are broken; yet you tried to derail the post. Glad you admit that your whole post was unneccesary and by virtue deserving of my snide remark.

Well there is no hope when a person decides to be narrow minded, I addressed other issues discussed within the topic, forum threads can be used to discuss various other issues be it that the initial topic was diverted from, it doesn’t mean that I cannot discuss other peoples issues or accusations; these are the forums sir get with the program or just don’t post at all.
Sadly your not even a person worth discussing this any further with, learn to look at the bigger picture next time and have a little more respect maybe people will show it to you aswell in the future.

You do understand the reason he remained invisible in that fight was purely due to the fact that he was blinded for the first attack, you blocked the next attack and evaded the last; and a thief doesn’t destealth until he has either landed a hit or the timer has run out.

Thing is you bring this video forth to shed light on a certain subject that has been discussed 100 times previously, but the video fails in every single way to provide evidence of said issues, thing is we acknowledge the presence of those problems and everyone is already aware of them; so the question is why provide a video that fails to prove anything ?

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Everyone knows that air runes in their current state are broken, I doubt that anyone is going to deny this; but fact is prince you got outplayed in that fight, there was no indication that air runes were even the reason you lost that fight, you played badly and you were punished for it, so I don’t understand why your arguing otherwise.

I also don’t think that payne tried to justify that air runes are balanced, he just tried to explain the fact that you don’t even do a good job of showing that air runes are what lost you that fight; and the fact that your upset at the rng factor of the air runes and sigils is also a moot point, mmo’s and moba’s alike have always the rng factor incorporated into them, crits and weapon procs have always and will always be around.

I just don’t understand what it is you wish to achieve, by going after payne when all he did was simply clarify what happened in the video and it also baffles me that people still don’t understand that sigil procs and rune procs are part of the gameplay and I doubt they will be removed, there will always be a level of rng that players should be ready to deal with, you can come on the forums and whine about it whenever you feel like you were unlucky, but I doubt that will help the case.

Regarding your argument about thieves, I have found that good elementalist (this isn’t a poke at prince in anyway, because the video provided doesn’t really give a good indication of skill level.) have an easy time dealing with thieves if they understand how to avoid the initial burst, and that thieves in general aren’t as bad as people make them out to be, and we personally haven’t really ran a thief in our main comp and we are still doing very well. Albeit they do need a nerf towards DD and BS to bring them a bit more in line damage wise.

P.S I am no way saying that air runes don’t need to be nerfed, I fully and 100% agree that they should.

Another person who can’t read…What does his ability to play or not play well have to do with the bull kitten rng burst associated with that rune proc? Absolutely nothing…

This wasn’t a thief vs ele thread it was about a bug (culling issue) and the insane rng burst of those runes. All of the other talk in this thread is white noise.

Ability to play actually almost always effects threads and posts created on these forums, also lack of knowledge in the game effects those posts; people will always complain about rng, thats not a big surprise to me and they will continue to do so.

Oh and before you claim that I am unable to read or spout a kitten condescending comment, back track and read the rest of the thread. I doubt anyone doesn’t know how broken air runes are at the moment, but its also now very normal to assume that most thieves / damage dealing classes are running them; do we need another forum post about rng, na I don’t think so, especially not one as badly illustrated as this one.

P.S Learn how to respectfully reply to a post next time, because I really dislike people that feel the need to put in a snide remark when its really unnecessary.